Jamis did end up being Paul's mentor. In forcing Paul to kill him, he taught him the ways of the desert, that Paul needs to learn to kill to survive, and to leave his childhood behind, so he can rise to meet his destiny.
To be fair, the name Paul is thousands of years old for us right now as well lol. Also, one interpretation of the Jamis stuff could be that Paul isn't seeing his visions through his own eyes.
@@KHR0M3K0R4N Isnt it that the visions are not literal. The vision showed him Jamis was going to teach him the ways of the fremen, He did in fact show him the ways of the fremen but not exactly as seen in the vision but the essence of the vision was still true.
The shields stop fast moving objects. That is why no one uses guns. Lasers exist, but they explode when they hit shields. That is also why Paul looks like he is toying with Jamis. He was trained to get close, then slow down to go through the shield.
@eliklein6873 "The shields stop fast moving objects." - And yet, somehow it's not doing that to oxygen or carbon dioxide molecules... "Lasers exist, but they explode when they hit shields." - Actually, the book explains that both the laser and the shield generator would explode instantaneously, should the two fields connect. I don't recall this phenomenon being elaborated upon any further than just a statement of fact; it is not clear why this is nor used to render shields largely unusable, by simply attacking high-value shielded targets with sacrificial laser weaponry... One could infer that lasers are just as costly to produce as shielded craft/vehicles/structures would be as well, and therefore no material advantage would be forthcoming from applying such tactics.
@@nicadi2005 Better to say they stop particles with a large amount of kinetic energy; molecules have such low mass that even at 300m/s or so, they don't have much kinetic energy.
The book also explains the the shield is calibrated to let air through, which is why it has a kinetic energy threshold at all to exploit, because if it didn't, the user would suffocate, It also explains the the shield reflects the kinetic energy at the point of impact, hence the energy of the laser is reflected in such an amount that it splits or fuses the atoms of surrounding matter
Names: Piter DeVries is as mundane a Netherlands / Dutch name as is possible to have. Peter from Friesland ( a part of the Netherlands ). Vladimir is mundane Russian, Jessica is ancient and common, Atreides is Greek, and ancient. Harkonnen I don't track down. Shaddam IV of House Corrino, emperor of the known universe has a mundane Iraqi name and an Italian one. The gathering of the Houses Great and Minor is know as the Landsraat; a gathering of nobles of the Austro-Hungarian Empire ( 'where the landed gentry speak' ). Paul is about as ancient a name as is possible to have, except for perhaps Arthur ( bear ) or John ( also bear IIRC ). Glossu Rabban of Lankiviel is more difficult, but Count Fenring is a Scandinavian / German name. His wife Margot has a mundane name.
The year 10191 is based on the founding of the Spacing Guild in the Dune Universe. It would be written 10191 AG (After Guild). The Spacing Guild was founded approximately in the year 13000 AD So you're looking at the story being 24000 AD using our calendar.
Duncan Idaho is the Weapons Master of House Atreides which is why the idea of a single Fremen warrior almost defeating him is so important. Facing the attack of the Harkonnen soldiers simply provides him with a "target-rich environment."
He's actually one of the best fighters of the Imperium. Atreides troops are fearsome because they are trained by him and Gurney, which is why the fremen are even more impressive.
If you read the book it tells you the nature of Paul's visions. mild book spoiler: Paul's visions are of possible futures, but as his powers grow he can use this knowledge to "change" what happens - he just did this when he used his vision during the fight to see what he had to do to win. "change" because its really more like pick a path to a possible future. Also this is somewhat similar to how the spacing guild navigators use spice to "see" a path through FTL space.
The wavy sand is actually a real phenomena, Fluidization. If it vibrates enough it becomes liquid like (imagine the states of matter physics class but in a scale you can actually touch, solid is stationary, liquid is near constant movement), easier way to witness it is to stand in the shallow of the beach for a bit, you'll feel the sand flow away like liquid (yeah, the water helps, but standing in fuildizing grain isn't exactly safe)
Paul the Apostle was arguably the most important (post-Jesus) figure in the early spread of Christianity and has several books in the Bible based on him and his letters. John Paul II was the Catholic Pope into the 21st century. In a film that focuses heavily on religion (and manipulation of religion) it is actually a fairly apt name. Duncan feels a bit more "meh" but means dark/dark-haired warrior in Gaelic. Several early Scottish kings were called Duncan (as well as kings of predecessor kingdoms in Ireland) and King Duncan is the victim of Macbeth's regicide in the Shakespeare play, a tragedy. The names were probably not completely plucked out of thin air by Herbert.
I mean, he literally picked "Vladimir Harkonnen" out of the phone book. :) It always sends me when people get hung up on the "weird science fiction names" in Dune. The ones people are most complaining about are regular names! Just not american ones!
A moment worth pointing out. Paul twice says 'I recognise your footsteps old man' when Gurney is approaching him, once on Caladan, once on Arrakis. 'Sahi-Hulud' is 'Old Man of the desert'. The worm.
It's funny. So many people hated Dune (1983). So many people thought Dune (2021) was boring, thus the lack of "reaction" videos up until a week ago. But now, with Dune 2 being hailed as maybe the greatest sci-fi ever, those people seem to be disappearing. All want to get on the band wagon now.
I love the double meaning of the "I recognize your footsteps Old Man" when he's under the influence of the Spice...Shai Hulud translates to Old Man of the Desert.
Duncan Idaho was actually a placeholder name Frank gave the character while writing the book, but he ended up liking it so much that he kept it in the final draft.
I hope you can walk part 2 in theaters especially in IMAX it's such a fantastic experience. I just got back from seeing it on a full-sized screen earlier tonight.
The year is 10191 AG ( after guild ). The current dating runs from when the Spacing Guild of Navigators replaced chancy spaceflight with perfect navigation through the use of spice. The time of the film is an unknown length of time in the future, and Earth may actually be semi-forgotten. The planets of Arrakis, Caladan and Geidi Prime are around stars not actually far from Sol, Earth's star. Delta Pavonis for example, is something like 22 light years IIRC.
Idaho is a native American word. Nearly all names come from ancestral sources. These are humans, not aliens. They would have human names. Why would humans suddenly invent new names like Gargaboon?
