What about the time of angles? "The Aplans, they've got two heads." "Yes I get that, so?" "So why don't the statues?" Chilled me to the core that scene.
oh that episode before they got to that part i think they mentioned the 2 heads before and i noticed all the statues with 1 head and i was thinking naaa couldnt be all angels. i had a feeling a few of them were but ya. same thign for me massive chills.
Looking back, the series does that quite a lot. Making a small mention that doesn't really get noticed until it gets called back to then it seems painfully obvious.
One thing I love about the Pandorica was 11s speech. He gave a big speech about how he is standing between the fleet and the Pandorica and they will have to take it from him. It feels really badass until it is revealed later that he is exactly where they want him.
While Michelle Gomez may be my favourite iteration of the Master, the few moments Jacobi had on screen were chillingly magical - a turn of the head, a glint of his (suddenly horribly cold) eyes, and the transformation was complete, before he uttered a word. I can think of few actors in 'Who, or elsewhere, that have so subtly, effectively exuded evil.
While I think there are audiobooks out there with him as the Master, I kinda wished we would've gotten some live action stories with his Master on TV as well.
Oh yes there are the Big Finish audios with the War Master (Jacobi) and he's superb! I've got five of the box sets so far! His voice is fantastic over the speakers, he's a phenomenal Master and I do wish we'd seen more of him 😊
@@weatherwitchandfelinefamiliars I wish I could listen to those, but I get too easily distracted to listen to audio books. I keep rewinding when I notice that while I've heard the voices, I haven't actually been following what they were saying for the past 5 or 10 minutes.
@@FiXato It can be a bit of a skill. When I first started listening to them I'd sometimes realize I hadn't been listening for the past x minutes and have to rewind. The more I listen to the less easily I'm distracted. Of course one of the great things about audio stories is you can do other things while listening to them, but generally you'll want it to be something that doesn't take too much focus. Anything where you have to read or listen to dialogue (like some video games for example) tend to be a bad idea. Other video games are great though, I've listened to literally hundreds of Doctor Who audios while playing Valheim lol. And there are plenty of other things you can do, I quite enjoy listening while going out for a walk :)
@@bobbybobstar1496 oh, no . . . some random nobody thinks a comment i made is cringe, how ever will i cope? how will i ever recover from such a deep wounding? dumb-ass
Another reason the Yana reveal was so great if you only knew new who you wouldn't know about the master and would just think "he's finally not alone" like Martha did only to be confused by the doctors reaction and shocked by the reveal
Three massive twists from Classic Who (Spoilers!): 1. The Time Meddler: The Monk has a Tardis 2. Shada: Chronotis is Salyevin 3. Trial of a Timelord: The Valeyard is the evil in the Doctor
My theory is that O was meant to be Omega, not the Master, but the recent death of Terrance Dicks meant the people in charge wanted to include his most famous villain, so they ditched that idea.
I need some Jo martin doctor content, honestly her energy as the doctor was awesome imo, really want to see more from her, even animated would be good.
"Why that one?" Because he was already made, and they wanted to fill the room as much and as cheaply as they could. Russell had a habit of giving monsters names that never made it to air. The monster in Waters of Mars had a name too - The Flood.
What? John Hurt being revealed as another incarnation of the Doctor didn't even make the Top Ten??? And as for why the Hoix were in "The Pandorica Opens": They had the costume! Hey, even the blowfish from "Torchwood" was there, they just raided the wardrobe room to see what they already had.
I don't know if it's truly an "Everything you know is a lie" moment; but, one of my favorite moments in Doctor Who is the redemption of the War Doctor, who did not destroy Gallifrey, in "The Day of the Doctor". To quote The Doctor (John Hurt) "But for now, for this moment, I am the Doctor again." As always thank you so very much for the video. Honorable mentions to Missy being "The Master", and John Simm being "The Master" in season 10 episodes 11&12. Plus the ("non-cannon") revelation from Steven Moffat ("In my head, and only in my head") that Doctor Moon was the 45th, and Final Doctor.
