Added problem is micro plastics. The twisting motion of sealing a lid makes micro plastics through friction. It could also happen with rubber. The best sealing method is the old bottles with the wire lever and rubber seal. No twisting motion. The first 316 SS bottle with this seal get's my money.
I’ve wondered about this. But do you know if micro plastics can theoretically be released as long as you have that cap or is there a point, after so much use and washing that the microplastics stop being released? Also wondering bc I’m doing away with plastic single use water bottles, how much better is a plastic cap vs stainless cap? Is it marginal and splitting hairs or truly worth finding stainless?
the amount of micro plastics from our bottle is far from what's polluted our environment and then digested into our system. I'm not saying you're wrong, but if you look at the broader picture it's much more terrifying than just a chipped plastic from our water bottle.
most gaskets are silicone, silicones have much simpler and more resistant (thermally and physically) structure than plastics, they don't work like plastic so no hormonal problems.
It’s a problem no matter what the plastic constantly leaks into the water and if it says BPA free the it’s just leaking BPS or BPF don’t drink from plastic at all if you can
There are double walled 316 SS bottles with 2 18/8 SS caps, one after the other, WITHOUT any rubber, plastic or silicone. The tolerances are tight enough for the water to not leak if shaken upside down. It's just a bit heavier. We have come a long way.
The best combination I've ever found is a glass water bottle wrapped with a thick silicone sleeve (plus a stainless steel cap with a silicone seal). Although I've had mine for years and years without issue, I can't seem to find an exact replacement anymore. Hopefully I don't need to
Specifically, I prefer ceramic bottlees with silicone sleeves. None of those metallic or silicone aftertaste and you can accidentally drop those at a reasonable height without worrying about it breaking.
@RoguePC4U it's super rare, and when there is one, it could hold only the size of a drinking glass with a non-threaded silicone lid. Maybe because most ceremic glass/bottle are handmade. I would pay a premium just to get a decently sized ceramic bottle.
but what about a glass bottle with a copper outer coating surrounded by a vacuum chamber of titanium-aluminum alloy fused to said copper coating, with a stainless steel lid and a silicone seal??
Get a purist bottle, it’s with a glass like interior with the same features of glass but unbreakable and because it’s like 60 manometers. It also has a stainless steel exterior.
On stainless steel if you have coffee stains, vinegar, baking soda, and a bottle brush will get rid of it all. And no your drink will not taste like vinegar
Those are oil/wax surface deposits, not stains. They are easy to remove by adding boiling hot vinegar, 1/2 tsp table salt, and 1/2 tsp clear dish detergent and letting the bottle (or coffee urn) sit overnight. They will wipe out with a sponge or paper towel. Alternatively, baking powder is an excellent scouring agent.
I started using Kleen Kanteen bottles about 15 years ago, and have never had a single bad experience. I prefer non-insulated/single wall, because I do sometimes put my bottles in a fire to boil the water. while the fallacy that insulated bottles will "Explode" if you put them in a fire seems to have it's own life, and just won't die. the insulated walls WILL expand, and seams will rupture. not explode, but open the seams to basically ruin the bottle. I don't like plastic ( I have used Nalgene, but don't like them) because not only can you not boil water in them, but if they fall in the wrong way, or on the wrong surface they can crack. this is counter productive in wilderness environments. this is also why I won't have a glass bottle. I have seen Nalgene, and similar bottles break and they always do it at the worst time. several of my Kleen Kanteen bottles have multiple dents, and carbon "burn in" but they work perfectly. As to the "health benefit" claims form ANY product sales company. I don't believe anything I hear/read out of hand. Unless I can find actual credible research, I just don't buy it.
Very good comment, and all good points. I'm planning a video or series later this year to seriously look at some hydration and bottle myths like hydrogen water and structured water. I'm personally skeptical whenever someone claims massive, hard-to-prove benefits like that, so it could be worth a deep dive given all the claims by companies and listing on Amazon. And I hadn't heard about the exploding vacuum bottle myth. Might be worth a video fo its own by doing insulation tests before and after boiling.
Interesting video. I'm a big fan of my stainless steel water bottles, I just wish they didn't get marked up so bad when I drop them. Guess it's better than glass breaking all the time!
there is a reason we eat from ceramic plates for the most part and not metal, plastic, or aluminium... obviously there are exceptions... but ceramic and glass are non-porous, heat resistant, and easily cleaned...
I use Kleen Kanteen water bottles and thermoses. They've held up really well. I've got them on my sailboat, and last year I took a water bottle and thermos, as well as a Stanley tip proof mug also SS, on a three month salt water sailing voyage. (Small boat) Zero issues with corrosion. Often when I'm traveling I'll get a Smart Water so I can reuse the bottle. As soon as they get some wear on them I replace them. Even if the plastic is good, it'll still begin to break down, chaff off (bending and crushing making those white stress lines? That's shedding plastic. Decades ago I followed the mantra 'You have to get Nalgene, you have to get Nalgene' . Then at REI I noticed that there was at least three completely different types of these bottles. Seemed really suspicious. Medical supply nalgene seems to always be the soft frosted plastic. I don't really know. But why use plastic when you can use stainless steel. All food cans have plastic linings. Never use a food can as a cooking pot. Something else about plastic. Every 'safe' plastic seems to be inevitably condemned as toxic, carcinogenic. Take epoxy. 25 years ago it was recommended for use around food and babies. Then bis phenol A was identified as not only a carcinogen, but it basically acts like large random doses of estrogen in our bodies. Epoxy resin is about 90% BP A. Things made out of epoxy are safe, but not for cutting food on, or that a baby might suck on. (Of course we're all still here.... cancer is being cured more and more but the rate of it keeps climbing.) Cleaning. You've got that plastic Smart Water Bottle. Your trip is only three more days, but it's starting to stink.... what I've done time and time again is wipe as much as you can reach with your finger and a paper towel or cloth through the opening. This seems to clean up 90 percent of whatever is making that smell. (Of course if you're in the middle of a cholera or typhoid outbreak, or someone with Hepatitis just drank from it... don't trust this.) I've never gotten ill. For stainless I use a bleach cleanser (Comet) and some scrubbing. I've brushed out plastic hummingbird feeders growing big mold spots with a strong bleach solution. The mold always comes back. But when I soak them for a few hours in the bleach solution, the mold doesn't come back. So I soak, lightly brush and rinse. My SS water bottles do great with just the Comet, and only about every three months or so, and mostly to get the coffee build up out. You missed one type of material. Silver. It kills bacteria. People in the 19th century used silver water canteens. I don't know if the silver leeches, but if you consume a lot of silver you turn deep blue and I guess it never goes away.