My first name is over 2k years old it doesn't surprise me that Paul would be name that lasts and considering that he is the Kwisatz Haderach the name Paul which means Humble and Small is quite the turn play. Frank Herbert knew what he was doing. The people who find this movie boring are the type who have no interest in looking deeper into the lore and are only interested in the surface level story but this is the kind of story that has a ton of layers. There are so many things they barely scratch the surface of like the Sardaukar and the Spacing Guild. Both of those elements of the story are insane and highly entertaining when you read their lore.
The humble, small desert mouse of Arrakis which is called muad'dib in the Fremen language. It's shape is seen on the second, smaller moon of Arrakis. Paul misses this, and then acts as if he'd chosen to be the Hand of God, which is the mark on the first moon of Arrakis.
Honestly, I think part of the reason we see visions of Jamis is the filmmakers nodding to elements of the book that they struggle to include. The short answer though is, the amtal -the challenge he makes, sets Paul up to learn the first lesson of the desert - the strong survive. Then they wrap Jamis's body and take him with them, instead of burying him. This is important for how the tribe works and survives, and you'll see that in part 2 / in the book.
There a characters in the Dune universe that have genetic memories that reach back thousands of years. That's how and why these characters can be named things we consider normal names.
Lord of the Rings by Tolkien, Foundation by Asimov and Dune by Herbert are the basis in which all modern Sci FI was created. Most writers and movie makers grew up as fans of stories of these books or other books that were written after them. Dune has been the holy grail of movie making. Star Wars was heavily influenced by Dune. Villeneuve has been able to put to screen what people have wanted since the 1970s. There is a TV series from the Sci Fi channel that followed the books rather well but lacked the production aspect of a full motion picture. Howe ever you look at it the movies are a shorted version of the story of Dune. This first movie is about the first 100 pages of the first book. The first book is about a third of the story Herbert wanted to tell. To put it in a way the hero of the story has not been born yet and who knows if anyone will do movies of the next two books much less go into Herbert's son's books. Dune is a very huge story and lore that is almost impossible to get into via the motion picture medium. Paul see the paths for the future. The breeding program of the Bene Gesserit is to bring forth the Kwisatz Haderach. The being that will see the "true" path that will see humanity into the future. The current course that humanity is on will only end in the end of the human race. The Kwisatz Haderach is the one who can see the path to the future.
Dina is not science fiction because there is no technology in it that significantly changes a person's life. The spice changes, but it is not a scientific technological invention, but a natural product.
The novel and its sequels are a huge meditation on politics, ecology, economics, spirituality, religion, history, psychology (especially Jungian), the danger of charismatic leaders, and the messianic impulse. Frank Herbert set out to craft a story that turned all of the "Chosen One" tropes inside out, while at the same time showing that history has repeating patterns (like Dukes, Barons, and Emperors over 10,000 years in the future). Herbert once said that "...charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: May be dangerous to your health." - 17:26 - Frank Herbert breaks the story into three parts in the novel. It is this scene that basically ends the first part of the book. The film goes into the first few chapters of the second part, but cuts off at a rather odd point, with the death of Jamis. The second film will begin with what happens next. - The mouse is a kangaroo mouse...and it's important to Paul's story. It is a muad'dib (teacher). - The worms of Arrakis are innumerable. Most of the movie's action centers around the planet's northern polar region, where Arrakeen, the biggest city is built around Arrakeen Palace. It's all protected by the Shield Wall, a huge mountain range surrounding the area. Most of the lower latitudes are barren desert with some rocky and mountainous areas, but just vast oceans of sand. So worms, often called Shai-Hulud (The Old Man of the Desert) by the Fremen, roam free, attracted to vibrations like spice harvesters and shields (never wear a shield in the deep desert) and thumpers, which call the worms for the Fremen to ride. As worms can live thousands of years, and can be as large as 400 meters, no one knows exactly how many there are.
I am so sorry to see another person think that Dune is like Star Wars. Its totally the other way around. It was written in the 1960's long before SW was filmed.
I would recommend watching the 1984 Dune, but only after you see Part 2. The '84 Version is both parts, and some differences. The '84 is taken from the book, but not a word for word.
My little peace of SASS watches the new Dune. I recommend watching these on the biggest screen possible- the way it’s meant to be seen. I read the book along time ago because I am a fan of the super weird David Lynch dune from 1984. For all the haters, early 80s was a great movie for science fiction: blade runner. Tron. Star Trek 2. hello?
I read the Frank Herbert books back in the late 80s when I was 11 to around 14 years old. I remember more than the bits and pieces of the others, but still not much. Most of what I do remember was what the 84 movie reinforced back in the day.
06:19 YES. The Bene Gesserit can indeed choose the gender of their children. If they know what poison they've ingested they can neutralize it. Their control over their own bodies is that extreme. 16:27 Gurney Halleck's fate (and that of Thufir Hawat) will be revealed in the next movie. Or, should be. 17:40 I am so impressed you see the potential of that cliffhanger. And you're actually not far off. Paul has to make the decision that would lead to precisely that future, or not. 19:56 There must be thousands and thousands of sand worms. You did better than "pretty good."
"The most American name ever." SMFH. Eh, that's not fair, sorry. For what it's worth, (and I'm not unaware of the 'Akshully' nature of this response), the name 'Paul' has been used for thousands of years across most all countries and languages. Paulus, Paolo, Pablo, Pavel, Paulino, Pau, Pasha... they're all versions of Paul. Families, and in particular old money families, love maintaining a link with their ancestors, and the easiest way of doing this is to re-use "family" names. So a name surviving into the far future is the most natural thing ever.
I think you take the point too literally. Whether Yasmina knows that or not, it's a very generic sounding name in an anglosphere country. So I think her point stands. I do think it is more jarring these days to have a protagonist in a far future sci-fi / fantasy setting with a contemporarily popular name. Clearly Frank didn't just make the choice to give him the name because it's old, but at least on one level because it wouldn't be alienating to the reader.
FWIW, the origin of the name Atreides is from Atreus, the father (or grandfather) of Agamemnon, the king of Mycenae at the time of the Trojan War (his brother, Menelaus, is the one who gets cucked by Paris).
