‘BoJack Horseman’ Oral History Part 1: Creating and Casting Bojack Plus Season 1’s Surprise Turn
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2024
- Netflix’s groundbreaking adult animated series is coming to an end, with the second half of ‘BoJack Horseman’ season 6 - the final season - now available on the streaming service. For the past six years, the show has been lauded by critics for its dizzyingly surreal laughs - most of which come via some ingenious animal puns - as well as its fearless tackling of life’s lows: depression, addiction, and death are all regular beats in the tale of the ageing onetime sitcom star, BoJack Horseman. Ahead of the release of the final episodes, Rotten Tomatoes sat down with creator and showrunner Raphael Bob-Waksberg to talk about the origins of the series, how he got it sold, and how he came up with the idea of casting funnyman Will Arnett in the title role. Plus, Bob-Waksberg reflects on reactions to the show’s first season, which ranged from mind-blown to mind-melted among those who didn’t quite know what to think of this show about talking animals that was like nothing they’d seen on TV before.
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Best animated show ever made, a totall game changer for the industry.
@anonymous I'm glad they didn't. That would have undermined her entire storyline and the impact on both Bojack and the viewers. I'm sad it's ending, but simultaneously I'm glad it's ending on top, rather that fizzling out over several season before slowly dying out, like so many other popular series does.
Avatar:TLA and Cowboy Bebop beat it in my book but easily a top 5 contender.
Actiomedey they are quite different but both walk that super melancholy line at the right times.
The show was pretty much perfect. You could argue the last season was rushed but... no. I still love it like my nonexistent firstborn.
True. Also loved Sarah Lynn's last performance before her dive
Bojack has ended and everything is worse now.
An amazing 6 years. I doubt anything will ever compare and I’m so thankful these two college friends gave us this gift
I see it as "BoJack is over now, and everything is going to be OK."
@@superheatedsaturnite exactly
*high school friends that just stayed in contact a bit during college
@Blue Mole Thankyou, Judah
I see you.
Hey! Isn't that the guy who created the horse from Horsin' Around?
He's also the guy who created the guy who created Horsin' Around
Ziemowit Paszke but Herb created Horsin’ Around??? this is the guy who created Herb who created Horsin’ Around
¿Are you the guy who created the guy who created the show and then he hired the horse from horsin' around?
To Raphael Bob-Waksberg's mother: are you the woman who created the guy who created the guy that was in Horsin' Around?
now is only the horse of ''around''
His other show idea sound like something Princess Carolyn would try to produce ;D
Pc would produce anything lol. Remember birthday dad ?
PC would say that it has franchise potential. Franch Potench.
@@imveryape I TOTALLY read that in her voice
Right up there with Corpse Me If You Can-Can, the 1940s Cannes, France-set story of a can-can dancer who contracts cancer but continues to can-can as a canny cadaver who plays the accordion with Kevin Corrigan, Kevin Kline, Chris Klein, Chris Pine and Chris Kattan
So true
Rotten Tomatoes is gonna be pissed when they realize they just spent all that time interviewing Charley Witherspoon.
idgi
@@an-qo6by hes the voice actor for charley as well as the creator
STICKY
I love that Raphael made this hard hitting, deep cutting show about the human condition but has the most fun talking about the cute, clever, terrible animal puns. That's what makes this show special.
What I love the most is that caretakers in the show are bears, making them “Care Bears”
Remember when the opossum was in the hospital playing possum😂
This guy reminds me of Herb
Is it the clothing?
He reminds me of Flip more, tbh
My favorite animal gag from the show is definitely when the bird people flew by waving their arms. It never ceased to amuse me every time I saw it.
I liked when the sheep had no "BAAAAAARS"
Mine is the German Shepard security guard barking at people til they show them the ID 😂
I would so watch that french Revolution sitcom ahaha
Honestly if it was animated and both dark and funny, I would definitely watch it
Absolutely
Seems like an interesting idea, but I don't know how long it could last
He had me at the title: The Good Times are Killing Me
His catchphrase is “I’ve had it up to here with you!” ad he gestures to his neck
It was a little jarring hearing him say Hollywood and not Hollywoo...
hollywoob
hollywoob
The D in birthday dad
hollywoob'd
the theme song actually gave it away to me that this show is something different. It felt so out of place for a fun cartoon.
seeing bojack falling into the pool is what got me into the show is the theme song!
