🚨Do you have a 2023? You should be able to get a dealer-installed software update to add many of the 2024 updates. You'll want to reach out to your dealer for more information.
@@chaseroo12 Actually I was not aware the 24 can charge better than a 23. With our car, using the app, software updates are offered. None have appeared to date. We just plug-in our Prime each evening and it's a rare day we go through the charge on a daily basis. Amazed with this car even after having had two prior. So, maybe a hardware difference explains why our 2024 Prime is giving us such high range/milage. In EV I can reach 91Km on battery, and, that's without trying hard. In other words, above posted speed limits. At 0800 this morning the Trip Computer estimated a 94Km range (at 18c). In hybrid mode I've seen 62MPG with a light foot. Love this car.
My Bz4x lease value is $29,000 with the cash Toyota offered. My payments are $232 per month. It is a no brainer when considering the gas savings. I get 197 miles on an 80% charge, which is more than I need. And personally, I wouldn't take any EV on a serious road trip.
Which is the right way to approach BEVs. DC fast charging is expensive -- when it is no longer manufacturer subsidized -- to the point that you don't save much money by road tripping in a BEV. BEVs are absolutely killer daily drivers and for local travel. Approach with those expectations and they are impossible to beat.
I'm new to this ball game , I just purchased a new Honda CRV hybrid , 14 gallon gas tank. Price to fill up is 44 bucks . Range is 530 miles . EV is going to have to do a lot better than they're doing for me to go all out electric .@@quentinberg3755
I don’t find my 2024 BZ4X slow charging. It goes from 20 to 80% in about 30 min on dc fast charge. The car is so comfortable, so well made and is reliable. Everything I love about Toyota. I can’t wait to see the future Toyota EVs. I could care less about other makers because they don’t have reliability other than Honda, and it is far behind Toyota
My ioniq 5 goes from 10% to 80% in 18 minutes:) You cannot fast charge twice in a row. That small screen you have in front of your steering wheel is obstructed by that steering wheel... I can go on and on and on
@samatwesu I call BULL, on that claim. The BZ4X has 62 Kwh's of usable storage from 100% to 0% SOC. To get 260 miles of usable range your vehicle would need to get 4.2 miles per Kwh. In the BZ4X at 55 to 65 MPH, that is impossible, unless you always travel downhill all the time.
@@johnlodge8546I've had mine for a month now in Vancouver and speed limits are looooow here. I've been getting the same results with similar speed consitions, 14.4kwh/100km or a bit over 4 miles per kilowatt hour. That's for a 80km journey to work each day and back with a big hill and about 20 mins of highway driving then 15 mins of city driving
The Lexus had better charging performance thanks to a different battery, but yes, the additional changes should carry over to the Lexus and the Solterra in one way or another.
The AWD version of the 2024 bZ4X still uses the 72.8kWh CATL pack that's limited to a peak 100kW rate. 150kW is the 71.4kWh Panasonic pack used in the FWD version here in the states, and both the FWD and AWD versions outside the states. I don't feel measuring charge speeds above 80% conducive in any EV, that's not what DCFC's are for. Just my two cents.
Thanks for the update, the changes obviously improved the charging, though still really slow. One thing though, I don't think Toyota stated that the AWD can charge up to 150kw. What they say is that the ideal charging speed is only achieved with a 150kw charger or above. It seems the max that people have reported for the AWD is 105 kw. If this is the case then they are correct saying you need a 150kw charger to achieve the max, but it seems that you (and others) have interpreted that to mean that it can charge up to 150kw. That's not the same. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.
Initially, Toyota claimed 100 kW for AWD, and nobody could get beyond 80 (and only briefly). Toyota's press materials aren't clear (we know, for example, HMG used to do as you suggest and list a 350 kW charger even though the cars charge slower). We'll reach out to Toyota for a direct answer.