A Doctor encountering a future incarnation of the Doctor would still be a cool idea. Why is it that the "current" Doctor is ever the only one who encounters past Doctors? (Except the Caretaker and that one time the Third Doctor encountered a near future version of Three.) Especially now that there are, effectively, infinity Doctors.
I think you missed that the flying robot heads in "Utopia" actually was the human race. That was a "Everything You Know Is A Lie" Moment for real. Because that implies that, the Human Race is actually going to be mass extinct at some point after reaching Utopia. Which is a dark twist on the otherwise darkest episodes in all of Who.
The end of time did not reveal that the Time Lords were still alive, these events, from the perspective of Galfirey, occurred around the same time as Day of the Doctor, with Rassilon attempting to escape the time war; at the end of the episode, when the Doctor breaks the link, they are sent back to before the War Doctor used the moment, leaving them dead again until Day of the Doctor saved them properly.
The Hoix also made an appearance in the later Torchwood episode Fragments. Owen Harper named it in that episode and declared it would eat anything...including a pack of cigarettes.
With the YANA twist, it really is a shame that Derek Jacobi only gets to be onscreen for five minutes (though John Simm is quite fun in his own right). Thankfully, we have the War Master audios, which undeniably prove that this incarnation is easily the worst of the lot that you could ever meet, if his exploitation of Callus is anything to sniff at.
I remember being really surprised at the end of series 1 when we find out what the words Bad Wolf mean and how they led the doctor and rose into the events on satellite 5. Also loved the moment when professor yana became the master! 😊
Time as a separate entity shows Chibnall has no idea of relativistic physics. Einstein theorised that space and time are one single force. Hawking wrote an entire book about it, some of which I have read (beyond page 11!) Experiments have validated the theory. Besides, how could his people be Time Lords and travel through space-time without fully understanding it? And what about 'fixed points'? Does this entity decide these arbitrarily?
Well Ellie, it's quite simple: When one Dalek mutant loves another Dalek mutant THEY ARE BOTH IMMEDIATELY EXTERMINATED BECAUSE THEY ARE DEVIATIONS FROM THE DALEK NORM!
I will add a few for a list: "The Time Meddler" (the First Doctor episode) - the show was only building it's own rules, and the reveal that the Doctor and Susan are not the only ones in their race was unexpected. When I was watching it, I absolutely didn't see the fact that the Monk is a time lord coming. And I was really shocked, when it was revealed. "Colditz" (the Seventh Doctor audiodrama) - the reveal that Elizabeth Klein comes from an alternate timeline in which the Nazis have won, is an interesting one. It expands Klein's character, and builds up the idea of what can happen if the Doctor fails. "Dust Breeding" (another Seventh Doctor audiodrama) - although I kinda spoiled this one for myself, I still really enjoyed it. The delegation of rich people having a party, with a mysterious Mr Seta, who hides his face under a golden mask. And when he is confronted by the party organizer's bodyguard, Mr Seta activates his weapon he brought on board and shows what an evil man he is. Bodyguard asks: "Who are you?!", and receives an answer: "I am the Master, and you will obey me." The truly MASTERful performance by Geoffrey Beevers and the effect of person talking while wearing a mask makes the Master here sound as a truly terrifying person, and the reveal is very goosebumps inducing. "Project: Lazarus" (Sixth/Seventh Doctor audiodrama) - the first half with the Sixth, the second one with the Seventh. The reveal that the Sixth Doctor present in the second half of the story is actually a clone is a pretty sad one. When it is revealed, that he is not a third one, as he was said by the project's mastermind Nimrod, but actually one of the countless attempts to clone the Sixth Doctor, it is very depressing. "Omega" (the Fifth Doctor audiodrama) - I love the "hero is actually a villain" reveals, when they are handled properly, and "Omega" is a great example. As the name of the story suggests, the Omega - the inventor of time travel, is present. And through the three parts of the story we are sure we hear the Fifth Doctor and Omega having a conversation we are sure about their identities. But at the end of the third part, when the Doctor starts to talk about why he is being accused of murders done by Omega, it is revealed that it really was Omega. And the Doctor. Omega tried to create the copy of the Doctor's