Same here, I was not really into it at first, but stayed because I thought it might go in a different direction. And im happy it did
This show was the first time I had ever seen Asexual representation in media. I didn't think I need any kind of representation nor did I care about it, but the fact that I instantly happy cried for so long at that scene seems to suggest otherwise. I don't think I had ever happy cried before that. The fact that Todd said he think he might be "nothing" before he found out he was asexual hit me so hard because "nothing" was what I identified as for years before I found out asexuality was a thing. I'm very grateful to the creators.
WarmMilk me too. I never knew what I was until this show. Bojack Horseman does so much than portray depression. It shows a wide range of illnesses, preferences, beliefs, emotions and...humanities to the audience and the audience just relates and empathises/sympathises or just connects to those humanities
I know how you feel. I never thought I’d get to have a hero who uses the same pronouns as me until Rebecca Sugar came out as nonbinary. I took for granted that that was just something I’d never get to have. I didn’t know how much I needed it.
Absolutely the same with me as well. Todd was awesome representation for asexuals who haven't found their word yet
me too. It so rare to see asexual representation and Bojack horseman made me feel valid not only by showing an asexual character that loves himself incredibly but also Bojack as a character who messes up so many times but had such a beautiful lovely character that has so much love to give
X2. I never felt so understood.
I’m gonna cry. So proud of him and where this series is about to be, the BEST animated series of all time.
Alright calm down buddy, go watch Avatar the Last Airbender and get back to me.
@@jakemckown7195 tbh, it's arguably better than the last airbender
SkyeAutumns honey, bojack is amazing, but nowhere near the calculated perfection of atla
@@jakemckown7195 well, watched both, and I still don't know which one is best for me
They are just too different to compare
@@artemkholmanskii2453 I prefer putting these type of things into tiers, rather than ranking. I think Bojack and Avatar are both alone in their top tier.
My favourite animal gag is when Vanessa gecko is finally shown and she's not a gecko she's human
My favorite show ended, and all I got was this free churro.
7:38 that is exactly what happened to me, I watched the first episode, didn’t liked it, forgot about it for 5 years. I gave it another shot after hearing all the praise just before the second half of the sixth season dropped. Best second chance I’ve ever given.
If I wasn't in a depressed state of just catatonically watching Netflix, I don't think I'd have gotten through the first season. I remember texting friends during it. Me: "Hey, I'm watching that Bojack show."/Friend: "Is it good?" Me: "Eh, it's alright." I liked it just enough to keep going, but it wasn't blowing me away.
I don't remember when that changed, but I think it was after "Live Fast, Diane Nguyen" I was suddenly hooked on Bojack and pushing it on everyone, trying to convince my friends to just keep watching to the point where all the seeds of the early episodes come together into something amazing. A couple of my friends got onboard, and Bojack was our buzz show for 5 years. Everyone else just doesn't understand when I would say things like "I'm about to watch the new season of Bojack, so if I'm horribly depressed for the next week, you know why."
I was all ready to give it up because I hated the other adult cartoons and I thought BJ would be the same, but I finished the season and the tonal shift was a great revelation. Hard to convince people to watch it though.
@@micpena3583 I hate to say it, but the first couple episodes are very Family Guy: there are a lot of quick cutaways, and the humour is mostly observational. The Neil McBeil the Navy Seal bit could totally be something Brian would get into, or even Peter.
Friends of mine who don't like Family Guy write those first few Bojack episodes off as more of the same, and friends of mine who do like Family Guy don't have room for another show that seems like it's doing the same thing, so those first episodes are a hard sell.
@@geneparmesan8748 Exactly. And Bojack the character was so unlikeable those first few episodes. You really have to finish the season to understand what it's about.
@@geneparmesan8748 I'm kind of in the same boat but I've been hearing the praise all along, all the critics I respect love it and I'm a huge PFT fan. The first 3 or 4 didn't grab me and I just haven't gotten around to catching up yet. It's kind of a problem with Netflix and the binge model, I never finished Love or Lady Dynamite either and I loved what I did watch of those shows.
It absolutely shocks me that the Grouplove song was seriously considered for the opening credits. Fun song and all, but that Carney song is a ridiculously inventive, haunting hook.
How many times have you NOT hit ‘Skip Intro’ when watching BoJack?
unprofound I never skipped it! That’s how good and appropriate it was
Not only is the Carney song probably my favourite intro, but the Grouplove song is such a perfect outro that I'm in disbelief that it wasn't specifically written as one. That little "brring" sound right before the song starts is the perfect gut punch at the end of most of these episodes.
@@geneparmesan8748 hahaha totally!
I never ever skipped it once
Never! i never skip the intro it's too emotional and mesmerizing and a perfect way to get into the right state for watching the episodes
Excuse me, please make The Good Times are Killing Me, I need this now.