Toyota officially states to us that the maximum DCFC rate of the updated bZ4X is 150 kW, and showed us in the owner's manual where the owner can actually have the car limit the DCFC to "MAX, 125kW, 100kW, 75kW, or 50kW".
@@markwright9025 charging at a local EVGo 350 kW charger, I've seen 104 kW exactly once. And if the ambient temp is over 90F, then I'm looking at 85kw max. Interesting charging event with my 2024 bz4x awd several nights ago. Rolled into the EVGo 350k charger at 35%, never got faster than 84 KW. When I got to 46%, a Honda Prologue arrived and hooked up next to me at 28% and immediately ran up to 123 kW. By the time I got to 80% he was already at 71%, and he's got a bigger battery! That would make for a better road tripper!
@@EVPulse We live in a place where we just spent `$16,000,000,000,000 on another hydro project. More than, a lot more than, double the projected cost. And, it's still not finished. Yet we pay just .1325kwh, and people here are "up in arms" about that price. If you have to pay .59kwh there's no point in buying a PHEV. We can charge our car from empty for around $1.65. With the warm summer days, we are seeing up to 91Km (56+m), on a charge. Way more than Toyota claims. Love this car.
Yeha I've recently bought a 2024 FWD and it seemed to have a pretty normal charging speeds though I've never seen it get anywhere above 120kwh no matter the charger
I have a 2024 Cadillac LYRIQ. There is nothing more frustrating than pulling up to the EVgo chargers and seeing a Toyota BZ4X in front of me. Those things charge really slow and I’ve timed them side-by-side with my own car. I get to 85% much quicker than they do.
@@markfitzpatrick6692 there’s maybe a 2-3k difference between a bolt and a Kia or Hyundai but those cars get 10x better performance so we can def complain 😂
The 800v architechture of the Hyundai Motor Group EVs has been SIGNIFICANTLY better than this from the get go. I really expected better from Toyota, as I've owned two Rav4s in my time.
We've gone to lake George twice. The first time we stopped in rutland and fast charged on the way there. A dude with an e mustache showed us how to use the charger. This last time I skipped charging on the way up and plugged into the inlaws 110 volt. The range anxiety is slowly diminishing
Do we get different cars in Europe than the ones you have in the US? I went on a road trip with my 2023 AWD bZ4X this summer, and experienced close to 150kW charging speeds several times. The car is definitely road trip ready.
Are you sure the water--to-water heat exchanger only applies to the AWD version as you say? Since the general updates are presented as part of the overall model improvements for 2024, and no sources explicitly excluded the LE trim from receiving these enhancements, it is reasonable to conclude that the LE model is also included.
Craig, if the "revamped" 2024 bz4x is road worthy then I've got a bridge to sell you. I have one, took my second trip in 2 months, this one 850 miles round trip, and the only word to describe it is painful!! I've got 33 more months before it goes back!!
Ummm, so... Craig, I think I've seen every video that you're in, and some I'll start the video, and it looks very familiar. I'll pause it and discover that I gave it a 👍 the first time. Apparently, the progress line at the bottom isn't always correct. My favorite nerd is hosting, though, so I just watch it again.
This is the charging profile and improvement we hope to see GM make for their Ultium EVs as well. These high-energy cell EVs should pull peak current until 40-45% before making a smooth, controlled taper to 100%. A 0% to 100% charge should be possible in no more than an hour to hour and a half on most modern pouch/prismatic cell EVs. Unfortunately, at this point, it seems to be more common than not that automakers are releasing EVs without a finished charging profile. Sure, it could be that the automaker still doesn't have enough data at the time of release, but it's not a great look when Hyundai, GM, KIA, Toyota, VW, and even Tesla are releasing charging programing patches a year or two after an EV model is first released.
Someone got some sun. 😍 Hoping these changes also transfers to the Subaru and maybe they make some small styling changes as well. The Subaru could really improve on Toyotas whack looks.
