@Pints With Aquinas Matt Fraad, Have you considered inviting Roy Schoeman to a dialogue of his experience with Jesus and Mary who inspired his conversion to Catholicism? I hope it comes about. He has a compelling journey. God bless you brother.
Ooooo.... that, was, fun!!!! Having spent so many years in protestant church and finally coming back to find out how much richness I was ignorant of, this civil, fun, and amicable conversation just warms my heart with thanksgiving of charity for our fellow brothers and sisters in God.
@@bulldozer8997 I'm glad that as Matt W is a pastor he would have thick enough skin to be able to brush off such a triumphalist and stupid comment. NEWSFLASH!! Matt Whitman is a Protestant and he believes Protestant things. Short of Anglo Catholics, Matt W is actually closer to the Catholic position than almost all other Protestants.
I am Catholic now. Matt Whitman brought me back into active involvement with any type of Christianity. He is a tireless worker for souls. Matt, may God bless you.
@@tettertostironi7529 In my own personal experience TMBH helped me go from "not interested in organized religion at all" to "I need to take my relationship with Jesus and His church more seriously." After I got to that point the Holy Spirit moved me to the true Catholic faith. I would imagine that he has helped others into the Catholic Church in a similar way. All that said, it would of course be better for him and all of us to more directly point outsiders towards the true faith. Please, pray for me and for both Matt and Matt - and all those who find their videos; That our Lord may lead us to know, love, and serve Him more perfectly every day. I will do the same. May God bless you.
To Matt Whitman, I’m a Catholic convert from a Protestant background. The only Catholic in my family. I love you man. I love your videos and the work you’re doing. Your work is much needed. Prayers of blessings for you and your family. Stay true to your convictions. I respect that.
Matt Whitman doesn't want to be Catholic (sad face), but his videos helped me convert to the Catholic faith so praise God for that. When he is brought before the Lord after his death he will account for all the people like me who he helped convert to the true faith
Thanks for your post, I was wondering about the question whether his videos that exposes protestants to a more honest representation of Catholicism would lead to conversions or whether he would be looked upon as a guy who is definitely not anti-catholic and definitely is willing to understand the faith but yet is still confortable with remaining protestant and thus made protestants to think "we'll this guy checked it out and is happy to still be protestant so I will stay where I am".
The Holy Spirit works in many wondrous ways to lead those Home toward Catholicism. Exploration can often take years of research and discernment along with prayer. Becoming Catholic is a life changing journey but the real joy occurs when one sits in silence and prayer in Adoration of Christ, actually physically receives God’s demonstration of love during the First time Sacrament of Reconciliation & Penance and feels liberated and reborn once again, finally understands the Sacraments, and realizes the power of reciting prayers on the Rosary and discovering someone receives a miracle who was offered to God and the Blessed Mother during humble intercession!! Welcome Home indeed!!! Thank you, Jesus Christ! ✝️🙏❣️
It gives me an immense amount of hope to see conversations like this... partially because not that long ago a good-faith public conversation between a Protestant and Catholic like this would have been impossible.
totally. when i was growing up my mothers side was protestant and my fathers side was catholic. ridiculous arguments “behind” each other’s backs… i was like “what’s wrong with these people?”
@@HabibJackson well there was no direct confrontation so it mostly just led me to explore other religions, which eventually led me back to Christianity as a whole. God really hit the nail with that one (pardon my humor) for those that truly explore it :) shout out to Buddhism though for awakening my spirit again though, but i digress
My Catholic grandmother married my Evangelical Lutheran grandfather in the mid-1920s. They were married in the vestibule of the Catholic Church and it was rather scandalous. He drove her to Mass and waited in the car to drive her home for over 55 years. As their Catholic grandchildren, we were taught that everyone who wasn't a Catholic was a heathen, so I worried about him as a child. I also struggled with why such a good man wouldn't go to Heaven. I'm glad this is no longer taught. By the way, when I went to see him in the hospital as he was dying, he told me, in case he died before Grandma arrived that morning, that he had just been baptized a Catholic. He told me to be sure to tell Grandma. Personally, I think that Jesus would have welcomed him either way.
My sister tells me that as a little girl , when our Baptist grandfather visited from back East , my parents would drop him off at the Southern Baptist church and then they would go on to Mass with the kids and my sister remembers being so concerned for his soul !! :)
Um no. That's heresy. "There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church" is dogma. Praise God that his grandfather entered the Church before he died.@@fighterofthenightman1057
As a born and raised Catholic who became a Protestant, I really appreciate this conversation. Can we have more of this please...fries/beer optional 🍟 🍻
I grew up as Protestant. And I'm still one! These conversations are such fun though, and needed in my opinion. You two are paragons of what it means to be respectful, good-faith, human Christians.
My question is why Matt would trust the early Church Fathers' opinions of what books constitute the Canon, but sort of shrug off their opinion on baptismal regeneration, the role of bishops and priests, the Eucharist as the body and blood of Christ, etc.? This was the deciding factor that got me to convert from Protestantism to Catholicism.
Same for my conversion as well -- prayer for the dead, intercessory role of the saints, sacramental confession, the authority of the Councils, reverence of Mary, reverence for relics of martyrs, etc.......
@@Anyone690 I don't know that he's intellectually dishonest - it's just hard to make such a big change, and easy to put up barriers. I did the same thing in different ways. It's easy when we've told ourselves the same things 300 times to make it 301, ya know? But like Chesterton said, "It is impossible to be just to the Catholic Church. The moment a man ceases to pull against it he feels a tug towards it. The moment he ceases to shout it down he begins to listen to it with pleasure. ... “It's one thing,” says Chesterton, “to conclude that Catholicism is good and another to conclude that it is right."
@The Catholic Integralist No it's not, if church creeds, canons and doctrines were done through the church fathers and not by need of a pope then Catholicism is false.
Why would Mary not being all-knowing be considered a flaw? A flaw is a defect, but creatures aren't meant to be all-knowing. That's only a quality of God. So "perfect" in regards to a creature would include not knowing everything. Catholics believe she didn't sin, not that she was omniscient.
That's blasphemous how dare you say that the Holy Virgin Mary mother of God was a sinner Imagine you saying those words to God himself... (God your Holy Mother sinned)....What do you think he would say to you an insignificant creature blaspheming against his most precious creation his Holy Mother
@@Vulcansrule6969lol that statement would have to include the incarnate Christ as well without inserting an exception. While man device exceptions, the Church appeals to God's plan. The Blessed Virgin was not exactly an exception. By the merit of Our Lord, she was created exceptional. If you believe in the virgin birth, you have submitted to half the answer. Remember the Church Fathers struggled with the same misgivings. "O Lord, how different are your paths from our clumsy imaginings." (Foundations 5.6)
Enjoying the discussion so far, gentlemen. As a Catholic, I agree with Pints: in essentials, unity; in non-essentials, diversity; in all things, charity.
I converted to Catholicism 8/23 it’s the most precious part of my life and I adore and honor and love my faith! There is more about it than I’ll prolly ever learn but I’m motivated to learn all I can. May the blessed Virgin Mary place you all under her mantle of protection
What a great CIVIL conversation. I was born in 1955. I'm so sick of folks who disagree calling out hate for each other. I believe in Jesus Christ who asked us to Love one another and not to hate. Praise God for both of you. God bless you both and your families. He has already blessed your families in that y'all love them very much.
When I first started taking my faith seriously, TMBH helped me get back into it and start learning about the faith, and later on I came across PWA and I'm currently attempting to get into an RCIA class. Bless both of you for having such a big impact on my life!
I wouldn't discount Orthodoxy either. Not saying that to discourage your move to Catholicism! Just don't want people to miss the other big tradition of the church and know it's easy to do so in the west.
A lot of it boils down to this; God is much more patient with us than we are with each other when it comes to what we believe and what we should believe.
I have very recently started attending a Catholic Church, I have spent the last 10 years of my life wrestling with God and resisting what I knew to be true. I was raised Baptist ( my father and grandfather were both pastors). I so deeply feel the same feelings that both of you express in this video. Thank you for taking the tine to formulate your thoughts so eloquently, and thank you for being willing to be honest and vulnerable. God's peace be with you both.
The best sermon I ever heard was on the lack of faith being normal. The (Lutheran) pastor said that sometimes he didn’t believe and that is okay. He put it this way, if science proves God, we are in trouble since by faith alone…. Belief is not meant to be easy. We all need to back the pressure off and support our brothers and sisters.
Been a fan of you both. TMBH has influenced me for a few years and helped me see the key unity points within the many facets of Christianity. Pints with Aquinas has showed me the flexibility that is allowed in the Catholic Church that i never had heard of as a protestant. Now I'm a proud Catholic that's all about ministering to both and promote the understanding of both sides and their differences.
Thank you! This was such a great show. It’s so refreshing to hear Christians of different backgrounds loving and respecting each other. As a Catholic Christian, I appreciate Matt Whitten for his heart and humility. He is also extremely articulate and likable. At the end, when he said, “You make your expression of Christianity look so beautiful,” it was one of the most beautiful compliments I’ve ever heard. I would love to see you do more shows together - not necessarily to debate beliefs or doctrines (I agree with Matt Whitten in that I don’t think we are ever going to achieve Christian unity by agreeing on stuff, but maybe, just maybe we can find unity by loving each other like you guys just showed). We may have our differences, but we’re all on the same team. Let’s come together and encourage each other.
Totally enjoyed this. I thank both of you for taking time to have this conversation. I was a protestant for 60 years and a Catholic for the last three. This conversation helped me to reconcile much in my heart and how to communicate it to others.
Welcome home! We are all in this journey to find what is true, good and beautiful. “Our hearts are restless, until they can find rest in you.” Augustine of Hippo
Good on ya Fradd for your charity during the interview. Ultimately most Protest/Catholic debates appear ancillary to two things: 1) Scripture & Tradition: there was no Bible for first 300 years … what did Christianity look like then? 2) Bread of Life / John 6 … the early church fathers were unanimous about holy Eucharist. How do Protestants reconcile these topics?
Yes I need to ask Protestant people this question about the bread of Life because I never came across it in several years what exactly some of them think it means and why. Is it translation or what?
There was no Bible for the first 300 years? Incorrect. There were the Hebrew scriptures in full!! And the earliest church fathers are quoting the apostles CONSTANTLY from their accounts. There was scripture, was it canonized? No, but itt was still there.
@@laraluna9365t's faith in Jesus. It's right there in the full chapter yet is ignored or not quoted consistently. John 6:34-35. "And Jesus said to them "I am the bread of life he who comes to me shall never hunger and he who believes in me shall never thirst." Comes and believes are VERY key words here. Just previous to this Jesus says in John 6:29 Jesus answered And said to him "This is the work of God, that you believe in him who he sent" these are both statements of FAITH. Same thing happened with Nicodemus, the woman at the well, the disciples. They misunderstand spiritual things! Even the Jews do! That's how they missed their Messiah. Same here. Jesus literally points out this very problem to Nicademus that if he can't understand earthly things how in the world can he understand spiritual things. This is consistent with all of the apostles teachings and Paul as well. I do believe there is some kind of presence but transubstantiation is over a 1000 years after the church got started and was not believed.