Usually I'll skip over theme songs, especially binge watching, but man, Bojack's opening theme is one of the most fantastic pieces of music. The drum beat, the layering of instrumentation, mood...damn near perfection.
Ikr! Black keys are perfect!!
Back in the 2010s i created a really famous Netflix show...
i think if you're sensitive to emotions, you see right away this show is something different. the way characters talk, whimsical jokes intertwined with deep, insightful comments, the haunting intro... undoubtedly one of the most special shows ever created, love you Raphael!
Can't understand how anyone who saw the intro could think this would just be a comedy show. It makes the Mad men intro look jolly by comparison. Fantastic show.
That guillotine idea sounds hilarious
Omg Mr. Peanutbutter originally being a Patrick Warburton type definitely explains why he reminds me so much of Kronk
This show was a sudden- and great- surprise for me. I remember where I was in life when I was watching it. I was falling into a depression without even realizing it. I was constantly high on various substances. I was isolating myself and caving into this addictive feeling I had from it all. Soon enough, I was that person. Someone I could not even recognize. What shook me was a line from season 6 "“I bought into this idea that I was this thing that couldn’t be changed… the main thing I think about is how stupid I am that i didn’t do this sooner. i wasted so many years being miserable because i assumed that was the only way to be. i don’t wanna do that anymore.” I felt that to my core. Thank you for this show. Certainly one of a kind.
Everytime someone tells me they don't like the show I just remember how depressed I was when the first season dropped and I remember how much it helped me and how amazing it is.
I think Diane said that. IMO, I think she was more relatable in this season than in any other season. From her struggles with writing (in my case, drawing), her depression, her struggles with meds...I saw so much of myself in her. I'm glad she had so much growth in season 6, and that she found Guy.
Yes! I love watching it when I'm high and I'm not sure if thats ironic or not
I relate so much.
Am I the only one that can't stop thinking how awesome that "Terror-Reign in France"-show would've been? What an amazing idea, what a uniquely creative mind! He totally could've pulled that off! Maybe he would've wound up with an actually educational & deep, yet brilliantly funny show about politics, the structure of extremism & nihilist philosophy in relation to idealism, or sth... Am I alone?
Nope. I’m with you on this one. All hail king bob 😔🤘
Well he's got to do something now that Bojack is done. Who knows?
It's franchise potential
Like french potench, right in the branch of the merch that's expert in education and uh
Ranch?
Wow, his story about feeling simultaneously on top of the world in Hollywood and incredibly alone and using that for story inspiration was so cool and authentic
Remarkable. I confess to being one of those people who initially saw it and said "yea, it's funny, but..." and just forgot about it. Only about 2 years later a friend mentioned the show and told me to finish season 1 and then talk.
Today I consider it the best show of the 2010s. Not one of the best, not best in animation - the best. Hands down. Full stop.
I also completely take Raphael's point about it being difficult. I can't imagine a way to give the audience a clue as to what the show is about in the first 2 episodes. This is a show you have to see a season to understand what it's about. You may not like it afterwards, but you'll know what it's about after a season. No less.
There are 2 kinds of people in this world; those who have watched this show and those who haven't.
Technicallythetruth
But what if I’m blind and heard the show? :D
@@Flammewar Yes, very insensitive of me...I should've said "those who have appreciated..."
Never heard of it before today...
@@MrJest2 Binge time
The group love song at the end is great and light after a really heavy episode
the best animal gag is the sign in hollyhock's dorm corridor that says "licking frogs is a crime", it took me a few minutes to get it originally but after i did i lost it
Thank you for healing Bojack even after the last bender in the pool, and thank you for not healing his life, that's how reality is, Bojack is fine I know.
Six seasons...
And a Todd movie?
Allison Brie's gotta get at least one in her life.
el camino 2
That shows gonna last three weeks.
@@geneparmesan8748 But she already was in a movie. Not necessarily a movie based on a show, but a movie nonetheless.
I could rewatch this show 100000 times and never get sick of it.
Same, i stopped keeping track after the 16th rewatch 😊
Hats off sir, not enough praise for creating this masterpiece
Fiddly_Digits yes but a lot of praise goes to his board of writers that made this show what it is
@@Greggers1516 Such insanely talented writers. Sometimes the wit was so sharp and quick, you had to rewind a couple times to catch it.
The sax at the end of the opening theme always reminds me of the Pink Panther cartoon theme... and there’s a pink cat in the main cast too!
