When you look at the numbers Klay was putting up compared to a post prime Kareem with Magic it’s not a great take. Scottie isn’t Kareem either but he was the best or top 2 way player for the bulls team. And that’s what Klay did for the GSW.
@@2cents250 Klay is a star role player, not a superstar, or perennial all NBA player. KAJ is a top 10 player, and was still an All NBA? All defense player right in the middle of Magic's prime in the mid 80s. He won a FMVP at 37, and All NBA 1st team player at 38. Let's not compare the two as if Klay was even as great as KAJ when he was a middle aged man.
they played each other 4 times in the fianls, and lebron was VERY clearly the best player in all 4. nothing that curry can do, whether it be another chip or mvp or whatever, will put curry above lebron
@@carlosvaldes5695 dont mention superteam as a way to defend steph. And no one will ever forget how historically bad he is in clutch situations along with the fact that he blew a 3-1 lead to Lebron after winning 73 Games.
I think bro named Leaf that Steph runs have alot of injuries which is such a bad point because there’s injuries in EVERY run. So that shit don’t matter
Media brainwashing at its finest lol they can’t even acknowledge LeBron had more help in Cleveland. Kyrie can do ALL THE SAME SHIT STEPH CAN DO literally but somehow LeBron and his all star team are underdogs
Whats crazy to me is no one wanted to give 30 his credit when KD was on the team...they hated GSW down for two seasons when klay was out and then when Steph was hurt for the entire damn season pretty much...next season we come back and win the chip and this man still can't get his just due...people are just weird as hell, i swear.
“All 4 runs came with key injuries”… And all 4 years they haven’t won since their first one came with key injuries. Every year injuries happen, this is how you essentially forfeit an argument. Just as easy to say factually “When healthy Warriors have won every finals since 2014-15 season” and then jump to the extreme conclusions like “they coulda had 8 if not for injuries, and Bron woulda never won with Cleveland in 2016, and Kawhi woulda lost in 2019, and maybe KD never leaves and has 6 rings in a row”. Mindless exercise in futility.
@@dwhite-pu1ot if you have him #1 i wouldnt say no. I would just have a better argument for jordan. Even if you half bill russells rings he still has 6
THE STUPIDITY ANYTHING TO DISCREDIT LEBRON😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Lebron took 2007 2018 Cavs to the finals by himself. So that superteam argument irrelevant. 2015 cavs was injuries with kyrie and kevin love. Next year a HEALTHY cavs team beat a 73-9 team up 3-1. MADE STEPH CURRY CRY CALLED KD PLEASE HELP ME. 😂 stop it
@@m.j.w.2876 how gsw had mo talent on they team gsw 4th best player was iggy Cavs was Tristan also gsw had bogut n Shaun Livingston Cavs after Tristan is shumpert n Jr come now
No he didn't. First: Kareem was giving Magic 16/6 in '87 and '88. Those aren't Kareem numbers and just because he was still on the roster doesn't mean that he was actually still him. Second: he is acting like Klay in 2016 wasn't all that. The guy was 12th in scoring in the regular season, 7th in the postseason (excluding players that only played one series) and was giving only 1 less point than Steph. Kevin Love was a 14/9 player on 39% from the field in that 2016 playoffs. Is that a franchise player? The guy that averaged 15/10 on 40 FG% in his playoff career? No he wasn't, come on now.
@@MylesLeft 17.5 and 6.7, what a stat line that is for Kareem. If his name was anything else no one would argue: ‘he needed Kareem’. In 88 it was 15 and 6, that still great?
I agree with him. He had points and his points were valid. There’s a legit argument there. I’ve been saying that if GS would’ve lost in 2015 if the Cavs were healthy, why did the series go down 3-1 when they ran it back with a healthy team. Why did the series go down 3 to 1 when they were both healthy? That tells me even if the Cavs were healthy, at minimum they’re going to a game 7. When they added KD, it was considered unfair because Stephen Curry was still on that team. It was because of how Great of a Player KD was and then how great of a player Stephen Curry was. If your really believe “Strength in Numbers” was the reason they won, Remove Steph and have Damian Lillard or another great shooting Point Guard at the time switch places with Steph. The Value Steph adds to GS is like none other. That’s why I believe that if GS is healthy any Year since 2015 and everyone plays with no suspensions, they win up till now. Which would give Steph I think 7 rings. Say what you want, but a healthy GS where everyone plays, has never seen a Game 7. (Please don’t add shit to my comment that I didn’t say, only use what I said to rebuttal to against me.) Also I do think they need to bring him back if he’s going to continue to make sense, the moment he says something so outta pocket and thoroughly believes it with any solid reasoning, he’s just a casual delusional fan. Shoutout to him though for actually making sense
So the warriors can’t get better from 2015 to 2016 ? Like 2016 is the 73-9 team 😂 and I’m a warriors fan 😂 like why are we knocking bron and them for going down 3-1 like they came back and beat us so why does it matter 😂😂
@@dwhite-pu1ot first off your a bron fan in hiding. Second, 73-9 doesn’t mean shit, that just means they had the best synergy and chemistry in the league lead by a transcendent superstar that’s it. The 16 warriors are a regular ass team that actually played in a real system where the cavs were playing your turn my turn which never works against a real championship level team
Thinking about it, if Steph won in 2016 I would have him as a lock top 10, even with less finals appearances if KD doesn't join GSW. Beating prime Lebron with a healthy team is huge. I would also put Lebron definitively a tier below Jordan if he lost that series, but still #2 all time. Right now I got Jordan and Lebron a tier above everyone all time.
