Just some general advice…., the need to rush is all in your mind. I get the need for efficiency in Master, but for general runs, don’t wipe your encounters because you wanna move at turbo. It’s Calus’ mind we’re pulling apart, not our own.
Many players won't be driving into this paywalled dungeon. And while I know it's possible to solo this, dungeons in general should allow for matchmaking.
You’re right. I’m wiping in the first boss as I try to solo cuz I really push the clock. If it takes me extra damage phases, I should just do it and be patient. It’s regularly a 2-3 phase with a full LFG team. I shouldn’t be frustrated if I take longer. Thank you, guardian.
@@VergilPeterson yea I haven't played in a long time. Used to be a die hard player but I fell too behind. But I feel you man. People used complain about raids not having match making as well. Would have been a shit show.
I think we messed up, BIG TIME! We went into Calus's mind and killed off all of his greatest fears. He's now fearless, untethered, emboldened. Think of how meditation works, we freed his mind of fear, doubt and regret.
I am of the opinion that, like with a Persona 5 Palace, what we did in Duality has had some sort effect on Calus’s psyche. Whatever that effect is, we have yet to see.
Don’t forget about the magical gravity field of the dungeon that instant kills you by sending you into a wall or floor at Mach 12 for looking in the general direction of an enemy
@@colinwilliams3459 a lot of people have failed solo flawless master or just died in master because of some weird phisics thing that is just sending people into walls and killing them. especially in the first encounter
@@fifthcamel8109 I did my solo flawless earlier this week and had no problems getting physiced. Although I had my fair share of bugs I didn’t get sent into walls
I think my favorite part of the lore of this dungeon is that we learned more objectively about the Midnight Coup. The revelation that I commented on in a previous video, that the decision to exile Calus wasn’t made by Ghaul, but Caiatl, makes the relationship between her and Calus even more fascinating. It raises more questions about her: did she do it out of a faint sense of compassion for her father despite everything, or did she do it because she wanted him to suffer more than he would have if he’d been executed by Ghaul? I think when it’s time for Caiatl’s nightmare, we should consider the following: maybe Caiatl’s obsession with bringing down her father comes from a deep place of guilt, because if she had just let Ghaul kill him, none of this would have happened. This could be a weakness for Ghaul’s nightmare to exploit, especially if the two had the relationship recent lore suggests, Caiatl being inspired by his warrior mentality and possibility being a kind of student to him.
Hadn't thought about the first part which is actually a fascinating point. Did Caiatl act with compassion or spite? What made her turn her back on her father!? I've been thinking the reason she wants to avoid her own Nightmare is because she had a loving relationship with Ghaul & essentially everything that happened led him to lose his mind & life in the chase of absolute power (The same as her Father!)
@@pirate_duck4985 Actually, now that you mention it… Ghaul was obsessed with the Light, while Calus became obsessed with the Darkness. It’s like poetry.
@@patrickprimeaux711 Seems that way! Makes sense when you think about it... She's a princess her Daddy is in charge & Ghaul is her Daddies champion, his Dominous highest ranking elite type.
Before this season I was always neutral towards calus. I used to be drawn to his eccentric nature, but I see he is even more insane than I thought he was.
I enjoy how Calus doesn't have a nightmare of Ghaul within his own mind during the vault encounter, basically proving he thinks so little of Ghaul that he won't even include him as a major part of the coup. Also they brought back Ghaul's VA and I could not be happier to have heard Ghaul's voice for the first time in the dungeon, was so surreal remembering him kicking me off the side of a ship. Edit: the more u see Calus's story, the more similar it is to Rhulk, Eramis, and the Hive gods. All had grand ambitions for a better future, all were betrayed by those they considered closest to them, all were found by the Witness at their lowest point, and both returned to destroy their homes in revenge, and pave a new path to the future of the Darkness. (Calus did not directly destroy Torobatl, but no doubt he had a hand in it at some level, possibly coordinating with Xivu Arath or giving her some aid that led to her being able to infect the mind of Umun Arath. Now, however, he is actively destroying the remaining Cabal, turning them into pawns for the witness, even now hundreds of cabal are defecting to Calus, and Caital's weak leadership skills cannot stop the flood.)
@@MagatsuDiarahan We'll probably get more Ghaul lore when Caital's nightmare week comes around, just like we are getting more lore for Zavala's Wife now that Crow's nightmare has been tamed.
@@Sorcha_Sol We've already faced him in the pyramid on the moon, and at this point we have decimated the Red Legion to the point that I think in the lore tab its referenced that a lot of the Red Legion have just given up and fled, while those that remain do so while being hunted by guardians for sport because they have no way back home. We've basically turned the Red Legion into a mockery for new lights to go around and test their skills on. It's why Calus's cloning op is nonstop now, pushing out loyalist clones, because he knows what we are truly capable of. It's also why the Red Legion in Caital's army defect so easily, because having the ones that go around slaughtering them now commanding them is insulting on several levels.
I imagine that the Witness reveals the greatest desires of whom it communes with to weaken them so they can "grasp" their minds. Calus was shown a future where he is "the last". Through this, he succumbed to the Witness. Mara was also shown "an end", but instead of accepting it, she manages to wrought herself out (perhaps due to her familarity with the paracausal).
I actually dont think i agree with this. I think the Witness really does just want to live in between the light and dark like calus said, in freedom, not bound to the paracausal forces of reality. There was a quote from the Winnower saying something along the lines of "Those who prefer no existence to a flawed one bore me." Directly calling out the Witness. Also meaning the "space between the threads of light and dark" might just be death or some other form of nonexistence
@@NorthernHarker the winnower could referring to nihilism. And going off the collective obligation lore tab that isn’t true as it shows Rulk following the sword logic perfectly. Rulk and the witnesses also made the hive take darkness instead of light
This lines up eerily well with Clovis' delusions of being the LUCA of human thought. I can see one of the next couple seasons being centered around him becoming a disciple. That could pretty easily tie in to the loose thread of Ana and Rasputin, and give Elsie something to do.
