As a bisexual man born in 2001: I thank everyone who started the fight for our rights! You are Heroes! Also, this year, 2019, my country Austria finally allowed gay Marriage too. :D
What is missing from this documentary and all others that I have seen is that the issue of racism within the gay community is not acknowledged or addressed. I am a 62-year-old black gay man, and as a young man I experienced a great deal of racism once I began to explore my own homosexuality. Coming in contact with other gays for the first time in a predominately white Santa Barbara California where I was attending University, I, naively, thought that this group who had been so oppressed would embrace me as one of them without my race being an issue. However, I was soon to realize, even after leaving Santa Barbara, that within the gay communities of California at least, there existed the same virulent hatred and exclusion that was and is part of the fabric of the rest of the country. I am not referring to who an individual is sexually attracted to, that is their business and I don't personally consider that an example of racism, but more a matter of social conditioning. I am referring to the institutional racism that existed at the time that barred me from entering certain gay establishments by requiring I show more than one I.D. while whites were allowed in after showing just one; as well as, bartenders who would ignore me when I went to the bar, having drinks purposely spilled on me, and a myriad of other things attempted that I will not relate here. There was, and maybe still is to some degree, a great deal of segregation within the gay community, with clubs that were referred to as black clubs or Latino clubs, etc. However, these clubs were not exclusive, one would always see at least a handful of whites within the "black" clubs and they were never to my knowledge treated with derision because of their race. I know things have gotten better, but just as this documentary focuses on the struggles and victories of the homosexual community over the hatred and misunderstanding from the outside, there should also be an acknowledgment of the progress and continuing efforts to break down the hatred and prejudice that lives within.
Wow! That was deep! Well said!!! I can't even begin to think how to respond to such a deep hearted, knowledgeable, Well rounded response to what you just said! I only hope and pray that society continues to rise up in some areas, more so in others, and I hope that more ppl can start to love the right way, for the right reasons., like yourself...........Be well, and once again..........i respect and appreciate what you said! WELL DONE! ❤❤❤🇨🇦
It is sad that even your fellow gays will not embrace each other, including racially! I am a 62 year old white gay male, who loves the company of black men, I adore them! Yes, there is still a racial divide in the gay world, but thankfully it is getting smaller and smaller as time progresses. Eventually and hopefully, we gays will all learn to love each other, no matter how old we are, how we look, or our race.
You don't get to say institutional racism is real when all the examples you have to point at are 5 decades old at an absolute minimum. Nobody every talks about racism? Really? It's all you whine losers talk about.
No one says that Judy's death started the riot... its along the lines that many fans of her were already upset and mourning her death... so when the raid happened they were already on the edge
the fight is far from over, as long as religions and sects expressed their hatred, as long as fascists and dictators have power and trampling on basic human rights... the fight for recognition and equal treatment must continue. I don't need to mention the countries in Asia, Africa, the Eastern Bloc states, the Evangeliban, the Taliban, the Catholiban, the ordotox... they are well known... and human rights must be fought for against them - don't let them get you down
In my opinion I believe we have become a bit complacent since we really have to fight for as much as our predecessors did. We have a lot issues we have to solve within the LGBTQ+ community such as our own discrimination towards our fellow people who are fighting for the same struggle. I believe if we can solve our inward issues our outward issues will be precise and there will be nothing held against the community as a whole. Again my opinion and I hope it made sense lol. xoxo
yeah, biphobia transphobia and acephobia is still horribly common in our communities, we're on solid footing when it comes to fighting against our outer threats now so I do believe that we should be putting more effort into self reflection, if we do that we will become more united as a community and an even more powerful force to fight against those outside our community who want us gone
Judy Garlands funeral was attended by many of the gay people involved in the Stonewall Riots mere hours before the police raided the joint. I knew several people who were there and was told by at least two that her death and funeral were likely a factor, the cops just picked the wrong night to raid the place, those queens had already had enough from the cops, that combined with the grief of losing a famous icon to the gay community pushed them over the edge. This is what I was told by people that were there. I was told this around 1977 in NYC at the Ninth Circle over cocktails.
Allies are powerful to build our numbers despite us being less than 10% of the population. Based on the information I gathered about her, it reminds me of my mother.