The book is amazing. It recommend the audiobook version. Its 52 hours long and you will want more And there are 5 more books . Well worth the investment.
I'm glad you can feel how we all felt first reading Dune. You're not alone with all your questions, trust me. The women are Bene Gesserit, so is Paul's mother, Lady Jessica. They have the ability to control their molecules, and can choose which gender baby would be born. This is actually very important to the series, that Jessica thought she could give birth to "the one," (i don't wanna type out the name, this is easier.) I'll leave it at that, haha.
The voice is based on neurolinguistic programming. Herbert managed to know this before the creation of the NLP itself. You can implant reactions in people's brain using the right tone and body language. Regarding to names... this is the only sci fi work related to real human history, so the names are historical. We still use historical names now after thousands of years. You haven't read the book, didn't you?
The first dune novel came out in 1965 and Denis Villeneuve split the book into 2 films. The first 3 novels of dune all came out before the first star wars movie was made. It's also set about 25,000 years into our future the 10191 year is like how we have BC and AD when space travel was invented they started the age from then so it's been 10,191 years since space travel invented and the creation of the spacing guild.
I’m glad your young enough to enjoy this version as your first. I grew up with the 80’s Dune and the 2000 mini-series (terrible!). This version is a masterpiece.
Hi Yasmina , I just watched Dune today for my first time , Glad to see your reaction today too, Hope you're excited to see the second movie part 2 I'm seeing it this weekend. Also my nickname is Dune :)
I can definitely recommend reading the book/books if the movie gripped you, while some of the actual events of the novel have been changed, the world itself is the same, and really the books are renowned more for their worldbuilding than their actual stories. You can think of the book as the 36-hour version of the movie, the same stuff, but with 3 days more explained.
His visions are tapping into his genetic memory on femal and male sides of all time. He sees that Jamis will teach him a lot. it just happened quick and not in a montage.
The book series is amazing, however it's not for everyone. Far too many people urge people to read the book and then get annoyed when people tried and say that they didn't like it. Stylistically it's very different from modern fantasy and sci-fi, classic sci-fi deals much more with themes, philosophy, world-building, and a shit-ton of inner monologues while having little in the way of detailed descriptions of action. If it doesn't click for you, don't worry - it's not everybody's' cup of tea. I love this adaptation -Part 1 was phenomenal, just saw Part 2 and was even more blown away! Prolly the best movie I've ever seen in the theater!
It also has the weird problem of seeming extremely tropey/unoriginal, exactly because it was so original. It’s one of a few novels like Lord of the Rings that influenced almost all of its genres so heavily! Almost all modern sci-fi is influenced by it directly or indirectly, including huge amounts of far better known settings like Star Wars or (less popular but insanely closely inspired by Dune) Warhammer 40k. So many themes and tropes that can seem unoriginal in current sci-fi are drawn directly from Dune and Foundation.
Nice reaction! This film is the first half of the book, so, if you intend to read the book, I'd suggest doing it after watching Part 2, to avoid spoilers. (NB, I won't give any spoilers, but I'll note that there are some really important differences between Part 2 and the second half of the novel -- and I personally think that all of those differences make the film better than the book.)
I have to say, I agree that there was a point in the last third where I think the movie would have been better ended. For me it ran long, like someone was trying to spend money and prove themselves. However I still think it rounds up to being a perfect movie. Keep up the wise commentary!
I like this version for the most part, my biggest thing is i don't think they should've included the Jamis fight/they kinda got it wrong. Leaving out one of Jessica's best lines from the book also annoyed me.
When you asked if the Bene Gesserit can choose the sex of their offspring, yes they can. With enough training they can alter their bodies chemistry and metabolism. Including their reproductive system.
My recommendation if you want to read the book is to stop right after Paul defeats Jamis in the fight, that way you won't get spoilers for Dune part 2. I haven't seen the second movie yet, but there's some important stuff that happens in the book right after that, so at least if you stop there you'll have a proper "first watch" reaction. That said, there's a few sub-plots that the movie skips, and a few things that happen at different times. I am curious whether one sub-plot will come into play in part 2, as we're yet to see the full impact of the Harkonnen invasion, and what happens to the rest of the Atreides crew. It does explain Gurney Halleck's absence after they arrive at Arrakis.
I definitely would not pause the book in the middle. It's so dense with information, I think you benefit from reading the whole thing relatively quickly, so that everything is at the top of your mind. If I'd read it slowly, I feel certain there are things I would've missed.
you may wonder why the technology in this universe seems so low tech. in the past of this universe there was an event that is known as "the butlerian jehad". it was a time where thinking machines (artificial intelligence) had risen from the genius of man and where implemented everywhere. but some resisted this trend and a big war ensued. the ones against artificial intelligence won in the end and all thinking machines, advanced computers and tech based on this was destroyed. especially space travel was hit by this technology ban very hard, because safe navigation between the stars was impossible without AI support and 1 out of 10 ships that tried to travel to another star was lost. in this new age new orders emerged. for example the mentats, human males who where trained to discipline their minds to bridge the gap that the missing artificial intelligence left. they where not only experts in mathematics, they where also brilliant strategists, thinkers and planners, surpassing even what AI could do. another order that emerged where the bene gesserit, human females who trained their minds to enhance and control their own body chemistry, giving them superhuman abilities like "the voice". some even can move so quickly that it seems like they teleport. the missing technology from the lost era before "the butlerian jehad" gave rise to older principles of war again. you might ask yourself why fighting with swords is still a thing on a battlefield where missiles, guns, lasers and other more or less modern weapons are used. it got its renaissance when energy shields where invented. the shields in the dune universe block everything that goes fast. everything slow they let through. so, they block for examples bullets, shockwaves and shrapnell from explosions, most other projectiles as well. BUT there is one exeption: laser weapons. if a laser hits an energy shield the shield detonates in a nuclear explosion, also sending a feedback pulse back through the laser beam and exploding the gun itself as well. which such a big drawback to these weapons they are used rarely and carefully. that is why duncan idaho's ornithopter was first hit by a missile (to collapse its shield) and THEN the harkonens tried to shoot him down with the blue laser beam, to avoid desaster. this is why sword fighting is again part of their war culture, because its the best means to attack when personal energy shields are in widespread use. many modern weapons are more or less useless, but a delicate blade can penetrate a shield if it hits with the right speed in the right place. also: paul sees in his visions not THE future, but POSSIBLE futures. but he still gets the knowledge from them, if it comes true or not.