body which he could use, but accidentally split his identity - Omega and the Doctor. And when the real Fifth Doctor arrives, everything flips. There is absolutely no way you can make it in the TV episode, and the audio space really helps to keep the secret. "Master" (yet another Seventh Doctor audiodrama (damn he is lucky with plot twists)) - one of the most important stories, which tells the reason of why the Master is evil - he is the champion of Death herself. At least this is what he and the Doctor remember - that, while playing near the river as young boys, the bully tried to drown the Doctor, and the Master killed the bully with the rock, and later the guilt twisted the Master's mind, making him who he is. But later in the story everything flips - it is revealed, that the Doctor killed the bully, not the Master. And Death did came to the Doctor to make him her champion, only for the Doctor to be afraid and make her pick the Master. This really shows that the Doctor is not that white and fluffy, and he really did horrifying things he wishes he hadn't done. And you feel bad for the Master, I can't hide it. "Full Fathom Five" (an alternate Doctor audiodrama) - set in an alternate timeline, in which the Doctor believes that the end justifies the means, the said Doctor, voiced by late great David Collings, is a really terrifying man. He doesn't bother trying to do everything without violence, and he can really kill anyone if he finds that person useless. The DEEP - underwater research lab, was the place, where the father of Ruth - companion of this story, was last seen. Ruth and the Doctor some here to find her father, only for Ruth to learn the horrifying truth - the Doctor killed him to hide the awful experiments done in this lab. This disgusts Ruth, and did disgust me, and if I was there, I would've killed that version of the Doctor with my bare hands - the reveal of what a monster this man is. Even more monstrous than the actual "monster". "UNIT: Dominion" (the Seventh Doctor audiodrama) - while the Seventh Doctor and his new companion Raine explore the alternate dimension, Elizabeth Klein, who works for UNIT now, is visited again by the Doctor - another incarnation, who implies himself to be from his far future. Amazing performance by Alex MacQueen really makes you believe that it really is the Doctor. A little strange one, but still the Doctor. The first three parts give you this information, only for the finale of the third part to turn everything upside down, and the suspicions click together - this person we heard is not the Doctor, but rather a new, never seen/heard before incarnation of the Master. Each time I relisten to that moment, I have the goosebumps
10:54 ,,Yana has to be good. He's played by Derek Jekoby" - Yes he HAS to be. *Looking angrily at the Metatron* - Let the innefable husbands BE HAPPY. (Hopefully living at Alpha Centuri😂)
I think it'd be interesting to take a re-edited version of Human Nature/Family of Blood and use it to introduce someone to Doctor Who for the first time. They would be getting hints about who John Smith really is along with him and wonder what's going on until the big reveal. Then, if this hypothetical person becomes a fan, they can go back and experience the show from the beginning to fill in the Doctor's background. Could be fun. Sadly, I don't know anyone unfamiliar with Doctor Who that I could try this on.
Several really good reveals. I don't know that I'd include the Chibnall era reveals myself, as most of those messed with established continuity WAY too much. And why no reveals from the classic series? What about when The Valeyard is revealed to be a twisted version of The Doctor in Trial of a Time Lord? Overall, a nice effort though.
i know it was announced in advance but the twist of john simm at te end of world enough and time always ranks highly for me. tho that two parter is just my favourite episode so maybe little biased XD
The original story that Dr Who's home world was destroyed by the race of 'Daleks', [ruthless future Slime-Creature / AI bots] & the Doctor is the last of his race, was always great for superb fan discussions, so no one was surprised when they returned, as now we debate the parallel universe & multiverse theories, so it all fits together quite nicely yea :)
The End of Time does not rewrite the Time War and bring the Time Lords back from the dead. The Day of the Doctor dies that. The End of Time takes place in the final hours BEFORE THE END of the Time War. This is reenforced by the End of Time, when the Council references the War Doctor steeling the Moment, and by The Day of the Doctor, when the Time Lord General mentions that the Council had their chance (as seen in The End of Time) to end the war, and they failed.