@@tobiebrown3756 well he was influenced directly by the witness to make exos and how being the last, strongest thing would appeal to his arrogance so that makes sense however I don’t really see him fitting in with the disciples without him becoming a lot more extreme in in his beliefs
I have A theory sort of about the dungeon. In the Vow raid lore its shown that Rhulk was shown parts of his past by the witness as part of his conversion to a disciple. I'd like to think this dungeon is us getting a direct peek at the same
Remember how the D1 lore for Hive Swords mention the blade remembers it’s kills? I don’t think that’s just poetry/symbolism anymore, I think that has a literal meaning for not just those swords…but the Sword Logic, The Witness, and Darkness generally. Whatever is slain by them, remains as memory, as memento of what was survived and/or conquered.
Ohhh you mean the voice lines of Calus are his reactions in the moment the past events are shown to him by the witness. That is a really good theory. I like it.
The lore about hive swords was never just poetry. From the moment you fight Crota, you realize this. The only way to break the shield of Crota was to damage it with something of equal strength. Something like the power of swords that have slain millions. Power that passes through at the moment of kill, at the moment of death. It isn't any sword we use. It's the blade of an ascendant knight, some of the strongest amongst the hive, the longest lived, the greatest champions the hive have seen. Only their blades have soaked up enough literal power to cut down Crota. Those same blades that literally fed Crota power (sword logic) have fed him death. And that's on Hive magic. On the power of the Darkness.
It's interesting just how much the Egregore and Siva have in common when you think about it. And when also knowing that Clovis Bray made many of his inventions after contact with various form of darkness, it's not really much of a stretch to say that Siva could be a synthetic version of the Egregore
@@CoolAndrew89 Well it's man made. The exos for instance were made after Clovis encountered the darkness, and likely designed them after the Vex. It's just my personal theory
@@absolutionveil8632 "Basically Clovis Bray created Exos but they kept breaking down (massive understatement) because the randomness the human mind needs was not present in the Exo form. He came into contact with the Darkness which he terms Clarity Control, he then came into contact with the Vex and realised the Radiolaria (Vex mind fluid / Vex milk) had certain properties that when exposed to Clarity Control created the required randomness that would allow the human mind not go insane inside the perfect Exo form. Essentially he introduced randomness using the Darkness exposed Vex fluid and this made the Exos stable. This is how all the Exos that are in the Destiny lore are created except Ada-1." A comment from some reddit threat talking about the Exo's connection to Darkness and the Vex
Hi! Very small criticism, but the volume of the audio seems very very quiet even at max in my earbuds. Just wanted to bring that to your attention if you could please increase the audio volume for future videos. Thanks Byf! Love your content
Came here to say this myself. Glad it's not just my ear buds. I want to support the channel and usually let ads just play out... but the volume difference is deafeningly noticeable there!
Just a technical note: the audio for the dungeon/Calus' memories is much quieter than the VO and commentary, to the point where I almost can't hear it. The volume I have to listen in order to hear Calus makes Byf very loud.
Calling it now, us killing Calus' nightmares allows him to shed his corporeal flesh and ascend into full Disciple-dom. He's gonna pull some 6 dimensional chess move on us, "I wanted you to complete the dungeon all along!" Edit 2 months later: I'm not saying I called it, but I feel like I was pretty close
I'm not sure about that. He was actually begging us to not open the Vault in his mind that contained the Nightmare of Caiatl, so he probably didn't want us snooping around in his mindscape. But then again, it's weird how a statue of Calus in the old Tribute Hall just happened to still be connected to Calus's mind.
@@elitegamer9310 calus talks about how egregore has made it so the whole leviathan is basically his body now. But he has an affinity of talking through calus automatons still. So maybe his own personal connection/view of himself lets those statues be easy points of contact where his presence is seen more.
Thank you Master Byf. For all your hard work and amazing work. The love is obvious and it is such a privilege to be a Guardian during the time when Byf is. You (and your crew) ROCK!!!
There is a pattern im starting to notice and maybe this is just me, but hey here are my thoughts. Every Disciple of the Witness, represents a survivor of their own species or faction or being abandoned by their own species, with Rhulk being the last of their own kind on Lubrae having destroyed it, Calus being betrayed of his consul in the Midnight Coup, and potentially Eramis due to here lost faith in the light. It would seem that the Witness values those who follow the ideals of the Darkness. But I could be totally wrong, and I thought it felt worth mentioning. And as to why the Witness would give guardians a Pyrimid Ship, I don't know. Hope my thoughts are Coherent enough!
Wow, you're actually right. And I think it makes it.more tragic that the three examples wanted what was best for their respected species. So it made it that much easier for the Witness to manipulate them.
I can’t be the only person who thinks calus’ desire to leave his failing body sounds eerily familiar. I don’t think its a stretch to say that the pyramid wasn’t the only thing his loyalists were investigating on Europa.
I’m also reminded of the old lore entry for Hive Cleavers, where the swords would remember those slain on their edge Perhaps that concept is why the Darkness/Sword Logic is tied to memory. To remember what one has survived and conquered. It makes me wonder if Psions and the Mindscape are tied to Deepsight in some way…among many other things in Destiny we’ve seen so far. We’ve seen that Nightmares are fear, trauma, and regret made real using the powers of Darkness. When we use Deepsight, we manifest platforms, sensations, or even items from memory. (Likely this works because it’s Savathûn’s Throne World, and is shaped by her mind. So perhaps it has memory.) Is it possible that Mindscapes and the dungeon are pseudo-throne worlds of sorts? Born from the thoughts, memories, and personality interacting with the Ascendant Plane for a time? We also are able access Exo Trials on Europa which seem very similar to Mindscapes, same with the Vex Domains. I wonder if they act on similar principles to Deepsight.
If you pull out your ghost during the crypt areas the little text is basically calus expressing regret for tampering with bodies and creating the bathers. Really fun details throughout the dungeon
Calus is literally my most loved character in the whole Destiny saga. His dialogue is some of the best lines this game has to offer. Being excited for this season, is an understatement
I love juxtaposition of a kind of "out there" premise mixed with exactly the same kind of gameplay. Eris: We're invading calus's mind Guardian: Cool, how are we doing that Eris: You're gonna go into a place and shoot some enemies and you might need to stand near something or pick something up and move it Guardian: I have been preparing for this my entire life It's like how in the sonic universe every problem conveniently requires super speed to solve
Another interesting note earlier in the dungeon when we hear Ghaul and Calus talking, it appears that the truth behind the coup was not because the crowd would revolt, but because Ghaul stayed his hand by Caiatl’s request.