Your like the first person who's reacted to dune on UA-cam who put together wat Paul saw when he put his hand in the box is parts of the assault on araken by the harkoens and the saraukar. Most reactions never piece it together.
Had to stop when the name thing bothered you being so far in the future. Family names get passed down, and have been for hundreds of years irl. wtf are you talking about.
I think you take the point too literally. Whether Yasmina knows that or not, it's a very generic sounding name in an anglosphere country. So I think her point stands. I do think it is more jarring these days to have a protagonist in a far future sci-fi / fantasy setting with a contemporarily popular name. Clearly Frank didn't just make the choice to give him the name because it's old, but at least on one level because it wouldn't be alienating to the reader.
Ok, I grew up with Dune and love the movie, but yeah… “What’s in the box” unfailingly reminds me of _that_ scene, glad to see others with the same problem!
I do like this version but I have to say the original will forever be the way I see Dune and no the visials are not good there and yes some look stupid but I don't care..Sting the singer was in it when he was younger and Patrick Stuert as well and that is all I need haha just kidding. Any way I feel like the original explians things a lot better though if you do see it know that it is long because it is one long story instead of being cut into 3 parts the way they did with this one. I might see the second one in the theaters I have not decided yet because I am hoping it is better than this movie was. Any way good reaction as always and I have not read the book even though I do own the first one..there are about 7 or so of them in the series.
@@SwiftJustice, however, Star Wars IS derived from Dune (which is just as limitless as Star Wars). Check what George Lucas says about his inspirations.
Just a heads up. If you can manage to read the book before part 2 comes out(It is a dang big book) then there will be spoilers. Dune part 1 and part 2 are Dune book one. By all means you should read the books because there are a lot of explanations that you don’t get from the movie that help clear up some issues. I would just wait until after watching part 2. For those of us who have already read the books it is kinda of frustrating not being able to tell you things that would help you understand better without spoling it. Also, it would help if the generations brought up on super hero’s would not try to campare this to those movies. The abilities in this world are learned through training and decades of evolution not from spider bites. Don’t get me wrong I love Spider Man but this is not that. Just to show what a differnt world we live in now in the books the word Juhad is used a lot but they very purposefully left it out of the movie. Denis Villeneuve has come the closest to following the book than any of the past attempts.
This version of dune is more about cinematography and drama, and less about storytelling. There are whole storylines left out that were in the 1984 movie. You should watch the movie from 1984 or the tv miniseries from 2000. If you read the books, the first one is great, and the second book is OK. But after that the story goes off the rails and just gets crazy.
Y'all be out here throwing shade on Yasmina, complaining that Paul is an old name, when the point was that Paul and Duncan are very generic names contemporary to our times. The book is set 20,000 years in the future (just observing that the movie glosses over the complexity of what the year 10,191 actually refers to), and plenty of characters have more or less familiar sounding names. Clearly Frank Herbert could have chosen less familiar or even outlandish names for his main characters, but made choices for relatability purposes in 1968. Nowadays, I think it would be less common for an author to fall back on more familiar names. Now, those people throwing shade, your logic is circular and tangential to Yasmina's point. The only proper response is, "the author wants you to imagine a generic white boy", which leans into Yasmina's concern. Because a name has survived 2,000 years till our present day, does not entail that it will survive another 10,000 or 20,000 years. Much of the survival of names has to do with the persistence of religion and culture, but what isn't clear is whether the form would be recognisable. Herbert can probably get away with it well enough since many of the religious components of the novel suggest that some of the scriptures of our time survive in some form into the distant future. People need to think before they condescend.
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Jamis did end up being Paul's mentor. In forcing Paul to kill him, he taught him the ways of the desert, that Paul needs to learn to kill to survive, and to leave his childhood behind, so he can rise to meet his destiny.
To be fair, the name Paul is thousands of years old for us right now as well lol. Also, one interpretation of the Jamis stuff could be that Paul isn't seeing his visions through his own eyes.
Paul sees multiple possible futures. That's why he sees Jamis teaching him before they meet.
Yes Paul has been around since the Romans over 2 thousand years.
@@KHR0M3K0R4N And in a way, the vision was right. Jamis *did* teach Paul the way of the desert. A life for a life.
@@KHR0M3K0R4N Isnt it that the visions are not literal. The vision showed him Jamis was going to teach him the ways of the fremen, He did in fact show him the ways of the fremen but not exactly as seen in the vision but the essence of the vision was still true.
Also no one ever says anything about names like Ben or Luke in Star Wars despite that taking place a “long time ago in a galaxy far far away”
The shields stop fast moving objects. That is why no one uses guns. Lasers exist, but they explode when they hit shields. That is also why Paul looks like he is toying with Jamis. He was trained to get close, then slow down to go through the shield.
'Explodes when they hit shields' is putting it lightly. It's basically a nuclear explosion
@eliklein6873 "The shields stop fast moving objects." - And yet, somehow it's not doing that to oxygen or carbon dioxide molecules...
"Lasers exist, but they explode when they hit shields." - Actually, the book explains that both the laser and the shield generator would explode instantaneously, should the two fields connect. I don't recall this phenomenon being elaborated upon any further than just a statement of fact; it is not clear why this is nor used to render shields largely unusable, by simply attacking high-value shielded targets with sacrificial laser weaponry... One could infer that lasers are just as costly to produce as shielded craft/vehicles/structures would be as well, and therefore no material advantage would be forthcoming from applying such tactics.
@@nicadi2005 Better to say they stop particles with a large amount of kinetic energy; molecules have such low mass that even at 300m/s or so, they don't have much kinetic energy.