Have you been able to press Toyota about why it can't reach the advertized 150kw? It seems the owners questions fall to deaf ears. To be honest, the charging times are pretty comparable with most cars on the market right now. Outside of the range most cars besides Kia and Tesla charge 10-80% in 25-35 minutes so its on par.
TBH we're surprised we were even able to get a car to re-test - we spent a considerable amount of time asking and trying to arrange something. You're right, the overall performance for a 400-volt car is now pretty par for the course, and there are some good lease deals out there on bZ4X. But there's also some good lease deals on E-GMP cars, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Chad
The BZ4X makes sense as reliable transportation around town if you can get it cheaply enough and you don’t mind the way it looks and performs. It’s the only EV that I know of that maintains the same horsepower on their FWD and their AWD vehicles. Almost like they wanted it to be unimpressive. “See, EV’s suck!” I don’t think Toyota cares at all about this vehicle, it’s a clear message that they don’t believe EVs are worth their time yet. I think they are taking a big risk by not investing in creating a competitive EV, but maybe they know what they are doing. I own a RAV4 Prime and that’s an excellent PHEV, but I’m not sure how much they believe in that either as they don’t make enough of them.
@@MolishiousI think they're testing & working on that Solid State Battery pack behind scenes. I think they're taking a slow approach in public but in private they're working very hard on it just like they did with their Hydrogen car. They're trying too figure out weight & battery & maximizing range.
It received the updates to show charging information and what not, but it already was a much better performer when DCFCing because of the different battery supplier.
@@EVPulse Thanks a lot for sharing. Saw another test where they changed the FWD from 25% to 69% in 20 minutes. Not fantastic but ok compared to the competition.
It's not true that EVs charge more slowly when it's cold. They charge more slowly when the battery is cold, not when the air is cold. That's why if you live in a colder climate, you should ensure you buy vehicle with battery preconditioning hardware and software
Based on what we've seen reported (which isn't guaranteed to be accurate, but we don't have a huge reason to question it) is that it's been raised to 4 (or slightly less, not sure how you get slightly less).
Seeing the payment issue got me wondering. I bet someday in the not too distant future card companies will be able to hold your vehicle hostage (lock the charger) or even pull (V2G) charge from your vehicle if you dont make your payments on time or are in default.
Another question to ask Toyota is why do they reserve almost 15 percent of the gross battery packs storage. You also didn't state its' highway efficiency. The outgoing 2023 couldn't get better than 2.8 miles per Kwh at 70 MPH. This means running from 100% to 20% only nets roughly 140 miles, which is pathetic. Especially considering a 36 minute charge to 80% will only net you just under 110 miles of 70 MPH range.
There are some software updates that should help improve the experience (like the charging display, which we believe is rolling out to all models), but hardware changes are unlikely to be upgradable.
The video missed the fact that there was a software update for the 2023 which delivered the same dashboard update as the 2024 and significantly reduced DC charging time in the 80-100٪ range.
Fair enough, but since we didn’t test a software update 2023 we can’t independently verify the improved charging performance. Does it equal the new car with updated hardware? Is it somewhere in between? We don’t know. What we DO know is a 2024 AWD performs the way the video represents.
I have the Ioniq5 and kona ev both 2024 ultimate (Canadian versions)... and i never thought i would not buy an ev from Toyota after having a corolla and a rav4... but wow Toyota dropped the ball... love our hyundai EVs
So, greed is seeping into the EV sector. Charging customers those exorbitant rates at public chargers will not encourage adoption. Simple answer is for governments to step-in.
Toyota is horrified that people are buying the bZ4X. They sold almost 10,000 of them last year and might sell twice as many this year. They tried like hell to make this thing ugly, undesirable, and uncompetitive both in specs and price and it SILL didn't work. Toyota brand fans keep buying them! This is not only taking sales from higher profit vehicles it's proving them wrong about if customers want EVs. The good news? 100% of Camry buyers will "choose" the hybrid....because that's the only powertrain available.