Watching this while sick, waiting till I'm able to take another dose of medicine. Your voice and videos do wonders for the soul, like a night's gentle rain on a tin roof. Thank you for what you do
Just that this palace is a big ass ship. Seriously, it's a testament to everything the Cabal Empire hates. A waste of resources, inefficient, impractical, and most of all, opulent.
Despite this lore, I still find it hard to believe that Calus is a Disciple. I find it more likely that the Witness is using him to lay out breadcrumbs for us. In other words, I think the Witness is interested in making us a Disciple more so than anyone else. I think it wants us to use what we learn hear to become one, because it knows that we think we might be able to use those powers against it. But of course, it’s a trap.
Based off of the Unveiling book, it actually makes sense for the Witness to want the end of both Light and Dark. According to the book, the Darkness as a paracausal force was only created by the Winnower as a response to the Gardener creating the Light. Assuming the Winnower and the Witness are the same, or at least that their goals are aligned, it makes sense that the Witness would want to exterminate all paracausality from the universe to allow The Final Shape to take form uninterrupted
Hey, just some feedback. The sections that have voice lines from the game only are extremely quiet. If possible I think it would be great if the in game voices could have the same volume as your voice over
You know...I didn't think about grinding Phantasmal Fragments for Moon weapons until seeing how many Byf was collecting in the video. Should probably check up on that
The leviathan guns are part of the public space on the leviathan right now. You can get opulent keys that open opulent chests. Plus they are craftable if you finish the deepsite on 5 of them.
Byf one thing I didn't get about the 10th memory was when Calus said the Witness desires "freedom from the greater design". Doesn't that go against the Winnower wanting to stick to the pattern in the Unveiling lore book?
Yes. The witness is not the winnower probably. The witness wears the darkness like a cloak they aren't the darkness itself. It stands to reason that they don't necessarily have the darkness' best interest in mind.
Didn’t Savathûn say something similar about standing between the lines of light and dark and looking up to see the being that has been watching us? I think it was when she was in her chrysalis during week 2.
If you open your ghost during encounters you can find out some very interesting things. For example, in the crypt Calus says he took DNA from the dead to make his clones
What really struck me was one of the last lines of Calus. How he talked about how the OTHERS have before him. So besides Rhulk there ARE other Disciples.
Hey man, really great video. I'm not confident enough with hopping into a dungeon yet, so I'm glad to get the lore behind it. Also, thanks for supporting St. Jude's. I regret that I missed the live stream, but thank you very much for doing this on their behalf.
Considering that nightmares tend to be characters who are already dead, I do also wonder if the dungeon points to Calus attempting to clone Caiatl. 'Calus' Greatest Shame' could partially refer to reaching a point of madness of trying to restart his relationship with his daughter from the beginning. Given what we know about the clones though, I think the Caiatl we've seen in game would probably still be the original. I think I recall reading that the military clones weren't particularly intelligent.
That bit about Calus 'ascending' is truly terrifying. It sounds like he now seeks to become as the Ascendant Hive are, to cull himself and become more through doing so. If this happens, he will undoubtedly spread the ability through his loyalists onboard the Leviathan, and we could have another Hive-level threat to deal with. More than that though, it shows that the Witness is willing to create new servants as they did with the Hive, and as Calus said, "the others have already changed," which implies the Hive were not the only ones given this paracausal power by the Witness.
Calus describing the witness' plan for the universe as "a closing of the circle" really lends itself to the idea that the destiny universe is (according to the witness) just a big battle royale. Calus reserving the right to be the last clearly shows that he wants the victory royale
I think calus is my favorite destiny villan. There's something about his boss battle when he claps that just resonates with me. All the other raid bosses are all big man grunts
The light bearers have their saying about devotion bravery and sacrifice. But I imagine the darkness equivalent going along the lines of struggle betrayal and revenge
interested to see where Caitl's story goes this season with Ghaul as her nightmare, its got me perplexed coz I probably don't know as much about their relationship as I initially had thought
Wasn't Rhulk the last of his kind? Maybe this is part of how The Witness makes disciples. Members of species that The Witness wiped out, that helped him do it, rather than resisting The Witness's plan. And now Calus is next in line to become a disciple, to be "The Last" of the Cabal.
I don't think it'd so clear cut calus is entirely devoted to the witness. I think he still has room for even a little bit of redemption. For as much stuff about his devotion their is their is still alot about him regretting all this and his love for his daughter. I interpret his deepest shame not being how his daughter rebeled and defys him but all he did to her and how she hates him, and how he hasn't made peace with her.
This season and the unsactioned dive into the nightmares of calus kinda lead me to believe that like the strangers timeline, eris morn nay still become the witch queen. Us stopping erimis not being enough to fully divert from the path of her timeline
Its funny because when the dungeon came it. It took me an hour to find out that Hawthorn was the person you go to get the dungeon open to you. ITS BEEN YEARS SINCE SHES DONE SOMETHING BESIDES BOUNTIES AND BANNERS
I think with the speculation of the witnesses goal possibly being to destroy not just light, but dark as well, that simply be referring to the possibility that without light, darkness may cease to exist. Without light there can be no shadow. At least that's my personal theory.
This isn't the first time we heard of something between the gap. Remember savathun's iconic line, "The line between light and dark is so very thin. If you wish to know what has been watching you since the start. Stand on that line, and look up." Whatever lies between light and dark is our fate.
So I just had an outlandish theory. What if it wasn't Calus who actually ordered Milo to be killed? That would change everything about who Calus was and making Caiatl as much of a victim as Calus was. Remember most of Calus's truly insidious actions came after the Midnight Coop and his encounter with the Darkness, what if he truly was just a Cabal leader who valued peace and was overthrown by those who value the status quo? Much like how Rhulk went from freedom fighter to conquer after his encounter with the Witness.
Just wanted to draw attention to one of the first lore quotes: ..."If violence carved us into the SHAPE of what we are now, then so shall violence be that SHAPE'S undoing" (emphasis mine).
There is even More Lore in the Duality dungeon weapons that explains his relationship with Caiatl, Caiatl's war beast and the time when Ghaul was training The empress
At 38:30 Calus says that "I the herald." To me that seems like bungie's way of emphasizing/differentiating him from Rhulk. I personally have associated the title of "disciple" to Rhulk and I'm predicting Calus will be known as Herald of the Witness (or something close) at some point. It would probably be confusing years down the line if every servant of the Witness was named a "disciple" right? And Calus doesn't really seem like he'd fight personally for the Witness like other servants. But he would spread the word, like a herald for the end would do. Which could have to do with the egregore spores and the ability to link minds with them. They have been getting a lot of attention this season after all.