The book also explains the the shield is calibrated to let air through, which is why it has a kinetic energy threshold at all to exploit, because if it didn't, the user would suffocate, It also explains the the shield reflects the kinetic energy at the point of impact, hence the energy of the laser is reflected in such an amount that it splits or fuses the atoms of surrounding matter
Names: Piter DeVries is as mundane a Netherlands / Dutch name as is possible to have. Peter from Friesland ( a part of the Netherlands ).
Vladimir is mundane Russian, Jessica is ancient and common, Atreides is Greek, and ancient. Harkonnen I don't track down.
Shaddam IV of House Corrino, emperor of the known universe has a mundane Iraqi name and an Italian one.
The gathering of the Houses Great and Minor is know as the Landsraat; a gathering of nobles of the Austro-Hungarian Empire ( 'where the landed gentry speak' ).
Paul is about as ancient a name as is possible to have, except for perhaps Arthur ( bear ) or John ( also bear IIRC ).
Glossu Rabban of Lankiviel is more difficult, but Count Fenring is a Scandinavian / German name. His wife Margot has a mundane name.
I think harkonnen is Finnish or Nordick but I could be mistaken
The year 10191 is based on the founding of the Spacing Guild in the Dune Universe. It would be written 10191 AG (After Guild). The Spacing Guild was founded approximately in the year 13000 AD So you're looking at the story being 24000 AD using our calendar.
Duncan Idaho is the Weapons Master of House Atreides which is why the idea of a single Fremen warrior almost defeating him is so important. Facing the attack of the Harkonnen soldiers simply provides him with a "target-rich environment."
He's actually one of the best fighters of the Imperium. Atreides troops are fearsome because they are trained by him and Gurney, which is why the fremen are even more impressive.
If you read the book it tells you the nature of Paul's visions.
mild book spoiler:
Paul's visions are of possible futures, but as his powers grow he can use this knowledge to "change" what happens - he just did this when he used his vision during the fight to see what he had to do to win.
"change" because its really more like pick a path to a possible future.
Also this is somewhat similar to how the spacing guild navigators use spice to "see" a path through FTL space.
Dune was one of George Lucas’s influences when he created Star Wars.
"Well I don't know anyone named _Obi-Wan_ , but old Ben lives out beyond the dune sea. Kind of a strange old hermit."
The wavy sand is actually a real phenomena, Fluidization. If it vibrates enough it becomes liquid like (imagine the states of matter physics class but in a scale you can actually touch, solid is stationary, liquid is near constant movement), easier way to witness it is to stand in the shallow of the beach for a bit, you'll feel the sand flow away like liquid (yeah, the water helps, but standing in fuildizing grain isn't exactly safe)
Paul the Apostle was arguably the most important (post-Jesus) figure in the early spread of Christianity and has several books in the Bible based on him and his letters. John Paul II was the Catholic Pope into the 21st century. In a film that focuses heavily on religion (and manipulation of religion) it is actually a fairly apt name.
Duncan feels a bit more "meh" but means dark/dark-haired warrior in Gaelic. Several early Scottish kings were called Duncan (as well as kings of predecessor kingdoms in Ireland) and King Duncan is the victim of Macbeth's regicide in the Shakespeare play, a tragedy.
The names were probably not completely plucked out of thin air by Herbert.
I mean, he literally picked "Vladimir Harkonnen" out of the phone book. :) It always sends me when people get hung up on the "weird science fiction names" in Dune. The ones people are most complaining about are regular names! Just not american ones!
A moment worth pointing out. Paul twice says 'I recognise your footsteps old man' when Gurney is approaching him, once on Caladan, once on Arrakis.
'Sahi-Hulud' is 'Old Man of the desert'. The worm.
It's funny. So many people hated Dune (1983). So many people thought Dune (2021) was boring, thus the lack of "reaction" videos up until a week ago. But now, with Dune 2 being hailed as maybe the greatest sci-fi ever, those people seem to be disappearing. All want to get on the band wagon now.
I love the double meaning of the "I recognize your footsteps Old Man" when he's under the influence of the Spice...Shai Hulud translates to Old Man of the Desert.
Yeah and the main character in Star Wars is named Luke!
Paul and Duncan are stupid names. I like cool very realistic name like Luke Skywalker.
Duncan Idaho is just a hilarious, grounding, disarming name. Love it so much because it's so goofy
@@TheJerbol I feel like he and Indiana Jones would be drinking buddies.
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Duncan Idaho is a wild name 😂 but if you know the characters story you know he deserves such a wild name
Duncan Idaho was actually a placeholder name Frank gave the character while writing the book, but he ended up liking it so much that he kept it in the final draft.
The Bene Gesserit Sisterhood has near complete control of their Physiology, so yes, they can determine what the sex of a child will be.
I hope you can walk part 2 in theaters especially in IMAX it's such a fantastic experience. I just got back from seeing it on a full-sized screen earlier tonight.
The year is 10191 AG ( after guild ).
The current dating runs from when the Spacing Guild of Navigators replaced chancy spaceflight with perfect navigation through the use of spice.
The time of the film is an unknown length of time in the future, and Earth may actually be semi-forgotten.
The planets of Arrakis, Caladan and Geidi Prime are around stars not actually far from Sol, Earth's star. Delta Pavonis for example, is something like 22 light years IIRC.
Idaho is a native American word. Nearly all names come from ancestral sources. These are humans, not aliens. They would have human names. Why would humans suddenly invent new names like Gargaboon?
My first name is over 2k years old it doesn't surprise me that Paul would be name that lasts and considering that he is the Kwisatz Haderach the name Paul which means Humble and Small is quite the turn play. Frank Herbert knew what he was doing. The people who find this movie boring are the type who have no interest in looking deeper into the lore and are only interested in the surface level story but this is the kind of story that has a ton of layers. There are so many things they barely scratch the surface of like the Sardaukar and the Spacing Guild. Both of those elements of the story are insane and highly entertaining when you read their lore.
The humble, small desert mouse of Arrakis which is called muad'dib in the Fremen language. It's shape is seen on the second, smaller moon of Arrakis.
Paul misses this, and then acts as if he'd chosen to be the Hand of God, which is the mark on the first moon of Arrakis.