well , my family has been using a copper jar to store drinking water for day to day use , for decades now , and there has been no health issues or any special health benefit , its just normal... but when I purchased a modern copper bottle and started using it , I did noticed the colour of my pee becoming much more darker which was not a good sign and hence I stopped using the bottle, one difference i have noticed in the Jar and the bottle i bought was , the jar use to get accumulated with greenish-blue colour in after like 1 or 2 month and my mom would thus clean it with lemon and salt once a month . but with the copper bottle it never happened . this makes me think how authentic the copper bottles in the market really are, or do they add additional layers/chemicals to the bottle.
Thanks for posting this comment. I admit I may have discounted copper more that I should have in this video, and I did that after reading some listings that promised way more benefits than seemed possible. Copper can certainly leach, but there are a lot of factors that play into that like the pH of the liquid, how long the drink is stored, how well the bottle is maintained (like what your mom did), and like you mentioned, it's unlikely that all copper bottles are created or manufactured with the same quality. I haven't seen the same kind of possibly issues or questions with glass or stainless steel, so I'd lean towards those materials personally. But I'm sure I have more to learn about copper bottles, and there are probably more situations where it makes more sense to use than I originally considered.
I think there used to be an electroplated layer of some other material on the bottle, otherwise it would have also developed that greenish blue patches which are essentially due to copper corrosion.
glass is literally goated, i use milton or borosil(brand started by corning and indian scientist) bottles, they are surprisingly strong, one time my friends were doubting its durablity and saying plastics are durable, since then my bottles have fallen many times without any damage, but one of the friends dropped his plastic bottle mid conversation and it broke, spilling water everywhere i found that quite funny.
@@theqrent really, every one of their bottles are good, just check is they are listed as borosilicate. otherwise they are all same, just different design.
I’ve used them before as well, with a fabric sleeve but I do find borosilicate glass products do break eventually, the price you have to pay for the benefits. My borosil was fine for dropping but cracked when someone dropped a table spoon in 🤷🏻♀️. Still, if you want to transport tea glass is the only way to go imo.
The plastic bottle section of the vid isn't exactly accurate. Tritan/"BPA-free" plastic still leaches chemicals with estrogenic effects on the body. From a 2014 study: "Many unstressed and stressed, PC-replacement-products made from acrylic, polystyrene, polyethersulfone, and Tritan™ resins leached chemicals with EA, including products made for use by babies."
That study you referenced was from a biased source. George D Bittner owed a plastic company that made "EA free plastics" based on his definition of EA free. But his company lost a lawsuit after fasely claiming that Tritian had EA. Tritan is different from other BPA free plastics as it doesn't have BPS & other BPA equivalents.
Bpa's are just the tip of the iceberg, microplastics and Tritan can somehow or possibly cause cancer when exposed to too much sunlight, UV rays , microwaves growth of the cancer cells from the Tritan extract occurred after the plastic was exposed to the stressed state of simulated sunlight. Only one out of three Tritan products showed estrogen activity in an unstressed state, for instance when they weren't exposed to microwaving, heat, or UV rays.
If you use the HDPE Nalgene bottle, you can in fact boil them as they were originally used in labs. They are almost impossible to permanently damage by dropping or driving over it. They are lighter than the Tritan Nalgene. I prefer that HDPE over the others. I do use several types of YETI but don't take them hiking; more everyday use. I think mostly it's too expensive to use brand name bottles in public due to loss or theft. Won't be too upset for losing a HDPE Nalgene that cost less than $10 when I bought them. But my workplace provides us w Tritan plastic bottles and Stanley insulated bottles so losing or throwing them away to replace is no big deal.
So true! We talk a lot about options to avoid plastic, but it's usually part of a larger video like it was for this one. Might be helpful for people to have a video where the sole focus is 100% plastic-free options, so that's something we have in the works.
Makes sense glass is the best. It’s used in the scientific field all the time because it can hold almost any chemical and has been around for a long time. I’m surprised silicone really has no downsides, but that’s a good thing if we’re looking for plastic bottle replacements.
The problems with plastics stem from the fact that they are basically carbon chain molecules - the same as proteins and other bioactive components of human body, which means they often interact with it in unforeseen way, like that estrogen mimicking situation video mentioned. Silicone on the other hand is inorganic chain molecule and thus do not have a potential to influence us in such way.
A friend gave me a Nalgene to try after expressing concern with drinking water from plastic. I tried it for a week or so and got a strong 'plastic' flavor from the bottle. I've heard "BPA-free" means they removed the BPA and replaced it with a similar compound. It sounds like you're onto that. I'm currently looking for a 304 stainless insulated jug with silicone cap.
I don't trust that stuff. Borosilicate glass, or regular "soda glass" bottles for me only. I'm no mountain climber, but my life has plenty of sports and adventure involved. Use good steel if your life depends on it. Otherwise glass is superior.