Does anyone else feel that Calus view of the Witness plan casts an odd light on the story of the winnower and the gardener? In that tale it feels like 'the darkness' is refering to itself as the winnower. And until now I think alot of us assumed that and that 'the darkness' is obviously now the Witness. But the winnower of the tale was a follower of the rules, it adored the pattern of the flower game, wanted to maintain it and it's perfect pattern. If Calus is right and the Witness wants to break the tapestry of light and dark then surely he is breaking the pattern which would contradict that perfect final shape? So whose lying? Has Calus been lied to and the witness is telling him it wants freedom but is really just pulling is all back into the flower game? Has Calus just misunderstood the Witness intention? Or Is the witness lying to us and its disciples and is not the winnower but actually wants to punish both the light and darkness by simple ending the game entirely? Crack pot theory and probably won't happen but I've always believed the guardians destiny is to merge light and dark and bring about a new pattern different to the winnowers perfect pattern and the lights chaotic creations. So what if this entire time we've believed the Witness was the avatar of darkness and bringing out the winnowers perfect pattern, it's "final shape" but what if it is actually a fourth power, neither winnower or gardener but instead he just wants to break the game entirely and end existence itself?
Don't remember who said it but the witness isn't the darkness but they wear it like a cloak so it's likely they are just a very powerful wielder of the darkness I don't think the darkness itself is inherently evil.
Brutus (manipulated by Cassius) becomes the main conspirator to take down Julius Caesar. Julius was a conqueror but also very generous and that was viewed as dangerous. The conspirators took their chance while they had it. This is Calus.
Also (haven’t watched this yet so don’t know if byf covered this) but the symbols themselves during the dungeon I believe represent the murder of caitials dog as well. Those four symbols being Beast, Sun, Axe, and Chalice. These could be broken down into Chalice (Calus’ mark) used an axe in broad daylight (sun) to kill Caitials dog (Beast)
The axe might be about when Ghaul would have executed Calus until Caital intervened. You're probably right about the dog and chalice. The sun could either be something about the loss of their home world or maybe even Caital herself since he named her after their brightest star.
Endgame: Time Heist Heist Movies: Money Heist Duality: Mind Heist When are we getting an Eververse Heist where we can get some previously limited time ornaments or annual seasonal gear? Actually why does that sound good? Raid boss is Fen Church using Silver discs.
Hey BYF, are the spores in the Pleasure Gardens raid (Back when the dogs were there) the same as Egrogore spores in the Glykon and the Haunted Leviathan, just a mutated infused new Purified Egregore?
Not trying to be complainypants: just wanted to point out that your voice is much louder than the in game speech in most videos. I love your content. Thank you
Hey so while watching this and thinking about the words used i got the sense of something that could be unique. I thought about how The Nine are described and how they are constantly said to be in the "In-between" of things plus in the pyramid ships there's all sorts of horses around where Rhalk shouldn't know of what a horse is but The Nine have the astral horse so could it be possible that The Witness has meet The Nine or is working for them in some way?
This dungeon is called Duality, yet I haven’t seen the exotic shotgun once. I think we’ve been bamboozled
Indeed
I should give that sucker a try again, that'd be fun to pair with that new Ophidian Grasp ornament.
No
Just run the dungeon for 72 more hours and you might get the perks you want.
On my first run, when I get access to the dungeon, I want to use the Duality, while I'm doing Duality
Just some general advice…., the need to rush is all in your mind. I get the need for efficiency in Master, but for general runs, don’t wipe your encounters because you wanna move at turbo. It’s Calus’ mind we’re pulling apart, not our own.
Many players won't be driving into this paywalled dungeon. And while I know it's possible to solo this, dungeons in general should allow for matchmaking.
@@ThaGodLegacyHD I disagree. I don’t want to be matched with a bunch of shitters trying it for the first time. Lfg is not hard to use
You’re right. I’m wiping in the first boss as I try to solo cuz I really push the clock. If it takes me extra damage phases, I should just do it and be patient. It’s regularly a 2-3 phase with a full LFG team. I shouldn’t be frustrated if I take longer. Thank you, guardian.
@@ThaGodLegacyHD How dare bungie make us pay for the game >:(
@@VergilPeterson yea I haven't played in a long time. Used to be a die hard player but I fell too behind. But I feel you man. People used complain about raids not having match making as well. Would have been a shit show.
I think we messed up, BIG TIME! We went into Calus's mind and killed off all of his greatest fears. He's now fearless, untethered, emboldened. Think of how meditation works, we freed his mind of fear, doubt and regret.
This is a great thought
These are memories the witness did all this already, and we're just walking his path through his calus' mind
I am of the opinion that, like with a Persona 5 Palace, what we did in Duality has had some sort effect on Calus’s psyche. Whatever that effect is, we have yet to see.
You make good point.
He killed his daughters dog i now understand why she wants him dead that’s some unforgivable shit right there
Don’t forget about the magical gravity field of the dungeon that instant kills you by sending you into a wall or floor at Mach 12 for looking in the general direction of an enemy
What
@@colinwilliams3459 a lot of people have failed solo flawless master or just died in master because of some weird phisics thing that is just sending people into walls and killing them. especially in the first encounter
@@fifthcamel8109 Friction just seems to be bugged in the area. Been getting thrown around in my second legendary campaign by cabal a lot.
Titans are specifically good at finding these strange gravity traps
@@fifthcamel8109 I did my solo flawless earlier this week and had no problems getting physiced. Although I had my fair share of bugs I didn’t get sent into walls
I think my favorite part of the lore of this dungeon is that we learned more objectively about the Midnight Coup. The revelation that I commented on in a previous video, that the decision to exile Calus wasn’t made by Ghaul, but Caiatl, makes the relationship between her and Calus even more fascinating. It raises more questions about her: did she do it out of a faint sense of compassion for her father despite everything, or did she do it because she wanted him to suffer more than he would have if he’d been executed by Ghaul?