"That's sweet. I feel that Duncan's gonna die" .. honestly the way this was delivered had me choking on my drink 😂
Honestly, I think part of the reason we see visions of Jamis is the filmmakers nodding to elements of the book that they struggle to include. The short answer though is, the amtal -the challenge he makes, sets Paul up to learn the first lesson of the desert - the strong survive. Then they wrap Jamis's body and take him with them, instead of burying him. This is important for how the tribe works and survives, and you'll see that in part 2 / in the book.
(1:40) Just to be clear, Star Wars didn't influence Dune. Dune influenced Star Wars
There a characters in the Dune universe that have genetic memories that reach back thousands of years. That's how and why these characters can be named things we consider normal names.
I just got back from Dune Part 2. Whatever you thought of Part 1, the second part is an AMAZING piece of cinema.
Star Wars is basically a cartoon. Dune is serious science fiction.
Lord of the Rings by Tolkien, Foundation by Asimov and Dune by Herbert are the basis in which all modern Sci FI was created. Most writers and movie makers grew up as fans of stories of these books or other books that were written after them. Dune has been the holy grail of movie making. Star Wars was heavily influenced by Dune. Villeneuve has been able to put to screen what people have wanted since the 1970s. There is a TV series from the Sci Fi channel that followed the books rather well but lacked the production aspect of a full motion picture. Howe ever you look at it the movies are a shorted version of the story of Dune. This first movie is about the first 100 pages of the first book. The first book is about a third of the story Herbert wanted to tell. To put it in a way the hero of the story has not been born yet and who knows if anyone will do movies of the next two books much less go into Herbert's son's books. Dune is a very huge story and lore that is almost impossible to get into via the motion picture medium.
Paul see the paths for the future. The breeding program of the Bene Gesserit is to bring forth the Kwisatz Haderach. The being that will see the "true" path that will see humanity into the future. The current course that humanity is on will only end in the end of the human race. The Kwisatz Haderach is the one who can see the path to the future.
Dina is not science fiction because there is no technology in it that significantly changes a person's life. The spice changes, but it is not a scientific technological invention, but a natural product.
The novel and its sequels are a huge meditation on politics, ecology, economics, spirituality, religion, history, psychology (especially Jungian), the danger of charismatic leaders, and the messianic impulse. Frank Herbert set out to craft a story that turned all of the "Chosen One" tropes inside out, while at the same time showing that history has repeating patterns (like Dukes, Barons, and Emperors over 10,000 years in the future). Herbert once said that "...charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: May be dangerous to your health."
- 17:26 - Frank Herbert breaks the story into three parts in the novel. It is this scene that basically ends the first part of the book. The film goes into the first few chapters of the second part, but cuts off at a rather odd point, with the death of Jamis. The second film will begin with what happens next.
- The mouse is a kangaroo mouse...and it's important to Paul's story. It is a muad'dib (teacher).
- The worms of Arrakis are innumerable. Most of the movie's action centers around the planet's northern polar region, where Arrakeen, the biggest city is built around Arrakeen Palace. It's all protected by the Shield Wall, a huge mountain range surrounding the area. Most of the lower latitudes are barren desert with some rocky and mountainous areas, but just vast oceans of sand. So worms, often called Shai-Hulud (The Old Man of the Desert) by the Fremen, roam free, attracted to vibrations like spice harvesters and shields (never wear a shield in the deep desert) and thumpers, which call the worms for the Fremen to ride. As worms can live thousands of years, and can be as large as 400 meters, no one knows exactly how many there are.
When you read the book, I think you'll be impressed how they got the first half of the book onto the screen the way they did.
Part 2 just… absolutely pulls off making an impossible story into a great film. Villeneuve makes some incredible choices to make it work so well.
I am so sorry to see another person think that Dune is like Star Wars. Its totally the other way around. It was written in the 1960's long before SW was filmed.
I would recommend watching the 1984 Dune, but only after you see Part 2. The '84 Version is both parts, and some differences. The '84 is taken from the book, but not a word for word.
Also its technically the year 22,000 AD give or take a couple centuries lol
George lucas said this was one of his inspirations for Star Wars .
1:55 - Wait until you meet “Duncan Idaho” 😂
I always got the sense that his visions of Jamis were not of the future but of the past and it was through Chani/Zendaya's eyes rather than Paul's
My little peace of SASS watches the new Dune. I recommend watching these on the biggest screen possible- the way it’s meant to be seen. I read the book along time ago because I am a fan of the super weird David Lynch dune from 1984. For all the haters, early 80s was a great movie for science fiction: blade runner. Tron. Star Trek 2. hello?
Already watched part two and let me say, it's pretty good.
I’ve heard really good things about it! I’m excited to watch it
Damn, I like how you took notes.
Also, I recommend Alt Shift X's video about Dune to see the differences between the movie and the books.
I read the Frank Herbert books back in the late 80s when I was 11 to around 14 years old. I remember more than the bits and pieces of the others, but still not much. Most of what I do remember was what the 84 movie reinforced back in the day.
There were hundreds of sandworms, but they are highly territorial so it's unlikely to see multiple at one time.
06:19 YES. The Bene Gesserit can indeed choose the gender of their children. If they know what poison they've ingested they can neutralize it. Their control over their own bodies is that extreme.
16:27 Gurney Halleck's fate (and that of Thufir Hawat) will be revealed in the next movie. Or, should be.
17:40 I am so impressed you see the potential of that cliffhanger. And you're actually not far off. Paul has to make the decision that would lead to precisely that future, or not.
19:56 There must be thousands and thousands of sand worms.
You did better than "pretty good."
"The most American name ever." SMFH. Eh, that's not fair, sorry. For what it's worth, (and I'm not unaware of the 'Akshully' nature of this response), the name 'Paul' has been used for thousands of years across most all countries and languages. Paulus, Paolo, Pablo, Pavel, Paulino, Pau, Pasha... they're all versions of Paul. Families, and in particular old money families, love maintaining a link with their ancestors, and the easiest way of doing this is to re-use "family" names. So a name surviving into the far future is the most natural thing ever.
I think you take the point too literally. Whether Yasmina knows that or not, it's a very generic sounding name in an anglosphere country. So I think her point stands. I do think it is more jarring these days to have a protagonist in a far future sci-fi / fantasy setting with a contemporarily popular name. Clearly Frank didn't just make the choice to give him the name because it's old, but at least on one level because it wouldn't be alienating to the reader.