Interesting to watch exactly the way this happened, sometime there are exaggeration and distort the story. The main reason these people got tired with the discrimination and treatment and thought back. However, its "phenomenal " how the movement as grown over 50 years. The face of LGBTQ is a lot different now.. than previous and was very closeted and this would have had impact in main areas of life Been a pleasure to watch
I don't understand why people don't even understand today that gay rights is human rights. We all humans of this planet and we should all love each other with respect and love. That's all we're talking about is love. I am a straight man but I grew up with gay friends and transgender friends. I live now in Idaho which is a bit bizarre just even for me but I still have many friends of all sexual orientations. Not trying to point that outer in any way but what I'm saying is that my mother was a straight woman did not raise me to be hating on someone of a different sexual orientation but I also grew up in the Bay area California San Jose to be exact. And my mom had many friends from all nationalities in all sexual orientations and we celebrated life always and she never ever said it was okay for me to be mean to other people for any reason. I thank her for that because had she been the other way and taught me to hate people then I would never know really good people in my life and I have a lot of really great people in my life awesome people to be exact. And I hear people talk about tolerance and it's like tolerance just accept people for people tolerance is like it's almost like a slap in the face that word you tolerate somebody I mean I think about that and I think I don't tolerate anybody I either like you or I don't like you so it has nothing to do with race or sexual orientation. But I also view life as how would I want to be treated. And my father always told me do onto others as you would upon yourself and so I just try to live that way. Sorry I just kept putting my two cents out there I might get a lot of hate but I don't care people need to speak up and I've been speaking up for a very long time I'm 50 years old and I will continue to speak up for anyone
Yeah but Judy was a major friend of gays and drag queens, something pretty rare at the time, so her death left a hole that fueled the flames of revolution. Of course we shouldn't reduce Stonewall to the correlation but it certainly contributed to the breaking point.
Marsha P. Johnson was recorded on tape which is available at "Making Gay History" Podcast season 2 episode 1 in which Johnson states not ariving at the Village untill 2 AM when the riot was slowing down and having to ask what was going on. Johnson also stated elsewhere and to Rivera's face that Rivera was not at Stonewall, and not even downtown until going to a Gay Liberation Front meeting a couple weeks later.
It's all based on a lie thou. They acknowledged as much in this documentary. The bar was illegal, run by the mob, and didn't have a liquor license. That is why it was raised on a regular basis, not because it was a gay bar.
explain why the all gay bars had to be run by the mafia (I'll give you a hint. it's because we were illegal and could only gather in spaces that would accept us, the mafia knew gay bars were very profitable so they were the only ones that would give us those places)
That doesnt change the fact that gay people at the bar were attacked and discriminated against. The actual location of the incident doesn't matter - this could've happened anywhere and it would just have a different name and place.
@YourPalKindred they weren't attacked and discriminated against, it was an illegal bar, the police enforce the law, they didn't discriminate they followed the law and enforce it. The patrons just happen to be gay.
Repent while you still have a chance. Other countries would punish them. I will NOT identify countries that ban LGBTs. It's not just Saudi Arabia. There are others too.
I've been asking persons my age (I'm one year older than Seagle) and no one outside New York heard about Stonewall for weeks afterward. What they remember is the formation of the Homosexual Movement ie the GLF and the GAA.
We get the joke that new Zealand is always left of the map but nz was one of the first country's to legalize gay marriage, so leaving it white is really frustrating
there was but stonewall is seen as the turning point, it's like how the killing of George Floyd was the last straw for the fight against police brutality. it was a message that no one could ignore, after this point the gay liberation movement started to gain traction for the first time, however sadly that wave of the movement was ended when the American government genocided our people during the aids epidemic by refusing to research a cure
@@cornblaster7003you do know they destroyed Black owned businesses in the 2020 summer of love I remember seeing this one black women crying because her business was destroyed by blm
Strictly as a gay movement gay, bisexual, and lesbian has to do with who you love. Trans has to do with what you think you are. So I dont really count them as part of the LGB community. They should make their own because their struggles are not the same
@@ze9614 Homosexual transsexuals were, cross dressing heterosexual males couldn’t stand the gay scene. As for the riot, Marsha turned up late. Do a little research of your own into Martin Rothblat.
@@ze9614 No that was wrong, the person in question whom you're talking about is actually a man and he identifies as one, and the person who started the riot was actually a lesbian who fought back.
And it will keep on getting nauseating, because of the foolishness of the American legal system back in the 60s and the mentality of the God botherers. So if you want to complain about it complain at the idiots responsible for it.
Maybe a shitshow for you. If you can't handle people being different then move to Antarctica, because *newsflash* everyone is different from one another.
Always doesn't exist, as in 5 billion years from now, the sun will run out of fuel, and if by then we haven't discovered FTL to terraform and colonize other solar systems(provided we aren't extinct due to our own greed), there won't be any more man woman or birth. It's that mentality of yours along with the constant God bothering that sparked this movement, so congratulations in being your own worst enemy.