Tbh, Curry deserves more respect because dude has 4 rings and people still keep him out the top 10. Also, Lebron teamed up with AD so this discrediting Curry for teaming up with KD doesn't work here. Let's not forget that Curry could have 5 rings if both KD and Klay weren't injured
I don’t agree with everything bro said, but if Steph wins another one why can’t he be top 5, if Bron did this exact run he would be considered number 1 no question
Bra is not lying it’s crazy how everyone agree with people who should not be talking basketball shows how much people know !! Marz should never talk basketball only soccer
Kuzma was one of the reasons we sold the 2021 playoffs outside of major injuries to AD and LeBron. He had to go. The rest of the role players, I agree should’ve stayed
Steph is already 4th all time for me, that being said, i dont think I'll move him in the top 3 above lebron even if he wins again. The consistency and production throughout the season and playoffs every single year a long with the rings just makes lebron a lock for top 3.
This is a WILD take. But, I do like to troll lebron fans by saying “curry > lebron” because it’s funny. But if curry wins another 1 in a fantastic fashion, I might legitimately put him ahead of lebron. Rn it’s mj > kobe > lebron for me
It’s so many things they could’ve said to crunch to demolish his arguments. This dude is just making statements without mentioning the full context. Marz kind of did but he just was quiet. They let this dude bring up ONE game the cavs shot amazing from 3 but didn’t bring up the fact that the warriors literally broke the all time regular season record, had just as many all stars as the cavs, and had better teams with better fit. Dude was entertaining but he had so many flaws to his points
@@jordanross8561 wtf are you talking about? Kareem was a perennial playoff loser in LA before magic arrived. They won his ROOKIE YEAR, you asking what the warriors were without Steph is irrelevant because he didn't even make the playoffs as a rookie
“Steph won in Lebrons prime” When exactly was Lebrons prime (peak)The masses would agree it was 2009-2012 or in that area of years m. What did Curry win/do within that time? Like that argument was literally made to diminish Bron cause it doesn’t make any sense
Top 10 all Time 1.Michael Jordan 2.LEBRON James 3.KAREEM Abdul Jabar 4.Bill Russel 5.MAGIC JOhnson 6.TIM Duncan 7.Larry Legend Bird 8.Shaquill O'Neal 9.Hakeem The Dream 10.Steph Curry
Like I've said on the short of this video. The Cavs had more talent than the Warriors, it's just that the roles didn't fit. Kevin Love couldn't be himself and that made the team suffer. Same thing happened with Bosh in Miami, and Westbrook in LA. Lebron can't incorporate a 3rd superstar into the system. Not really a knock against him, but it's what actually happens.
@@DukeMun actually it is, dude wanted AD as soon as he signed to Clutch while in New Orleans, both were suppose to be in LA in 2019 meaning bron wanted those guys shipped outta there day 1 for AD
Lol why not right? His team right now is ass and if he did with that squad, it is equivalent of winning against a superteam, something a lot of the Top 10 players never did, except Hakeem.
Teamed up with Wade to beat another superteam, Kyrie did NOTHING in the eastern conference before and after LeBron. AD and Bron is a normal pairing lmao
It’s crazy to think how big of an impact 2016 had. I truly believe that if draymond didn’t get suspended, warriors win that series. We all might have curry over lebron. Lebrons two heat rings ain’t doing shit for his legacy
Lmao they wouldn’t have won in 2015 if Lebron had at the least K Love, not even talking about Kyrie as well. Dray was back and still get 40 on him lol.
That's a BIGASS JUMP for Curry to be top 3 if he wins BUT it's a great claim but maybe 4th but it's a clgreat claim.. I guess Steph found a Super Mario's Bros Warp Zone Tunnel..
People always say that the Warriors were so much more talented than the Cavs, which is false. The Cavs were one of the top 10 worse ranked defenses in the league. If they had a top 10 defense there’s no doubt that they push it to 6/7 games or even win the chip. Bron supposed to be the goat right?
@@haadtheevision so if the team was better they would have done better? What kind of argument is that? On top of that how is the entire team's defense on Bron?
@@dabossdafly There's this thing called playstyle and coaching. You can have all the talent in the world, but if the playstyles don't match and the coach can't maximize every player's strengths then it's not going to work. I never said the entire defense fell on Lebron's shoulders, but he is the star player and he was a huge part of their terrible defense.
Look I don’t think Stephen curry will ever beat lebron.. but he is damn close to his greatness.. stephen curry has second and third options thag didn’t make the top75 list beside Durant for 2 championships.. lebron played with 6 top 75 players.. come on guys it really isn’t a stretch.. people like to hate on Stephen curry. Curry ain’t lebron or Jordan but he is sure close to the top 10 and one championship away from top 5-7
Idc what anybody say I have Curry too 5 1.)MJ 2.)Lebron 3.)Kobe Bryant 4.)Kareem 5.)Steph Curry 6.)Magic Johnson 7.)Tim Duncan 8.)Hakeem 9.)Wilt Chamberlain 10.)Bill Russell 11.) Larry Bird 12.)Shaq 13.)KD 14.)Giannis 15.)Jokic
I agree on Steph top 5 but over Bron and that list I want no affiliation with. The Steph talk ain't crazy though. Magic got finals Mvp his rookie year when Kareem went down. Magic deserves his respect. But Steph can take Magic down with 5. If Steph get 6 rings I got him top 3 with a case for the 🐐. Steph legacy is closer to Magic than LeBrons legacy is to MJ. Btw, If Luka average these numbers throughout his career he could surpass LeBron in points by 38. Will that make Luka the Goat? Stop the Cavs hurt talk if you don't say that about Khawi Raptors beating a wounded Warriors.
Why y’all acting like Steph isn’t a 2x MVP, and haven’t averaged 30 before? You can’t deny or argue facts just because you like a player more. We watched it happen who’s the best. Steph led team beat LeBron led team 3-1 in a 4 game final series. Easy!