In my journey to Catholicism where I finally feel at peace and at home in, the main scripture among many that convinced me it is the original Church founded by Christ was when Christ gave the Apostles the Power to forgive sins. For years in Protestantism I was misguided to believe the only God can forgive sins. Which is true although he can also forgive through man and Apostles he gives the power to do so. That's was a huge turning point for me where I had to ultimately humble myself and see a priest and confess. 🙏
How can a priest forgive your sins when he is a sinful man just like the rest of us ?I'm not asking this to be nasty or to have a argument by the way.Roman Catholic, protestant, orthodox, pastor, priest, minister. How can any man have power and authority to do this?
@@pfc4156 I wish someone answered your question. In a strict sense, yes, only God forgives sins. All people are sinners.. even our leaders, even Catholic priests. Catholics simply believe a priest stands in Jesus’s place on earth and communicates that forgiveness (with his words of absolution). The priest is in the “persona Christi” or standing in the place of Christ. Now .. where does the Bible teach that God’s forgiveness can literally be sent through a church leader? A couple places actually. In John 20:23, Jesus gives the apostles the authority to forgive sins (this does not fit Protestant belief at all). In James, the believers are told to bring a sick person to the elders to be anointed with oil and if he has committed any sins, they will be forgiven (James 5:14-15). So, yes, only God has the authority to forgive sins but the priests of his church share in that because Jesus made it so by his own authority.
1:01:26 - Yeah mr.Fradd, that was the look on my face for the most of this... Honestly, as someone who truly enjoys conversing I find these interviews encouraging in a sense that we as people got to the stage where we are civil enough to talk about topics we have some major differences in without ad hominems, harsh strawmans and such things. No yelling, no threats. This way we are able to understand each thought process and every point of view - at least as good as the presenter presents it. That being said, it makes it even more sad to hear how deep and dark the divides truly are. From pride of man to the relativism "in the name of God"... a lot of it is present here in this interview. As a Catholic I will pray for the man and do one of my fasts for him. As for mr.Fradd - I raise my glass to you good sir! Cheers from a long,long time listener.
Hi Matt Fradd! The image of the child Jesus (Santo Niño) is what brought Christianity to the Philippines. It was gifted by Ferdinand Magellan to the Rajahs (rulers) as a part of their allegiance (hence the Rajahs becoming the first Christians) in the 1500s. That's the primary reason why the image of Santo Niño is big - resulting to various festivals althroughout the country every 3rd Sunday of January. It is also the oldest surviving Catholic relic in the country. Stings a bit when you said it's weird, so I felt the need to shed light about it haha. Much love from 🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭
This was fab. I think it likely isn’t the purpose of your channel at his time and maybe never will be, but I would love to see some dialogue between you and those within the Catholic Church where division exists. You were able to present the Catholic position here with respect and firmness, I believe you could do the same with intra Catholic dialogue ( ie being clear about the catechism and orthodoxy)
I was raised Lutheran and my childhood best friend was Catholic. One time when we were at a Mall she decided to get up from the bench we were sitting on and move to another bench without telling me why. So I went to move to the other bench. She moved again and then again. I was hurt. She then explained to me that a couple of hundred of years ago she and I could not be friends. She was showing me how ridiculous religious differences can divide ppl. I’m still a Protestant and she is still Catholic and we are still friends. We both believe in Jesus as the Son of God
I love this conversation. Yes, it's o.k. to take time and think things through. It took me six years to work through my journey from non-denominational Christianity via Methodism (a Methodist reversion), influences from the Inklings, Chesterton, the Tractarians and Newman, and ultimately to the Catholic Church. And, I don't regret one step of that journey. Thanks so much for having this conversation. I love and watch both of your channels.
Matt Whitman's videos inadvertently helped me in my conversion from Evangelicalism to Catholicism. Praise God for him, and I pray that one day God will allow him to come to the same conclusions I have.
If different denominations will have the tolerance and understanding of each other’s faith (as Matt was saying) with love and humility and do not put each other down, then I can ASSURE you that the Holy Spirit will work through the church with fire and will work wonders...🔥🔥🔥 I love you Matt and Matt. Keep up the good work. You’re in my prayers. May God bless you! P. S. I belong to the Armenian Apostolic Church and I’ve attended a Protestant school for eight years when I was growing up ( bc my mother got her education in a Protestant school), but I love Catholic devotions, specially the Rosary and the Chaplet of the Divine Mercy and devotions to the Two Hearts, and all the rest of it, and I also attend Catholic mass.
This was a good exchange, nice to see a protestant discuss instead of defiantly holding the company line. Unity is something we have no choice about, the fractured situation is not good for anyone, and weakens the Churches witness and authority. To me it seems quite clear that it is only in Catholicism do you find the room to maneuver, outside of a small number of doctrines and dogmas the Church is quite flexible, this is something you just don't find in present day Protestantism or Orthodoxy. Pray brothers and sisters that we all may be ONE!
The Catholic church is far less flexible than most protestant churches. There is a long list of doctrines and dogmas you must believe and profess in order to be Catholic. It is not the same for mainline Christianity. You accept Jesus, pick up your cross and learn of him.
@saintejeannedarc9460 @saintejeannedarc9460 Actually we have just a few dogmas and doctrines that must be adhered to, Actually we have a great amount of freedom, especially in our understanding of scripture. On the other hand, because of the belief in scripture only, protestants have locked in on verses and their meaning, which is at the root of their divisions.
@@Motomack1042 Biblical Christianity is simple. Catholicism is very complex. I've spent the last few years learning it, and while it's still Christianity and the foundations of how we are saved are largely the same, the method is very different. I don't have to believe in the intercession of the saints, have allegiance to Mary, have a patron saint. I don't have to worry about purgatory, even though I've confessed my sins, then I still have to do penance. Then that's not enough either, because I'm still storing up wrath for my temporal sins, that even though they are confessed and kind of forgiven, there's all this residue that must be burned off in purgatory. Not just my time in purgatory, I need to be concerned w/ all the people I know and don't know that are in purgatory and seek indulgences for them too. It just goes on and on and on and on. I could not have peace as a Catholic, there's just too much to worry about, that as a Christian, I know Christ has already taken care of, in terms of forgivenss and wiping the slate clean when he does forgive. My main concern is in having the grace for others that Christ has for me, and getting my hard heart out of the way and forgiving others. Also forgiving myself.
@saintejeannedarc9460 I find your reasoning surprising. The Christian life, if pursued, is arduous, we are called to be Saints, to be perfect, while we can never achieve perfection, we must pursue it by living a life of Holyness and obedience. The Church, in her wisdom, offers us all the means available to her as revealed to her by Christ Himself and the apostles. While the saints are not dead, all are alive in Christ, we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses and they do pray for us for our benefit. No Catholic is forced to ask the Saints to pray for them if they don't want to, why you wouldn't would be more troubling. What use is confession of wrong without penance, seem rather useless. If we truly have real remorse for our actions penance is a natural desired action. Again, confession without penance is incomplete. While Jesus took on all the sins upon Himself, we still are responsible for our personal sins, and as with anything we do wrong some type of punishment results. What I hear from you is "I just believe in Jesus and that's all I need" for me and good practicing Catholics, Orthodox and Copic Churches that is just the beginning, now that I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior it becomes my responsibility to continually seek a deeper and deeper relationship and understanding which allows my wife to be open to the Holy Spirit, sonI can go forth in love doing the works of the spirit through me. All the things you find cumbersome are the things that foster a deeper desire and love for God. Why is purgatory a problem, we all know nothing unclean shall enter the kingdom of heaven. Purgation is that process, we don't know how long it takes, we don't know exactly what the soul goes through, Paul gives us imagery of a cleansing fire. Even while our Orthodox brothers and sisters do not acknowledge "purgatory ", they to believe something happens to the soul to make it possible for us to enter into heaven. To pray for the souls going through purgatory is an act of love, so what's the big deal.
I'm a protestant, but I LOVE the Catholic Church in many ways- the richness of its History, its cohesiveness, the majesty and Reverence of the Latin mass, the liturgy, and the vast importance of Communion. The things I struggle with- and maybe because I'm more ignorant of The Church teachings but I dont know (unless they're just for remembrance of great people) that Icons are necessary or that we need intercession through the Pope, the Mother Mary, a Saint, or even a Priest in order to directly Commune with, worship, receive direction from God, study the Bible or have a personal relationship with Him. I TOTALLY and FUNDAMENTALLY believe in the tenets of the Apostle's Creed and that Jesus Christ is the only Son of God, our Savior and Redeemer and He is The Way, The Truth, and The life, and no one comes to the Father except through Him. If someone would like to explain to me my misconceptions, I would welcome a conversation😊. God Bless you all ❤
Don’t Drink The Kool Aid. Stay with the correct Authority which is GOD and His Word. Christ did NOT have a Throne on earth: He did NOT instruct any apostle to Make or Take a Throne. There shouldn’t be a pope.
Love this discussion! I was born Catholic, moved to Seventh-Day Adventist at aged 13, and saved as a Southern Baptist at aged 17. I turned 48 a week ago and I’m still in the Southern Baptist church (I’m a licensed minister as well.). My overall problem with Catholicity is the priority of tradition over Scripture. The Bible is God’s supernatural revelation to mankind. Humans are just clay in the potter’s hands.
isnt the Scripture also a tradition, assembled into 400 years of uses of codices (before there was a bibel) to a final work, done so by churches and discussions?
I hope there is another conversation between you two!!! I enjoy both of you and your work so much. It was great to get two people that I enjoy listening to to talk together. I am a faithful follower of Pints with Aquinas and No Dumb Questions so this was the best of both worlds for me. Could you guys do a podcast, like No Dumb Questions, but solely about religion and Christianity!?!?!?! A Catholic perspective and a Protestant perspective teaching each other about complicated religious topics with open minds and unique takes on life. That may be the best thing ever! Thank you for both of your ministries and all that you do for the church and to spread the message of Jesus Christ!
I love the honesty, openness, and vulnerability. I love both your shows. I learned a lot. Thank you. I feel a little less crazy as I continue in my journey in finding church where I can find community and find a place where I can grow in my love of Jesus Christ.
As a protestants but also a non denominational Christans I watch both of y'alls channels and love both of them. Great conversation about God and is glory along with charity to brothers and sisters who have differing opinions and cultural backgrounds. God bless both of you and y'all ministries.
I love this conversation. There was so much fraternal love and respect. Just wanted to hug and high five both of these gentlemen for being honest, Christian gentlemen.