1) It wasn't always like that. The oldest recorded gay couple, Khnumhotep and Niamkhknum, existed 2400 years before the birth of your prophet. 2) why should I accept someone as my "Savior" who doesn't accept me as I am? Why should I pray to someone like that?
As a bisexual man born in 2001: I thank everyone who started the fight for our rights! You are Heroes!
Also, this year, 2019, my country Austria finally allowed gay Marriage too. :D
Indeed!! They are symbols of brave, independent strength yet they taught how to love together!! 💋💋💋
@@rosejanet4066 They are only brave if they are gay, if I was gay I lot of ppl will love me, in 2020 is mostly stupid now
I Hope One day Italy Will that too.
@@totidabear5245 yeah I agree, this world and it's society is doomed.
LGBTQ is another way for other people to choose there disability
I always have to tell people that they should give thanks to the elders who brought us where to we are now.
What is missing from this documentary and all others that I have seen is that the issue of racism within the gay community is not acknowledged or addressed. I am a 62-year-old black gay man, and as a young man I experienced a great deal of racism once I began to explore my own homosexuality. Coming in contact with other gays for the first time in a predominately white Santa Barbara California where I was attending University, I, naively, thought that this group who had been so oppressed would embrace me as one of them without my race being an issue. However, I was soon to realize, even after leaving Santa Barbara, that within the gay communities of California at least, there existed the same virulent hatred and exclusion that was and is part of the fabric of the rest of the country. I am not referring to who an individual is sexually attracted to, that is their business and I don't personally consider that an example of racism, but more a matter of social conditioning. I am referring to the institutional racism that existed at the time that barred me from entering certain gay establishments by requiring I show more than one I.D. while whites were allowed in after showing just one; as well as, bartenders who would ignore me when I went to the bar, having drinks purposely spilled on me, and a myriad of other things attempted that I will not relate here. There was, and maybe still is to some degree, a great deal of segregation within the gay community, with clubs that were referred to as black clubs or Latino clubs, etc. However, these clubs were not exclusive, one would always see at least a handful of whites within the "black" clubs and they were never to my knowledge treated with derision because of their race. I know things have gotten better, but just as this documentary focuses on the struggles and victories of the homosexual community over the hatred and misunderstanding from the outside, there should also be an acknowledgment of the progress and continuing efforts to break down the hatred and prejudice that lives within.
i think inside edition did a good stonewall mini doc that mentions the racism in the gay community back then
Wow! That was deep! Well said!!! I can't even begin to think how to respond to such a deep hearted, knowledgeable,
Well rounded response to what you just said! I only hope and pray that society continues to rise up in some areas, more so in others, and I hope that more ppl can start to love the right way, for the right reasons., like yourself...........Be well, and once again..........i respect and appreciate what you said! WELL DONE! ❤❤❤🇨🇦
Yes, I agree. I condemn the racist actions & that there are some bad apples.
It is sad that even your fellow gays will not embrace each other, including racially! I am a 62 year old white gay male, who loves the company of black men, I adore them! Yes, there is still a racial divide in the gay world, but thankfully it is getting smaller and smaller as time progresses. Eventually and hopefully, we gays will all learn to love each other, no matter how old we are, how we look, or our race.
You don't get to say institutional racism is real when all the examples you have to point at are 5 decades old at an absolute minimum. Nobody every talks about racism? Really? It's all you whine losers talk about.
No one says that Judy's death started the riot... its along the lines that many fans of her were already upset and mourning her death... so when the raid happened they were already on the edge
Out since '68; proud of my brothers and sisters since Stonewall!!
💜🌈💜
@@travisbrockton3163 nope impossible male female intersex thats it! ;)
@garbage person is it not in Germany?
Thank you! I was only born in 2001. Without people like you, @Brook Eggleston, I would have a much harder time.
the fight is far from over,
as long as religions and sects expressed their hatred, as long as fascists and dictators have power
and trampling on basic human rights... the fight for recognition and equal treatment must continue.
I don't need to mention the countries in Asia, Africa, the Eastern Bloc states, the Evangeliban, the Taliban, the Catholiban, the ordotox... they are well known...
and human rights must be fought for against them - don't let them get you down
In my opinion I believe we have become a bit complacent since we really have to fight for as much as our predecessors did. We have a lot issues we have to solve within the LGBTQ+ community such as our own discrimination towards our fellow people who are fighting for the same struggle. I believe if we can solve our inward issues our outward issues will be precise and there will be nothing held against the community as a whole. Again my opinion and I hope it made sense lol. xoxo
yeah, biphobia transphobia and acephobia is still horribly common in our communities, we're on solid footing when it comes to fighting against our outer threats now so I do believe that we should be putting more effort into self reflection, if we do that we will become more united as a community and an even more powerful force to fight against those outside our community who want us gone
Can you shut up you have the right to vote now
But guess what pepole with autism and special needs can’t vote
Then fight mfs stop crying and FIGHT
Judy Garlands funeral was attended by many of the gay people involved in the Stonewall Riots mere hours before the police raided the joint.