I think when it’s time for Caiatl’s nightmare, we should consider the following: maybe Caiatl’s obsession with bringing down her father comes from a deep place of guilt, because if she had just let Ghaul kill him, none of this would have happened. This could be a weakness for Ghaul’s nightmare to exploit, especially if the two had the relationship recent lore suggests, Caiatl being inspired by his warrior mentality and possibility being a kind of student to him.
Hadn't thought about the first part which is actually a fascinating point. Did Caiatl act with compassion or spite? What made her turn her back on her father!?
I've been thinking the reason she wants to avoid her own Nightmare is because she had a loving relationship with Ghaul & essentially everything that happened led him to lose his mind & life in the chase of absolute power (The same as her Father!)
@@pirate_duck4985 Actually, now that you mention it… Ghaul was obsessed with the Light, while Calus became obsessed with the Darkness. It’s like poetry.
@@pirate_duck4985 What made her turn her back on her father, was when he killed her dog. That was the moment she went against him.
Ghaul and caitl were fuckin?... that sure is news to me
@@patrickprimeaux711 Seems that way! Makes sense when you think about it... She's a princess her Daddy is in charge & Ghaul is her Daddies champion, his Dominous highest ranking elite type.
Before this season I was always neutral towards calus. I used to be drawn to his eccentric nature, but I see he is even more insane than I thought he was.
Unfortunately it doesn’t matter
Same
>me meeting Calus the next time and pretending to accept him
>"I was wrong about you. You're not crazy. You're batshit insane!"
@@ford427v8 that's amazing
i liked him until I saw byf's video about Calus killing Caiatl's dog. Now I hate him more than any other character.
I enjoy how Calus doesn't have a nightmare of Ghaul within his own mind during the vault encounter, basically proving he thinks so little of Ghaul that he won't even include him as a major part of the coup. Also they brought back Ghaul's VA and I could not be happier to have heard Ghaul's voice for the first time in the dungeon, was so surreal remembering him kicking me off the side of a ship.
Edit: the more u see Calus's story, the more similar it is to Rhulk, Eramis, and the Hive gods. All had grand ambitions for a better future, all were betrayed by those they considered closest to them, all were found by the Witness at their lowest point, and both returned to destroy their homes in revenge, and pave a new path to the future of the Darkness. (Calus did not directly destroy Torobatl, but no doubt he had a hand in it at some level, possibly coordinating with Xivu Arath or giving her some aid that led to her being able to infect the mind of Umun Arath. Now, however, he is actively destroying the remaining Cabal, turning them into pawns for the witness, even now hundreds of cabal are defecting to Calus, and Caital's weak leadership skills cannot stop the flood.)
Right? I felt the same hearing Ghaul's VA back. It reminds me of vanilla D2 and how much I wish Ghaul had been fleshed out more.
@@MagatsuDiarahan We'll probably get more Ghaul lore when Caital's nightmare week comes around, just like we are getting more lore for Zavala's Wife now that Crow's nightmare has been tamed.
@@danconti5984 what I wonder is would be how is caital gonna turn ghaul's nightmare into a memory and how will everyone react to seeing him
@@Sorcha_Sol We've already faced him in the pyramid on the moon, and at this point we have decimated the Red Legion to the point that I think in the lore tab its referenced that a lot of the Red Legion have just given up and fled, while those that remain do so while being hunted by guardians for sport because they have no way back home.
We've basically turned the Red Legion into a mockery for new lights to go around and test their skills on. It's why Calus's cloning op is nonstop now, pushing out loyalist clones, because he knows what we are truly capable of. It's also why the Red Legion in Caital's army defect so easily, because having the ones that go around slaughtering them now commanding them is insulting on several levels.
Eramis too. The witness has a type.
I imagine that the Witness reveals the greatest desires of whom it communes with to weaken them so they can "grasp" their minds. Calus was shown a future where he is "the last". Through this, he succumbed to the Witness. Mara was also shown "an end", but instead of accepting it, she manages to wrought herself out (perhaps due to her familarity with the paracausal).
I actually dont think i agree with this. I think the Witness really does just want to live in between the light and dark like calus said, in freedom, not bound to the paracausal forces of reality. There was a quote from the Winnower saying something along the lines of "Those who prefer no existence to a flawed one bore me." Directly calling out the Witness. Also meaning the "space between the threads of light and dark" might just be death or some other form of nonexistence
@@NorthernHarker the winnower could referring to nihilism. And going off the collective obligation lore tab that isn’t true as it shows Rulk following the sword logic perfectly. Rulk and the witnesses also made the hive take darkness instead of light
This lines up eerily well with Clovis' delusions of being the LUCA of human thought. I can see one of the next couple seasons being centered around him becoming a disciple. That could pretty easily tie in to the loose thread of Ana and Rasputin, and give Elsie something to do.
@@tobiebrown3756 well he was influenced directly by the witness to make exos and how being the last, strongest thing would appeal to his arrogance so that makes sense however I don’t really see him fitting in with the disciples without him becoming a lot more extreme in in his beliefs
@@tobiebrown3756 siva?
I have
A theory sort of about the dungeon.
In the Vow raid lore its shown that Rhulk was shown parts of his past by the witness as part of his conversion to a disciple.
I'd like to think this dungeon is us getting a direct peek at the same
Remember how the D1 lore for Hive Swords mention the blade remembers it’s kills?
I don’t think that’s just poetry/symbolism anymore, I think that has a literal meaning for not just those swords…but the Sword Logic, The Witness, and Darkness generally.
Whatever is slain by them, remains as memory, as memento of what was survived and/or conquered.
@@DeusExAngelo That also makes sense as the recent lore about the link between the Darkness and memory was revealed this last two seasons.
Ohhh you mean the voice lines of Calus are his reactions in the moment the past events are shown to him by the witness. That is a really good theory. I like it.
The lore about hive swords was never just poetry. From the moment you fight Crota, you realize this. The only way to break the shield of Crota was to damage it with something of equal strength. Something like the power of swords that have slain millions. Power that passes through at the moment of kill, at the moment of death. It isn't any sword we use. It's the blade of an ascendant knight, some of the strongest amongst the hive, the longest lived, the greatest champions the hive have seen. Only their blades have soaked up enough literal power to cut down Crota. Those same blades that literally fed Crota power (sword logic) have fed him death.
And that's on Hive magic. On the power of the Darkness.