In 2015 LBJ was missing his two best players In 2017 and 18 James teams weren’t close to Curry’s, in 2018 the Warriors 5th option outscored Cleveland’s 2nd 😂
@@hardwoodthought1213 LeBron hand picked those teams under the concept of player empowerment. Kyrie advocated this claim as well via I am athlete podcast. Unconsciously what your comparing is the impact of Steph vs LeBron which I agree with you that Steph impact far ascends LeBron
@@philosoqhy Yes, and when healthy they beat GS (2016). In 2015 his handpicked team was injured and with Timothy Mosgov as his second best player went to 6. In 17 GS added another top 3 player to their team, and by 2018 it was a mismatch of historic proportion. I remember the finals player. Golden State had Curry, KD, Draymond, Klay and Iggy on their side. James had himself, Love, JR Smith, Thompson and Korver on his 😂😂😂😂😂 Curry’s impact doesn’t transcend James, imagine blasting James for picking teams than praising Curry for getting another top 3 player to join him
@@hardwoodthought1213 I never gave false balance on neither side. That's actually what you did. Your trying to belittle Steph success to elevate LeBron when both players utilized player empowerment via enhancement. 2018 LeBron went out in recruited Wade, Rose, Crowder in addition to Isiah who was just in MVP talks the prior year literally as he was #5 and LeBron was ranked#4..... LeBron via player empowerment then decides to trade those players for individuals he saw fit which ultimately backfired on him via lack of compromise. That take is also backed by Chris Fedor who's a cavs insider.
@@hardwoodthought1213 let’s do it like this then since no one seems to understand. LeBron James is considered to be the best player of the last decade and of all time by many. He won his first title in 12, that’s 10 years ago for sure, so in ten years, Steph matches his 4 while being in the league less years, and beats him 3/4 times they met in the finals. In 15, he’s considered to be the best, me personally I feel he should have beaten the Warriors because he’s the best player on the court but it didn’t happen. He was up 2-1 without Kyrie but then the Warriors proceeded to do with they do, and Steph was the leading scorer of that team. I’m aware Iggy, got the nod bogus nod as MVP. 16, Warriors was up 3-1 and lost. If we want to use the injury issue we have to call it both ways. Bogut was a key injury, Steph played through injury, and other contributors got injured towards the end of that series as well as the Green suspension for 1 game. Cavs made history and respect to em. 17,18 once again I felt, Bron was the best player even with KD on the team but having Steph Curry on the squad with you free’s your up no matter what. Klay Thompson helps too but more Steph. It’s a reason KD went to play with Steph after he did what he did to them the series before the finals. They averaged 30 together respectfully while playing together. Steph is literally the catalyst and Steve Kerr has been saying it as well as every player that plays with him if you listen!
When u start watch basketball had to be in 2017 because the 2016 warriors was the deepest team in the league the Cavs was top heavy u look at there top 3 players and say there pretty good but then look at there bench and tell me how that bench better then the warriors bench
Bald dude single handedly cooked this entire panel. Y'all so used to having takes that sound right instead of actually thinking about the facts. Curry is simply better than Kobe
KD is not that close to Lebron. Lebrons an equal if not better scorer, a significantly better playmaker, and a significantly better defender. and if you care about accolades their in different stratospheres.
Equal if not better scorer? KD is a better free throw shooter, mid range and 3 point shooter. He averages more points off less shots. KD is a member of the 50/40/90 club. Lebron finishes better at the rim.
@@2cents250 lebron gets to the rim at such an elite rate it ends up making up for it though. Lebrons best 3 year stretch 2012-14 was 29.5pts per 75 possessions on truehsooting 9.7% above league average in the regular season and 30.3pts on +9%rTS in the playoffs. Durants best stretch 2016-18 28.3pts on +9.2%rTS in the regular season and 28.8pts on +6.5%rTS in the playoffs. Your conflating scoring versatility with overall effectiveness. When you take the most shots at the most efficient spot on the floor(the rim) at the highest percentage in the league you become one of the most effective scorers in league history even if it doesn't look as pretty.
When was the last time a team won without any injuries? Please stop using injuries to invalidate titles. When teams play 100 games, people get injured. Durability is part of the process 🤷🏾♂️
Its kind of hypocritical almost to have Jordan as the goat because of his six rings but then not take into account rings for anyone else. Steph does have 4 rings in 6 years. 5 times making the finals Two scoring titles, a steals title, two mvps. and a finals MVP. They robbed him of a second. People can say Durant this durant that... durant made it to the finals one time prior to joining the Warriors. Steph won before and after Durant. Steph is definiteyly ahead of durant. But definiteyly not ahead of LeBron. I would put Steph at 6 7 8.
The criteria he’s arguing is valid. The reason he’s wrong is because LeBron is simply better than Curry in every aspect of the game except 3 point shooting🤣 but if ranking players was based solely on the criteria being discussed, he would be correct
Curry built his whole legacy during Lebron James Prime 😮💨😮💨. Wow that was a bar ! This dude was spitting ! He had these dudes moving the goal post something crazy.
I respect this man , standing 10 toes down on his point . No backing down at all
The definition of an alpha. We should thank him for single-handedly balancing the LeBron media propaganda.
@@thsu8 exactly
Lol standing 10 toes down on stupidity is not good but go off tho
Standing ten toes down on being dead wrong shouldn’t be respected lol
@@ithinkimanaries2620 😂😂 right like you get cool points for saying dumb shit
"Is Klay on the same level as Kareem?"
Headshot😂😂😂
Fragments everywhere. 🤣🤣🤣
When you look at the numbers Klay was putting up compared to a post prime Kareem with Magic it’s not a great take. Scottie isn’t Kareem either but he was the best or top 2 way player for the bulls team. And that’s what Klay did for the GSW.