The watcher is the 5th incarnation of the doctor, which means that the 4th doctor who had an a chat with the watcher knew that he was going to die for a while (and unlike a later incarnation wasn't a whiney bitch about it and instead just did what had to be done, so he was the doctor). That twist was huge to child me.
Just catching up on DW and have just finished with the WWII daleks. But I am still thinking about Timothy Dalton as Rassalon. He was magnificent! I'm one of those who think he was (allowing for the naff scripts) one of the best James Bonds ever.
Chantho: Chan, Professor Yana, tho? Professor Yana: THAT IS NOT MY NAME! "The Professor" was an invention. So perfect a disguise that I forgot who I am. Chantho: Chan, Then who are you, tho? Professor Yana: (Barely a whisper) I. Am. The MASTER! (Electrocutes Chantho)
Surely Amy Pond being a 'Doppleganger' for the first half of Series Six deserves a mention?!
I also loved the reveal to Capaldi’s Doctor “well I can’t keep calling myself the Master, can I?”
What about the time of angles?
"The Aplans, they've got two heads."
"Yes I get that, so?"
"So why don't the statues?"
Chilled me to the core that scene.
oh that episode before they got to that part i think they mentioned the 2 heads before and i noticed all the statues with 1 head and i was thinking naaa couldnt be all angels. i had a feeling a few of them were but ya. same thign for me massive chills.
*Angels.
Angles are the geometric torture devices for middle schoolers.
And yes.. the two head thing also gave a mental image of two headed angels where honestly, you really can't look at both faces at the same time..
Looking back, the series does that quite a lot. Making a small mention that doesn't really get noticed until it gets called back to then it seems painfully obvious.
Morning Angle
Professor Yana's reveal was incredible. Absolutely top tier television right there.
I was expecting Oswin's secret being revealed from "Asylum of the Daleks". That was intense. And her reaction... 😭
But where did she get the milk for soufflés?
@@projectswithjw Eggs?...eggs...ter...mi..nate
@@benpecto.benpecillton 😆🤌
One thing I love about the Pandorica was 11s speech. He gave a big speech about how he is standing between the fleet and the Pandorica and they will have to take it from him. It feels really badass until it is revealed later that he is exactly where they want him.
While Michelle Gomez may be my favourite iteration of the Master, the few moments Jacobi had on screen were chillingly magical - a turn of the head, a glint of his (suddenly horribly cold) eyes, and the transformation was complete, before he uttered a word. I can think of few actors in 'Who, or elsewhere, that have so subtly, effectively exuded evil.
While I think there are audiobooks out there with him as the Master, I kinda wished we would've gotten some live action stories with his Master on TV as well.
@@FiXato i'm like 99% sure you're right about the audio books but i'm feeling too lazy to google it
Oh yes there are the Big Finish audios with the War Master (Jacobi) and he's superb! I've got five of the box sets so far! His voice is fantastic over the speakers, he's a phenomenal Master and I do wish we'd seen more of him 😊
@@weatherwitchandfelinefamiliars I wish I could listen to those, but I get too easily distracted to listen to audio books. I keep rewinding when I notice that while I've heard the voices, I haven't actually been following what they were saying for the past 5 or 10 minutes.
@@FiXato It can be a bit of a skill. When I first started listening to them I'd sometimes realize I hadn't been listening for the past x minutes and have to rewind. The more I listen to the less easily I'm distracted.
Of course one of the great things about audio stories is you can do other things while listening to them, but generally you'll want it to be something that doesn't take too much focus. Anything where you have to read or listen to dialogue (like some video games for example) tend to be a bad idea. Other video games are great though, I've listened to literally hundreds of Doctor Who audios while playing Valheim lol. And there are plenty of other things you can do, I quite enjoy listening while going out for a walk :)
the Derek Jacobi / Master reveal was, well, masterful, and was set up _perfectly_ with The Family of the Blood
Cringe
@@bobbybobstar1496 oh, no . . . some random nobody thinks a comment i made is cringe, how ever will i cope? how will i ever recover from such a deep wounding?
dumb-ass
@@bobbybobstar1496 The person who says that word is most likely that word.