Smartwater bottle is #1 hiker pick (used over and over until lid breaks). Hoping that benefits from fresh air and exercise offset negatives of plastic.
The choice of bottles is a bit flawed, if you think about where the water comes from. If you have drinkable tap water, your water will be in contact with pipes a long time as well and you cannot avoid that. If you run it through a filter, you need to make sure it isn't breeding bacteria in the filters what can often happen. So in the end, how much better did you really make the water quality situation? And does it really have a measurable impact. Also, your body should come in contact with bacteria anyway or your immune system will have no training, which is why it's not recommended to use hand sanitizers all the time, as some paranoid people do - not realizing they are harming themselves rather than doing something good. It's all a double edged sword.
Very good comment. There's almost always more to any story, and water quality is a big factor I didn't discuss here. Aging water infrastructure, microplastics, and PFAS are each huge stories that affect most people nowadays regardless of which bottles they use. I've started posting more about topics like these and hope to post more soon. PFAS in particular is a major issue where I live (one of the highest rates of groundwater contamination in the country). But when your drinking water supply is a fixed variable, controlling what you can by deciding which bottle to get can have an impact.
I like my copper water bottle but I only drink out of it a maximum of one bottle per day then I switch to something else like glass. I feel I get some benefit from the copper that way.
Bacteria and mold are probably the biggest issue. Cleaning your water bottle thoroughly and regularly is the best defense. Some bottles have too many books and crannies for microbes to hide.
Some people are allergic to Nickel. In that case normal Stainless like 304, 316 may not be good. 403 is very expensive and hard to come by. There is a new breed of water bottle that is made of ceramic and with stainless steel outter case. I have been trying to get my hand into one.
Uncolored HDPE is common, stable and FDA certified as food safe. There are +1500 common plastic compounds, less than 50 that are suitable for molding inexpensive bottles. Few of them contain materials that can leach out and are harmful - including BPA. Ignoring them is throwing out the bottle with the water. Btw stainless steel is not a completely stable material. Itks corrosion resistance comes from forming a grey/tan oxide coating. If stainless it stays shiny then the oxides that it would normally form of nickel and chromium are being leached out into the liquid.
I laughed when he said copper is new material used to store water 😂😂😂.......it's been used for meliniums by Eastern civilizations !......also there is specific washing process to be followed for copper bottles. The study he referred to is based on water that passes through rusted pipes, obviously that water will not be good. But if you use a copper bottle and keep it rust free with the specific washing process, you can get immense benefits!
Interesting video. But about silicone, I have bought a silicone ice cube tray/maker, all the ice produced these white stuff when melt into water. Maybe it was some non brand on Amazon, but I’m not trusting any drinking silicone product until proven otherwise.
Thank you for the comment. That sounds disgusting. I'm assuming you washed it well before use, and if the ice was discolored after that then it's definitely a concern. Sounds like a manufacturer issue maybe? If more people have had issues like this, I hope they'll comment so I can have a better idea if this is more common and then update this video if needed.
This was super helpful. Thank you for sharing!! I have been using plastic bottles etc.. and I DO NOT want to use them anymore so it sounds like glass is a great option. (What are your thoughts about the Stanley Stainless Steel bottles) ? I see them all over.
Stainless steel can leach nickel which can be highly toxic. I had a bio comp metal test and I am extremely sensitive to it . I was putting lemon in my water as well and it was causing me a lot of pain. I switched to glass and feel much better .
Why are the lids and bottles made of plastic when research is showing how much plastic humans ingest from plastic water bottles? Especially the lids, as these screw tops shed heaps of microscopic plastic bits from the surfaces rubbing together. Steel tops would be a lot better.
Tritan is the most common plastic in bottles now, and it's allegedly free of BPS too from what I read. But I also remember reading that BPS is, like you mentioned, a substitute in other non-tritan plastics like food packaging. Overall, I definitely don't fault someone for avoiding plastics, including tritan, as much as possible since the science seems to be finding out more concerns every few years.
@@bottlepro3252 if it does not have BPS then it probably has BPF. Manufacturers just keep using the next chemical in the family and wait for others to determine if it has any harmful effects.
Recommend you get to the point and say the recommendations upfront at the beginning of the video and then say if they want more details about the type of bottles that the audience maybe using they should review the rest of the video.... thank you about this very important review.
thank you for this! im kind of curious, though, there's this growing trend with ceramic coated bottles that claims to be better in removing unwanted tastes. curious on your thoughts on it
Yea most lids have plastic underneath unfortunately. I have a video coming up in a month or two that'll focus on sharing the bottles I know of that have stainless steel under the lid.
The feel of glass is by far the best but I am sure I will break it sooner or later. Titanium looks like the best bet as I exclusively use my bottle for drinking water but alas, the price is off the charts I won't mind stainless steel but it gets dents and usually comes insulated which makes it heavier and bigger for my purposes
All good points. I'm hoping to find a cheaper titanium option at some point because it looks like a really good material, and I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing more bottles made out of it within the next few years. Maybe I'll get one as a celebration when we hopefully get to 1000 subs, haha.
For silicone bottles- alot of bottles will use plastice around the rim and on the cap. Que is the only silicone water bottle I've seen that uses a stainless steel topper.
Yea, that's on my list for sure, and I'm curious like you are about whether the ceramic lining might crack on the inside if the bottle is dropped. I'm hoping to buy a few of those bottles later this year to try them out.
Problem is, manufacturers just went to BPS after BPA was banned. You need phthalate free plastics, and likely even non-phthalate free ones might be contaminated if produced in a place that produced BPA like plastics.
You can research more about copper. Your information about seems incomplete. Moderation is the key with copper. Traditionally, gold, silver and copper metals are used as drinking vessel and it's good absorb them on regular basis in correct quantity. But great video thanks.