@@2cents250 Klay is a star role player, not a superstar, or perennial all NBA player. KAJ is a top 10 player, and was still an All NBA? All defense player right in the middle of Magic's prime in the mid 80s. He won a FMVP at 37, and All NBA 1st team player at 38. Let's not compare the two as if Klay was even as great as KAJ when he was a middle aged man.
and that silence the whole group.
@@shade0180 they were dumbfounded. It goes to show how unbalanced they are with their takes.
Tickets long lost brother 😂
The Steph and bron convo is a real one in reality
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It's not.
@@beazy3364 its really not
they played each other 4 times in the fianls, and lebron was VERY clearly the best player in all 4. nothing that curry can do, whether it be another chip or mvp or whatever, will put curry above lebron
Bro keep him on the podcast 😂😂😂 he’s funny
Interesting to hear all the ways these guys disparaged and diminished all of Steph's success both individually as a player and team success
Its crazy how much they disrespect that man, like Bron hasnt bounced from superteam to superteam lol.
@@carlosvaldes5695 dont mention superteam as a way to defend steph. And no one will ever forget how historically bad he is in clutch situations along with the fact that he blew a 3-1 lead to Lebron after winning 73 Games.
@@real-timerami5041 he has the same fg% in the clutch as Kobe
@@real-timerami5041and you act like bron hasn’t got swept and got gentlemen swept in 2011
@@JglockNate and Bron is also a super team stacker
I think bro named Leaf that Steph runs have alot of injuries which is such a bad point because there’s injuries in EVERY run. So that shit don’t matter
Every run in nba history
Media brainwashing at its finest lol they can’t even acknowledge LeBron had more help in Cleveland. Kyrie can do ALL THE SAME SHIT STEPH CAN DO literally but somehow LeBron and his all star team are underdogs
Kyrie is the only reason he went back to Cleveland.
Whats crazy to me is no one wanted to give 30 his credit when KD was on the team...they hated GSW down for two seasons when klay was out and then when Steph was hurt for the entire damn season pretty much...next season we come back and win the chip and this man still can't get his just due...people are just weird as hell, i swear.
The Black Skip Bayles lol
“All 4 runs came with key injuries”…
And all 4 years they haven’t won since their first one came with key injuries. Every year injuries happen, this is how you essentially forfeit an argument.
Just as easy to say factually “When healthy Warriors have won every finals since 2014-15 season” and then jump to the extreme conclusions like “they coulda had 8 if not for injuries, and Bron woulda never won with Cleveland in 2016, and Kawhi woulda lost in 2019, and maybe KD never leaves and has 6 rings in a row”. Mindless exercise in futility.
Kobe probably doesn’t have 5 rings if KG doesn’t get injured in 09
@@haadtheevision Kobe have 6 if Bynum don't get hurt in 08
warriors probably would have won 6 in a row if they didn't have injuries. thats how unfair the gsw team was.
If you don’t have Bron as 1 that’s completely fine. Even 3 is acceptable if you have a good argument but 6??? Oh he’s buggin for real!
5th at best
@@bboywolf u only saying this cuz yk he first
@@RobinXlone 1st in his era. Not greater than players with more rings and mvps
@@bboywolf so bill Russell the goat ?
@@dwhite-pu1ot if you have him #1 i wouldnt say no. I would just have a better argument for jordan. Even if you half bill russells rings he still has 6
y'all need to keep this dude on the show, he funnier than Ticket without even trying.
you from Ireland
Ticket is almighty that guy is a clown
@@sirkeemo no, why do you ask?
It’s unfortunate clowns like you want to keep him on when he’s just trolling
Put some respect on ticket name
The injuries chat is super nasty, because it's as if it was their fault that people were hurt. That's dumb af!
That’s not ridiculous to say. If Steph wins again he’s top 5 imo
THE STUPIDITY ANYTHING TO DISCREDIT LEBRON😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Lebron took 2007 2018 Cavs to the finals by himself. So that superteam argument irrelevant. 2015 cavs was injuries with kyrie and kevin love. Next year a HEALTHY cavs team beat a 73-9 team up 3-1. MADE STEPH CURRY CRY CALLED KD PLEASE HELP ME. 😂 stop it
"Their slogan was strength in numbers, not strength in Steph " lol that's a bar!
No one except for LeBron would take credit for team success and use it as a slogan
Except the numbers are Steph’s points 🤷🏾♂️
@@odotmdot what a damn lie
@@jonnstewart2023 TF? The Warriors can win without Steph?
@@m.j.w.2876 “witness”
EVERYONES reaction to him saying "how close is Steph to LeBron" is hilarious 😂 unanimous "here we go with the bs" lool
I actually think crunch has very very valid point
Looooooool
No he doesn’t 💀
He made no sense 73-9 was not equal to the Cavs
@@AKWuzHere in terms of talent, they were about even, too many variables changed that outcome
@@m.j.w.2876 how gsw had mo talent on they team gsw 4th best player was iggy Cavs was Tristan also gsw had bogut n Shaun Livingston Cavs after Tristan is shumpert n Jr come now
Yo he brought up great points every single time and these guys kept moving the goal post lmao
No he didn't. First: Kareem was giving Magic 16/6 in '87 and '88. Those aren't Kareem numbers and just because he was still on the roster doesn't mean that he was actually still him.
Second: he is acting like Klay in 2016 wasn't all that. The guy was 12th in scoring in the regular season, 7th in the postseason (excluding players that only played one series) and was giving only 1 less point than Steph.
Kevin Love was a 14/9 player on 39% from the field in that 2016 playoffs. Is that a franchise player? The guy that averaged 15/10 on 40 FG% in his playoff career? No he wasn't, come on now.