I knew several people who were there and was told by at least two that her death and funeral were likely a factor, the cops just picked the wrong night to raid the place, those queens had already had enough from the cops, that combined with the grief of losing a famous icon to the gay community pushed them over the edge. This is what I was told by people that were there. I was told this around 1977 in NYC at the Ninth Circle over cocktails.
Gross
Allies are powerful to build our numbers despite us being less than 10% of the population. Based on the information I gathered about her, it reminds me of my mother.
Stonewall is the reason I have a chance to get married
Same.
Now the only thing I need is a man to marry!
Same too
@@thatoneguynextdoor8794 pffft same man. same.
Samey
Interesting to watch exactly the way this happened, sometime there are exaggeration and distort the story. The main reason these people got tired with the discrimination and treatment and thought back. However, its "phenomenal " how the movement as grown over 50 years. The face of LGBTQ is a lot different now.. than previous and was very closeted and this would have had impact in main areas of life
Been a pleasure to watch
In the map of LGBTQIA Rights you accidentally omitted New Zealand.
And Austria, which legalized it on 1. January 2019
I wish there were more gay bars around and i hope that some day there would be lgbtq lodges around
There were a lot more gay bars in the 80s than there are now... ALOT more!
That's because it was hard to be gay in the general public, today, not so much.
Posting this on my page . Thanks
Stuff like this makes me proud to be a New Yorker. No other place on Earth managed to influence global cultural shifts quite like NYC.
I don't understand why people don't even understand today that gay rights is human rights. We all humans of this planet and we should all love each other with respect and love. That's all we're talking about is love. I am a straight man but I grew up with gay friends and transgender friends. I live now in Idaho which is a bit bizarre just even for me but I still have many friends of all sexual orientations. Not trying to point that outer in any way but what I'm saying is that my mother was a straight woman did not raise me to be hating on someone of a different sexual orientation but I also grew up in the Bay area California San Jose to be exact. And my mom had many friends from all nationalities in all sexual orientations and we celebrated life always and she never ever said it was okay for me to be mean to other people for any reason. I thank her for that because had she been the other way and taught me to hate people then I would never know really good people in my life and I have a lot of really great people in my life awesome people to be exact. And I hear people talk about tolerance and it's like tolerance just accept people for people tolerance is like it's almost like a slap in the face that word you tolerate somebody I mean I think about that and I think I don't tolerate anybody I either like you or I don't like you so it has nothing to do with race or sexual orientation. But I also view life as how would I want to be treated. And my father always told me do onto others as you would upon yourself and so I just try to live that way. Sorry I just kept putting my two cents out there I might get a lot of hate but I don't care people need to speak up and I've been speaking up for a very long time I'm 50 years old and I will continue to speak up for anyone
Yeah but Judy was a major friend of gays and drag queens, something pretty rare at the time, so her death left a hole that fueled the flames of revolution. Of course we shouldn't reduce Stonewall to the correlation but it certainly contributed to the breaking point.
Marsha P. Johnson was recorded on tape which is available at "Making Gay History" Podcast season 2 episode 1 in which Johnson states not ariving at the Village untill 2 AM when the riot was slowing down and having to ask what was going on. Johnson also stated elsewhere and to Rivera's face that Rivera was not at Stonewall, and not even downtown until going to a Gay Liberation Front meeting a couple weeks later.
All I gotta say is not all soldiers who fight for our rights ware a uniform and carry a gun.
Gay marriage !!!!!!
It's all based on a lie thou. They acknowledged as much in this documentary.
The bar was illegal, run by the mob, and didn't have a liquor license.
That is why it was raised on a regular basis, not because it was a gay bar.
explain why the all gay bars had to be run by the mafia (I'll give you a hint. it's because we were illegal and could only gather in spaces that would accept us, the mafia knew gay bars were very profitable so they were the only ones that would give us those places)
That doesnt change the fact that gay people at the bar were attacked and discriminated against. The actual location of the incident doesn't matter - this could've happened anywhere and it would just have a different name and place.