@@WilsonFox123 how childish can you be pickmisha
@@bobbybobstar1496 Truth hurts sometimes. It's just one of them things.
Not actually a lie but the clever play on words of River Song/Melody Pond has always blown my mind.
Another reason the Yana reveal was so great if you only knew new who you wouldn't know about the master and would just think "he's finally not alone" like Martha did only to be confused by the doctors reaction and shocked by the reveal
This was my case, and you are totally right
Three massive twists from Classic Who (Spoilers!):
1. The Time Meddler:
The Monk has a Tardis
2. Shada:
Chronotis is Salyevin
3. Trial of a Timelord:
The Valeyard is the evil in the Doctor
I prefer the Missy reveal. “Short for Mistress.”
That Amy had not been with them for months. And who River Song actually was.
O being revealed as The Master in Spyfall was also a everything you know is a lie moment
My theory is that O was meant to be Omega, not the Master, but the recent death of Terrance Dicks meant the people in charge wanted to include his most famous villain, so they ditched that idea.
To me, there's also the reveal that Missy is the Master, AND that Jack IS the Face of Boe !
I need some Jo martin doctor content, honestly her energy as the doctor was awesome imo, really want to see more from her, even animated would be good.
Couldn't agree more!
"Why that one?" Because he was already made, and they wanted to fill the room as much and as cheaply as they could.
Russell had a habit of giving monsters names that never made it to air. The monster in Waters of Mars had a name too - The Flood.
What? John Hurt being revealed as another incarnation of the Doctor didn't even make the Top Ten???
And as for why the Hoix were in "The Pandorica Opens": They had the costume! Hey, even the blowfish from "Torchwood" was there, they just raided the wardrobe room to see what they already had.
Also Weevils
I was expecting both non numbered Doctors to make this list along with the Timeless Child reveal from The Timeless Children!
I don't know if it's truly an "Everything you know is a lie" moment; but, one of my favorite moments in Doctor Who is the redemption of the War Doctor, who did not destroy Gallifrey, in "The Day of the Doctor". To quote The Doctor (John Hurt) "But for now, for this moment, I am the Doctor again."
As always thank you so very much for the video.
Honorable mentions to Missy being "The Master", and John Simm being "The Master" in season 10 episodes 11&12. Plus the ("non-cannon") revelation from Steven Moffat ("In my head, and only in my head") that Doctor Moon was the 45th, and Final Doctor.
A Doctor encountering a future incarnation of the Doctor would still be a cool idea. Why is it that the "current" Doctor is ever the only one who encounters past Doctors? (Except the Caretaker and that one time the Third Doctor encountered a near future version of Three.) Especially now that there are, effectively, infinity Doctors.
"Everything You Know Is A Lie: It's A Safe Bet That It Involves A Chameleon Arch"
I think you missed that the flying robot heads in "Utopia" actually was the human race. That was a "Everything You Know Is A Lie" Moment for real. Because that implies that, the Human Race is actually going to be mass extinct at some point after reaching Utopia. Which is a dark twist on the otherwise darkest episodes in all of Who.
Beast below is hands down one of my favorite episodes ever.
Same, soooo underrated
*Amy* saved the day in the Bracewell bomb episode. *Amy* was one of the *Doctor's* most helpful companions 📘
The end of time did not reveal that the Time Lords were still alive, these events, from the perspective of Galfirey, occurred around the same time as Day of the Doctor, with Rassilon attempting to escape the time war; at the end of the episode, when the Doctor breaks the link, they are sent back to before the War Doctor used the moment, leaving them dead again until Day of the Doctor saved them properly.
How about the Melody Pond/ Riversong reveal ?