@@thomaswilliam4015 he was giving 18/7 and he was a All Start starter that year, stop the cap
@@MylesLeft 17.5 and 6.7, what a stat line that is for Kareem. If his name was anything else no one would argue: ‘he needed Kareem’. In 88 it was 15 and 6, that still great?
“when it was even in 2017” 😭😭😭😭
We gotta be honest about this. It’s very hard to compare the earlier eras to this era from free agent movement alone. Talent is spread now.
No cap
Calling the 2017 Cavs and Warriors even when people literally stopped watching basketball after the KD addition is wild.
I'm confused because kyrie supposedly was cancelling out Curry according to you weirdos. So how is curry and irving similar when it suits you
Bro nobody stopped watching😂
bro stopped at lebron=kd and kyrie=curry like what about Draymond and Klay the warriors were obviously stacked and I'm a warriors fan
That’s the problem right there. You stopped watching so you didn’t see what happened
@@drevizzy2269 what about Kevin love and JR smith? Why didn’t you say their names?
Crunch is like half serious then straight troll
I agree with him. He had points and his points were valid. There’s a legit argument there. I’ve been saying that if GS would’ve lost in 2015 if the Cavs were healthy, why did the series go down 3-1 when they ran it back with a healthy team. Why did the series go down 3 to 1 when they were both healthy? That tells me even if the Cavs were healthy, at minimum they’re going to a game 7. When they added KD, it was considered unfair because Stephen Curry was still on that team. It was because of how Great of a Player KD was and then how great of a player Stephen Curry was. If your really believe “Strength in Numbers” was the reason they won, Remove Steph and have Damian Lillard or another great shooting Point Guard at the time switch places with Steph. The Value Steph adds to GS is like none other. That’s why I believe that if GS is healthy any Year since 2015 and everyone plays with no suspensions, they win up till now. Which would give Steph I think 7 rings. Say what you want, but a healthy GS where everyone plays, has never seen a Game 7.
(Please don’t add shit to my comment that I didn’t say, only use what I said to rebuttal to against me.)
Also I do think they need to bring him back if he’s going to continue to make sense, the moment he says something so outta pocket and thoroughly believes it with any solid reasoning, he’s just a casual delusional fan. Shoutout to him though for actually making sense
So the warriors can’t get better from 2015 to 2016 ? Like 2016 is the 73-9 team 😂 and I’m a warriors fan 😂 like why are we knocking bron and them for going down 3-1 like they came back and beat us so why does it matter 😂😂
@@dwhite-pu1ot Because it’s Lebron lol. Anything to discredit him
If you watch how they were playing that series against the cavs in 15 you add those two the cavs are absolutely winning
@@dwhite-pu1ot first off your a bron fan in hiding. Second, 73-9 doesn’t mean shit, that just means they had the best synergy and chemistry in the league lead by a transcendent superstar that’s it. The 16 warriors are a regular ass team that actually played in a real system where the cavs were playing your turn my turn which never works against a real championship level team
@@indmslikedeez8005 ok so you just gon tell me who I’m a fan off do you see my profile pic ? Like wtf 😂 and 73-9 means a lot bud
Thinking about it, if Steph won in 2016 I would have him as a lock top 10, even with less finals appearances if KD doesn't join GSW. Beating prime Lebron with a healthy team is huge.
I would also put Lebron definitively a tier below Jordan if he lost that series, but still #2 all time. Right now I got Jordan and Lebron a tier above everyone all time.
If steph won he’d be the GOAT. Gs won tho not just steph. Steph isn’t top 25.
@@brendanbloom3366 smoking is not good for u my g.
@@brendanbloom3366 goat? 😂
@@jorex6495 steph ain’t too 25. Learn your nba history.
@@Steven_Martinez yeah if he won playing 1v5 he would be. He can’t tho. He’s not top 25.
if Steph wins another ring, WE WILL have that convo whether yall like it or not
We will because that’s just how it is nowadays but the answer should still most definitely be the same
@@webbmd4342 So whats make Lebron untochable to you im curious?
LEBRON 1-2. I have him 1 lebron beat steph at his best 73-9 up 3 1.
@@carlosvaldes5695 LEBRON 1-2. I have him 1 lebron beat steph at his best 73-9 up 3 1.
@@webbmd4342 LEBRON 1-2. I have him 1 lebron beat steph at his best 73-9 up 3 1.
2016 warriors went 73-9 but bron had more help… ight bro
He did
This one man cooked all y’all 😂😂😂😂😂😂
That shit was burnt😂😂
Who is he?
He didn’t trade for the talent because he didn’t have to. Same with that Celtics team back then. It was a different time.
KD? Wiggins?
@@armonbell2535 I believe he's talking about Magic
'Wow that's a bar' in reference to himself is hilarious
Tbh, Curry deserves more respect because dude has 4 rings and people still keep him out the top 10. Also, Lebron teamed up with AD so this discrediting Curry for teaming up with KD doesn't work here. Let's not forget that Curry could have 5 rings if both KD and Klay weren't injured
Kd teamed up with Curry
Cause he only got one fmvp so it doesn’t lookin good on his resume makes it seems he got carried
Kobe has 5 and they talk about him like he was a god damn loser
@@mybestnugget7514 which makes no sense
AD has never been as good as KD was in 2017-19 you can't compare those two.
My thing is why was people making faces when he said steph is over kd 💀
The only problem with what he’s saying Is where It would leave Steph ranked. He won’t be top 3, but the points he’s making are valid.
I don’t agree with everything bro said, but if Steph wins another one why can’t he be top 5, if Bron did this exact run he would be considered number 1 no question
@@dp3of5 tyoe slow bro. Read what you said
@@dp3of5 😱
@@IconicUniverse4L Top 5 with 1 fmvp? In what world?