@YourPalKindred they weren't attacked and discriminated against, it was an illegal bar, the police enforce the law, they didn't discriminate they followed the law and enforce it. The patrons just happen to be gay.
y'know france legalized it way before most
*Gay or European*
Repent while you still have a chance. Other countries would punish them. I will NOT identify countries that ban LGBTs. It's not just Saudi Arabia. There are others too.
no way its my lgbtq homies :D
Also switzerland legalized gay rights :D
I've been asking persons my age (I'm one year older than Seagle) and no one outside New York heard about Stonewall for weeks afterward. What they remember is the formation of the Homosexual Movement ie the GLF and the GAA.
We get the joke that new Zealand is always left of the map but nz was one of the first country's to legalize gay marriage, so leaving it white is really frustrating
Say thanks to our heros 🥳🌈
was their not a gay rights movement prior to stonewall?
there was but stonewall is seen as the turning point, it's like how the killing of George Floyd was the last straw for the fight against police brutality. it was a message that no one could ignore, after this point the gay liberation movement started to gain traction for the first time, however sadly that wave of the movement was ended when the American government genocided our people during the aids epidemic by refusing to research a cure
Not really an organized one with a clear goal
@@manyulgarprsch you lie!
Why do you lie?
@@cornblaster7003you do know they destroyed Black owned businesses in the 2020 summer of love I remember seeing this one black women crying because her business was destroyed by blm
I don’t agree with your premise!
Where are the straights🤔🤨🧐
GAY PRIDE!!!
Strictly as a gay movement gay, bisexual, and lesbian has to do with who you love. Trans has to do with what you think you are. So I dont really count them as part of the LGB community. They should make their own because their struggles are not the same
Trans people have always been part of the lgbtq community, it was a trans woman who helped start pride.
@@ze9614 Homosexual transsexuals were, cross dressing heterosexual males couldn’t stand the gay scene. As for the riot, Marsha turned up late. Do a little research of your own into Martin Rothblat.
@@ze9614 No that was wrong, the person in question whom you're talking about is actually a man and he identifies as one, and the person who started the riot was actually a lesbian who fought back.
dude, we must all march united under the rainbow, such infighting only hurts the cause and emboldens our enemies
Unfortunately for you, we are part of the LGBTQIA 😊 cry more, traitor
Sorry but the Gay Rights Movement, did not begin with Stonewall!
ENOUGH of the "gay pride" already, it's getting nauseating.
Sorry, It isnt like its the 50th anniversary of us being able to live
Why you gagging so... we bring it to you every damn day
And it will keep on getting nauseating, because of the foolishness of the American legal system back in the 60s and the mentality of the God botherers.
So if you want to complain about it complain at the idiots responsible for it.
Sorry darling, deal with it, they won't stop
we won't stop until we are allowed to exist everywhere in the world
Gays are special... they deserve all the respect and resources of all taxpayers and govt officials.
@@jabaribrown5608
Sorry to say but that was sarcasm....
Tony R oh
Tony R literally all we want is equality. Makes me laugh how you twist it so much.
Special in what way?
we just want protections to make sure we are always going to be equal ahole
3:20
3:18
Rupaul needs to research his gay history
"Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness... --Isaiah 5:20
We aren't scared of a book but keep trying
oh so that's where the shitshow we have today started
Maybe a shitshow for you. If you can't handle people being different then move to Antarctica, because *newsflash* everyone is different from one another.
Cancion dedicada a los que no respetan a la cumunidad gay. Fangoria. ( de que me culpas ? ) video clip 😘👭👬👪👫👍
They were really lucky these people not to be in the middle east. I'm dead serious.
So, what's your point?
I’m born in the Middle East - can confirm
Man Woman Birth Death Infinity -- -- -- always has been - always will be
aight cissie
@@healedatonce Grow up ---- time is short - repent -- accept Christ as your Savior - your mom and grandma would be proud of you.
@@majortom1950 i wont but thanks for the offer
Always doesn't exist, as in 5 billion years from now, the sun will run out of fuel, and if by then we haven't discovered FTL to terraform and colonize other solar systems(provided we aren't extinct due to our own greed), there won't be any more man woman or birth.
It's that mentality of yours along with the constant God bothering that sparked this movement, so congratulations in being your own worst enemy.
1) It wasn't always like that. The oldest recorded gay couple, Khnumhotep and Niamkhknum, existed 2400 years before the birth of your prophet.
2) why should I accept someone as my "Savior" who doesn't accept me as I am? Why should I pray to someone like that?
The beginning of the downfall of mankind
Grow up lmao
cope you incel
Get gud
@@harrytroglodyte2129 hell is forever
@nealmcbaggins127 Like from Hazbin Hotel?