Well done Ellie! Really enjoyed your presentation of this 😊
Loved this video, it brought back soo many memories of great Doctor Who moments ☺️
The Hoix also made an appearance in the later Torchwood episode Fragments. Owen Harper named it in that episode and declared it would eat anything...including a pack of cigarettes.
The reveal of the Valeyard in Trial Of A Timelord seems like an obvious choice.
With the YANA twist, it really is a shame that Derek Jacobi only gets to be onscreen for five minutes (though John Simm is quite fun in his own right). Thankfully, we have the War Master audios, which undeniably prove that this incarnation is easily the worst of the lot that you could ever meet, if his exploitation of Callus is anything to sniff at.
What about the reveal that Oswin Oswald was a Dalek
Ooh, that's a good one.
"Giant Space Fish"? A whale ain't no fish. 🐳 ≠ 🐟!
But what about space whales? Space anatomy and shit
If Time has been introduced to Doctor who as a person, I would like to see Space as a person as well, maybe to see them have a battle! 😮😁
Captain Jack is the Face of Boe. 🤯
Boe
Ah yes Ground Hog Day where Phil Saw his Shadow; which ment six million more years of the Time War.
🤣
There's some great comics of the Dr teaming up with the Avengers, and one where he teams up with Captain Jean Luc Picard in *"Assimilation"*
I remember being really surprised at the end of series 1 when we find out what the words Bad Wolf mean and how they led the doctor and rose into the events on satellite 5. Also loved the moment when professor yana became the master! 😊
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Host says "With that in mind", DRINK!
"The face of Boe, they called me"
Captain Jack the face of Bo
No classic dr who on list so far
I love how we just didn't mention the timeless child
😛
Whatabout The Valeyard in The Trial of a Time Lord?
What, not even a mention of Amy being a Ganger? Or River being Melody Pond? Those were much bigger reveals than Bracewell.
Derek Jacobi showed his skill at "hiding" by staying alive all through "I, Claudius"... still classic! ;-)
Why the Hoyts? Because the suit was in the props department. Saved a few pounds on costuming. :D
10:18 I think you meant to say "Hero to Prisoner Zero" lmao
Time as a separate entity shows Chibnall has no idea of relativistic physics. Einstein theorised that space and time are one single force. Hawking wrote an entire book about it, some of which I have read (beyond page 11!) Experiments have validated the theory.
Besides, how could his people be Time Lords and travel through space-time without fully understanding it? And what about 'fixed points'? Does this entity decide these arbitrarily?
They'll explain later…
Even worse, those damn Ironsides never made my cup of tea!
Why the reuse of the alien we see only in one scene ? Well... have you ever tried to make a lot of alien races on screen on a budget mate ?
But they could have easily left it out; they had plenty of other of The Doctor's enemies there.
Well Ellie, it's quite simple: When one Dalek mutant loves another Dalek mutant THEY ARE BOTH IMMEDIATELY EXTERMINATED BECAUSE THEY ARE DEVIATIONS FROM THE DALEK NORM!
How could you miss Captain Jack IS the Face of Bo?
The Timeless Child reveal was just reaffirming the "Morbius Doctors". I'd wager that the War Doctor Reveal was much bigger in retrospect.
There were definitely some classic who moments that could have been in here. Princess Astra and the Key to Time comes to mind.
I will add a few for a list:
"The Time Meddler" (the First Doctor episode) - the show was only building it's own rules, and the reveal that the Doctor and Susan are not the only ones in their race was unexpected. When I was watching it, I absolutely didn't see the fact that the Monk is a time lord coming. And I was really shocked, when it was revealed.
"Colditz" (the Seventh Doctor audiodrama) - the reveal that Elizabeth Klein comes from an alternate timeline in which the Nazis have won, is an interesting one. It expands Klein's character, and builds up the idea of what can happen if the Doctor fails.