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It's interesting just how much the Egregore and Siva have in common when you think about it. And when also knowing that Clovis Bray made many of his inventions after contact with various form of darkness, it's not really much of a stretch to say that Siva could be a synthetic version of the Egregore
So SIVA is darkness as well?
Siva subclass when?????!!!1???
@@CoolAndrew89 Well it's man made. The exos for instance were made after Clovis encountered the darkness, and likely designed them after the Vex. It's just my personal theory
@@absolutionveil8632 "Basically Clovis Bray created Exos but they kept breaking down (massive understatement) because the randomness the human mind needs was not present in the Exo form.
He came into contact with the Darkness which he terms Clarity Control, he then came into contact with the Vex and realised the Radiolaria (Vex mind fluid / Vex milk) had certain properties that when exposed to Clarity Control created the required randomness that would allow the human mind not go insane inside the perfect Exo form. Essentially he introduced randomness using the Darkness exposed Vex fluid and this made the Exos stable.
This is how all the Exos that are in the Destiny lore are created except Ada-1."
A comment from some reddit threat talking about the Exo's connection to Darkness and the Vex
Gather around Guardians! Lore master Byf brings more tales of the paraverse!
Hi! Very small criticism, but the volume of the audio seems very very quiet even at max in my earbuds. Just wanted to bring that to your attention if you could please increase the audio volume for future videos. Thanks Byf! Love your content
i have that issue and i often cant hear the voice audio over the sound of gunfire as well
Yessssss
I've commented this a couple of times in the last few months... for some reason all the videos have really low audio!
Came here to say this myself. Glad it's not just my ear buds. I want to support the channel and usually let ads just play out... but the volume difference is deafeningly noticeable there!
Read the subtitles?
Just a technical note: the audio for the dungeon/Calus' memories is much quieter than the VO and commentary, to the point where I almost can't hear it. The volume I have to listen in order to hear Calus makes Byf very loud.
Calling it now, us killing Calus' nightmares allows him to shed his corporeal flesh and ascend into full Disciple-dom. He's gonna pull some 6 dimensional chess move on us, "I wanted you to complete the dungeon all along!"
Edit 2 months later: I'm not saying I called it, but I feel like I was pretty close
I'm not sure about that. He was actually begging us to not open the Vault in his mind that contained the Nightmare of Caiatl, so he probably didn't want us snooping around in his mindscape. But then again, it's weird how a statue of Calus in the old Tribute Hall just happened to still be connected to Calus's mind.
@@elitegamer9310 calus talks about how egregore has made it so the whole leviathan is basically his body now. But he has an affinity of talking through calus automatons still. So maybe his own personal connection/view of himself lets those statues be easy points of contact where his presence is seen more.
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My first reaction walking through the beginning of the dungeon was like "look how they massacured my tribute hall, such a shame of materials"
There is a pattern im starting to notice and maybe this is just me, but hey here are my thoughts. Every Disciple of the Witness, represents a survivor of their own species or faction or being abandoned by their own species, with Rhulk being the last of their own kind on Lubrae having destroyed it, Calus being betrayed of his consul in the Midnight Coup, and potentially Eramis due to here lost faith in the light. It would seem that the Witness values those who follow the ideals of the Darkness. But I could be totally wrong, and I thought it felt worth mentioning. And as to why the Witness would give guardians a Pyrimid Ship, I don't know. Hope my thoughts are Coherent enough!
Wow, you're actually right. And I think it makes it.more tragic that the three examples wanted what was best for their respected species. So it made it that much easier for the Witness to manipulate them.
It's probably not intention but it's always funny when Byf is like "Take a look at this" and then an ad pops in lmao
I can’t be the only person who thinks calus’ desire to leave his failing body sounds eerily familiar. I don’t think its a stretch to say that the pyramid wasn’t the only thing his loyalists were investigating on Europa.
Didn't one cabal In season 13 already tried that tho but couldn't find the crypt
@@Sorcha_Sol that is true, but that doesn't mean they won't keep looking
Yea but what would they find first
Clovis or the deep stone crypt
Don't forget that the crypt is basically defenseless due to us body slamming the space station ontop of it.
I’m also reminded of the old lore entry for Hive Cleavers, where the swords would remember those slain on their edge Perhaps that concept is why the Darkness/Sword Logic is tied to memory. To remember what one has survived and conquered.
It makes me wonder if Psions and the Mindscape are tied to Deepsight in some way…among many other things in Destiny we’ve seen so far.
We’ve seen that Nightmares are fear, trauma, and regret made real using the powers of Darkness. When we use Deepsight, we manifest platforms, sensations, or even items from memory. (Likely this works because it’s Savathûn’s Throne World, and is shaped by her mind. So perhaps it has memory.)
Is it possible that Mindscapes and the dungeon are pseudo-throne worlds of sorts? Born from the thoughts, memories, and personality interacting with the Ascendant Plane for a time?
We also are able access Exo Trials on Europa which seem very similar to Mindscapes, same with the Vex Domains. I wonder if they act on similar principles to Deepsight.
If you pull out your ghost during the crypt areas the little text is basically calus expressing regret for tampering with bodies and creating the bathers. Really fun details throughout the dungeon
Calus is literally my most loved character in the whole Destiny saga. His dialogue is some of the best lines this game has to offer. Being excited for this season, is an understatement
Poor Calis had some good intentions at heart during the start, but like all things, it all withers away.....
I love juxtaposition of a kind of "out there" premise mixed with exactly the same kind of gameplay.
Eris: We're invading calus's mind
Guardian: Cool, how are we doing that
Eris: You're gonna go into a place and shoot some enemies and you might need to stand near something or pick something up and move it
Guardian: I have been preparing for this my entire life
It's like how in the sonic universe every problem conveniently requires super speed to solve
First the moon was haunted, now Calus’s mind is haunted
Another interesting note earlier in the dungeon when we hear Ghaul and Calus talking, it appears that the truth behind the coup was not because the crowd would revolt, but because Ghaul stayed his hand by Caiatl’s request.
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I said it before on other comment sections about Duality, and I will say it again here: this is practically a Persona 5-style Palace infiltration.
Just that this palace is a big ass ship.
Seriously, it's a testament to everything the Cabal Empire hates. A waste of resources, inefficient, impractical, and most of all, opulent.