@@kingclutch1978 Obviously I mean after and if he wins another ring and fmvp he’s top 5. He’s top 10 rn
@@kingclutch1978 Kobe is top 5 with 2 FMVP soooo is 2 the threshold or what? (And we all know he was robbed the first time)
Bra is not lying it’s crazy how everyone agree with people who should not be talking basketball shows how much people know !! Marz should never talk basketball only soccer
That’s so nasty 😭
20 seconds in. I hear this man say LeBron and KD are very close in the all time list lmao that's wild
Lebron & Co shouldn’t have traded the 19-20 winning role players for Russ…
KCP, Kuz, Caruso, Javale, all knew their roles
Kuzma was one of the reasons we sold the 2021 playoffs outside of major injuries to AD and LeBron. He had to go. The rest of the role players, I agree should’ve stayed
Steph over KD all day..the hate for Steph is real
Steph is already 4th all time for me, that being said, i dont think I'll move him in the top 3 above lebron even if he wins again. The consistency and production throughout the season and playoffs every single year a long with the rings just makes lebron a lock for top 3.
I got Steph 3rd all time and Bron 9th
@@josephschmizzo1595 bahahaha thats a joke dude dont hate lebron just because u like steph
@@teal2913 Stephs better than Bron…
Im not seeing what ur getting at…
@@josephschmizzo1595 Ok i simply disagree
@@josephschmizzo1595 lebron at 9th is a joke ur disrespecting him.
This is a WILD take.
But, I do like to troll lebron fans by saying “curry > lebron” because it’s funny.
But if curry wins another 1 in a fantastic fashion, I might legitimately put him ahead of lebron.
Rn it’s mj > kobe > lebron for me
Bro got a point
Peoples never bring up James worthy Magic had a super team
Yep. Worthy, Kareem, Magic, that’s 3 stars, which equals a superteam
It’s so many things they could’ve said to crunch to demolish his arguments. This dude is just making statements without mentioning the full context. Marz kind of did but he just was quiet. They let this dude bring up ONE game the cavs shot amazing from 3 but didn’t bring up the fact that the warriors literally broke the all time regular season record, had just as many all stars as the cavs, and had better teams with better fit. Dude was entertaining but he had so many flaws to his points
Nah bro up there eating they food 🤣🤣
Kareem was older in the last two championships and was a role player. Magic was by far the best player on the Lakers.
1980-84 it was Kareem, 1985-89 it was Magic
Also had Worthy
1:42 "HUH" 😂😂😂
I love Magic but he got to play with Kareem and then they had the best college player join their team in the middle of a prime run with Worthy.
They literally skip that part Everytime but bring up Everytime curry played with KD for them 3 week ass years
What was Kareems Lakers doing b4 magic arrived? 82 Lakers were in the finals? Did they win? Was Worthy there?
@@m.j.w.2876 lmao nigga wtf was the warriors doing before steph? Back in the day I use to even forget that the warriors was even a team
@@jordanross8561 wtf are you talking about? Kareem was a perennial playoff loser in LA before magic arrived. They won his ROOKIE YEAR, you asking what the warriors were without Steph is irrelevant because he didn't even make the playoffs as a rookie
Jordan
Lebron
Kareem
Duncan
Shaq
Hakeem
Kobe
Magic
Bird
Russell
“Steph won in Lebrons prime”
When exactly was Lebrons prime (peak)The masses would agree it was 2009-2012 or in that area of years m. What did Curry win/do within that time?
Like that argument was literally made to diminish Bron cause it doesn’t make any sense
Umm. Come into the nba he had a ankle injury in 2012 lmaooo casual
@@torreywallace1494 … ok? Which proves my argument even more. How did Curry win in Brons prime when Curry was injured in Brons prime ???
Casual
2016 Cavs big 3 averaged more than the the GSW big 3 in points, rebounds, assist and steals.
“THAT SHI IS FUCKING TRASH DAWG GET TF OFF THE AIRWAVES”💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Nah it’s not
@@jiggafromstatefarm9997 I mean bro bros take on Steph being top 3 or even ahead of lebron
How can your team stop other team from getting hurt
Top 10 all Time
1.Michael Jordan
2.LEBRON James
3.KAREEM Abdul Jabar
4.Bill Russel
5.MAGIC JOhnson
6.TIM Duncan
7.Larry Legend Bird
8.Shaquill O'Neal
9.Hakeem The Dream
10.Steph Curry
They didn’t even know what to say 😭😭
Like I've said on the short of this video. The Cavs had more talent than the Warriors, it's just that the roles didn't fit. Kevin Love couldn't be himself and that made the team suffer. Same thing happened with Bosh in Miami, and Westbrook in LA. Lebron can't incorporate a 3rd superstar into the system. Not really a knock against him, but it's what actually happens.
Love used to get punked by Draymond
@@waltjones6927 exactly, and K Love & Kyrie bad defenders
@@a.m.afilms4566 they bad defender but yall was loving his “defense” when Steph couldnt get pst him on a bum kneww in 2016
Absolute facts Cavs definitely has more talent
or maybe love, bosh, and westbrook arent as easy to fit into a system as Klay thompson and KD.
This dude is like the hybrid of seriousness like marz and blasphemy like ticket lol
Why didn't kobe wait for smush Parker to develop to win a chip. He needed them to trade for Gasol. But that logic only applies to Lebron not kobe
bron was trying to trade them as soon as he walked in the door, big difference
@@m.j.w.2876no tf it ain’t
Brons lakers is constructed horribly and he ain’t have a say on who’s on the team shawty??? He does it but it don’t translate to the same success
@@DukeMun actually it is, dude wanted AD as soon as he signed to Clutch while in New Orleans, both were suppose to be in LA in 2019 meaning bron wanted those guys shipped outta there day 1 for AD
Lol why not right? His team right now is ass and if he did with that squad, it is equivalent of winning against a superteam, something a lot of the Top 10 players never did, except Hakeem.