PC is like Snagglepuss's sister in a way
"For a show that is meant to be wall to wall jokes there sure are a lot of scenes that don't have that many jokes - And I thought... you are so close." haha, great. XD
It's incredible how much awareness he has of how different aspects of his show function and what they do. He really knows what he's doing.
I'm so happy that this man seems so genuine... That he's proud of his work...
This is lovely to hear him talk about his work like this...
I would have loved to hear Lisa Hanawalt's story as well. It sounds like this guy couldn't have created the show on his own and we're missing the other half
there is a video here on YT I think it was a ted talk. You might wanna look it up, I loved it.
@@sunny100294 omg her Ted talk was soooo good. She wrote an essay when she was little saying she wanted to draw horses for a living, I almost cried
Dude I know so many people that pass on bojack because they dont reach the tonal shift.
the ending credits song is possibly the catchiest song ever
Yesss ikr, i had it stuck in my head and was randomly bursting into "back in the 90s" for the entire day after finishing an episode.
I started watching this show because I had nothing else to watch. Little did I know this would turn out to be one of my favorite shows ever. It's so well written and the voice actors are amazing. Some episodes are truly gut punches and makes you think about life challenges and takes you into places that are uncomfortable to think about but absolutely real.
Whenever I watch these kind of interviews with directors, there’s a lot of stuff where I think "oh... they meant it like THAT" or "I didn’t really feel this way" or something like that. But with this interview, the only thing I’m thinking is "that guy knows exactly what he’s doing". Really amazing the kind of insight and feeling he has for how his decisions are going to impact the viewer.
7:13 Yeah, I got tricked alright, I just like to put cartoons on to let it play in the background as I go to sleep, but Bojack was too good to be background noise and in the end I was hooked and when I noticed I was tricked it was too late and I was in too deep.
Ive watched bojack at least ten times and I’m still catching new jokes. Even in the first 60 seconds of this video. I wonder what other jokes are going over my head
Honestly bojack was gold from the beginning. I love how it layed jokes out and also I can watch is 3-4 or even 5x and pick up something new from every episode. This man is a freaken mad man genius.
This show has made me cry so many times so hard
I was one of those who thought the show wasn‘t for me because of the silly beginning😂 a look over my brother‘s shoulder while he was watching season 5 made me try it again, and this time I stuck with it. Have watched the entire show twice, in the process or rewatching a third time with my boyfriend❤️ loving the show!!
Bojack Horseman is truly something else. I'm so glad you guys made it through to someone who appreciated the pilot!
I remember watching the first episode 3 years ago and thinking that it wasn’t for me. Then I heard amazing things so I gave it another shot and holy crap it’s the best show I’ve seen in a long time
Herb kind of reminds me of Raphael himself, idk if this was intentional but they carry the same energy
Probably the best show I've ever seen
I do NOT like being yelled at, and that is just something that people are going to have to understand about me.
I want that French Revolution show now. It also has the same title as a great Modest Mouse song.
11:00 What he says absolutely rings true, especially in the darkest episodes.
The deceptively upbeat ending song, when contrasting with the final scene of the episode, creates an eerie atmopshere that exacerbates the dramatic impact.
I love how you can tell how passionate he is about his show
I loved this show. Still trying to wrap my head around the ending of the show, but I loved the pure humanity and existentialism and comedy and darkness of this show. What an excellent show.
all I can say is, the Bojack Intro is NEVER skipped, and the ending song is awesome as well.
Can anybody else not skip the intro EVER because they are so mesmerized by it, or it it just me?
7:37 That's exactly what happened to me. I'm glad I gave it another chance.
I've seen so many shows since Bojack trying to recreate it's dark gritty realism but they all come across as so try-hard. This show truly was one of a kind and will be remembered as a masterpiece for years to come.
Hehe! He dresses just like Flip. Or vica versa.
Wish this show would’ve got more attention, truly one of the best and most unique pieces of work I’ve seen in a long time. This show really caught be surprise and I’m glad!
So perfectly explained. I can’t wait to see more of him
This show has torn me down and helped me rebuild. I always shrugged it off thinking it was some bs adult comfort show but it is one of the realest most related, down to earth shows I've ever seen. Thank you for your creation!
Thats so interesting! I never thought about the end song as a happy one.
I honestly can't decide if the idea for a family sitcom set during the French reign of terror is a terrible idea or the greatest show never made
I honestly can't believe it's been 6 years since this show came out. The past 6 years have just felt like always waiting for new episodes to show up and now I don't know what to do
Perfect casting, writing and story arcs. Funny, touching, heart warming and heart breaking many times over. But always true. Also that theme song, damn! I NEVER skipped it.