FWIW, the origin of the name Atreides is from Atreus, the father (or grandfather) of Agamemnon, the king of Mycenae at the time of the Trojan War (his brother, Menelaus, is the one who gets cucked by Paris).
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t in dune lore, the Atriedes are direct descendents of Agamemnon iirc
@@system0fadowner251Who is, in turn, descended from Atreus, hence the name.
You’ll love Dune Part II
I just watched the second one today, greatest movie I've ever seen on cinema even if has some changes from the books.
The book is amazing. It recommend the audiobook version. Its 52 hours long and you will want more
And there are 5 more books . Well worth the investment.
Paul’s name shows how his family comes from an old earthen family in Greece I believe
I'm glad you can feel how we all felt first reading Dune. You're not alone with all your questions, trust me.
The women are Bene Gesserit, so is Paul's mother, Lady Jessica. They have the ability to control their molecules, and can choose which gender baby would be born.
This is actually very important to the series, that Jessica thought she could give birth to "the one," (i don't wanna type out the name, this is easier.) I'll leave it at that, haha.
The voice is based on neurolinguistic programming. Herbert managed to know this before the creation of the NLP itself. You can implant reactions in people's brain using the right tone and body language. Regarding to names... this is the only sci fi work related to real human history, so the names are historical. We still use historical names now after thousands of years. You haven't read the book, didn't you?
The first dune novel came out in 1965 and Denis Villeneuve split the book into 2 films. The first 3 novels of dune all came out before the first star wars movie was made. It's also set about 25,000 years into our future the 10191 year is like how we have BC and AD when space travel was invented they started the age from then so it's been 10,191 years since space travel invented and the creation of the spacing guild.
I’m glad your young enough to enjoy this version as your first. I grew up with the 80’s Dune and the 2000 mini-series (terrible!). This version is a masterpiece.
Hi Yasmina , I just watched Dune today for my first time , Glad to see your reaction today too, Hope you're excited to see the second movie part 2 I'm seeing it this weekend.
Also my nickname is Dune :)
I can definitely recommend reading the book/books if the movie gripped you, while some of the actual events of the novel have been changed, the world itself is the same, and really the books are renowned more for their worldbuilding than their actual stories. You can think of the book as the 36-hour version of the movie, the same stuff, but with 3 days more explained.
I got the Dune soundtrack on my gym playlist. So good
I had no idea we had the best pilot in the Resistance on board.
His visions are tapping into his genetic memory on femal and male sides of all time. He sees that Jamis will teach him a lot. it just happened quick and not in a montage.
The book is amazing
Will be seeing part 2 this Monday I can't wait. I loved your reaction and hope you enjoy both part 2 and the book.
One of my favorite books
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The concept artist who designed the pet confirmed that it is a genetically modified human meant to resemble a spider
Those damned Tleilaxu
The little sand mouse that you keep seeing is called a "muad'ib" in the Fremen tongue.
puts book back on shelf 🤣
The book series is amazing, however it's not for everyone. Far too many people urge people to read the book and then get annoyed when people tried and say that they didn't like it. Stylistically it's very different from modern fantasy and sci-fi, classic sci-fi deals much more with themes, philosophy, world-building, and a shit-ton of inner monologues while having little in the way of detailed descriptions of action. If it doesn't click for you, don't worry - it's not everybody's' cup of tea. I love this adaptation -Part 1 was phenomenal, just saw Part 2 and was even more blown away! Prolly the best movie I've ever seen in the theater!
It also has the weird problem of seeming extremely tropey/unoriginal, exactly because it was so original. It’s one of a few novels like Lord of the Rings that influenced almost all of its genres so heavily! Almost all modern sci-fi is influenced by it directly or indirectly, including huge amounts of far better known settings like Star Wars or (less popular but insanely closely inspired by Dune) Warhammer 40k. So many themes and tropes that can seem unoriginal in current sci-fi are drawn directly from Dune and Foundation.
You're the best movie reactor/filmmaker out there.
I would have recommended reading the book first. It's so rich and dense that the film is a breeze comparatively.
Nice reaction! This film is the first half of the book, so, if you intend to read the book, I'd suggest doing it after watching Part 2, to avoid spoilers. (NB, I won't give any spoilers, but I'll note that there are some really important differences between Part 2 and the second half of the novel -- and I personally think that all of those differences make the film better than the book.)
OKAY FINE I SUBSCRIBED IT WAS TOO WELL DONE
Wait until you read the book. This is a good adaptation for what it is but there is a LOT of subtext missing.
Zendaya is both in the movie for three minutes and in the movie constantly.
The second part of the movie deviates a little from the book story, but I'm okay with that. Quit with the names. It's just names lol
I have to say, I agree that there was a point in the last third where I think the movie would have been better ended. For me it ran long, like someone was trying to spend money and prove themselves. However I still think it rounds up to being a perfect movie. Keep up the wise commentary!
It’s not surprising that some contemporary names have persisted into the deep future. It’s a literate society.
The Dr wife was that spider creature
I like this version for the most part, my biggest thing is i don't think they should've included the Jamis fight/they kinda got it wrong. Leaving out one of Jessica's best lines from the book also annoyed me.
When you asked if the Bene Gesserit can choose the sex of their offspring, yes they can. With enough training they can alter their bodies chemistry and metabolism. Including their reproductive system.
You should do a book review too, even if its just a community.
We have these cool names....Johnny Utah!
My recommendation if you want to read the book is to stop right after Paul defeats Jamis in the fight, that way you won't get spoilers for Dune part 2. I haven't seen the second movie yet, but there's some important stuff that happens in the book right after that, so at least if you stop there you'll have a proper "first watch" reaction.
That said, there's a few sub-plots that the movie skips, and a few things that happen at different times. I am curious whether one sub-plot will come into play in part 2, as we're yet to see the full impact of the Harkonnen invasion, and what happens to the rest of the Atreides crew. It does explain Gurney Halleck's absence after they arrive at Arrakis.