How am I just now seeing this?? I've watched Matt's channel (Whitman) for several years now. Just recently came across Pints and was pretty stoked to see this video!! My two favorite Matts in the same place!? Heck yeah!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:14 😕 Matt Whitman's interview is anticipated despite previous big theologians; anticipation is based on his humility and openness. 01:50 😅 Humorous reference to eating fries in an interview; comments focus on eating sounds rather than theological content. 03:00 📚 Matt Whitman transitioned from being a pastor to creating theological videos on the internet, exploring Christianity's evolution and diversity. 06:03 💔 Matt Whitman shares his experience of deconversion, the pain of losing faith, and the challenging process of reevaluation and rediscovery. 09:43 🤝 Both Protestantism and Catholicism face pressures to conform to rigid beliefs, preventing open exploration and growth; there's a need for nuance and patience. 14:03 🙌 Catholicism benefits from embracing diversity within its tradition while maintaining core beliefs, allowing for various devotions and expressions. 18:43 🌊 Having flexibility within faith to explore uncertainties is crucial for the continued thriving of religious traditions in a changing world. 22:05 🤔 Convictional unity with people who hold different beliefs is valued. 22:47 🤝 Submission to certain teachings based on conviction or faith. 23:26 🔍 Different authority structures in Catholicism and Protestantism. 24:22 🏰 Distinction between centralized authority in Catholicism and varied authority in Protestantism. 26:14 📜 Development of non-Catholic expressions of Christianity based on personal revelation. 27:48 🤝 Protestantism is not monolithic; diverse beliefs within the tradition. 29:13 🙏 Divine revelation complements philosophical understanding. 33:03 🕊️ Recognizing the value of the papacy's historical role and practical solutions. 37:57 🌍 Wrestling with differing worldviews in a multi-cultural, multi-faith society. 40:01 🌐 Transition from shock and awe of diverse perspectives to reconciliation and coexistence. 42:09 ✝️ Embracing reconciliation and finding common ground on shared beliefs. 43:19 👥 Hope for friendships to foster understanding and positive change. 44:32 📜 The challenge of determining which texts are inspired in Christianity's early centuries due to multiple texts and absence of a definitive authority. 46:07 📚 Development of the canonical list through the centuries, from Pope Damascus and the Council of Rome to the Council of Trent in response to the Protestant Reformation. 50:24 📖 The church's inability to suppress certain texts in its early stages and gradual emergence of clarity about canonical gospels. 52:30 🕊️ Desire for unity within Christianity despite differing beliefs; aspiration for convictional unity rather than a monolithic agreement or rejection. 57:54 🌍 Recognition of divisions in Christianity and prayer for unity; importance of a new ethic to foster peace and cooperation among diverse Christian beliefs. 01:06:18 🤔 Protestant-Catholic division: The question of historical connection is a significant point. If convinced of the uniqueness of certain historical claims, one might lean towards Catholicism; otherwise, skepticism might arise. 01:06:45 🕊️ Unique authority: Catholic vs. Reformed perspective. Theological precision in Reformed Christianity challenges the notion of "making up" doctrines. Both sides cite authority, and the authority of a Reformed Christian often overlaps with that of a Catholic theologian. 01:07:55 🏛️ Ecclesial distinction: The authority vested in the Church by Christ and its manifestation. Key distinction between Protestantism and Catholicism is where the authority lies and how it's manifested, particularly regarding the five patriarchies. 01:08:22 🙏 Catholic identity: The complexity of being Catholic and the diverse senses in which the term is used. Accepting the term "Catholic" varies based on context and personal conviction. 01:10:01 🛡️ Sola Scriptura perspective: Evaluating new doctrines based on congruence with Scripture. The Protestant view relies on Scripture alignment, but some issues arise due to diverse interpretations and historical context. 01:11:14 🕯️ Devotion to Mary: Catholic perspective on Mary's role. Catholics distinguish between prayer and worship, viewing Mary's intercession as similar to asking earthly Christians to pray for them. 01:16:00 😄 Humor and patience: Dealing with repetitive questions and comments from UA-cam subscribers. Recognizing the intention behind the question and responding with patience and understanding. 01:18:08 🙌 Orthodoxy vs. Catholicism: Hypothetical choice. The speaker's preference shifts between the two based on his own inclinations and how his thought process might evolve over time. 01:20:44 🤝 Respectful engagement: Approaching questions with goodwill and avoiding aggressive tactics. Encouraging genuine conversations and seeking to understand rather than trying to stump the other person. 01:23:58 🤝 Finding allies: Recognizing valuable connections in the realm of discussing faith. Appreciating individuals who care about the same matters, express their beliefs beautifully, and contribute positively to the conversation. Made with HARPA AI
I am from Cebu, Philippines, where the devotion to Santo Niño( Infant Jesus) is intense. This Devotion is one of the cultural treasures of my Catholic Faith.
You guys are both awesome! I am so glad to see you were able to get together! And that you got along with one another! This is what make the internet cool.
I am a Christian who fell away from the faith for a long time for many of the reasons you guys have discussed. Infighting, division, judgmental attitudes etc.. I am also a History and Religious studies major and it is consoling to hear two people with such intellectual acuity and opposing viewpoints reach out to each other and have this dialogue. Whether you know it or not you are the future and you are following what the Holy Spirit is intending for this last of ages. To coin that ridiculous but apt phrase: Unity in Diversity. Unity yes, but unity in one purpose, and that is the love of Christ. Forget the naysayers my friends and keep up the good work. God Bless you both
Loved this conversation, I’ve been following both Matt’s for years. The big moment for me in this is when Matt W said he thought the Protestant divisions were a strength for Christianity, and Matt F took the opposite position, that all should be Catholic and Christ wants us united. As a former Protestant, I don’t think most Protestants realize how much their divisions (tons of them over every little bit of theology) weaken Christianity and strengthen the secular and atheist positions. The Protestant movement has had terrible unintended consequences for the Body of Christ. We all need to have more tolerance and dialog with fellow Christians, working together on our common ground, and recognize there is a very real evil at the door that must be defeated - a relativist and atheist secular society.
The Protestant Revolt, opened the door to self-deification, after which the cohorts of Satan continue to our day to plot the destruction of the Catholic Church and Christian civilization. Anyone outside looking into Christianity would be so confuse of the so many different takes on it. Many Christians today do not even know how to make the sign of the cross....this is how diluted Christianity is today.
Wow when he was talking about things he wanted: “peace…I’m just tired man” I felt that. Wanting to just lay your head down at night feeling at peace with your neighbors. That would be great if that was something we would all strive towards.
What Matt described towards the end (1:15:00) as prayer is exactly what the Mass is, which to any Catholiv is the greatest form of prayer. It starts with a hymn of praise (worship), then confession, listening to scripture being proclaimed, the homily & pondering God's words in pur hearts, lifting of petitions to God, offering, then full worship of Christ during consecration in the presence of the Holy Spirit before receiving him in Communion. Finally we are commissioned to go & announce the gospel of Christ. May God bless all Christians regardless of the domination. Christ loves us all and we must continue to believe, pray for increase in faith & decrease in doubt, and act in accordance with His Word.
Concerning Mary, i strongly recommend "Jesus and the jewish roots of Mary" by B Pitre and "The definitive guide for solving biblical questions about Mary: Mary among the evangelists" by Kappes and Christiaan. To be honest, hearing so typically protestant answers about Mary that obviously ignore the real catholic position and strawmans then by someone who pretends to be well versed is frustrating... No, Mary is saved by Christ, as all human race, she is no exception. There are just two ways to save someone : before or after the accident, whether you prevent it or cure the person afterwards. It's not so hard, is it ? Very interesting otherwise.
1 Corinthians 12:12-31. I think we should be proud as a country that we can love one another. I personally am from a family that has dual faiths. In the past 3 generations we have had Catholics and Protestants on both sides. Not to mention I see Catholics converting to Protestant and vice versa. Spent many years in a Bible study with a Catholic, who often brought the beauty of Christ with her. PTL!
Great talk! I am a former Catholic and there are exactly three things that hinder me to go back to Rome: 1. The Papacy 2. Marian dogmas and "adoration" 3. The current civil war between CathTrads and more "modern" Catholics. Especially the last point would somehow force me to chose one position over the other which I can and will not. And there are more than these three points that are difficult but they are the main obstacles I can not overcome. Even if I wanted. The others I suppose I could overcome.
I’d say come back to the Eucharist! And Confession!! But maybe that’s just me. I have to have Mass & Holy Communion almost daily or life would be unbearable. God bless, you’ve been missed.
@@marybeth1747 as a former Catholic I would never come back now that I see it totally contradicts God’s word. Confession is to be only to God not to a man (priest) who is just as sinful as we are. So much of a Catholicism contradicts God’s word.
@@dawn2508 When you confess to a priest during the sacrament of reconciliation, the priest is acting in place of God not as a man, it's the doctrine of 'Alter Christus' or 'In Persona Christi', he is acting as God's representative on Earth for you. This allows for the fulfillment of the instruction to 'Confess your sins to one another' in scripture in such a way that the repentant can also have definite knowledge of forgiveness. This is so because Christ gave the authority to forgive or not forgive sins to the apostles, and all ordained men can trace their lineage of ordination directly back to the apostles, so that authority resides with them on Earth today. If it doesnt reside with them then either the apostles were not given this authority to forgive sins, which contradicts what Our Lord said directly, or that authority could not be passed on, which would contradict the ability of the apostles to bind things on Earth, or it would mean that the line of succession was somehow permanently broken which would go against all historical records.
Pumped to see these kinds of videos! Love the conversation and brotherly love. I'm a convert who has mainly been in protestant circles, now looking to explore catholicism. God bless you both!
@@dawn2508 I have read the Bible in it's entirety. But about a Bible believing church, which would you suggest? Catholic, reformed, evangelical? Right now I don't know which one to go to. My sympathy grows towards the churches that respect the whole history of the church, not just the last 500 yrs
@@dylansaus Yes, and why I don’t consider myself mainstream “Protestant “ but a born again Bible believing Christian. And Christianity started in the book of Acts not with the Roman Catholic Church which doesn’t resemble biblical Christianity at all. You have any Calvary Chapel denominations around you? Or a non denominational Christian church? Visit one of them. Get fed on the word verse by verse. Drives me crazy how Catholic Churches say the same thing every mass and they say “a reading from the gospel of Matthew “ or whatever gospel that day and read a paragraph or two , give a vague sermon on it then it’s over. Growing up Catholic we never read the Bible and I had no idea really the context ot the people the priest was talking about. Visit both and compare. Mainstream Protestant churches are getting away from the Bible too
@@dawn2508 It's quite interesting how Protestants can't agree with each other and split and split and split into thousands of different denominations like broken glass that can never be put back together yet they are all united against Christ's One Catholic Church. Points in one direction as the Truth.
Great conversation I listened twice to it. I was interested in the Mary being perfect dialog. I have a awesome Mom and I would say she is perfect. I wonder if Jesus would say his Mom is perfect too.