The intro and outro are the best. I listen to em every time
The right people stayed through the whole series! This is one of my absolute favourite TV shows of all time, astoundingly brilliant, I’m so sad it’s ended but so grateful I’m alive to see it 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
i love this show w all my heart
I look forward to more content from him!
Okay but "the good times are killing us" would be comedy gold
The good times are killing me omfg yes 😂😂😂😂
I’m not a huge fan of watching movies or shows but this show truly was something else and I don’t think we’ll ever have anything like this again. Bojack Horseman is such a beautiful, realistically depressing, funny, and terrifying allegory for life and the central themes of overcoming, having hope, and dealing with life’s bullshit and still trucking through it because all you can do is keep going is beautiful. It forces you to look at the big picture and really think about the things that matter. This show changed me and I’m so glad I had the opportunity to see this masterpiece.
This show actually got me obsessed with Grouplove, so thanks dawg xx
The "what" in question was definitely the Christmas episode when he was reacting to himself saying, "I've heard of lookie lookie don't eat the cookie, but this is ridiculous!"
"What?!"
I was crying laughing
Does anyone else remember this guy from "Old English" comedy skit group from 10 years ago. I would have never imagined he go on to make something so great.
I have no clue what ur talking about and im curious now. What do i look up? Links?
Thank you to the animators, you Bob, the voice actors just everyone really. Truly one of the best animated shows out there. I know the first season gets quite a bit of flack I really enjoyed it though tbh. With all the episodes it says a lot when not one of them really was bad. Sure it repeated a few story beats towards the end but still. Granted was a little let down with the last episode but I didn't feel cheated though. Didn't feel screwed over which with how some shows end is a hell of a feat. Here's to another awesome show Bob and one of the best tv shows out there.
"The good times are killing me" omfg
That one pitch sounds like a mix of “F is for family” and “big mouth” bc of the ghost
I thought the exact same thing!
No person has ever made me cry like this man.
I just watched the whole 6 seasons in two days and tbh it was one of the best shows I ever watched
I love the way it shows life i love every detail that create that amazing show actually
This guy's my hero. I want to be a part of his future work. Let me run coffee and listen to your creativity
Dude. . . Ur show. ..omg. .I feel my time here on earth was not wasted
The first time I watched BoJack as I was watching the intro i tgought it was next level, since that moment i knew it was gonna be something else.
I came across bojack after a terrible break up and a year of emotional turmoil breaking the cycle of abuse.... I was looking for a fun show to distract me. It took me months to finish the first season because I wasn't hooked. I saved the days I watched on Tuesday. Then a coworker who I became friends with wanted to watch it so we binged the first season together. We would meet after work and watch 3 episodes. This lasted a week. Then I told my therapist how I started watching a show to get back into claiming my enjoyment for my hobbies again. She said you might like the show more if you get past the first season. That made me question her why. She said another client of hers said it helped them under trauma better. I was like what no it's a show about a horse. Then curiosity hit me. I started the second season and was immediately hooked. I started realizing that I was struggling the same way bojack was. I have unstable relationships and self harm and suicidal thoughts. I had to keep taking breaks from watching because someone the abuse lined up so much with mine. At times it did trigger me but it helped me process emotions that I bottled up for years. Any abuse that my family did to me was always pushed under a rug or I was told I remember wrong or lied. My grandmother also got dimenta recently so times arrow helped me understand the illness better. I honestly feel so empty with the show being canceled. I just wanna know if bojack lives or if he really is dead. This revelation of being quiet for years about most of my abuse made me start writing. I am writing my memoir of my life so someone else out there can relate to it and heal from thier trauma knowing they are not alone. I really hope bojack comes back....
Bob probably won't see this, but he described my experience. The first time I watched this show I stopped after two episodes. I thought it was just a silly animated show. I was later reintroduced to Bojack by my now fiance. This show has become a part of my life, and made me ask questions I didn't know I should be asking.
he explains it so well! almost like he was there when it was produced
I love the ending of the episodes, he nails it perfectly. It's a wonderful jab in the ribs
Love this
brilliant writing for a brilliant show!
if u watch this how enough.. the animation and half animal people just become normal and that is the most amazing thing a show can do
Please give us the sitcom set during the French Revolution!! Im😂😂😂
Oh god PFT is SO talented
Im late to this, I started watching on Sunday, it's currently Friday. I just finished s5, safe to say I'm hooked.
this man is a genius. just bought his short stories book Someone Who Will Love You in All Your Damaged Glory. looking forward to reading!