I definitely would not pause the book in the middle. It's so dense with information, I think you benefit from reading the whole thing relatively quickly, so that everything is at the top of your mind. If I'd read it slowly, I feel certain there are things I would've missed.
you may wonder why the technology in this universe seems so low tech. in the past of this universe there was an event that is known as "the butlerian jehad". it was a time where thinking machines (artificial intelligence) had risen from the genius of man and where implemented everywhere. but some resisted this trend and a big war ensued. the ones against artificial intelligence won in the end and all thinking machines, advanced computers and tech based on this was destroyed.
especially space travel was hit by this technology ban very hard, because safe navigation between the stars was impossible without AI support and 1 out of 10 ships that tried to travel to another star was lost.
in this new age new orders emerged. for example the mentats, human males who where trained to discipline their minds to bridge the gap that the missing artificial intelligence left. they where not only experts in mathematics, they where also brilliant strategists, thinkers and planners, surpassing even what AI could do.
another order that emerged where the bene gesserit, human females who trained their minds to enhance and control their own body chemistry, giving them superhuman abilities like "the voice". some even can move so quickly that it seems like they teleport.
the missing technology from the lost era before "the butlerian jehad" gave rise to older principles of war again. you might ask yourself why fighting with swords is still a thing on a battlefield where missiles, guns, lasers and other more or less modern weapons are used. it got its renaissance when energy shields where invented. the shields in the dune universe block everything that goes fast. everything slow they let through. so, they block for examples bullets, shockwaves and shrapnell from explosions, most other projectiles as well. BUT there is one exeption: laser weapons. if a laser hits an energy shield the shield detonates in a nuclear explosion, also sending a feedback pulse back through the laser beam and exploding the gun itself as well. which such a big drawback to these weapons they are used rarely and carefully. that is why duncan idaho's ornithopter was first hit by a missile (to collapse its shield) and THEN the harkonens tried to shoot him down with the blue laser beam, to avoid desaster. this is why sword fighting is again part of their war culture, because its the best means to attack when personal energy shields are in widespread use. many modern weapons are more or less useless, but a delicate blade can penetrate a shield if it hits with the right speed in the right place.
also: paul sees in his visions not THE future, but POSSIBLE futures. but he still gets the knowledge from them, if it comes true or not.
Your like the first person who's reacted to dune on UA-cam who put together wat Paul saw when he put his hand in the box is parts of the assault on araken by the harkoens and the saraukar. Most reactions never piece it together.
Had to stop when the name thing bothered you being so far in the future. Family names get passed down, and have been for hundreds of years irl. wtf are you talking about.
This reaction was great wym lmao
I think you take the point too literally. Whether Yasmina knows that or not, it's a very generic sounding name in an anglosphere country. So I think her point stands. I do think it is more jarring these days to have a protagonist in a far future sci-fi / fantasy setting with a contemporarily popular name. Clearly Frank didn't just make the choice to give him the name because it's old, but at least on one level because it wouldn't be alienating to the reader.
Ok, I grew up with Dune and love the movie, but yeah… “What’s in the box” unfailingly reminds me of _that_ scene, glad to see others with the same problem!
I do like this version but I have to say the original will forever be the way I see Dune and no the visials are not good there and yes some look stupid but I don't care..Sting the singer was in it when he was younger and Patrick Stuert as well and that is all I need haha just kidding. Any way I feel like the original explians things a lot better though if you do see it know that it is long because it is one long story instead of being cut into 3 parts the way they did with this one. I might see the second one in the theaters I have not decided yet because I am hoping it is better than this movie was. Any way good reaction as always and I have not read the book even though I do own the first one..there are about 7 or so of them in the series.
Come on girl, give my man Frank Herbert a break on the names 😂
Dune is not like Star Wars. The causal arrow is reversed.
Star Wars is limitless. There's star wars for kids and there's star wars for adults and even star wars for all audiences.
_Git Gud_
@@SwiftJustice, however, Star Wars IS derived from Dune (which is just as limitless as Star Wars). Check what George Lucas says about his inspirations.
oh yeah whatever... you got the book but you didn't read it, and the most outrageous thing to you is the name Paul...... DENIED! thumbs down
Just a heads up. If you can manage to read the book before part 2 comes out(It is a dang big book) then there will be spoilers. Dune part 1 and part 2 are Dune book one. By all means you should read the books because there are a lot of explanations that you don’t get from the movie that help clear up some issues. I would just wait until after watching part 2. For those of us who have already read the books it is kinda of frustrating not being able to tell you things that would help you understand better without spoling it. Also, it would help if the generations brought up on super hero’s would not try to campare this to those movies. The abilities in this world are learned through training and decades of evolution not from spider bites. Don’t get me wrong I love Spider Man but this is not that. Just to show what a differnt world we live in now in the books the word Juhad is used a lot but they very purposefully left it out of the movie. Denis Villeneuve has come the closest to following the book than any of the past attempts.
The end of Part One is actually the end of Book One in the novel.
This version of dune is more about cinematography and drama, and less about storytelling. There are whole storylines left out that were in the 1984 movie. You should watch the movie from 1984 or the tv miniseries from 2000. If you read the books, the first one is great, and the second book is OK. But after that the story goes off the rails and just gets crazy.
Y'all be out here throwing shade on Yasmina, complaining that Paul is an old name, when the point was that Paul and Duncan are very generic names contemporary to our times. The book is set 20,000 years in the future (just observing that the movie glosses over the complexity of what the year 10,191 actually refers to), and plenty of characters have more or less familiar sounding names. Clearly Frank Herbert could have chosen less familiar or even outlandish names for his main characters, but made choices for relatability purposes in 1968. Nowadays, I think it would be less common for an author to fall back on more familiar names.
Now, those people throwing shade, your logic is circular and tangential to Yasmina's point. The only proper response is, "the author wants you to imagine a generic white boy", which leans into Yasmina's concern. Because a name has survived 2,000 years till our present day, does not entail that it will survive another 10,000 or 20,000 years. Much of the survival of names has to do with the persistence of religion and culture, but what isn't clear is whether the form would be recognisable. Herbert can probably get away with it well enough since many of the religious components of the novel suggest that some of the scriptures of our time survive in some form into the distant future.
People need to think before they condescend.
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