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Despite this lore, I still find it hard to believe that Calus is a Disciple. I find it more likely that the Witness is using him to lay out breadcrumbs for us. In other words, I think the Witness is interested in making us a Disciple more so than anyone else. I think it wants us to use what we learn hear to become one, because it knows that we think we might be able to use those powers against it. But of course, it’s a trap.
This is a super cool haunted version of Inception. I love it
Let's go!!! It is always worth the wait, so don't worry about it if you have to take some more time on these!
Based off of the Unveiling book, it actually makes sense for the Witness to want the end of both Light and Dark. According to the book, the Darkness as a paracausal force was only created by the Winnower as a response to the Gardener creating the Light. Assuming the Winnower and the Witness are the same, or at least that their goals are aligned, it makes sense that the Witness would want to exterminate all paracausality from the universe to allow The Final Shape to take form uninterrupted
Hey, just some feedback. The sections that have voice lines from the game only are extremely quiet. If possible I think it would be great if the in game voices could have the same volume as your voice over
This needs more likes. I was listening in another room, and it just sounded like awkward extended pauses every few minutes.
I absolutely love this kind of extended video. It feels as if I were watching some super interesting lecture trying to take notes of everything. 🧐
You know...I didn't think about grinding Phantasmal Fragments for Moon weapons until seeing how many Byf was collecting in the video. Should probably check up on that
Honestly I really hope bunjie put the old leviathan guns back into this dungeon. It would kinda make sense to find them here.
I was hoping they just bring back the raid at some point
The leviathan guns are part of the public space on the leviathan right now. You can get opulent keys that open opulent chests. Plus they are craftable if you finish the deepsite on 5 of them.
@@truthteller880 I think he was talking about the actual leviathan weapons from the raid such as midnight coup and sins of the past
@@truthteller880 yeah I'm on about the y1 leviathan raid guns.
Byf one thing I didn't get about the 10th memory was when Calus said the Witness desires "freedom from the greater design". Doesn't that go against the Winnower wanting to stick to the pattern in the Unveiling lore book?
I think it's more related to the greater design of like bomb logic and the light
Yes. The witness is not the winnower probably. The witness wears the darkness like a cloak they aren't the darkness itself. It stands to reason that they don't necessarily have the darkness' best interest in mind.
He's truly one of the best villains in the series, the hive gods having enough history to match. They picked his name well.
Thanks for the vids byf, been going through some stuff, but your vids help me relax.
*Raiding the mind of calus and finds.....his other fanfics* please help me. I SAW THE JAR!
I have to say, I thoroughly enjoy these lore vids. I managed to catch the GCX Stream and bought a shirt as well.
Didn’t Savathûn say something similar about standing between the lines of light and dark and looking up to see the being that has been watching us? I think it was when she was in her chrysalis during week 2.
If you open your ghost during encounters you can find out some very interesting things. For example, in the crypt Calus says he took DNA from the dead to make his clones
I don't know if it was intentional or not, but this dungeon reminded me heavily about Silent Hill.
What really struck me was one of the last lines of Calus.
How he talked about how the OTHERS have before him. So besides Rhulk there ARE other Disciples.
Hey man, really great video. I'm not confident enough with hopping into a dungeon yet, so I'm glad to get the lore behind it.
Also, thanks for supporting St. Jude's. I regret that I missed the live stream, but thank you very much for doing this on their behalf.
The gaps between light and dark.... reminds me of what Savathun told us. To step on a line between light and dark. And look up.
Considering that nightmares tend to be characters who are already dead, I do also wonder if the dungeon points to Calus attempting to clone Caiatl. 'Calus' Greatest Shame' could partially refer to reaching a point of madness of trying to restart his relationship with his daughter from the beginning. Given what we know about the clones though, I think the Caiatl we've seen in game would probably still be the original. I think I recall reading that the military clones weren't particularly intelligent.
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That bit about Calus 'ascending' is truly terrifying. It sounds like he now seeks to become as the Ascendant Hive are, to cull himself and become more through doing so. If this happens, he will undoubtedly spread the ability through his loyalists onboard the Leviathan, and we could have another Hive-level threat to deal with. More than that though, it shows that the Witness is willing to create new servants as they did with the Hive, and as Calus said, "the others have already changed," which implies the Hive were not the only ones given this paracausal power by the Witness.
Calus describing the witness' plan for the universe as "a closing of the circle" really lends itself to the idea that the destiny universe is (according to the witness) just a big battle royale. Calus reserving the right to be the last clearly shows that he wants the victory royale
I think calus is my favorite destiny villan. There's something about his boss battle when he claps that just resonates with me. All the other raid bosses are all big man grunts
Calus is the best character in the entire game. The leviathan is a work of art.
@@BrainWasherAttendent amen
Been looking forward to this all week, Thanks Byf
I like that destiny now does story stuff with events, people, and places weve met and know about. Not just a random bad guy. For the most part haha.
The light bearers have their saying about devotion bravery and sacrifice. But I imagine the darkness equivalent going along the lines of struggle betrayal and revenge
interested to see where Caitl's story goes this season with Ghaul as her nightmare, its got me perplexed coz I probably don't know as much about their relationship as I initially had thought
Lore daddy never fails to deliver
Wasn't Rhulk the last of his kind? Maybe this is part of how The Witness makes disciples. Members of species that The Witness wiped out, that helped him do it, rather than resisting The Witness's plan. And now Calus is next in line to become a disciple, to be "The Last" of the Cabal.
I don't think it'd so clear cut calus is entirely devoted to the witness. I think he still has room for even a little bit of redemption. For as much stuff about his devotion their is their is still alot about him regretting all this and his love for his daughter. I interpret his deepest shame not being how his daughter rebeled and defys him but all he did to her and how she hates him, and how he hasn't made peace with her.
It also shows that what savathun said in the alter of reflection is true that the witness has the power to move worlds
I hope you mention the Soul Reaver influences in the dungeon!
Hmm... That Nightmare Caital seems to be growing those Witness roots seen in the Vow
The day I collected all of his memories is the day I got the heartshadow❤ I even got the catalyst
I’m gonna love redeeming callus to the light
This season and the unsactioned dive into the nightmares of calus kinda lead me to believe that like the strangers timeline, eris morn nay still become the witch queen. Us stopping erimis not being enough to fully divert from the path of her timeline
Memories are stored in this Cabals.
ahhh glorious glorious midnight routine
Its funny because when the dungeon came it. It took me an hour to find out that Hawthorn was the person you go to get the dungeon open to you. ITS BEEN YEARS SINCE SHES DONE SOMETHING BESIDES BOUNTIES AND BANNERS
I love that the new Darkness power is just the power of Exposition lol 😆 😆😆
26:00 and then he survived and went on to revive his teammates.