Still kind of abysmal performance and inefficient vehicle in general, making it one of the worst choices if you ever go on trips that you may need to fast charge. I really wish manufacturers would advertise City/EPA/Highway range estimates. Skoda in the UK has a really great tool on their website where you can estimate your range based on weight carried, style of driving, and even the external temperature/weather.
What's abizmal is you measure time it takes to charge to above 80%. Who cares? You lead with that number, and lost my trust. "do not recommend channel"
We mention there’s not a real reason to go beyond that, but we are most definitely not the only channel that tests charging curves across the entire charge time. How exactly does providing accurate information cause a lack of trust?
@@EVPulse It doesn't. It's astonishing to me how many people (and certainly not just about EVs) confuse specs testing with everyday use cases. I for one appreaciate the additional info you and others provide. While stopping at 80% is certainly the general best practice, there are times when one might travel in a region where 90-95% of the battery will be needed to reach the next charging opportunity. It's important to know the 80-100% curve on this model was considerably shorter than it is on others (especially including others that might charge to 80% at about the same rate, if not a bit faster).
🚨Do you have a 2023? You should be able to get a dealer-installed software update to add many of the 2024 updates. You'll want to reach out to your dealer for more information.
I think software updates can be accomplished "over the air" with either a 23 or 24 Prime.
The improved charging rate required hardware changes, so no software update will give a 2023 the ability to charge like the 2024.
@@chaseroo12 Actually I was not aware the 24 can charge better than a 23. With our car, using the app, software updates are offered. None have appeared to date. We just plug-in our Prime each evening and it's a rare day we go through the charge on a daily basis. Amazed with this car even after having had two prior.
So, maybe a hardware difference explains why our 2024 Prime is giving us such high range/milage. In EV I can reach 91Km on battery, and, that's without trying hard. In other words, above posted speed limits. At 0800 this morning the Trip Computer estimated a 94Km range (at 18c). In hybrid mode I've seen 62MPG with a light foot. Love this car.
My Bz4x lease value is $29,000 with the cash Toyota offered. My payments are $232 per month. It is a no brainer when considering the gas savings. I get 197 miles on an 80% charge, which is more than I need. And personally, I wouldn't take any EV on a serious road trip.
What’s insurance running you out of curiosity?
@@joeeichinger I can't remember exactly since I paid the premium up front. But it was around 1K for 6 months.
Which is the right way to approach BEVs. DC fast charging is expensive -- when it is no longer manufacturer subsidized -- to the point that you don't save much money by road tripping in a BEV. BEVs are absolutely killer daily drivers and for local travel. Approach with those expectations and they are impossible to beat.
I'm new to this ball game , I just purchased a new Honda CRV hybrid , 14 gallon gas tank. Price to fill up is 44 bucks . Range is 530 miles . EV is going to have to do a lot better than they're doing for me to go all out electric .@@quentinberg3755
@@EDUAROSOLAS probably more like $3999.00
I don’t find my 2024 BZ4X slow charging. It goes from 20 to 80% in about 30 min on dc fast charge. The car is so comfortable, so well made and is reliable. Everything I love about Toyota. I can’t wait to see the future Toyota EVs. I could care less about other makers because they don’t have reliability other than Honda, and it is far behind Toyota
My ioniq 5 goes from 10% to 80% in 18 minutes:)
You cannot fast charge twice in a row.
That small screen you have in front of your steering wheel is obstructed by that steering wheel...
I can go on and on and on
is it with the new update? Do you charge at EvGo?
I got same results in 77 degree weather on 350 kilowatt charger. I can get 260 miles all highway driving. Keeping it between 55 and 65 miles per hour.
@samatwesu I call BULL, on that claim. The BZ4X has 62 Kwh's of usable storage from 100% to 0% SOC. To get 260 miles of usable range your vehicle would need to get 4.2 miles per Kwh.