St Therese of Lisieux Quote " The Joy of the Lord is not found in the worldly things which surround us but in the inner recesses of the Soul" God is found in that inner room (the soul) were God and I dwell. The great prophet Isiah found God in the simple breeze. Sometimes I spend too much time trying to figure out God instead of being present with God in silence. 🙏
I'd actually disagree with Matt when it comes to his points at around 18:30 when he talks about Christian communities having staying power or succeeding which allow for diversity of belief and practice. Quakers are a great example of this. The Quaker denomination is flat lining despite having some of the most diverse forms of worship and theology that exist in Protestantism as a whole. It would seem at least on the surface level that since Quakers allow for a diversity of worship and theology among themselves, they would be the most successful if what Matt proposed was true, yet the denomination is crumbling due to disagreements on hot-button issues today. (I live close to the defacto home base of Quakerism in the US today so I'm fairly familiar with the situation on the ground in that denomination, although I personally am Catholic).
@@Anyone690 Exactly, secular liberalism is the antithesis of a Christian Society. I appreciate much of what the Founding Fathers tried with the constitution but ultimately I think time has shown secularism to be a grand mistake.
Mary can both be sinless and still needed Jesus to save her. One analogy comes to mind… others have fallen in the mud and have needed Jesus to help them out. However, there is still the stain of sin (mud) on them. In Mary’s case, she was going to fall in the mud but Jesus grabbed her and prevented her from falling, therefore she is free from the stain of sin (mud).
Catholic here and haven’t the foggiest idea about some of the details discussed during their conversation but it is wonderful/amazing/enlightening/encouraging to see such kind dialogue between the two. God bless and thank you! Great role models.
What I am hearing from 10-minute bible hour, in part is the importance of orthopraxis over orthodoxy. In other words, let us all do rightly according to the Credal Christian faith even if we disagree about the beliefs that lead us all to those same practices. Huh. Interesting. I say all this, while agreeing with Fradd that I want him to be Catholic.
Well I haven’t watched this yet but I have been hoping for Matt’s conversion to Catholicism for awhile now so hoping this interview is another step in the right direction 🙏🏻
This interview makes me so full of joy. Last I saw Matt was an atheist. Hadn’t seen this interview since having seen that. Glad to see he has come full circle and it seems he has stepped away from calvanism.
Just something I noticed in Matt (W's) response to the Mary question: it really sounds like his expectation of Mary being immaculately conceived is closer to her being omnipotent. I would really suggest he consider the analogy of Mary as the new Eve. Then, as an exercise, apply those considerations he had towards Mary's perceived flaws toward Eve.
It's been awhile since I watched this, but when MW addressed this, it was apparent misunderstands what being sinless means. IIRC, he was implying something along the lines that to be sinless is to be perfect. I also didn't understand why it would be wrong for Mary not to attend Jesus' preaching. I can't recall anything else right now, but I remember thinking he got Marian theology completely wrong, and I wish he would have been made aware of where he was misunderstanding it.
@@cameronoleary3916 in Matthew in “Mary’s Song” she sang of her “Savior “ . Sinless people do not need a Savior. She understood who she was. I am not insulting her. God chose her because He knew she had a servants heart. She was humble and obedient, didn’t question God judgement even though this was gonna be a very hard thing in their culture. She was blessed. She was chosen to carry the Son of God, beyond an honor. But she was still a human, which means to have a fallen nature, which means to be a sinner. Jesus was the only perfect, sinless human who ever lived, because He was also God in the flesh. Jesus was sinless therefore the only acceptable sacrifice (unspotted , perfect lamb) to elevate any flawed human to the status of God is blasphemy. Also, the Bible says there is only one mediator between God and man: the man Christ Jesus. Mary doesn’t even mediate for us, the Bible says Jesus is our advocate
I want to say thanks about the comment on Mary in reference to idolatry. It’s something I feel Protestants think a bit. To hear a Catholics perspective is refreshing. Thanks for the convo guys
I watched up until an hour in, where the arguments seemed to me to start getting a bit repetitive or futile. I think at the very bottom of the issue on the differences between Catholics and Protestants is not a difference of opinion over what the facts of history are, but rather a difference of opinion based on preference. Catholics prefer to know the truth authoritatively, while Protestants prefer a liberal free-for-all approach. You might as well be arguing over whether strawberry ice cream or chocolate ice cream is better, since no amount of facts will change the other party's preference.
Well yes, the free market of ideas has dictated where Christianity has gone up until this point. A monolithic approach is great, but it simply does not communicate truth. You either know truth through objective means: reason, scripture, and tradition. Or you know truth through the authority. And if the authority is self referential, it either falls into arbitrary claims, or it is useless, since it does not have a monopoly on those objective methods of coming to truth.
You're right! I am a Catholic apologist who loves vanilla ice cream with strawberry topping and I want everyone to experience the same joy that such flavor brings to my senses... God bless.
But she's our mom she's there for me trust me every single moment she is there and that's why I love praying rosaries because she's listening and just keeps on proving it it's straight up the best form of meditation the best magical mystery tour you could ever take
@@grandmasterlucien "Behold thy mother. Woman, behold thy son." "They have no wine." "Woman, it is not yet my time." "Do whatever he tells you." And that miracle performed Jesus in Cana of Galilee.
This was good, I always wondered how he could not be Catholic after studying and visiting cathedrals and churches that are Catholic, this makes more sense now. I like how you guys touched on woke too, his answer about the internet was perfect.
While it does seem that way to an extent in this video, I would say it isn't the case in reality. Over on his own channel, he's made it pretty clear that the Apostles & Nicene Creeds are non-negotiable. They, as you probably know, lay out certain hard stopping points that rule out things like Unitarian Universalism, Mormonism, and the JW's. So if I could offer a charitable correction, I think Pluralism might be more accurate.
@@ljones436 I guess I would be curious when he would say someone is no long Christian and when someone should worry about their salvation. I got the impression he's not worried about his salvation. With most protestant friends of mine they arn't worried about their salvation as long as they 'trust in' Jesus. I have more thoughts, but that gets at what I'm thinking. I have a baby diaper to change. 😄
@@thefreshman07 I see. Thank you. I think that gets at what someone has to believe but not how they are to behave. I think the Nicene and Apostles creed would probably still lead to ambiguity.
This was very interesting overall, thanks for organizing this. Matt Whitman’s response to the question about who decided the list of books in the Bible was somewhat confusing. He cites the Holy Spirit, Jesus, and apostolic authority. He also says the list was self-confirming. Yet he doesn’t seem to want to say that they were Catholics !! I think Matt handled it very charitably and overall the discussion is a model for civil, informative discussion. Thank you.
I am a Protestant who has a great love for my Catholic brothers and sisters. My maternal grandparents were Polish and Czech Catholics and I grew up attending mass with them. Even on leave from the Marine Corps, I enjoyed attending services at St. Michaels in Bedford, Texas with them. I have become less sectarian in my walk with Christ.
I'm just old and crabby and getting sued by my old family so I know it's a Catholic I'm an equal opportunity offender yet a staunch defender of my faith plus I'm from New Jersey so I'm a bit much for most people I tend to insult the weak, from a place of love but you know I'm not Protestant I can't be ripping out scripture quotes we have way too many other things to focus on 😂
The big problem is most Protestants never meet or spend time with a Catholic so committed to their Faith, like a nun, a brother, a priest! They have consecrated their whole being to Jesus and his Church!!!! It’s very impressive in real life! Spending a weekend at a Monastery on retreat! Or help Mother Theresa’s Missionaries Of Charity!!! It will change your life!
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Well done Matt
Well done both Matts!
@Pints With Aquinas
Matt Fraad,
Have you considered inviting Roy Schoeman to a dialogue of his experience with Jesus and Mary who inspired his conversion to Catholicism?
I hope it comes about. He has a compelling journey.
God bless you brother.
Ooooo.... that, was, fun!!!! Having spent so many years in protestant church and finally coming back to find out how much richness I was ignorant of, this civil, fun, and amicable conversation just warms my heart with thanksgiving of charity for our fellow brothers and sisters in God.
@@bulldozer8997 I'm glad that as Matt W is a pastor he would have thick enough skin to be able to brush off such a triumphalist and stupid comment.
NEWSFLASH!! Matt Whitman is a Protestant and he believes Protestant things.
Short of Anglo Catholics, Matt W is actually closer to the Catholic position than almost all other Protestants.
I am Catholic now. Matt Whitman brought me back into active involvement with any type of Christianity. He is a tireless worker for souls. Matt, may God bless you.
God bless you brother
Welcome home!
So someone who would ideally want people to reject the Catholic faith is a "tireless worker for souls"? That's heresy.
@@tettertostironi7529 In my own personal experience TMBH helped me go from "not interested in organized religion at all" to "I need to take my relationship with Jesus and His church more seriously." After I got to that point the Holy Spirit moved me to the true Catholic faith. I would imagine that he has helped others into the Catholic Church in a similar way.
All that said, it would of course be better for him and all of us to more directly point outsiders towards the true faith.
Please, pray for me and for both Matt and Matt - and all those who find their videos; That our Lord may lead us to know, love, and serve Him more perfectly every day.
I will do the same. May God bless you.
Congratulations! Praise God.
To Matt Whitman, I’m a Catholic convert from a Protestant background. The only Catholic in my family. I love you man. I love your videos and the work you’re doing. Your work is much needed. Prayers of blessings for you and your family. Stay true to your convictions. I respect that.
Me, too! I couldn’t think how to phrase it but those are my sentiments as well.
Bless you for being the only. I married one but am on track to be the only one too. I can tell it’s gonna be tough. Respect to you
Beautifully worded
🎉❤glad you’re home
Protestant converts are such a gift to us cradle Catholics. Praise God for your journey!
Matt Whitman doesn't want to be Catholic (sad face), but his videos helped me convert to the Catholic faith so praise God for that. When he is brought before the Lord after his death he will account for all the people like me who he helped convert to the true faith
Have faith God's timing isn't our timing. God has a plan for Matt we just have to trust the process. In the meantime Welcome Home!!
@@MrPeach1 Amen brother and thank you! Deo Gratias!
Thanks for your post, I was wondering about the question whether his videos that exposes protestants to a more honest representation of Catholicism would lead to conversions or whether he would be looked upon as a guy who is definitely not anti-catholic and definitely is willing to understand the faith but yet is still confortable with remaining protestant and thus made protestants to think "we'll this guy checked it out and is happy to still be protestant so I will stay where I am".
@@andrefouche9682 yeah his openness was something that inspired me to be comfortable to continue to explore Catholicism :))
The Holy Spirit works in many wondrous ways to lead those Home toward Catholicism. Exploration can often take years of research and discernment along with prayer. Becoming Catholic is a life changing journey but the real joy occurs when one sits in silence and prayer in Adoration of Christ, actually physically receives God’s demonstration of love during the First time Sacrament of Reconciliation & Penance and feels liberated and reborn once again, finally understands the Sacraments, and realizes the power of reciting prayers on the Rosary and discovering someone receives a miracle who was offered to God and the Blessed Mother during humble intercession!! Welcome Home indeed!!! Thank you, Jesus Christ! ✝️🙏❣️
It gives me an immense amount of hope to see conversations like this... partially because not that long ago a good-faith public conversation between a Protestant and Catholic like this would have been impossible.
totally. when i was growing up my mothers side was protestant and my fathers side was catholic. ridiculous arguments “behind” each other’s backs… i was like “what’s wrong with these people?”