Amazing content man im never disappointed when you post
Great video again Byf! I think the sound is bugged for most of the gameplay because is comes in very quiet.
A crazy dungeon with thus one! We were SO CLOSE to defeating that last nightmare! But we lost.
I think with the speculation of the witnesses goal possibly being to destroy not just light, but dark as well, that simply be referring to the possibility that without light, darkness may cease to exist. Without light there can be no shadow. At least that's my personal theory.
I REALLY want the Leviathen weapons back alone as a God just never dropped for me and I'm still bitter!
Calus has quite the Mind Palace
Just realized how sad I am there wasn’t a reprised midnight coup this season
Bro your Videos are always so high quality
Iike damn take as much time as u need and want
Can you do a recap of arrivals through hunt? There a gap in your recap videos and it’s killing me!
This isn't the first time we heard of something between the gap. Remember savathun's iconic line, "The line between light and dark is so very thin. If you wish to know what has been watching you since the start. Stand on that line, and look up."
Whatever lies between light and dark is our fate.
Great work like always my dude
calus really had a villain backstory arc
So I just had an outlandish theory. What if it wasn't Calus who actually ordered Milo to be killed? That would change everything about who Calus was and making Caiatl as much of a victim as Calus was. Remember most of Calus's truly insidious actions came after the Midnight Coop and his encounter with the Darkness, what if he truly was just a Cabal leader who valued peace and was overthrown by those who value the status quo? Much like how Rhulk went from freedom fighter to conquer after his encounter with the Witness.
Actually, this would also fall in line with the Witness’s modus operandi, being to deceive his disciples into becoming such.
Since Bungie stopped bundling dungeons with expansions, I will not be able to see this lore firsthand
Thanks for the summaries
Just wanted to draw attention to one of the first lore quotes: ..."If violence carved us into the SHAPE of what we are now, then so shall violence be that SHAPE'S undoing" (emphasis mine).
There is even More Lore in the Duality dungeon weapons that explains his relationship with Caiatl, Caiatl's war beast and the time when Ghaul was training The empress
Always love the lore vids Byf, just an fyi the game audio in this one seems really quiet compared to your VO.
I'm just excited about Cabal being space seahorses.
My bad connection and the horrendous physics aside, this was a very fun dungeon to solo flawless.
“Take a quick listen to this”
No one: hears something akin to stomach rumbling
At 38:30 Calus says that "I the herald." To me that seems like bungie's way of emphasizing/differentiating him from Rhulk. I personally have associated the title of "disciple" to Rhulk and I'm predicting Calus will be known as Herald of the Witness (or something close) at some point. It would probably be confusing years down the line if every servant of the Witness was named a "disciple" right? And Calus doesn't really seem like he'd fight personally for the Witness like other servants. But he would spread the word, like a herald for the end would do. Which could have to do with the egregore spores and the ability to link minds with them. They have been getting a lot of attention this season after all.
Does anyone else feel that Calus view of the Witness plan casts an odd light on the story of the winnower and the gardener? In that tale it feels like 'the darkness' is refering to itself as the winnower. And until now I think alot of us assumed that and that 'the darkness' is obviously now the Witness. But the winnower of the tale was a follower of the rules, it adored the pattern of the flower game, wanted to maintain it and it's perfect pattern. If Calus is right and the Witness wants to break the tapestry of light and dark then surely he is breaking the pattern which would contradict that perfect final shape? So whose lying? Has Calus been lied to and the witness is telling him it wants freedom but is really just pulling is all back into the flower game? Has Calus just misunderstood the Witness intention? Or Is the witness lying to us and its disciples and is not the winnower but actually wants to punish both the light and darkness by simple ending the game entirely?
Crack pot theory and probably won't happen but I've always believed the guardians destiny is to merge light and dark and bring about a new pattern different to the winnowers perfect pattern and the lights chaotic creations. So what if this entire time we've believed the Witness was the avatar of darkness and bringing out the winnowers perfect pattern, it's "final shape" but what if it is actually a fourth power, neither winnower or gardener but instead he just wants to break the game entirely and end existence itself?
Don't remember who said it but the witness isn't the darkness but they wear it like a cloak so it's likely they are just a very powerful wielder of the darkness I don't think the darkness itself is inherently evil.
Brutus (manipulated by Cassius) becomes the main conspirator to take down Julius Caesar. Julius was a conqueror but also very generous and that was viewed as dangerous. The conspirators took their chance while they had it. This is Calus.
Also (haven’t watched this yet so don’t know if byf covered this) but the symbols themselves during the dungeon I believe represent the murder of caitials dog as well. Those four symbols being Beast, Sun, Axe, and Chalice. These could be broken down into Chalice (Calus’ mark) used an axe in broad daylight (sun) to kill Caitials dog (Beast)
The axe might be about when Ghaul would have executed Calus until Caital intervened. You're probably right about the dog and chalice. The sun could either be something about the loss of their home world or maybe even Caital herself since he named her after their brightest star.
Endgame: Time Heist
Heist Movies: Money Heist
Duality: Mind Heist
When are we getting an Eververse Heist where we can get some previously limited time ornaments or annual seasonal gear? Actually why does that sound good?
Raid boss is Fen Church using Silver discs.
take a listen: "extremely loud gunshots"
Hey BYF, are the spores in the Pleasure Gardens raid (Back when the dogs were there) the same as Egrogore spores in the Glykon and the Haunted Leviathan, just a mutated infused new Purified Egregore?
Outstanding work as always.
Not trying to be complainypants: just wanted to point out that your voice is much louder than the in game speech in most videos. I love your content. Thank you
Hey so while watching this and thinking about the words used i got the sense of something that could be unique. I thought about how The Nine are described and how they are constantly said to be in the "In-between" of things plus in the pyramid ships there's all sorts of horses around where Rhalk shouldn't know of what a horse is but The Nine have the astral horse so could it be possible that The Witness has meet The Nine or is working for them in some way?