Thanks for the comment. I've been hearing from a few people about copper. The Washington Dept of Health link I referenced mentioned how it's essential in diets so I agree about having the right amount and moderation is key. But having said that, it did seem like a lot of the copper bottle brands I saw on Amazon though were promising way more benefits than what proper copper intake might provide, so I didn't feel comfortable recommending them.
My understanding is that thermosteel is just another term for dual-wall vacuum insulated bottles that some companies use for branding/marketing, but I could be wrong. I haven't looked into them much to see if there are actual differences in the material or construction, so hopefully someone can comment below who knows more. If they are different, that could be a cool topic for an insulation test!
Even if the plastic bottle is BPA free, it still may not be safe to use. Scientists are not yet aware of a foodsafe plastic. PBS, a common replacement for BPA can be just as or more endocrine disrupting than BPA
For plastic BPA-free bottles: 1. Did they replace BPA with some other toxic chemical? (Don't know that's why I'm asking). 2. Is the bottle truly BPA-free? Especially in non-Western countries. We see water bottles being advertised as BPA-free but since they are cheap and made in China .. who knows?
Like clay tumblers? My understanding is that as long as they are fired with food-safe glaze, then they should be OK. But unfired clay and certain glazes might not be food safe, for example it could leach iron out of certain clays that have high iron content. I haven't looked into it much yet though, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Thank you, I hadn't heard of those. That's a really interesting looking shape. I see more glass options online. Is it more traditionally ceramic/clay and not glass?
Titanium is only stronger than steel if comparing by weight. If you are comparing by volume (ie two things that are the same size and shape) steel is much stronger.
I have 2 aluminium insulated bottles (or are they stainless steal?🤔 don't remember, too many years passed already😅) for carring with me, a glass one at my bedside table and a plastic one to carry around the house😅
Bpa's are just the tip of the iceberg, microplastics are seen in most plastic containers while Tritan (trademark) - growth of the cancer cells from the Tritan extract occurred after the plastic was exposed to the stressed state of simulated sunlight. Only one out of three Tritan products showed estrogen activity in an unstressed state, for instance when they weren't exposed to microwaving, heat, or UV rays. If glass weren't so "fragile" i'll choose it all day
All this debate over the safest material for water bottles seems a bit overblown. After all, the water in your bottle has already passed through steel, copper, and plastic pipes before reaching you. By the time it gets to your water bottle, it has already been exposed to potential contaminants.
False dichotomy. Just because the water's been exposed to contaminants doesn't mean it's not beneficial to further mitigate exposure. On top of that, it's now common to filter or distill one's water to get rid of contaminants, and you don't want all that work that to go to waste by storing it in a container that reintroduces them.
Added problem is micro plastics. The twisting motion of sealing a lid makes micro plastics through friction. It could also happen with rubber. The best sealing method is the old bottles with the wire lever and rubber seal. No twisting motion. The first 316 SS bottle with this seal get's my money.
I’ve wondered about this. But do you know if micro plastics can theoretically be released as long as you have that cap or is there a point, after so much use and washing that the microplastics stop being released? Also wondering bc I’m doing away with plastic single use water bottles, how much better is a plastic cap vs stainless cap? Is it marginal and splitting hairs or truly worth finding stainless?
the amount of micro plastics from our bottle is far from what's polluted our environment and then digested into our system. I'm not saying you're wrong, but if you look at the broader picture it's much more terrifying than just a chipped plastic from our water bottle.
most gaskets are silicone, silicones have much simpler and more resistant (thermally and physically) structure than plastics, they don't work like plastic so no hormonal problems.
It’s a problem no matter what the plastic constantly leaks into the water and if it says BPA free the it’s just leaking BPS or BPF don’t drink from plastic at all if you can
There are double walled 316 SS bottles with 2 18/8 SS caps, one after the other, WITHOUT any rubber, plastic or silicone. The tolerances are tight enough for the water to not leak if shaken upside down.
It's just a bit heavier.
We have come a long way.
The best combination I've ever found is a glass water bottle wrapped with a thick silicone sleeve (plus a stainless steel cap with a silicone seal). Although I've had mine for years and years without issue, I can't seem to find an exact replacement anymore. Hopefully I don't need to
Specifically, I prefer ceramic bottlees with silicone sleeves. None of those metallic or silicone aftertaste and you can accidentally drop those at a reasonable height without worrying about it breaking.
@@wahidpawana424 Interesting. Though I've never actually seen a ceramic water bottle in the wild.
@RoguePC4U it's super rare, and when there is one, it could hold only the size of a drinking glass with a non-threaded silicone lid. Maybe because most ceremic glass/bottle are handmade. I would pay a premium just to get a decently sized ceramic bottle.
but what about a glass bottle with a copper outer coating surrounded by a vacuum chamber of titanium-aluminum alloy fused to said copper coating, with a stainless steel lid and a silicone seal??
Get a purist bottle, it’s with a glass like interior with the same features of glass but unbreakable and because it’s like 60 manometers. It also has a stainless steel exterior.
On stainless steel if you have coffee stains, vinegar, baking soda, and a bottle brush will get rid of it all. And no your drink will not taste like vinegar
Those are oil/wax surface deposits, not stains. They are easy to remove by adding boiling hot vinegar, 1/2 tsp table salt, and 1/2 tsp clear dish detergent and letting the bottle (or coffee urn) sit overnight. They will wipe out with a sponge or paper towel. Alternatively, baking powder is an excellent scouring agent.
I sometimes use a glass peanut butter jar. It’s works and cost nothing. Crochet a bottle wrap for it.