@@DelaneyAugustineWalk Wow that would be a terrible thing to go through growing up :(.
@@HabibJackson well there was no direct confrontation so it mostly just led me to explore other religions, which eventually led me back to Christianity as a whole. God really hit the nail with that one (pardon my humor) for those that truly explore it :)
shout out to Buddhism though for awakening my spirit again though, but i digress
My Catholic grandmother married my Evangelical Lutheran grandfather in the mid-1920s. They were married in the vestibule of the Catholic Church and it was rather scandalous. He drove her to Mass and waited in the car to drive her home for over 55 years. As their Catholic grandchildren, we were taught that everyone who wasn't a Catholic was a heathen, so I worried about him as a child. I also struggled with why such a good man wouldn't go to Heaven. I'm glad this is no longer taught. By the way, when I went to see him in the hospital as he was dying, he told me, in case he died before Grandma arrived that morning, that he had just been baptized a Catholic. He told me to be sure to tell Grandma. Personally, I think that Jesus would have welcomed him either way.
My sister tells me that as a little girl , when our Baptist grandfather visited from back East , my parents would drop him off at the Southern Baptist church and then they would go on to Mass with the kids and my sister remembers being so concerned for his soul !! :)
All Catholic teaching is that Protestants are saved!
Did your grandmother get to say goodbye?
Um no. That's heresy. "There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church" is dogma. Praise God that his grandfather entered the Church before he died.@@fighterofthenightman1057
@@fighterofthenightman1057 HUUUUH ????
As a born and raised Catholic who became a Protestant, I really appreciate this conversation. Can we have more of this please...fries/beer optional 🍟 🍻
I grew up as Protestant. And I'm still one! These conversations are such fun though, and needed in my opinion. You two are paragons of what it means to be respectful, good-faith, human Christians.
My question is why Matt would trust the early Church Fathers' opinions of what books constitute the Canon, but sort of shrug off their opinion on baptismal regeneration, the role of bishops and priests, the Eucharist as the body and blood of Christ, etc.? This was the deciding factor that got me to convert from Protestantism to Catholicism.
Church fathers or pope? Id say that is a deciding factor to go eastern orthodox.
Same for my conversion as well -- prayer for the dead, intercessory role of the saints, sacramental confession, the authority of the Councils, reverence of Mary, reverence for relics of martyrs, etc.......
@@Anyone690 I don't know that he's intellectually dishonest - it's just hard to make such a big change, and easy to put up barriers. I did the same thing in different ways. It's easy when we've told ourselves the same things 300 times to make it 301, ya know? But like Chesterton said, "It is impossible to be just to the Catholic Church. The moment a man ceases to pull against it he feels a tug towards it. The moment he ceases to shout it down he begins to listen to it with pleasure. ... “It's one thing,” says Chesterton, “to conclude that Catholicism is good and another to conclude that it is right."
@The Catholic Integralist
No it's not, if church creeds, canons and doctrines were done through the church fathers and not by need of a pope then Catholicism is false.
@@ThruTheUnknown hmmm consider it as a parliament. The pope as a prime minister/the biblical royal steward. The bishops as the ministers.
Why would Mary not being all-knowing be considered a flaw? A flaw is a defect, but creatures aren't meant to be all-knowing. That's only a quality of God. So "perfect" in regards to a creature would include not knowing everything. Catholics believe she didn't sin, not that she was omniscient.
Exactly, and the fact that even she was at times anxious and didn't understand is reassuring for her spiritual children.
@@Vulcansrule6969lol yes
That's blasphemous how dare you say that the Holy Virgin Mary mother of God was a sinner
Imagine you saying those words to God himself... (God your Holy Mother sinned)....What do you think he would say to you an insignificant creature blaspheming against his most precious creation his Holy Mother
@@Vulcansrule6969lol that's a verse that refers to the nations, not to individuals.
@@Vulcansrule6969lol that statement would have to include the incarnate Christ as well without inserting an exception. While man device exceptions, the Church appeals to God's plan. The Blessed Virgin was not exactly an exception. By the merit of Our Lord, she was created exceptional. If you believe in the virgin birth, you have submitted to half the answer. Remember the Church Fathers struggled with the same misgivings.
"O Lord, how different are your paths from our clumsy imaginings."
(Foundations 5.6)
Enjoying the discussion so far, gentlemen. As a Catholic, I agree with Pints: in essentials, unity; in non-essentials, diversity; in all things, charity.
St Augustine
That's a protestant calling card! Part of the Restoration Movement/Stone-Campbell Movement!
Literally took a class on that movement haha
This is pretty much what I feel like Matt was trying to say. They just disagreed on the essentials.
I hear the same phrase in a Presbyterian church I go to (PCA).
I converted to Catholicism 8/23 it’s the most precious part of my life and I adore and honor and love my faith! There is more about it than I’ll prolly ever learn but I’m motivated to learn all I can. May the blessed Virgin Mary place you all under her mantle of protection
What a great CIVIL conversation. I was born in 1955. I'm so sick of folks who disagree calling out hate for each other. I believe in Jesus Christ who asked us to Love one another and not to hate. Praise God for both of you. God bless you both and your families. He has already blessed your families in that y'all love them very much.
When I first started taking my faith seriously, TMBH helped me get back into it and start learning about the faith, and later on I came across PWA and I'm currently attempting to get into an RCIA class. Bless both of you for having such a big impact on my life!
I wouldn't discount Orthodoxy either. Not saying that to discourage your move to Catholicism! Just don't want people to miss the other big tradition of the church and know it's easy to do so in the west.
Praise God! I hope you made it into an RCIA class.
When I became Christian I used to watched his channel after I became Catholic, it's amazing that you two did this video together🔝
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A lot of it boils down to this; God is much more patient with us than we are with each other when it comes to what we believe and what we should believe.
I have very recently started attending a Catholic Church, I have spent the last 10 years of my life wrestling with God and resisting what I knew to be true. I was raised Baptist ( my father and grandfather were both pastors). I so deeply feel the same feelings that both of you express in this video. Thank you for taking the tine to formulate your thoughts so eloquently, and thank you for being willing to be honest and vulnerable. God's peace be with you both.
We have our crosses, but believe man, it only gets better from here!
The best sermon I ever heard was on the lack of faith being normal. The (Lutheran) pastor said that sometimes he didn’t believe and that is okay. He put it this way, if science proves God, we are in trouble since by faith alone…. Belief is not meant to be easy. We all need to back the pressure off and support our brothers and sisters.
Been a fan of you both. TMBH has influenced me for a few years and helped me see the key unity points within the many facets of Christianity. Pints with Aquinas has showed me the flexibility that is allowed in the Catholic Church that i never had heard of as a protestant. Now I'm a proud Catholic that's all about ministering to both and promote the understanding of both sides and their differences.
Amazing!! Praise God for your journey. Protestant converts are such a gift to us cradle Catholics.
Thank you! This was such a great show. It’s so refreshing to hear Christians of different backgrounds loving and respecting each other. As a Catholic Christian, I appreciate Matt Whitten for his heart and humility. He is also extremely articulate and likable. At the end, when he said, “You make your expression of Christianity look so beautiful,” it was one of the most beautiful compliments I’ve ever heard. I would love to see you do more shows together - not necessarily to debate beliefs or doctrines (I agree with Matt Whitten in that I don’t think we are ever going to achieve Christian unity by agreeing on stuff, but maybe, just maybe we can find unity by loving each other like you guys just showed). We may have our differences, but we’re all on the same team. Let’s come together and encourage each other.
As a protestant, I agree 100%
How does this comment not how a multitude of likes more than it does? Incredibly well said.
Totally enjoyed this. I thank both of you for taking time to have this conversation. I was a protestant for 60 years and a Catholic for the last three. This conversation helped me to reconcile much in my heart and how to communicate it to others.
Welcome home! We are all in this journey to find what is true, good and beautiful.
“Our hearts are restless, until they can find rest in you.” Augustine of Hippo
Alan, welcome Home!!! Praise the Lord for your conversion!! Blessed be his name!
Welcome home ❤
Praise God!
Good on ya Fradd for your charity during the interview. Ultimately most Protest/Catholic debates appear ancillary to two things: 1) Scripture & Tradition: there was no Bible for first 300 years … what did Christianity look like then? 2) Bread of Life / John 6 … the early church fathers were unanimous about holy Eucharist. How do Protestants reconcile these topics?
They don't, usually.
They can’t.
Yes I need to ask Protestant people this question about the bread of Life because I never came across it in several years what exactly some of them think it means and why. Is it translation or what?
There was no Bible for the first 300 years? Incorrect. There were the Hebrew scriptures in full!! And the earliest church fathers are quoting the apostles CONSTANTLY from their accounts. There was scripture, was it canonized? No, but itt was still there.
@@laraluna9365t's faith in Jesus. It's right there in the full chapter yet is ignored or not quoted consistently. John 6:34-35. "And Jesus said to them "I am the bread of life he who comes to me shall never hunger and he who believes in me shall never thirst." Comes and believes are VERY key words here. Just previous to this Jesus says in John 6:29 Jesus answered And said to him "This is the work of God, that you believe in him who he sent" these are both statements of FAITH. Same thing happened with Nicodemus, the woman at the well, the disciples. They misunderstand spiritual things! Even the Jews do! That's how they missed their Messiah. Same here. Jesus literally points out this very problem to Nicademus that if he can't understand earthly things how in the world can he understand spiritual things. This is consistent with all of the apostles teachings and Paul as well. I do believe there is some kind of presence but transubstantiation is over a 1000 years after the church got started and was not believed.
In my journey to Catholicism where I finally feel at peace and at home in, the main scripture among many that convinced me it is the original Church founded by Christ was when Christ gave the Apostles the Power to forgive sins. For years in Protestantism I was misguided to believe the only God can forgive sins. Which is true although he can also forgive through man and Apostles he gives the power to do so. That's was a huge turning point for me where I had to ultimately humble myself and see a priest and confess. 🙏
Did you do a RCIA?
Welcome home!!
How can a priest forgive your sins when he is a sinful man just like the rest of us ?I'm not asking this to be nasty or to have a argument by the way.Roman Catholic, protestant, orthodox, pastor, priest, minister. How can any man have power and authority to do this?
@@pfc4156 Only God can forgive sins
@@pfc4156 I wish someone answered your question. In a strict sense, yes, only God forgives sins. All people are sinners.. even our leaders, even Catholic priests. Catholics simply believe a priest stands in Jesus’s place on earth and communicates that forgiveness (with his words of absolution). The priest is in the “persona Christi” or standing in the place of Christ. Now .. where does the Bible teach that God’s forgiveness can literally be sent through a church leader? A couple places actually. In John 20:23, Jesus gives the apostles the authority to forgive sins (this does not fit Protestant belief at all). In James, the believers are told to bring a sick person to the elders to be anointed with oil and if he has committed any sins, they will be forgiven (James 5:14-15). So, yes, only God has the authority to forgive sins but the priests of his church share in that because Jesus made it so by his own authority.