"Dust Breeding" (another Seventh Doctor audiodrama) - although I kinda spoiled this one for myself, I still really enjoyed it. The delegation of rich people having a party, with a mysterious Mr Seta, who hides his face under a golden mask. And when he is confronted by the party organizer's bodyguard, Mr Seta activates his weapon he brought on board and shows what an evil man he is. Bodyguard asks: "Who are you?!", and receives an answer: "I am the Master, and you will obey me." The truly MASTERful performance by Geoffrey Beevers and the effect of person talking while wearing a mask makes the Master here sound as a truly terrifying person, and the reveal is very goosebumps inducing.
"Project: Lazarus" (Sixth/Seventh Doctor audiodrama) - the first half with the Sixth, the second one with the Seventh. The reveal that the Sixth Doctor present in the second half of the story is actually a clone is a pretty sad one. When it is revealed, that he is not a third one, as he was said by the project's mastermind Nimrod, but actually one of the countless attempts to clone the Sixth Doctor, it is very depressing.
"Omega" (the Fifth Doctor audiodrama) - I love the "hero is actually a villain" reveals, when they are handled properly, and "Omega" is a great example. As the name of the story suggests, the Omega - the inventor of time travel, is present. And through the three parts of the story we are sure we hear the Fifth Doctor and Omega having a conversation we are sure about their identities. But at the end of the third part, when the Doctor starts to talk about why he is being accused of murders done by Omega, it is revealed that it really was Omega. And the Doctor. Omega tried to create the copy of the Doctor's body which he could use, but accidentally split his identity - Omega and the Doctor. And when the real Fifth Doctor arrives, everything flips. There is absolutely no way you can make it in the TV episode, and the audio space really helps to keep the secret.
"Master" (yet another Seventh Doctor audiodrama (damn he is lucky with plot twists)) - one of the most important stories, which tells the reason of why the Master is evil - he is the champion of Death herself. At least this is what he and the Doctor remember - that, while playing near the river as young boys, the bully tried to drown the Doctor, and the Master killed the bully with the rock, and later the guilt twisted the Master's mind, making him who he is. But later in the story everything flips - it is revealed, that the Doctor killed the bully, not the Master. And Death did came to the Doctor to make him her champion, only for the Doctor to be afraid and make her pick the Master. This really shows that the Doctor is not that white and fluffy, and he really did horrifying things he wishes he hadn't done. And you feel bad for the Master, I can't hide it.
"Full Fathom Five" (an alternate Doctor audiodrama) - set in an alternate timeline, in which the Doctor believes that the end justifies the means, the said Doctor, voiced by late great David Collings, is a really terrifying man. He doesn't bother trying to do everything without violence, and he can really kill anyone if he finds that person useless. The DEEP - underwater research lab, was the place, where the father of Ruth - companion of this story, was last seen. Ruth and the Doctor some here to find her father, only for Ruth to learn the horrifying truth - the Doctor killed him to hide the awful experiments done in this lab. This disgusts Ruth, and did disgust me, and if I was there, I would've killed that version of the Doctor with my bare hands - the reveal of what a monster this man is. Even more monstrous than the actual "monster".
"UNIT: Dominion" (the Seventh Doctor audiodrama) - while the Seventh Doctor and his new companion Raine explore the alternate dimension, Elizabeth Klein, who works for UNIT now, is visited again by the Doctor - another incarnation, who implies himself to be from his far future. Amazing performance by Alex MacQueen really makes you believe that it really is the Doctor. A little strange one, but still the Doctor. The first three parts give you this information, only for the finale of the third part to turn everything upside down, and the suspicions click together - this person we heard is not the Doctor, but rather a new, never seen/heard before incarnation of the Master. Each time I relisten to that moment, I have the goosebumps
3:32 He he nice reference (Dalton is my favorite bond)
The star whale episode, is there any resolution to the fact that the robots are trying to kill kids?
I couldn’t very well keep calling myself the Master.
Where is the reveal that captain Jack is The face of Boe?
I'm the only loved the Power Ranger Daleks xD
Do I have to be the *hole who points out whales are mammals?
"The Pandorica Opens" introduces the Doctor Who "Legion of Doom"... ;-P
Time being a Living Being does fit in with 7 supposedly being Times Champion
I knew that the professor was the master while watching, but it was still so shocking
10:54 ,,Yana has to be good. He's played by Derek Jekoby" - Yes he HAS to be.