I bought a 4 pack of perrier glass 330ml water bottles they are fairly cheap and I just refill them with tap water and put them into the fridge
I started using Kleen Kanteen bottles about 15 years ago, and have never had a single bad experience. I prefer non-insulated/single wall, because I do sometimes put my bottles in a fire to boil the water. while the fallacy that insulated bottles will "Explode" if you put them in a fire seems to have it's own life, and just won't die. the insulated walls WILL expand, and seams will rupture. not explode, but open the seams to basically ruin the bottle. I don't like plastic ( I have used Nalgene, but don't like them) because not only can you not boil water in them, but if they fall in the wrong way, or on the wrong surface they can crack. this is counter productive in wilderness environments. this is also why I won't have a glass bottle. I have seen Nalgene, and similar bottles break and they always do it at the worst time. several of my Kleen Kanteen bottles have multiple dents, and carbon "burn in" but they work perfectly. As to the "health benefit" claims form ANY product sales company. I don't believe anything I hear/read out of hand. Unless I can find actual credible research, I just don't buy it.
Very good comment, and all good points. I'm planning a video or series later this year to seriously look at some hydration and bottle myths like hydrogen water and structured water. I'm personally skeptical whenever someone claims massive, hard-to-prove benefits like that, so it could be worth a deep dive given all the claims by companies and listing on Amazon. And I hadn't heard about the exploding vacuum bottle myth. Might be worth a video fo its own by doing insulation tests before and after boiling.
this is one of the best videos I have seen! Thank you
Awesome, glad to hear it helped!
Interesting video. I'm a big fan of my stainless steel water bottles, I just wish they didn't get marked up so bad when I drop them. Guess it's better than glass breaking all the time!
Thanks for the comment! You could try a protective sleeve for your stainless steel bottle. They can definitely help.
I've dropped a glass bottle I've had for years a number of times and it didn't break
there is a reason we eat from ceramic plates for the most part and not metal, plastic, or aluminium... obviously there are exceptions... but ceramic and glass are non-porous, heat resistant, and easily cleaned...
Thanks for sharing this information.
I use Kleen Kanteen water bottles and thermoses. They've held up really well. I've got them on my sailboat, and last year I took a water bottle and thermos, as well as a Stanley tip proof mug also SS, on a three month salt water sailing voyage. (Small boat) Zero issues with corrosion.
Often when I'm traveling I'll get a Smart Water so I can reuse the bottle. As soon as they get some wear on them I replace them. Even if the plastic is good, it'll still begin to break down, chaff off (bending and crushing making those white stress lines? That's shedding plastic.
Decades ago I followed the mantra 'You have to get Nalgene, you have to get Nalgene' . Then at REI I noticed that there was at least three completely different types of these bottles. Seemed really suspicious. Medical supply nalgene seems to always be the soft frosted plastic. I don't really know. But why use plastic when you can use stainless steel.
All food cans have plastic linings. Never use a food can as a cooking pot.
Something else about plastic. Every 'safe' plastic seems to be inevitably condemned as toxic, carcinogenic. Take epoxy. 25 years ago it was recommended for use around food and babies. Then bis phenol A was identified as not only a carcinogen, but it basically acts like large random doses of estrogen in our bodies. Epoxy resin is about 90% BP A. Things made out of epoxy are safe, but not for cutting food on, or that a baby might suck on. (Of course we're all still here.... cancer is being cured more and more but the rate of it keeps climbing.)
Cleaning. You've got that plastic Smart Water Bottle. Your trip is only three more days, but it's starting to stink.... what I've done time and time again is wipe as much as you can reach with your finger and a paper towel or cloth through the opening. This seems to clean up 90 percent of whatever is making that smell. (Of course if you're in the middle of a cholera or typhoid outbreak, or someone with Hepatitis just drank from it... don't trust this.) I've never gotten ill.
For stainless I use a bleach cleanser (Comet) and some scrubbing. I've brushed out plastic hummingbird feeders growing big mold spots with a strong bleach solution. The mold always comes back. But when I soak them for a few hours in the bleach solution, the mold doesn't come back. So I soak, lightly brush and rinse. My SS water bottles do great with just the Comet, and only about every three months or so, and mostly to get the coffee build up out.
You missed one type of material. Silver. It kills bacteria. People in the 19th century used silver water canteens. I don't know if the silver leeches, but if you consume a lot of silver you turn deep blue and I guess it never goes away.
well , my family has been using a copper jar to store drinking water for day to day use , for decades now , and there has been no health issues or any special health benefit , its just normal... but when I purchased a modern copper bottle and started using it , I did noticed the colour of my pee becoming much more darker which was not a good sign and hence I stopped using the bottle, one difference i have noticed in the Jar and the bottle i bought was , the jar use to get accumulated with greenish-blue colour in after like 1 or 2 month and my mom would thus clean it with lemon and salt once a month . but with the copper bottle it never happened . this makes me think how authentic the copper bottles in the market really are, or do they add additional layers/chemicals to the bottle.
Thanks for posting this comment. I admit I may have discounted copper more that I should have in this video, and I did that after reading some listings that promised way more benefits than seemed possible. Copper can certainly leach, but there are a lot of factors that play into that like the pH of the liquid, how long the drink is stored, how well the bottle is maintained (like what your mom did), and like you mentioned, it's unlikely that all copper bottles are created or manufactured with the same quality. I haven't seen the same kind of possibly issues or questions with glass or stainless steel, so I'd lean towards those materials personally. But I'm sure I have more to learn about copper bottles, and there are probably more situations where it makes more sense to use than I originally considered.
I think there used to be an electroplated layer of some other material on the bottle, otherwise it would have also developed that greenish blue patches which are essentially due to copper corrosion.
glass is literally goated, i use milton or borosil(brand started by corning and indian scientist) bottles, they are surprisingly strong, one time my friends were doubting its durablity and saying plastics are durable, since then my bottles have fallen many times without any damage, but one of the friends dropped his plastic bottle mid conversation and it broke, spilling water everywhere i found that quite funny.