1 finals mvp LOLOLOL
Bro cooked yall
CRUNCH WAS COOKIN 11:22 😂🔥
every year teams get hurt lol
Lebron teamed up with Wade so why doesn't that get frowned upon as much? Lebron teamed up with AD. Lebron teamed up with Kyrie... Etc!
Some folks just don’t wanna accept curry moving up in the rankings shit sad
Teamed up with Wade to beat another superteam, Kyrie did NOTHING in the eastern conference before and after LeBron. AD and Bron is a normal pairing lmao
@@SJO897 the Cs were no super team and he lost to Orlando the yr b4
@@SJO897 Lmao they teamed up to beat a baby OKC & old ass spurs & mavericks? Man stop
@@m.j.w.2876 c we’re a superteam ray allen Kevin garnet and Paul pierce were all franchise players and was dogging bron when he was by himself
He is ethering the whole panel‼️YIKES
It’s crazy to think how big of an impact 2016 had. I truly believe that if draymond didn’t get suspended, warriors win that series. We all might have curry over lebron. Lebrons two heat rings ain’t doing shit for his legacy
Lmao they wouldn’t have won in 2015 if Lebron had at the least K Love, not even talking about Kyrie as well. Dray was back and still get 40 on him lol.
@@SJO897 don’t agree with you. Love was TERRIBLE against the warriors. Green would always shut him down. Love was more of a liability than an asset
If Lebron Miami rings don’t do anything for his legacy than curry 2017 and 2018 ring DAMn sure don’t do anything for his legacy
@@jps0583I absolutely agree with you.
Them kd rings curry got don’t mean shit then by this logic
He ripped y’all with all facts
I had an epiphany when Steph Curry pass KD
Everyone else:🤨
I’m like dude up top, this 💩 is hilarious he thought he was really saying something.
1 mvp vs 2 mvps but they was even make it make sense
Crunch is cooking yall
Saying cavs were more talented than the warriors is the last airbender type of context bending 😂😂
It’s not
The Cavs were more talented than GSW. They had the better team
Bro has no criteria.
Buddy was COOKIN!!!
Crunch killing em
That's a BIGASS JUMP for Curry to be top 3 if he wins BUT it's a great claim but maybe 4th but it's a clgreat claim.. I guess Steph found a Super Mario's Bros Warp Zone Tunnel..
Only difference between warriors top pick team in 2021 and now is no Eric paschall
Nobody.. I mean nobody never bring up how Bron & that 2017 cavs got outplayed bad that series could’ve went to 6/7 games they gave up
There was no chance the Cavs make that even a six game series.
People always say that the Warriors were so much more talented than the Cavs, which is false. The Cavs were one of the top 10 worse ranked defenses in the league. If they had a top 10 defense there’s no doubt that they push it to 6/7 games or even win the chip. Bron supposed to be the goat right?
They never talk about it. They won the first game they ever played too on Christmas
@@haadtheevision so if the team was better they would have done better? What kind of argument is that? On top of that how is the entire team's defense on Bron?
@@dabossdafly There's this thing called playstyle and coaching. You can have all the talent in the world, but if the playstyles don't match and the coach can't maximize every player's strengths then it's not going to work. I never said the entire defense fell on Lebron's shoulders, but he is the star player and he was a huge part of their terrible defense.
who is this dude? he def need a spot on players choice!!!
Look I don’t think Stephen curry will ever beat lebron.. but he is damn close to his greatness.. stephen curry has second and third options thag didn’t make the top75 list beside Durant for 2 championships.. lebron played with 6 top 75 players.. come on guys it really isn’t a stretch.. people like to hate on Stephen curry. Curry ain’t lebron or Jordan but he is sure close to the top 10 and one championship away from top 5-7
This the best Kobe debater I ever heard from so he can stay on the show
Idc what anybody say I have Curry too 5
1.)MJ
2.)Lebron
3.)Kobe Bryant
4.)Kareem
5.)Steph Curry
6.)Magic Johnson
7.)Tim Duncan
8.)Hakeem
9.)Wilt Chamberlain
10.)Bill Russell
11.) Larry Bird
12.)Shaq
13.)KD
14.)Giannis
15.)Jokic
I agree on Steph top 5 but over Bron and that list I want no affiliation with.
The Steph talk ain't crazy though.
Magic got finals Mvp his rookie year when Kareem went down. Magic deserves his respect. But Steph can take Magic down with 5. If Steph get 6 rings I got him top 3 with a case for the 🐐. Steph legacy is closer to Magic than LeBrons legacy is to MJ.
Btw, If Luka average these numbers throughout his career he could surpass LeBron in points by 38. Will that make Luka the Goat?
Stop the Cavs hurt talk if you don't say that about Khawi Raptors beating a wounded Warriors.
Magic won the finals mvp when Kareem went out and Kareem and missed ONE game which was the last one
they really found ticket 2.0
Why y’all acting like Steph isn’t a 2x MVP, and haven’t averaged 30 before? You can’t deny or argue facts just because you like a player more. We watched it happen who’s the best. Steph led team beat LeBron led team 3-1 in a 4 game final series. Easy!