Two of my favorite "Matts" and two of my favorite Christians. Thank you for making this video!
I follow both of you guys and have for nearly two years now. This is simply marvelous. May God richly bless you both!
Wow. Admire that openness of mind and heart. ☺️
1:01:26 - Yeah mr.Fradd, that was the look on my face for the most of this...
Honestly, as someone who truly enjoys conversing I find these interviews encouraging in a sense that we as people got to the stage where we are civil enough to talk about topics we have some major differences in without ad hominems, harsh strawmans and such things. No yelling, no threats. This way we are able to understand each thought process and every point of view - at least as good as the presenter presents it. That being said, it makes it even more sad to hear how deep and dark the divides truly are. From pride of man to the relativism "in the name of God"... a lot of it is present here in this interview. As a Catholic I will pray for the man and do one of my fasts for him.
As for mr.Fradd - I raise my glass to you good sir! Cheers from a long,long time listener.
Hi Matt Fradd!
The image of the child Jesus (Santo Niño) is what brought Christianity to the Philippines. It was gifted by Ferdinand Magellan to the Rajahs (rulers) as a part of their allegiance (hence the Rajahs becoming the first Christians) in the 1500s. That's the primary reason why the image of Santo Niño is big - resulting to various festivals althroughout the country every 3rd Sunday of January. It is also the oldest surviving Catholic relic in the country.
Stings a bit when you said it's weird, so I felt the need to shed light about it haha.
Much love from 🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭
God bless the Phillipines! The American s used to send missionaries. Now we beg the Phillipines to send us priest's!!
Great conversation!
i knew you were one of us
This was fab. I think it likely isn’t the purpose of your channel at his time and maybe never will be, but I would love to see some dialogue between you and those within the Catholic Church where division exists. You were able to present the Catholic position here with respect and firmness, I believe you could do the same with intra Catholic dialogue ( ie being clear about the catechism and orthodoxy)
I loved this so much!! Matt Fradd you’re so funny!! As a Catholic, I always enjoy listening to you defend the faith!!
I was raised Lutheran and my childhood best friend was Catholic. One time when we were at a Mall she decided to get up from the bench we were sitting on and move to another bench without telling me why. So I went to move to the other bench. She moved again and then again. I was hurt. She then explained to me that a couple of hundred of years ago she and I could not be friends. She was showing me how ridiculous religious differences can divide ppl.
I’m still a Protestant and she is still Catholic and we are still friends. We both believe in Jesus as the Son of God
I love this conversation. Yes, it's o.k. to take time and think things through. It took me six years to work through my journey from non-denominational Christianity via Methodism (a Methodist reversion), influences from the Inklings, Chesterton, the Tractarians and Newman, and ultimately to the Catholic Church. And, I don't regret one step of that journey. Thanks so much for having this conversation. I love and watch both of your channels.
Matt Whitman's videos inadvertently helped me in my conversion from Evangelicalism to Catholicism. Praise God for him, and I pray that one day God will allow him to come to the same conclusions I have.
If different denominations will have the tolerance and understanding of each other’s faith (as Matt was saying) with love and humility and do not put each other down, then I can ASSURE you that the Holy Spirit will work through the church with fire and will work wonders...🔥🔥🔥
I love you Matt and Matt. Keep up the good work. You’re in my prayers. May God bless you!
P. S. I belong to the Armenian Apostolic Church and I’ve attended a Protestant school for eight years when I was growing up ( bc my mother got her education in a Protestant school), but I love Catholic devotions, specially the Rosary and the Chaplet of the Divine Mercy and devotions to the Two Hearts, and all the rest of it, and I also attend Catholic mass.
GUYS! FINALLY! Honest doggy, these two dudes are what made the Church a live option for me, huge fan of both.
This was a good exchange, nice to see a protestant discuss instead of defiantly holding the company line. Unity is something we have no choice about, the fractured situation is not good for anyone, and weakens the Churches witness and authority. To me it seems quite clear that it is only in Catholicism do you find the room to maneuver, outside of a small number of doctrines and dogmas the Church is quite flexible, this is something you just don't find in present day Protestantism or Orthodoxy. Pray brothers and sisters that we all may be ONE!
The Catholic church is far less flexible than most protestant churches. There is a long list of doctrines and dogmas you must believe and profess in order to be Catholic. It is not the same for mainline Christianity. You accept Jesus, pick up your cross and learn of him.
@saintejeannedarc9460 @saintejeannedarc9460 Actually we have just a few dogmas and doctrines that must be adhered to, Actually we have a great amount of freedom, especially in our understanding of scripture. On the other hand, because of the belief in scripture only, protestants have locked in on verses and their meaning, which is at the root of their divisions.
@@Motomack1042 Biblical Christianity is simple. Catholicism is very complex. I've spent the last few years learning it, and while it's still Christianity and the foundations of how we are saved are largely the same, the method is very different. I don't have to believe in the intercession of the saints, have allegiance to Mary, have a patron saint. I don't have to worry about purgatory, even though I've confessed my sins, then I still have to do penance. Then that's not enough either, because I'm still storing up wrath for my temporal sins, that even though they are confessed and kind of forgiven, there's all this residue that must be burned off in purgatory. Not just my time in purgatory, I need to be concerned w/ all the people I know and don't know that are in purgatory and seek indulgences for them too. It just goes on and on and on and on. I could not have peace as a Catholic, there's just too much to worry about, that as a Christian, I know Christ has already taken care of, in terms of forgivenss and wiping the slate clean when he does forgive. My main concern is in having the grace for others that Christ has for me, and getting my hard heart out of the way and forgiving others. Also forgiving myself.
@saintejeannedarc9460 I find your reasoning surprising. The Christian life, if pursued, is arduous, we are called to be Saints, to be perfect, while we can never achieve perfection, we must pursue it by living a life of Holyness and obedience. The Church, in her wisdom, offers us all the means available to her as revealed to her by Christ Himself and the apostles. While the saints are not dead, all are alive in Christ, we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses and they do pray for us for our benefit. No Catholic is forced to ask the Saints to pray for them if they don't want to, why you wouldn't would be more troubling. What use is confession of wrong without penance, seem rather useless. If we truly have real remorse for our actions penance is a natural desired action. Again, confession without penance is incomplete. While Jesus took on all the sins upon Himself, we still are responsible for our personal sins, and as with anything we do wrong some type of punishment results. What I hear from you is "I just believe in Jesus and that's all I need" for me and good practicing Catholics, Orthodox and Copic Churches that is just the beginning, now that I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior it becomes my responsibility to continually seek a deeper and deeper relationship and understanding which allows my wife to be open to the Holy Spirit, sonI can go forth in love doing the works of the spirit through me. All the things you find cumbersome are the things that foster a deeper desire and love for God. Why is purgatory a problem, we all know nothing unclean shall enter the kingdom of heaven. Purgation is that process, we don't know how long it takes, we don't know exactly what the soul goes through, Paul gives us imagery of a cleansing fire. Even while our Orthodox brothers and sisters do not acknowledge "purgatory ", they to believe something happens to the soul to make it possible for us to enter into heaven. To pray for the souls going through purgatory is an act of love, so what's the big deal.
There is only one truth there may be a lack of fullness of understanding but there is only truth in its fullness.
That was absolutely lovely. Thank you both so much. ❤️
I'm a protestant, but I LOVE the Catholic Church in many ways- the richness of its History, its cohesiveness, the majesty and Reverence of the Latin mass, the liturgy, and the vast importance of Communion. The things I struggle with- and maybe because I'm more ignorant of The Church teachings but I dont know (unless they're just for remembrance of great people) that Icons are necessary or that we need intercession through the Pope, the Mother Mary, a Saint, or even a Priest in order to directly Commune with, worship, receive direction from God, study the Bible or have a personal relationship with Him. I TOTALLY and FUNDAMENTALLY believe in the tenets of the Apostle's Creed and that Jesus Christ is the only Son of God, our Savior and Redeemer and He is The Way, The Truth, and The life, and no one comes to the Father except through Him. If someone would like to explain to me my misconceptions, I would welcome a conversation😊. God Bless you all ❤
Time to just convert. Everything does not have to be completely settled in your mind.
Don’t Drink The Kool Aid.
Stay with the correct Authority which is GOD and His Word.
Christ did NOT have a Throne
on earth: He did NOT instruct
any apostle to Make or Take a
Throne. There shouldn’t be a pope.
Love this discussion! I was born Catholic, moved to Seventh-Day Adventist at aged 13, and saved as a Southern Baptist at aged 17. I turned 48 a week ago and I’m still in the Southern Baptist church (I’m a licensed minister as well.). My overall problem with Catholicity is the priority of tradition over Scripture. The Bible is God’s supernatural revelation to mankind. Humans are just clay in the potter’s hands.
isnt the Scripture also a tradition, assembled into 400 years of uses of codices (before there was a bibel) to a final work, done so by churches and discussions?
I hope there is another conversation between you two!!! I enjoy both of you and your work so much. It was great to get two people that I enjoy listening to to talk together. I am a faithful follower of Pints with Aquinas and No Dumb Questions so this was the best of both worlds for me. Could you guys do a podcast, like No Dumb Questions, but solely about religion and Christianity!?!?!?! A Catholic perspective and a Protestant perspective teaching each other about complicated religious topics with open minds and unique takes on life. That may be the best thing ever! Thank you for both of your ministries and all that you do for the church and to spread the message of Jesus Christ!
I love the honesty, openness, and vulnerability. I love both your shows. I learned a lot. Thank you. I feel a little less crazy as I continue in my journey in finding church where I can find community and find a place where I can grow in my love of Jesus Christ.
As a protestants but also a non denominational Christans I watch both of y'alls channels and love both of them. Great conversation about God and is glory along with charity to brothers and sisters who have differing opinions and cultural backgrounds. God bless both of you and y'all ministries.
This was a lovely chat! I hope Matt comes back for another episode. 👍
I love this conversation. There was so much fraternal love and respect. Just wanted to hug and high five both of these gentlemen for being honest, Christian gentlemen.
How am I just now seeing this?? I've watched Matt's channel (Whitman) for several years now. Just recently came across Pints and was pretty stoked to see this video!! My two favorite Matts in the same place!? Heck yeah!
The two Matts did two videos - one on PwA (this one) and the other on Matt W's. TMBH - both are great.☺
I love both Matt’s channels. Matt Whitmans channel is great and he’s a joy to follow.
This was a more exciting crossover than potentially seeing the X-Men in the MCU.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:14 😕 Matt Whitman's interview is anticipated despite previous big theologians; anticipation is based on his humility and openness.
01:50 😅 Humorous reference to eating fries in an interview; comments focus on eating sounds rather than theological content.
03:00 📚 Matt Whitman transitioned from being a pastor to creating theological videos on the internet, exploring Christianity's evolution and diversity.