Could you suggest one of borosil's (or milton's) glass bottle?
It would really help!
@@theqrent really, every one of their bottles are good, just check is they are listed as borosilicate. otherwise they are all same, just different design.
I’ve used them before as well, with a fabric sleeve but I do find borosilicate glass products do break eventually, the price you have to pay for the benefits. My borosil was fine for dropping but cracked when someone dropped a table spoon in 🤷🏻♀️. Still, if you want to transport tea glass is the only way to go imo.
I have the same experience with borosilicate containers. They don't easily break even after falling.
What a great video thanks!
Thanks mate I appreciate the video
The plastic bottle section of the vid isn't exactly accurate. Tritan/"BPA-free" plastic still leaches chemicals with estrogenic effects on the body. From a 2014 study: "Many unstressed and stressed, PC-replacement-products made from acrylic, polystyrene, polyethersulfone, and Tritan™ resins leached chemicals with EA, including products made for use by babies."
He mentions this in the "rankings" section of the video..
That study you referenced was from a biased source. George D Bittner owed a plastic company that made "EA free plastics" based on his definition of EA free. But his company lost a lawsuit after fasely claiming that Tritian had EA.
Tritan is different from other BPA free plastics as it doesn't have BPS & other BPA equivalents.
All Plastic bottles have micro plastic on in it, Bpa's are just the tip of the iceberg even "Tritan"
Bpa's are just the tip of the iceberg, microplastics and Tritan can somehow or possibly cause cancer when exposed to too much sunlight, UV rays , microwaves
growth of the cancer cells from the Tritan extract occurred after the plastic was exposed to the stressed state of simulated sunlight. Only one out of three Tritan products showed estrogen activity in an unstressed state, for instance when they weren't exposed to microwaving, heat, or UV rays.
Yes, BPS and BPF are substituted for BPA, and they’re nearly identical.
Thank you I think Glass Bottles are my way to go❤
If you use the HDPE Nalgene bottle, you can in fact boil them as they were originally used in labs. They are almost impossible to permanently damage by dropping or driving over it. They are lighter than the Tritan Nalgene. I prefer that HDPE over the others. I do use several types of YETI but don't take them hiking; more everyday use. I think mostly it's too expensive to use brand name bottles in public due to loss or theft. Won't be too upset for losing a HDPE Nalgene that cost less than $10 when I bought them. But my workplace provides us w Tritan plastic bottles and Stanley insulated bottles so losing or throwing them away to replace is no big deal.
Thanks for sharing! Many bottles have stainless steel and plastic for the straw part of the bottle. Kinda hard to find one suitable solution.
So true! We talk a lot about options to avoid plastic, but it's usually part of a larger video like it was for this one. Might be helpful for people to have a video where the sole focus is 100% plastic-free options, so that's something we have in the works.
Try Klean Kanteen "TK pro" and "TK wide" series. They are plastic free.
Makes sense glass is the best. It’s used in the scientific field all the time because it can hold almost any chemical and has been around for a long time. I’m surprised silicone really has no downsides, but that’s a good thing if we’re looking for plastic bottle replacements.
The problems with plastics stem from the fact that they are basically carbon chain molecules - the same as proteins and other bioactive components of human body, which means they often interact with it in unforeseen way, like that estrogen mimicking situation video mentioned. Silicone on the other hand is inorganic chain molecule and thus do not have a potential to influence us in such way.
Silicon can get sticky over time.
A friend gave me a Nalgene to try after expressing concern with drinking water from plastic.
I tried it for a week or so and got a strong 'plastic' flavor from the bottle.
I've heard "BPA-free" means they removed the BPA and replaced it with a similar compound. It sounds like you're onto that.
I'm currently looking for a 304 stainless insulated jug with silicone cap.
I don't trust that stuff. Borosilicate glass, or regular "soda glass" bottles for me only. I'm no mountain climber, but my life has plenty of sports and adventure involved. Use good steel if your life depends on it. Otherwise glass is superior.
Smartwater bottle is #1 hiker pick (used over and over until lid breaks). Hoping that benefits from fresh air and exercise offset negatives of plastic.
Fantastic video! I found it very informative. Thank you
Thank you for sharing! What do you think about the material ceramic like Sttoke cup?
No wonder the water tasted better when I used a glass container before. Can't believe I'll be changing all my water bottles to glass now haha
Note: Plastic anything that states BPA free is near certain to have BPS in them - just as bad
The choice of bottles is a bit flawed, if you think about where the water comes from. If you have drinkable tap water, your water will be in contact with pipes a long time as well and you cannot avoid that. If you run it through a filter, you need to make sure it isn't breeding bacteria in the filters what can often happen. So in the end, how much better did you really make the water quality situation? And does it really have a measurable impact. Also, your body should come in contact with bacteria anyway or your immune system will have no training, which is why it's not recommended to use hand sanitizers all the time, as some paranoid people do - not realizing they are harming themselves rather than doing something good. It's all a double edged sword.
Very good comment. There's almost always more to any story, and water quality is a big factor I didn't discuss here. Aging water infrastructure, microplastics, and PFAS are each huge stories that affect most people nowadays regardless of which bottles they use. I've started posting more about topics like these and hope to post more soon. PFAS in particular is a major issue where I live (one of the highest rates of groundwater contamination in the country). But when your drinking water supply is a fixed variable, controlling what you can by deciding which bottle to get can have an impact.
I like my copper water bottle but I only drink out of it a maximum of one bottle per day then I switch to something else like glass. I feel I get some benefit from the copper that way.
Bacteria and mold are probably the biggest issue. Cleaning your water bottle thoroughly and regularly is the best defense. Some bottles have too many books and crannies for microbes to hide.