In the BZ4X at 55 to 65 MPH, that is impossible, unless you always travel downhill all the time.
@@johnlodge8546I've had mine for a month now in Vancouver and speed limits are looooow here. I've been getting the same results with similar speed consitions, 14.4kwh/100km or a bit over 4 miles per kilowatt hour. That's for a 80km journey to work each day and back with a big hill and about 20 mins of highway driving then 15 mins of city driving
Driving at 70mph+ really does kill the range on this thing
Still not exactly what I would call a "road tripper". I'll just assume the Lexus EV gets these charging improvements as well.
The Lexus had better charging performance thanks to a different battery, but yes, the additional changes should carry over to the Lexus and the Solterra in one way or another.
It looks good too. I like the red and black.
On some colors we think the cladding is too much but this red really pops. - Chad
@@EVPulse It does.
The AWD version of the 2024 bZ4X still uses the 72.8kWh CATL pack that's limited to a peak 100kW rate. 150kW is the 71.4kWh Panasonic pack used in the FWD version here in the states, and both the FWD and AWD versions outside the states. I don't feel measuring charge speeds above 80% conducive in any EV, that's not what DCFC's are for.
Just my two cents.
Thanks for the update, the changes obviously improved the charging, though still really slow. One thing though, I don't think Toyota stated that the AWD can charge up to 150kw. What they say is that the ideal charging speed is only achieved with a 150kw charger or above. It seems the max that people have reported for the AWD is 105 kw. If this is the case then they are correct saying you need a 150kw charger to achieve the max, but it seems that you (and others) have interpreted that to mean that it can charge up to 150kw. That's not the same. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.
Initially, Toyota claimed 100 kW for AWD, and nobody could get beyond 80 (and only briefly). Toyota's press materials aren't clear (we know, for example, HMG used to do as you suggest and list a 350 kW charger even though the cars charge slower). We'll reach out to Toyota for a direct answer.
Toyota officially states to us that the maximum DCFC rate of the updated bZ4X is 150 kW, and showed us in the owner's manual where the owner can actually have the car limit the DCFC to "MAX, 125kW, 100kW, 75kW, or 50kW".
@@markwright9025 charging at a local EVGo 350 kW charger, I've seen 104 kW exactly once. And if the ambient temp is over 90F, then I'm looking at 85kw max. Interesting charging event with my 2024 bz4x awd several nights ago. Rolled into the EVGo 350k charger at 35%, never got faster than 84 KW. When I got to 46%, a Honda Prologue arrived and hooked up next to me at 28% and immediately ran up to 123 kW. By the time I got to 80% he was already at 71%, and he's got a bigger battery! That would make for a better road tripper!
And a Tesla can get up to 200kw pretty easy… why can’t other cars catch up still?
.59 cents per Kwh...................mental. We charge at home for .1325.
Highway robbery, for sure.
@@EVPulse We live in a place where we just spent `$16,000,000,000,000 on another hydro project. More than, a lot more than, double the projected cost. And, it's still not finished. Yet we pay just .1325kwh, and people here are "up in arms" about that price.
If you have to pay .59kwh there's no point in buying a PHEV. We can charge our car from empty for around $1.65. With the warm summer days, we are seeing up to 91Km (56+m), on a charge. Way more than Toyota claims. Love this car.
Yeha I've recently bought a 2024 FWD and it seemed to have a pretty normal charging speeds though I've never seen it get anywhere above 120kwh no matter the charger
I have a 2024 Cadillac LYRIQ. There is nothing more frustrating than pulling up to the EVgo chargers and seeing a Toyota BZ4X in front of me. Those things charge really slow and I’ve timed them side-by-side with my own car. I get to 85% much quicker than they do.
Its no where near as bad as seeing 4 Chevy Bolts in front of you :0
You are richer and don’t own the charger
@@markfitzpatrick6692absolutely. Just because they have money, they think they have entitlement.