In 2015 LBJ was missing his two best players
In 2017 and 18 James teams weren’t close to Curry’s, in 2018 the Warriors 5th option outscored Cleveland’s 2nd 😂
@@hardwoodthought1213 LeBron hand picked those teams under the concept of player empowerment. Kyrie advocated this claim as well via I am athlete podcast. Unconsciously what your comparing is the impact of Steph vs LeBron which I agree with you that Steph impact far ascends LeBron
@@philosoqhy Yes, and when healthy they beat GS (2016). In 2015 his handpicked team was injured and with Timothy Mosgov as his second best player went to 6. In 17 GS added another top 3 player to their team, and by 2018 it was a mismatch of historic proportion. I remember the finals player. Golden State had Curry, KD, Draymond, Klay and Iggy on their side. James had himself, Love, JR Smith, Thompson and Korver on his 😂😂😂😂😂
Curry’s impact doesn’t transcend James, imagine blasting James for picking teams than praising Curry for getting another top 3 player to join him
@@hardwoodthought1213 I never gave false balance on neither side. That's actually what you did. Your trying to belittle Steph success to elevate LeBron when both players utilized player empowerment via enhancement. 2018 LeBron went out in recruited Wade, Rose, Crowder in addition to Isiah who was just in MVP talks the prior year literally as he was #5 and LeBron was ranked#4..... LeBron via player empowerment then decides to trade those players for individuals he saw fit which ultimately backfired on him via lack of compromise. That take is also backed by Chris Fedor who's a cavs insider.
@@hardwoodthought1213 let’s do it like this then since no one seems to understand. LeBron James is considered to be the best player of the last decade and of all time by many. He won his first title in 12, that’s 10 years ago for sure, so in ten years, Steph matches his 4 while being in the league less years, and beats him 3/4 times they met in the finals.
In 15, he’s considered to be the best, me personally I feel he should have beaten the Warriors because he’s the best player on the court but it didn’t happen. He was up 2-1 without Kyrie but then the Warriors proceeded to do with they do, and Steph was the leading scorer of that team. I’m aware Iggy, got the nod bogus nod as MVP.
16, Warriors was up 3-1 and lost. If we want to use the injury issue we have to call it both ways. Bogut was a key injury, Steph played through injury, and other contributors got injured towards the end of that series as well as the Green suspension for 1 game. Cavs made history and respect to em.
17,18 once again I felt, Bron was the best player even with KD on the team but having Steph Curry on the squad with you free’s your up no matter what. Klay Thompson helps too but more Steph. It’s a reason KD went to play with Steph after he did what he did to them the series before the finals. They averaged 30 together respectfully while playing together. Steph is literally the catalyst and Steve Kerr has been saying it as well as every player that plays with him if you listen!
LeBron had more talent & these dudes trying clown this dude points but he right.
The only team Lebron was on that was remotely close to any GSW team is the Heatles and the Warriors bench was significantly better
In 2016 it's definitely close
When u start watch basketball had to be in 2017 because the 2016 warriors was the deepest team in the league the Cavs was top heavy u look at there top 3 players and say there pretty good but then look at there bench and tell me how that bench better then the warriors bench
@datjitdj1695 ..every time Shaq & Kobe won they were Top heavy vs teams that were way deeper..apparently you ain't been watching ball long enough..
Bro don’t even care about analyzing their ability he only care about narratives
His ability is that he can also say he’s the greatest shooter ever without question about it
If Steph wins another chip I hot him in my top 5 all time that not a bad argument
Bald dude single handedly cooked this entire panel. Y'all so used to having takes that sound right instead of actually thinking about the facts. Curry is simply better than Kobe
Also You can’t just randomly just put Steph in there
KD is not that close to Lebron. Lebrons an equal if not better scorer, a significantly better playmaker, and a significantly better defender. and if you care about accolades their in different stratospheres.
Equal if not better scorer? KD is a better free throw shooter, mid range and 3 point shooter. He averages more points off less shots. KD is a member of the 50/40/90 club.
Lebron finishes better at the rim.
@@2cents250 lebron gets to the rim at such an elite rate it ends up making up for it though. Lebrons best 3 year stretch 2012-14 was 29.5pts per 75 possessions on truehsooting 9.7% above league average in the regular season and 30.3pts on +9%rTS in the playoffs. Durants best stretch 2016-18 28.3pts on +9.2%rTS in the regular season and 28.8pts on +6.5%rTS in the playoffs. Your conflating scoring versatility with overall effectiveness. When you take the most shots at the most efficient spot on the floor(the rim) at the highest percentage in the league you become one of the most effective scorers in league history even if it doesn't look as pretty.
Dude needs a back round check
😂😂😂
When was the last time a team won without any injuries? Please stop using injuries to invalidate titles. When teams play 100 games, people get injured. Durability is part of the process 🤷🏾♂️
Yep steph did it the right way
Its kind of hypocritical almost to have Jordan as the goat because of his six rings but then not take into account rings for anyone else. Steph does have 4 rings in 6 years. 5 times making the finals Two scoring titles, a steals title, two mvps. and a finals MVP. They robbed him of a second. People can say Durant this durant that... durant made it to the finals one time prior to joining the Warriors. Steph won before and after Durant. Steph is definiteyly ahead of durant. But definiteyly not ahead of LeBron. I would put Steph at 6 7 8.
Exactly!!!
Yooo are you guys trolling .... I'm waiting 4 low to jump out and say prank .. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
these cats are mad entertaining...
I agree with Cruch, he killed him with is Klay on the level as Kareem
Ain't no one in top 5 let alone top 7 that don't have any defensive accolades.
The criteria he’s arguing is valid. The reason he’s wrong is because LeBron is simply better than Curry in every aspect of the game except 3 point shooting🤣 but if ranking players was based solely on the criteria being discussed, he would be correct
Curry built his whole legacy during Lebron James Prime 😮💨😮💨. Wow that was a bar ! This dude was spitting !
He had these dudes moving the goal post something crazy.
Yup, this whole panel was terrible in general, except mars but even he was bad in this one
So did Klay..
Klay > Bron
@@LoveDebate nah spazzed
Curry ain’t get a single FMVP during lebron’s prime lol. He was still amazing tho with 2 MVPs (first unanimous in history) and 2 scoring titles
@@pallani8471 he actually did in 2015 and Cedric maxwell and tony Parker have a fmvp, that award literally means nothing