*Looking angrily at the Metatron* - Let the innefable husbands BE HAPPY. (Hopefully living at Alpha Centuri😂)
Four words: "It's me. I'm Melody."
I think it'd be interesting to take a re-edited version of Human Nature/Family of Blood and use it to introduce someone to Doctor Who for the first time. They would be getting hints about who John Smith really is along with him and wonder what's going on until the big reveal. Then, if this hypothetical person becomes a fan, they can go back and experience the show from the beginning to fill in the Doctor's background. Could be fun. Sadly, I don't know anyone unfamiliar with Doctor Who that I could try this on.
Yes I am crying 😭😭😭😭
Several really good reveals. I don't know that I'd include the Chibnall era reveals myself, as most of those messed with established continuity WAY too much. And why no reveals from the classic series? What about when The Valeyard is revealed to be a twisted version of The Doctor in Trial of a Time Lord? Overall, a nice effort though.
Platoon of Judoon near a lagoon that's not near the moon.
Hmm. What about an honorable mention for Capt Jack being the Face of Boe? Or Amy and her baby being doppelgangers? Cheers....
i know it was announced in advance but the twist of john simm at te end of world enough and time always ranks highly for me. tho that two parter is just my favourite episode so maybe little biased XD
The original story that Dr Who's home world was destroyed by the race of 'Daleks', [ruthless future Slime-Creature / AI bots] & the Doctor is the last of his race, was always great for superb fan discussions, so no one was surprised when they returned, as now we debate the parallel universe & multiverse theories, so it all fits together quite nicely yea :)
I actually clicked on this just to listen to Ellie's voice.
The End of Time does not rewrite the Time War and bring the Time Lords back from the dead. The Day of the Doctor dies that.
The End of Time takes place in the final hours BEFORE THE END of the Time War.
This is reenforced by the End of Time, when the Council references the War Doctor steeling the Moment, and by The Day of the Doctor, when the Time Lord General mentions that the Council had their chance (as seen in The End of Time) to end the war, and they failed.
I liked the skittle Daleks
Just like in real life everything we think we know is basically a lie. 😂
What about the Impossible Astronaut? Or the Timeless Child?
The watcher is the 5th incarnation of the doctor, which means that the 4th doctor who had an a chat with the watcher knew that he was going to die for a while (and unlike a later incarnation wasn't a whiney bitch about it and instead just did what had to be done, so he was the doctor). That twist was huge to child me.
7:55 wait hold on. HOW COME I DONT REMEMBER THIS????
#9 Readers of the Virgin New Adventures have known that Time is an actual 'person' for 30 years now.
In the episode live and monsters easter egg that Saxon was there
They were not just on a holodeck they were the holograms in the holoprogram
Talk about big finish unbound.
Didn't buy "Jackson Lake" for a second. Just wondered how he was going to be explained as BS...
Um. River song reveal?
1:45 power rangers of extermination
Skittle Daleks...
Jack Harkness as The Face of Boe should have been here
Yana = Master was foreshadowed, if I can even call it that, back in _Scream of the Shalka._
Soooooooo, no River?
I still like the Skittle Daleks!
What about Captain Jack turning out to be the face of Boe
That's a good list.
why not the captain jack is face of boe plot twist?
Just catching up on DW and have just finished with the WWII daleks. But I am still thinking about Timothy Dalton as Rassalon. He was magnificent! I'm one of those who think he was (allowing for the naff scripts) one of the best James Bonds ever.
Assuming it is a whale then wouldn't it be space mammal then and not space fish?
Chantho: Chan, Professor Yana, tho?
Professor Yana: THAT IS NOT MY NAME! "The Professor" was an invention. So perfect a disguise that I forgot who I am.
Chantho: Chan, Then who are you, tho?
Professor Yana: (Barely a whisper) I. Am. The MASTER! (Electrocutes Chantho)