You think because you are a rich snob with your fancy expensive Caddy you feel you have entitlement. Poor didums. 😢
@@markfitzpatrick6692 there’s maybe a 2-3k difference between a bolt and a Kia or Hyundai but those cars get 10x better performance so we can def complain 😂
THIS was your slowest charger? You all must've never charged a Chevy Bolt. Or a Nissan Leaf.
The Bolt charges quicker than a non-updated AWD BZ4X.
There should be a price limit 45c is expensive enough. 60 cents is robbery
The government helps petrol to keep prices low. Should be the same with fast charging
@@2.3_44XD-- they dont need to help, the residential cost is < $.20
In Texas there are charging stations that charge .85c and $1.59 !!!! Yes! A dollar and fifty nine cents per kilowatt 😒
You are not realizing the cost of installing chargers.
The 800v architechture of the Hyundai Motor Group EVs has been SIGNIFICANTLY better than this from the get go. I really expected better from Toyota, as I've owned two Rav4s in my time.
I love my 24 bz4x we get 252 miles of range and 4.1miles per kw. Only fast charged 2 times.
We've gone to lake George twice. The first time we stopped in rutland and fast charged on the way there. A dude with an e mustache showed us how to use the charger. This last time I skipped charging on the way up and plugged into the inlaws 110 volt. The range anxiety is slowly diminishing
Mustang dont you love autocorrect
I kinda want to see a Mach-E Mustache, honestly :) - Chad
@@stevezielonko1386do you enjoy your BZ4x?
Do we get different cars in Europe than the ones you have in the US? I went on a road trip with my 2023 AWD bZ4X this summer, and experienced close to 150kW charging speeds several times. The car is definitely road trip ready.
Are you sure the water--to-water heat exchanger only applies to the AWD version as you say? Since the general updates are presented as part of the overall model improvements for 2024, and no sources explicitly excluded the LE trim from receiving these enhancements, it is reasonable to conclude that the LE model is also included.
So you're saying that Toyota is up to 2018 standards?
Craig, if the "revamped" 2024 bz4x is road worthy then I've got a bridge to sell you. I have one, took my second trip in 2 months, this one 850 miles round trip, and the only word to describe it is painful!! I've got 33 more months before it goes back!!
Ummm, so... Craig, I think I've seen every video that you're in, and some I'll start the video, and it looks very familiar. I'll pause it and discover that I gave it a 👍 the first time. Apparently, the progress line at the bottom isn't always correct. My favorite nerd is hosting, though, so I just watch it again.
As long as you don’t have Adblock on watch as much as you want lol
Seriously thanks for being a fan.
@@EVPulse my absolute pleasure 😊
Only $15,250 off for a Lease & $2500 off for a Purchase.
Or buy used for $25,000!
@normt430 it's not even worth that. Buy a used model 3 for less than that. Teslas are 1000 times better than Toyota.
@@TheLobo91 for the grandma driving Toyota it is fine. Plus you won't find a used 2023 Tesla for under $25k.
@@TheLobo91 CCS is reason enough to avoid the BusyForks.
@@normt430 Hertz has Premiums for 22K. 12 nationwide.
Glad they made some effort to keep that thing somewhat relevant. I presume the Solterra gets the same changes for 2024?
Yes, we believe the changes affect the Solterra as well.
This is the charging profile and improvement we hope to see GM make for their Ultium EVs as well. These high-energy cell EVs should pull peak current until 40-45% before making a smooth, controlled taper to 100%. A 0% to 100% charge should be possible in no more than an hour to hour and a half on most modern pouch/prismatic cell EVs. Unfortunately, at this point, it seems to be more common than not that automakers are releasing EVs without a finished charging profile. Sure, it could be that the automaker still doesn't have enough data at the time of release, but it's not a great look when Hyundai, GM, KIA, Toyota, VW, and even Tesla are releasing charging programing patches a year or two after an EV model is first released.
No wonder these weren't selling.