06:03 💔 Matt Whitman shares his experience of deconversion, the pain of losing faith, and the challenging process of reevaluation and rediscovery.
09:43 🤝 Both Protestantism and Catholicism face pressures to conform to rigid beliefs, preventing open exploration and growth; there's a need for nuance and patience.
14:03 🙌 Catholicism benefits from embracing diversity within its tradition while maintaining core beliefs, allowing for various devotions and expressions.
18:43 🌊 Having flexibility within faith to explore uncertainties is crucial for the continued thriving of religious traditions in a changing world.
22:05 🤔 Convictional unity with people who hold different beliefs is valued.
22:47 🤝 Submission to certain teachings based on conviction or faith.
23:26 🔍 Different authority structures in Catholicism and Protestantism.
24:22 🏰 Distinction between centralized authority in Catholicism and varied authority in Protestantism.
26:14 📜 Development of non-Catholic expressions of Christianity based on personal revelation.
27:48 🤝 Protestantism is not monolithic; diverse beliefs within the tradition.
29:13 🙏 Divine revelation complements philosophical understanding.
33:03 🕊️ Recognizing the value of the papacy's historical role and practical solutions.
37:57 🌍 Wrestling with differing worldviews in a multi-cultural, multi-faith society.
40:01 🌐 Transition from shock and awe of diverse perspectives to reconciliation and coexistence.
42:09 ✝️ Embracing reconciliation and finding common ground on shared beliefs.
43:19 👥 Hope for friendships to foster understanding and positive change.
44:32 📜 The challenge of determining which texts are inspired in Christianity's early centuries due to multiple texts and absence of a definitive authority.
46:07 📚 Development of the canonical list through the centuries, from Pope Damascus and the Council of Rome to the Council of Trent in response to the Protestant Reformation.
50:24 📖 The church's inability to suppress certain texts in its early stages and gradual emergence of clarity about canonical gospels.
52:30 🕊️ Desire for unity within Christianity despite differing beliefs; aspiration for convictional unity rather than a monolithic agreement or rejection.
57:54 🌍 Recognition of divisions in Christianity and prayer for unity; importance of a new ethic to foster peace and cooperation among diverse Christian beliefs.
01:06:18 🤔 Protestant-Catholic division: The question of historical connection is a significant point. If convinced of the uniqueness of certain historical claims, one might lean towards Catholicism; otherwise, skepticism might arise.
01:06:45 🕊️ Unique authority: Catholic vs. Reformed perspective. Theological precision in Reformed Christianity challenges the notion of "making up" doctrines. Both sides cite authority, and the authority of a Reformed Christian often overlaps with that of a Catholic theologian.
01:07:55 🏛️ Ecclesial distinction: The authority vested in the Church by Christ and its manifestation. Key distinction between Protestantism and Catholicism is where the authority lies and how it's manifested, particularly regarding the five patriarchies.
01:08:22 🙏 Catholic identity: The complexity of being Catholic and the diverse senses in which the term is used. Accepting the term "Catholic" varies based on context and personal conviction.
01:10:01 🛡️ Sola Scriptura perspective: Evaluating new doctrines based on congruence with Scripture. The Protestant view relies on Scripture alignment, but some issues arise due to diverse interpretations and historical context.
01:11:14 🕯️ Devotion to Mary: Catholic perspective on Mary's role. Catholics distinguish between prayer and worship, viewing Mary's intercession as similar to asking earthly Christians to pray for them.
01:16:00 😄 Humor and patience: Dealing with repetitive questions and comments from UA-cam subscribers. Recognizing the intention behind the question and responding with patience and understanding.
01:18:08 🙌 Orthodoxy vs. Catholicism: Hypothetical choice. The speaker's preference shifts between the two based on his own inclinations and how his thought process might evolve over time.
01:20:44 🤝 Respectful engagement: Approaching questions with goodwill and avoiding aggressive tactics. Encouraging genuine conversations and seeking to understand rather than trying to stump the other person.
01:23:58 🤝 Finding allies: Recognizing valuable connections in the realm of discussing faith. Appreciating individuals who care about the same matters, express their beliefs beautifully, and contribute positively to the conversation.
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I loved this. It exceeded my expectations! As a former Protestant myself, it's good to know there is still robust Christians there
I am from Cebu, Philippines, where the devotion to Santo Niño( Infant Jesus) is intense. This Devotion is one of the cultural treasures of my Catholic Faith.
@ucimom4580 Yes Actually in most of asia! Very powerful devotion...Praise God 🙏
You guys are both awesome! I am so glad to see you were able to get together! And that you got along with one another! This is what make the internet cool.
Matt Whitman is such a good protestant youtuber in his openness love it!!
The Matts have united. Praise Jesus Christ! Instant favorite.
I am a Christian who fell away from the faith for a long time for many of the reasons you guys have discussed. Infighting, division, judgmental attitudes etc.. I am also a History and Religious studies major and it is consoling to hear two people with such intellectual acuity and opposing viewpoints reach out to each other and have this dialogue. Whether you know it or not you are the future and you are following what the Holy Spirit is intending for this last of ages. To coin that ridiculous but apt phrase: Unity in Diversity. Unity yes, but unity in one purpose, and that is the love of Christ. Forget the naysayers my friends and keep up the good work. God Bless you both
Loved this conversation, I’ve been following both Matt’s for years. The big moment for me in this is when Matt W said he thought the Protestant divisions were a strength for Christianity, and Matt F took the opposite position, that all should be Catholic and Christ wants us united. As a former Protestant, I don’t think most Protestants realize how much their divisions (tons of them over every little bit of theology) weaken Christianity and strengthen the secular and atheist positions. The Protestant movement has had terrible unintended consequences for the Body of Christ. We all need to have more tolerance and dialog with fellow Christians, working together on our common ground, and recognize there is a very real evil at the door that must be defeated - a relativist and atheist secular society.
The Protestant Revolt, opened the door to self-deification, after which the cohorts of Satan continue to our day to plot the destruction of the Catholic Church and Christian civilization.
Anyone outside looking into Christianity would be so confuse of the so many different takes on it. Many Christians today do not even know how to make the sign of the cross....this is how diluted Christianity is today.
Protestants protest amongst themselves
What and the Roman church doesn’t have its divisions?
Wow when he was talking about things he wanted: “peace…I’m just tired man” I felt that. Wanting to just lay your head down at night feeling at peace with your neighbors. That would be great if that was something we would all strive towards.
What Matt described towards the end (1:15:00) as prayer is exactly what the Mass is, which to any Catholiv is the greatest form of prayer. It starts with a hymn of praise (worship), then confession, listening to scripture being proclaimed, the homily & pondering God's words in pur hearts, lifting of petitions to God, offering, then full worship of Christ during consecration in the presence of the Holy Spirit before receiving him in Communion. Finally we are commissioned to go & announce the gospel of Christ. May God bless all Christians regardless of the domination. Christ loves us all and we must continue to believe, pray for increase in faith & decrease in doubt, and act in accordance with His Word.
September 8th was just the day we celebrated the Nativity of the feast of Mary of her conception as the mother of God free from sin
I'm Protestant and still one. Just thought i'd add that since the comments seem to be pointed in one direction lol.
God Bless to you all
I LOVE 10 minute Bible. He does a great job. I am a Catholic and he gets theology done well.
Loved seeing a balance between conviction and humility in this respectful dialougue. Truly inspiring!
What a good chat! I love how open and vulnerable both of you are in discussing your positions.
Concerning Mary, i strongly recommend "Jesus and the jewish roots of Mary" by B Pitre and "The definitive guide for solving biblical questions about Mary: Mary among the evangelists" by Kappes and Christiaan. To be honest, hearing so typically protestant answers about Mary that obviously ignore the real catholic position and strawmans then by someone who pretends to be well versed is frustrating... No, Mary is saved by Christ, as all human race, she is no exception. There are just two ways to save someone : before or after the accident, whether you prevent it or cure the person afterwards. It's not so hard, is it ?
Very interesting otherwise.
May we pray for Whitman’s conversion
to Orthodoxy :)
@@ThomasG_Nikolaj Nah
To Lutheranism
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@@JP-rf8rr Nah
1 Corinthians 12:12-31. I think we should be proud as a country that we can love one another. I personally am from a family that has dual faiths. In the past 3 generations we have had Catholics and Protestants on both sides. Not to mention I see Catholics converting to Protestant and vice versa. Spent many years in a Bible study with a Catholic, who often brought the beauty of Christ with her. PTL!
Great talk! I am a former Catholic and there are exactly three things that hinder me to go back to Rome:
1. The Papacy
2. Marian dogmas and "adoration"
3. The current civil war between CathTrads and more "modern" Catholics.
Especially the last point would somehow force me to chose one position over the other which I can and will not. And there are more than these three points that are difficult but they are the main obstacles I can not overcome. Even if I wanted. The others I suppose I could overcome.
Those are exactly things that held me back from RCC
I’d say come back to the Eucharist! And Confession!! But maybe that’s just me. I have to have Mass & Holy Communion almost daily or life would be unbearable. God bless, you’ve been missed.
@@marybeth1747 as a former Catholic I would never come back now that I see it totally contradicts God’s word. Confession is to be only to God not to a man (priest) who is just as sinful as we are. So much of a Catholicism contradicts God’s word.
@@dawn2508 When you confess to a priest during the sacrament of reconciliation, the priest is acting in place of God not as a man, it's the doctrine of 'Alter Christus' or 'In Persona Christi', he is acting as God's representative on Earth for you.
This allows for the fulfillment of the instruction to 'Confess your sins to one another' in scripture in such a way that the repentant can also have definite knowledge of forgiveness. This is so because Christ gave the authority to forgive or not forgive sins to the apostles, and all ordained men can trace their lineage of ordination directly back to the apostles, so that authority resides with them on Earth today.
If it doesnt reside with them then either the apostles were not given this authority to forgive sins, which contradicts what Our Lord said directly, or that authority could not be passed on, which would contradict the ability of the apostles to bind things on Earth, or it would mean that the line of succession was somehow permanently broken which would go against all historical records.
Pumped to see these kinds of videos! Love the conversation and brotherly love. I'm a convert who has mainly been in protestant circles, now looking to explore catholicism. God bless you both!
Read the Bible and visit a Bible believing church.
@@dawn2508 I have read the Bible in it's entirety. But about a Bible believing church, which would you suggest? Catholic, reformed, evangelical? Right now I don't know which one to go to. My sympathy grows towards the churches that respect the whole history of the church, not just the last 500 yrs
@@dylansaus Yes, and why I don’t consider myself mainstream “Protestant “ but a born again Bible believing Christian. And Christianity started in the book of Acts not with the Roman Catholic Church which doesn’t resemble biblical Christianity at all. You have any Calvary Chapel denominations around you? Or a non denominational Christian church? Visit one of them. Get fed on the word verse by verse. Drives me crazy how Catholic Churches say the same thing every mass and they say “a reading from the gospel of Matthew “ or whatever gospel that day and read a paragraph or two , give a vague sermon on it then it’s over. Growing up Catholic we never read the Bible and I had no idea really the context ot the people the priest was talking about. Visit both and compare. Mainstream Protestant churches are getting away from the Bible too
@@dawn2508 It's quite interesting how Protestants can't agree with each other and split and split and split into thousands of different denominations like broken glass that can never be put back together yet they are all united against Christ's One Catholic Church. Points in one direction as the Truth.