Some people are allergic to Nickel. In that case normal Stainless like 304, 316 may not be good. 403 is very expensive and hard to come by.
There is a new breed of water bottle that is made of ceramic and with stainless steel outter case. I have been trying to get my hand into one.
This was well done and helpful.
Thanks!
Thanks for the info.😎
No problem 👍
Uncolored HDPE is common, stable and FDA certified as food safe. There are +1500 common plastic compounds, less than 50 that are suitable for molding inexpensive bottles. Few of them contain materials that can leach out and are harmful - including BPA. Ignoring them is throwing out the bottle with the water. Btw stainless steel is not a completely stable material. Itks corrosion resistance comes from forming a grey/tan oxide coating. If stainless it stays shiny then the oxides that it would normally form of nickel and chromium are being leached out into the liquid.
What about ceramic and ceramic coated insulated bottles, are they safe?
Ooh a face reveal! Thank you for the content.
Yea, I successfully avoided it for a long time but thought it was time to try something new!
i drink from a garden hose
😂😂😂
How's that?
How's it going?
Me too
Flavor is unbeatable
What about using alcohol bottles after proper cleaning instead of buying such expensive bottles?
I used to do that! Got weird looks a lot. It's pretty goofy. OK for fridge water at home
Nice, great eye opener! Thanks for sharing.
This is a great content !!❤
yes
I laughed when he said copper is new material used to store water 😂😂😂.......it's been used for meliniums by Eastern civilizations !......also there is specific washing process to be followed for copper bottles. The study he referred to is based on water that passes through rusted pipes, obviously that water will not be good. But if you use a copper bottle and keep it rust free with the specific washing process, you can get immense benefits!
Good bro
Very informative! Thank you for this video
Glad it was helpful!
@@bottlepro3252 how about ceramic bottle from Japanese brands?
Interesting video. But about silicone, I have bought a silicone ice cube tray/maker, all the ice produced these white stuff when melt into water. Maybe it was some non brand on Amazon, but I’m not trusting any drinking silicone product until proven otherwise.
Thank you for the comment. That sounds disgusting. I'm assuming you washed it well before use, and if the ice was discolored after that then it's definitely a concern. Sounds like a manufacturer issue maybe? If more people have had issues like this, I hope they'll comment so I can have a better idea if this is more common and then update this video if needed.
I experienced this issue with silicone ice cube trays from Tovolo. I threw them out and decided not to purchase any other silicone.
This was super helpful. Thank you for sharing!! I have been using plastic bottles etc.. and I DO NOT want to use them anymore so it sounds like glass is a great option. (What are your thoughts about the Stanley Stainless Steel bottles) ? I see them all over.
Skip. They leak.
Edit: Also, Stanley has lead.
@@renda4806 You got a source to that claim?
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Stainless steel can leach nickel which can be highly toxic. I had a bio comp metal test and I am extremely sensitive to it . I was putting lemon in my water as well and it was causing me a lot of pain. I switched to glass and feel much better .
Why are the lids and bottles made of plastic when research is showing how much plastic humans ingest from plastic water bottles? Especially the lids, as these screw tops shed heaps of microscopic plastic bits from the surfaces rubbing together. Steel tops would be a lot better.
It’s cheap
@@Luca-mc2fbexactly. cheap. maximizing profit.
Kinda practical…what’s the alternative?
@@ReboneMora As I said originally, steel on steel screw tops would be better.
BPA free plastic normally means it contains an alternative like BPS that is chemically very similar and has the same problems
Tritan is the most common plastic in bottles now, and it's allegedly free of BPS too from what I read. But I also remember reading that BPS is, like you mentioned, a substitute in other non-tritan plastics like food packaging. Overall, I definitely don't fault someone for avoiding plastics, including tritan, as much as possible since the science seems to be finding out more concerns every few years.
@@bottlepro3252 if it does not have BPS then it probably has BPF. Manufacturers just keep using the next chemical in the family and wait for others to determine if it has any harmful effects.
Recommend you get to the point and say the recommendations upfront at the beginning of the video and then say if they want more details about the type of bottles that the audience maybe using they should review the rest of the video.... thank you about this very important review.
Thank you for your comment. After I read your comment I fast forward this video to where I want to listen to .
thank you for this! im kind of curious, though, there's this growing trend with ceramic coated bottles that claims to be better in removing unwanted tastes. curious on your thoughts on it
I have a stainless steel (304) bottle with a stainless steel lid. It has a silicon ring . So far, it's been great ❤👍
Thanks a lot for this type of informative video!
1:20 is that a toilet brush? 😂 That made me chuckle.
Don't mix them up!
What about ceramic lining in the bottle? Can it be a healthy option?
Choices are very easy. SS or glass.
a lot of which have plastic lids. but drinking from plastic is still better than dehydration
Yea most lids have plastic underneath unfortunately. I have a video coming up in a month or two that'll focus on sharing the bottles I know of that have stainless steel under the lid.
Hello, Tritan is not new it was found in 2007 and I don't think there are any concerns about it.
Thank you, best comparison video. Been looking to buy a titanium water bottle, but the price is so expensive. 😢
The feel of glass is by far the best but I am sure I will break it sooner or later.
Titanium looks like the best bet as I exclusively use my bottle for drinking water but alas, the price is off the charts
I won't mind stainless steel but it gets dents and usually comes insulated which makes it heavier and bigger for my purposes
All good points. I'm hoping to find a cheaper titanium option at some point because it looks like a really good material, and I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing more bottles made out of it within the next few years. Maybe I'll get one as a celebration when we hopefully get to 1000 subs, haha.
@@bottlepro3252 What about the plastic lid on stainless steel water bottles? Is it somthing to be consired about?
For silicone bottles- alot of bottles will use plastice around the rim and on the cap. Que is the only silicone water bottle I've seen that uses a stainless steel topper.