And they're Aztec ugly to boot.
Where there meaningful changes in the non-AWD version?
So that's about $60 and two hours to get the same range as my Kia minivan. Definitely a city, charge at home car.
Do they still have a limit for daily DC charging?
Someone got some sun. 😍 Hoping these changes also transfers to the Subaru and maybe they make some small styling changes as well. The Subaru could really improve on Toyotas whack looks.
Have you been able to press Toyota about why it can't reach the advertized 150kw? It seems the owners questions fall to deaf ears. To be honest, the charging times are pretty comparable with most cars on the market right now. Outside of the range most cars besides Kia and Tesla charge 10-80% in 25-35 minutes so its on par.
TBH we're surprised we were even able to get a car to re-test - we spent a considerable amount of time asking and trying to arrange something. You're right, the overall performance for a 400-volt car is now pretty par for the course, and there are some good lease deals out there on bZ4X. But there's also some good lease deals on E-GMP cars, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Chad
The BZ4X makes sense as reliable transportation around town if you can get it cheaply enough and you don’t mind the way it looks and performs. It’s the only EV that I know of that maintains the same horsepower on their FWD and their AWD vehicles. Almost like they wanted it to be unimpressive. “See, EV’s suck!” I don’t think Toyota cares at all about this vehicle, it’s a clear message that they don’t believe EVs are worth their time yet. I think they are taking a big risk by not investing in creating a competitive EV, but maybe they know what they are doing. I own a RAV4 Prime and that’s an excellent PHEV, but I’m not sure how much they believe in that either as they don’t make enough of them.
@@MolishiousI think they're testing & working on that Solid State Battery pack behind scenes. I think they're taking a slow approach in public but in private they're working very hard on it just like they did with their Hydrogen car. They're trying too figure out weight & battery & maximizing range.
Did Subaru make the same improvements to the Solterra (essentially the same car)?
Yes
Thanks a lot for a quick and clear review.
How does the BZ4X FWD fares in comparison. Any upgrades on that version?
It received the updates to show charging information and what not, but it already was a much better performer when DCFCing because of the different battery supplier.
@@EVPulse Thanks a lot for sharing.
Saw another test where they changed the FWD from 25% to 69% in 20 minutes. Not fantastic but ok compared to the competition.
It's not true that EVs charge more slowly when it's cold. They charge more slowly when the battery is cold, not when the air is cold. That's why if you live in a colder climate, you should ensure you buy vehicle with battery preconditioning hardware and software
I’m surprised that you didn’t restart the test or just try another day with so many problems.
Other than the payment issue we had no problems.
Does it still have the 1-2 fast charge cap of the number of fast charging per day?
Based on what we've seen reported (which isn't guaranteed to be accurate, but we don't have a huge reason to question it) is that it's been raised to 4 (or slightly less, not sure how you get slightly less).
Seeing the payment issue got me wondering. I bet someday in the not too distant future card companies will be able to hold your vehicle hostage (lock the charger) or even pull (V2G) charge from your vehicle if you dont make your payments on time or are in default.
Got a spare Miata so we can drive something not connected all the time? - Chad
@@EVPulse haha I was just going to ask to see if you could "lose" a press vehicle so I could EV swap mine!
Do us all a favor and make it a hybrid....
We believe Toyota would say it's the Prius ➡️ ua-cam.com/video/uuoYsOvzTiI/v-deo.html
It's called the RAV4 prime.
Another question to ask Toyota is why do they reserve almost 15 percent of the gross battery packs storage.
You also didn't state its' highway efficiency. The outgoing 2023 couldn't get better than 2.8 miles per Kwh at 70 MPH.
This means running from 100% to 20% only nets roughly 140 miles, which is pathetic. Especially considering a 36 minute charge to 80% will only net you just under 110 miles of 70 MPH range.
How long did it take to charge to 80%? I'm never going to charge to 100%?
They said 36 minutes from 10%
What about real world range test drive?