Great conversation I listened twice to it. I was interested in the Mary being perfect dialog. I have a awesome Mom and I would say she is perfect. I wonder if Jesus would say his Mom is perfect too.
St Therese of Lisieux Quote " The Joy of the Lord is not found in the worldly things which surround us but in the inner recesses of the Soul" God is found in that inner room (the soul) were God and I dwell. The great prophet Isiah found God in the simple breeze.
Sometimes I spend too much time trying to figure out God instead of being present with God in silence. 🙏
I'd actually disagree with Matt when it comes to his points at around 18:30 when he talks about Christian communities having staying power or succeeding which allow for diversity of belief and practice. Quakers are a great example of this. The Quaker denomination is flat lining despite having some of the most diverse forms of worship and theology that exist in Protestantism as a whole. It would seem at least on the surface level that since Quakers allow for a diversity of worship and theology among themselves, they would be the most successful if what Matt proposed was true, yet the denomination is crumbling due to disagreements on hot-button issues today. (I live close to the defacto home base of Quakerism in the US today so I'm fairly familiar with the situation on the ground in that denomination, although I personally am Catholic).
@@Anyone690 Exactly, secular liberalism is the antithesis of a Christian Society. I appreciate much of what the Founding Fathers tried with the constitution but ultimately I think time has shown secularism to be a grand mistake.
Quakers are christian?
The Internet is one of the best things to ever happen to the Catholic Church. I'm sold.
Mary can both be sinless and still needed Jesus to save her. One analogy comes to mind… others have fallen in the mud and have needed Jesus to help them out. However, there is still the stain of sin (mud) on them. In Mary’s case, she was going to fall in the mud but Jesus grabbed her and prevented her from falling, therefore she is free from the stain of sin (mud).
Jesus was the only human being without sin.
@@darthnihilus8476 Jude 24-25
@@jaggedplanet That’s after salvation dude. Nothing that hints at perfection or a sinless life.
Romans 3:22-23
@@darthnihilus8476 Correct in regards to your first sentence. Mary needed a savior and she still can be sinless. Both can be true.
@@jaggedplanet No they can’t. In order to need a savior, you have had to have sinned. If Mary needed a savior, then she sinned.
Catholic here and haven’t the foggiest idea about some of the details discussed during their conversation but it is wonderful/amazing/enlightening/encouraging to see such kind dialogue between the two. God bless and thank you! Great role models.
What I am hearing from 10-minute bible hour, in part is the importance of orthopraxis over orthodoxy. In other words, let us all do rightly according to the Credal Christian faith even if we disagree about the beliefs that lead us all to those same practices.
Huh.
Interesting. I say all this, while agreeing with Fradd that I want him to be Catholic.
What a treat to watch two of my favorites have a great conversation!
Well I haven’t watched this yet but I have been hoping for Matt’s conversion to Catholicism for awhile now so hoping this interview is another step in the right direction 🙏🏻
What a delight this conversation this was, a notable example of how we can disagree well and fruitfully. Thanks, Matt and Matt!
Here in the Philippines, we call that the St. Niño - the devotion to the infant Jesus Christ. :)
In Mexico we have a great devotion to the Santo Niño
@@davidgutierrez294 ¡Viva Señor Sto. Niño!
This interview makes me so full of joy. Last I saw Matt was an atheist. Hadn’t seen this interview since having seen that. Glad to see he has come full circle and it seems he has stepped away from calvanism.
Just something I noticed in Matt (W's) response to the Mary question: it really sounds like his expectation of Mary being immaculately conceived is closer to her being omnipotent. I would really suggest he consider the analogy of Mary as the new Eve. Then, as an exercise, apply those considerations he had towards Mary's perceived flaws toward Eve.
To be fair, he probably has other scriptural reasons why he doesn't believe she's infallible but didn't have time to give a full response.
It's been awhile since I watched this, but when MW addressed this, it was apparent misunderstands what being sinless means. IIRC, he was implying something along the lines that to be sinless is to be perfect. I also didn't understand why it would be wrong for Mary not to attend Jesus' preaching. I can't recall anything else right now, but I remember thinking he got Marian theology completely wrong, and I wish he would have been made aware of where he was misunderstanding it.
@@cameronoleary3916 because it’s not biblical. Mary was a wonderful, obedient servant of God but she was still a sinner like the rest of us.
@@cameronoleary3916 in Matthew in “Mary’s Song” she sang of her “Savior “ . Sinless people do not need a Savior. She understood who she was. I am not insulting her. God chose her because He knew she had a servants heart. She was humble and obedient, didn’t question God judgement even though this was gonna be a very hard thing in their culture. She was blessed. She was chosen to carry the Son of God, beyond an honor. But she was still a human, which means to have a fallen nature, which means to be a sinner. Jesus was the only perfect, sinless human who ever lived, because He was also God in the flesh. Jesus was sinless therefore the only acceptable sacrifice (unspotted , perfect lamb) to elevate any flawed human to the status of God is blasphemy. Also, the Bible says there is only one mediator between God and man: the man Christ Jesus. Mary doesn’t even mediate for us, the Bible says Jesus is our advocate
I want to say thanks about the comment on Mary in reference to idolatry. It’s something I feel Protestants think a bit. To hear a Catholics perspective is refreshing. Thanks for the convo guys
As a “protestant” pastor I can def say that sola Scriptura is fully illogical and clearly, obviously unworkable.
Sola Scriptura can't work because The Bible doesn't teach Sola Scriptura thereforth Sola Scriptura must be untrue.
I watched up until an hour in, where the arguments seemed to me to start getting a bit repetitive or futile. I think at the very bottom of the issue on the differences between Catholics and Protestants is not a difference of opinion over what the facts of history are, but rather a difference of opinion based on preference. Catholics prefer to know the truth authoritatively, while Protestants prefer a liberal free-for-all approach. You might as well be arguing over whether strawberry ice cream or chocolate ice cream is better, since no amount of facts will change the other party's preference.
No matter the flavor preference the basics of it is that it's ice cream. :)
Thankfully we can at least agree on that.
Well yes, the free market of ideas has dictated where Christianity has gone up until this point. A monolithic approach is great, but it simply does not communicate truth. You either know truth through objective means: reason, scripture, and tradition. Or you know truth through the authority. And if the authority is self referential, it either falls into arbitrary claims, or it is useless, since it does not have a monopoly on those objective methods of coming to truth.
You're right!
I am a Catholic apologist who loves vanilla ice cream with strawberry topping and I want everyone to experience the same joy that such flavor brings to my senses...
God bless.
@@4emrys That's a nice opinion but I already am settled on Catholicism.
My two favorite Matts!!!!!
Behold, how good and pleasant it is
when brothers dwell in unity!
There was literally no unity. "One faith" clearly doesn't matter anymore, especially with theological centrists.
But she's our mom she's there for me trust me every single moment she is there and that's why I love praying rosaries because she's listening and just keeps on proving it it's straight up the best form of meditation the best magical mystery tour you could ever take
Agreed, sister. Praying the rosary changes my life every day.
This magical mystery tour is ready to take you away (take you away) take you away
Where are we taught to pray to Mary in the Bible?
@The Catholic Integralist So can you show where we are taught to pray to / ask mary to pray for us?
@@grandmasterlucien "Behold thy mother. Woman, behold thy son."
"They have no wine." "Woman, it is not yet my time." "Do whatever he tells you." And that miracle performed Jesus in Cana of Galilee.
I have been watching your videos for several months. I am SO very glad that you both met and had this insightful exchangee of ideas!
I'm a traditional Catholic and I think Matt Whitman is amazing!
I'm Catholic, but I have Baptist roots and family and friends in the Orthodox Church. I'm with Whitman on being part of the fold. I'm ProtOlicOdox.
I would love an episode with the daily disciple
This was good, I always wondered how he could not be Catholic after studying and visiting cathedrals and churches that are Catholic, this makes more sense now. I like how you guys touched on woke too, his answer about the internet was perfect.
I always just miss these Live.
A meeting of two great minds. I learned a lot and humbled by you both. Respect.
Matt Whitman's position seems to be Christian relativism. It seemed like as long as you are 'Christian' you are good with God.
I would agree with that statement, but it depends on how you define Christian, of course.
While it does seem that way to an extent in this video, I would say it isn't the case in reality. Over on his own channel, he's made it pretty clear that the Apostles & Nicene Creeds are non-negotiable. They, as you probably know, lay out certain hard stopping points that rule out things like Unitarian Universalism, Mormonism, and the JW's.
So if I could offer a charitable correction, I think Pluralism might be more accurate.
@@ljones436 I guess I would be curious when he would say someone is no long Christian and when someone should worry about their salvation. I got the impression he's not worried about his salvation. With most protestant friends of mine they arn't worried about their salvation as long as they 'trust in' Jesus. I have more thoughts, but that gets at what I'm thinking. I have a baby diaper to change. 😄
@@jonathanbohl If one is living in a state of Grace they have no need to worry for their salvation.
@@thefreshman07 I see. Thank you. I think that gets at what someone has to believe but not how they are to behave. I think the Nicene and Apostles creed would probably still lead to ambiguity.
Jordan Petersen proves that articulate, instructive discussion from sincere, non-combative proponents is very much in demand. You both did well.
This was very interesting overall, thanks for organizing this. Matt Whitman’s response to the question about who decided the list of books in the Bible was somewhat confusing. He cites the Holy Spirit, Jesus, and apostolic authority. He also says the list was self-confirming. Yet he doesn’t seem to want to say that they were Catholics !! I think Matt handled it very charitably and overall the discussion is a model for civil, informative discussion. Thank you.
I am a Protestant who has a great love for my Catholic brothers and sisters. My maternal grandparents were Polish and Czech Catholics and I grew up attending mass with them. Even on leave from the Marine Corps, I enjoyed attending services at St. Michaels in Bedford, Texas with them. I have become less sectarian in my walk with Christ.
I'm just old and crabby and getting sued by my old family so I know it's a Catholic I'm an equal opportunity offender yet a staunch defender of my faith plus I'm from New Jersey so I'm a bit much for most people I tend to insult the weak, from a place of love but you know I'm not Protestant I can't be ripping out scripture quotes we have way too many other things to focus on 😂
Such a great discussion. I can’t wait to see more videos in the future with you both!
The big problem is most Protestants never meet or spend time with a Catholic so committed to their Faith, like a nun, a brother, a priest! They have consecrated their whole being to Jesus and his Church!!!! It’s very impressive in real life! Spending a weekend at a Monastery on retreat! Or help Mother Theresa’s Missionaries Of Charity!!! It will change your life!