What is your opinion on tar lined stone amphora?
how about ceramic water bottles? I imagine they're a bit fragile but overall good? would love to know your thoughts.
Yea, that's on my list for sure, and I'm curious like you are about whether the ceramic lining might crack on the inside if the bottle is dropped. I'm hoping to buy a few of those bottles later this year to try them out.
Thanks for the information.
Inner Glass outer plastic would be good?
thank you for sharing , it's really help! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I use glass bottle. Easy to clean always safe. Use a glass jar is best. Thank you best wishes to all 💐
I only use glass with stainless steel or glass lids. I figure that glass is recyclable so best for environment
How about copper lined stainless steel made by indigo
How about ceramic?
Great video, thank you
Problem is, manufacturers just went to BPS after BPA was banned. You need phthalate free plastics, and likely even non-phthalate free ones might be contaminated if produced in a place that produced BPA like plastics.
you should have mentioned about pure silver too.
Thank u for good advices
You can research more about copper. Your information about seems incomplete. Moderation is the key with copper.
Traditionally, gold, silver and copper metals are used as drinking vessel and it's good absorb them on regular basis in correct quantity.
But great video thanks.
Thanks for the comment. I've been hearing from a few people about copper. The Washington Dept of Health link I referenced mentioned how it's essential in diets so I agree about having the right amount and moderation is key. But having said that, it did seem like a lot of the copper bottle brands I saw on Amazon though were promising way more benefits than what proper copper intake might provide, so I didn't feel comfortable recommending them.
Nice, very informative.
Great info, I don't just subscribe anyone and subscribed to you, so that means something. Very informative, keep it up!
Awesome, thanks for the comment and for subscribing!
Am always confused between stainless steel vs thermosteel? Which one is best to prefer?
My understanding is that thermosteel is just another term for dual-wall vacuum insulated bottles that some companies use for branding/marketing, but I could be wrong. I haven't looked into them much to see if there are actual differences in the material or construction, so hopefully someone can comment below who knows more. If they are different, that could be a cool topic for an insulation test!
thank you 🤛🏽
SIGG also well known for one of bigest glass waterbotles (0,85L) with stainless steel lids.
Thank you, it is a very informative video, we learned a lot.❤😊
Through-hikers often use smart water bottles for months at a time without ever washing them.
We got a nice information... about types of materials
What a great content, what about ceramic water bottles?
Thank you! I'm hoping to cover those later this year.
Similar to glass but probably more heavy and chips. Corningware ceramic glass could be cool. Doesn't exist
Even if the plastic bottle is BPA free, it still may not be safe to use. Scientists are not yet aware of a foodsafe plastic. PBS, a common replacement for BPA can be just as or more endocrine disrupting than BPA
me drinking from clay pottery and goat leather: plastic lmao
For plastic BPA-free bottles:
1. Did they replace BPA with some other toxic chemical? (Don't know that's why I'm asking).
2. Is the bottle truly BPA-free? Especially in non-Western countries. We see water bottles being advertised as BPA-free but since they are cheap and made in China .. who knows?
you havent talked about mud water bottles, which are the best material to store water
Like clay tumblers? My understanding is that as long as they are fired with food-safe glaze, then they should be OK. But unfired clay and certain glazes might not be food safe, for example it could leach iron out of certain clays that have high iron content. I haven't looked into it much yet though, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Just 3 hours ago I ordered that brush you recommended…but just the main brush. Now I have to order the lid cleaner separately!😫
I southern europe we traditionally drink water from purposed made, clay jugs called porron.
Thank you, I hadn't heard of those. That's a really interesting looking shape. I see more glass options online. Is it more traditionally ceramic/clay and not glass?
Most needed video, tnx.
Glad it was helpful!
Titanium is only stronger than steel if comparing by weight. If you are comparing by volume (ie two things that are the same size and shape) steel is much stronger.
Most older houses have copper water pipes. Most newer houses have pex, which is a type of plastic. Which is better?
Use a water filter for either.
Thank you for the information. It was kind of shock for me to see a channel name bottle 😀
I have 2 aluminium insulated bottles (or are they stainless steal?🤔 don't remember, too many years passed already😅) for carring with me, a glass one at my bedside table and a plastic one to carry around the house😅
What about ceramic coated bottles?
Can we clean our bottles with Peroxide or Alcohol & then rinse them off afterwards?
What about BPS, BPF etc etc
My girls and I can not drink out of stainless steel water bottles. Now I know why... we are all allergic to nickel. UGH!
Bpa's are just the tip of the iceberg, microplastics are seen in most plastic containers while Tritan (trademark) -
growth of the cancer cells from the Tritan extract occurred after the plastic was exposed to the stressed state of simulated sunlight. Only one out of three Tritan products showed estrogen activity in an unstressed state, for instance when they weren't exposed to microwaving, heat, or UV rays.
If glass weren't so "fragile" i'll choose it all day
Microplastics are one of the biggest stories to follow moving forward imo
All this debate over the safest material for water bottles seems a bit overblown. After all, the water in your bottle has already passed through steel, copper, and plastic pipes before reaching you. By the time it gets to your water bottle, it has already been exposed to potential contaminants.
False dichotomy. Just because the water's been exposed to contaminants doesn't mean it's not beneficial to further mitigate exposure. On top of that, it's now common to filter or distill one's water to get rid of contaminants, and you don't want all that work that to go to waste by storing it in a container that reintroduces them.
Not my water many of us use a reverse osmosis filter before putting it in the bottle to take to work or wherever we are going
Ceramic lined thermos is the best
I bought a bottle and it's worth it I bought something at searse weights but they closed some searse before I bought a juicer also at searse healthy
thanks man, stainless steel it is
hard to go wrong with them
Stainless steel and glass are best!