Can old models be upgraded to be able to do this?
There are some software updates that should help improve the experience (like the charging display, which we believe is rolling out to all models), but hardware changes are unlikely to be upgradable.
Maybe I missed it but does the BZ4X have battery pre-conditionning ?
The 2024 model now has it.
@@jenss.2073 The 2024 model does NOT have battery preconditioning, which really sucks.
The video missed the fact that there was a software update for the 2023 which delivered the same dashboard update as the 2024 and significantly reduced DC charging time in the 80-100٪ range.
We tried to test a vehicle with just the software update, but could only get the '24 with the hardware and software changes.
@EVPulse The video should have stated that then, rather than leading viewers to believe the improvement was only for new models.
Fair enough, but since we didn’t test a software update 2023 we can’t independently verify the improved charging performance. Does it equal the new car with updated hardware? Is it somewhere in between? We don’t know. What we DO know is a 2024 AWD performs the way the video represents.
We will pin a comment here in a minute about the software updates for 2023.
@@EVPulse Thanks for staying on top of such a dynamic topic.
Still limited to 2 DCFC per day?
No - it's at least 3 but possibly higher
The bZ4X FAQ still says 3 DCFC cycles from low to 80% per 24 hours, same as post update that rolled out in the US last summer.
3 dc fast charges means you won't go more than 500 or so in a day on a road trip.
Its almost drivable. If only they worked on the looks as well
What's wrong with the Toyotiac Aztec4x?
@@Snerdles🤢
I have the Ioniq5 and kona ev both 2024 ultimate (Canadian versions)... and i never thought i would not buy an ev from Toyota after having a corolla and a rav4... but wow Toyota dropped the ball... love our hyundai EVs
So, greed is seeping into the EV sector. Charging customers those exorbitant rates at public chargers will not encourage adoption. Simple answer is for governments to step-in.
Toyota is horrified that people are buying the bZ4X. They sold almost 10,000 of them last year and might sell twice as many this year. They tried like hell to make this thing ugly, undesirable, and uncompetitive both in specs and price and it SILL didn't work. Toyota brand fans keep buying them! This is not only taking sales from higher profit vehicles it's proving them wrong about if customers want EVs. The good news? 100% of Camry buyers will "choose" the hybrid....because that's the only powertrain available.
This is so much better.
100kwh is for awd. 150 kwh is for fwd
For 2024, per Toyota officially, the peak is 150 kW for both.
Still kind of abysmal performance and inefficient vehicle in general, making it one of the worst choices if you ever go on trips that you may need to fast charge.
I really wish manufacturers would advertise City/EPA/Highway range estimates. Skoda in the UK has a really great tool on their website where you can estimate your range based on weight carried, style of driving, and even the external temperature/weather.
Can't imagine dealing with all the hassles of DC fast charging on non-Tesla charging stations.
Huzzah!!
2 many doors!
This video is 7 month late 😂
For sure I won't buy this Toyota, low mileage and still slow compared to other with bigger batteries.
What's abizmal is you measure time it takes to charge to above 80%. Who cares? You lead with that number, and lost my trust. "do not recommend channel"
We mention there’s not a real reason to go beyond that, but we are most definitely not the only channel that tests charging curves across the entire charge time. How exactly does providing accurate information cause a lack of trust?
@@EVPulse It doesn't. It's astonishing to me how many people (and certainly not just about EVs) confuse specs testing with everyday use cases. I for one appreaciate the additional info you and others provide. While stopping at 80% is certainly the general best practice, there are times when one might travel in a region where 90-95% of the battery will be needed to reach the next charging opportunity. It's important to know the 80-100% curve on this model was considerably shorter than it is on others (especially including others that might charge to 80% at about the same rate, if not a bit faster).
Any teslas will charge @ 150 or above. My model y hits 250kw everytime.
Toyota can't make EVs not a fan of this vehicle 😒
Boycott USA brands