Are you Resolutely Convinced that Christianity is True? Tim Keller at Veritas [6 of 11]
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2024
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Martin Bashir asks Tim Keller a final question about his faith.
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Jesus isn't looking for believer's, He is looking for know'ers. Tim knows his God
and this blesses me and Him. Well done Tim.
Fa Neil Fairbrother I'm sorry but is there a scripture where Jesus says He wants people to know like that? I can't think of any, however I can think of many where He says "believe in me" "believe in God" and all that jazz! know what I mean? I don't think it's wrong to say I believe in Jesus Christ, that He is God.
Corey Giles there is nothing wrong with saying I believe in God, but to know that he is the way the truth and the life and confessing so Is to have a good mindset on the truth and letting other people know what you believe
Well said!
He doesn't know something which can't be known. He chooses to persuade himself of the ecistence of strange and unpleasant supernatural forces and then to sit and pontificate as if his belief is some kind of special knowledge.
@@fido3449 It is God who does the persuading, not the self.
Yes I am absolutely positive that it is true God interact with God all the time.
How?
The bottom pat reads,first.
I’m sure Christianity is true.I’m a born again believer.❤️✝️❤️
Recent events seem to show Bashir as a Man of Preyer.
My whole life I think I've had a strong intellectual, social, and personal basis for Christian faith. Over the last few years I've been losing my social and intellectual bases. I still feel a personal interest and longing for faith, but I find it harder to be convinced intellectually that there is reasonable foundation in/for scripture, and extremely turned off by many Christians in my both my local social sphere, and in the global actions of Christians.
Can you tell us more about your intellectual struggles, and your concerns about the actions of Christians? Since [as you say] you still have a longing for faith, maybe some people reading your comment can help. Questions such as these deserve genuine responses.
@@version4point5 The only help the user needs is on order to completely remove that cancer called christianity from their system.
@@theamalgamut8871 Well, how do you define "Christianity"? Because there is a clear, simple definition in the Bible, and there are also vast numbers of people and organizations that claim to fulfill that definition but don't. I suspect that you've been told about, or have observed, something that is claimed to be Christianity / poses as Christianity but isn't.
It's crucial to remember that the Biblical definition is all that matters, not what people say. Just me loudly claiming that I'm a brain surgeon, a great musician and a star athlete does not make any of that true 😃
" That your Faith should not rest in the wisdom of men,but on God's Power", says 1st Corinthians Chapter 2 verse 5.
The truly biblical Christianity is founded on the power of God. The only explanation for Christ Jesus coming out of the tomb after being dead and buried is God's Power. The miracles Jesus did, opening blind eyes,healing all types of diseases illustrates God's Power.
Saul who used to persecute and torment early Christians was turned to Paul the Apostle after he encountered the resurrected Christ and knocked off the horse he was riding. It was a powerful experience for him. No one could change Paul's faith in Christ.
Intellectualism alone cannot change many to follow Christ. Paul said the Gospel is the power of God to those who believe.
Get to experience the power of the Holy Spirit and nothing can convince you otherwise. Irrespective of other men's conduct. Peace.🕊️
@@Thomas-og1ro Amen! The entirety of Paul's statement you are referring to is very powerful:
"And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God."
Here is another statement earlier in the letter along the same line of thought:
"Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men."
I used to only have faith.
Now i have scientific, mathematical, archeological, biological, historical and moral proof there's a God and his name is Jesus Christ.
OR….. There’s nothing intellectual about it.
“The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.”
1 Corinthians 2:14 ESV
Every word in your Bible, @LaMOi1, is a word written by a fallible human being.
Even things of the Spirit are rendered through the human mind.
99.999% of all people have only a mental and/or emotional "understanding" of any of it.
Quoting human written biblical texts is NOT spiritual descernment.
@@peterblock6964 All Scripture is God- Breathed and useful for teaching,instruction , correction, doctrine etc ..that the man/ woman of God should be perfect".
That is 2nd Timothy chapter 3 verses 16 and 17. To paraphrase.
God- Breathed means the Spirit of God(Holy Spirit) inspired the scriptures.
2nd Peter chapter 1 verse 21,says "The prophecy of the scriptures did not come by the will of men but holy men of God spoke the Word as they were inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Do you know the Holy Spirit? He is Perfect. He is the Spirit of Truth.
But you must be born Again to know the Holy Spirit. When you ask Christ Jesus to come to your life and repent and believe in Jesus,He will give you His Holy Spirit. Then you will know the Bible or Word of God to be true. But you must receive the Holy Spirit before you deeply know this truth. Otherwise it won't make much sense to you.
Peace and may the true Light shine on you.
The heart must be convinced that Jesus Christ is Lord. It isn't an intelligent puzzle to be solved. That would make intellectuals proud and boastful. God will accept a broken spirit one that He will not despise.
He's saying that theere is a point in everyone's life where they must decide with their intellectual faculties that Jesus is who he says he is
Does anyone know to what book he is referring?
Thank you.
does anyone know which book Keller is speaking of, he has written many so i’m curious as to which one he means
The Reason for God I think
Old testament prophecy
If you truly believe in God, it is.
Faith is confidence without confirmation.
Faith is knowing that you do not know.
@@zakariyarazi8247 Keller has no evidence. Darwin trumps him with fossils.
@@zakariyarazi8247 so, no knowing then. got it.
@@robertlight5227 is he a creationist?
@@JoefromNJ1 Yep. He says so in another video.
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Ya that’s easy when you are making money off of it….
with the bible being the only proof of god , Jesus and the holy ghost, it truly difficult to believe in it. This doubt, disbeliefs a-not new. But if we can see proofs of the afterlife as I did, I can say god is real; Jesus is real and the holy ghost is real. I died thrice in 1998 in Toronto and saw my dead body, dead mom now alive and several dead friends souls. In 2005, saw Jesus in a dream. how do you explain these events?
The Bible is “the only proof of God?” I’d say glimpses of human goodness, personal sacrifice, beauty, laughter, creativity and the enjoyment of music not to mention the resurrection and the whole of creation are all “proofs”. Your story is amazing and I’m glad it’s true!
Yet no proof you seen the afterlife, not very convincing
You can see Jesus in your dreams liek a Muslim seems Muhammad in his dreams
Not to mention every other religion humans have created, @@oddity4650.
Our minds create the memory of our own visions and our interpretation as well.
To understand our visions we need conscious awareness native to the level of the vision itself.
Mental translations don't qualify.
We simply must go beyond our minds entirely-
-not just for the duration of a vision or other spiritual experience, but permanently.
WHEN I WAS STUDYING CHRISTIANITY 42 YEARS BACK. I STUDIED IT THOROUGHLY AND I READ THE
KING JAMES VERSION AND LATER THE REVISED STANDARD VERSION AND DEBATED SEVERAL CHRISTIAN
PRIESTS. DURING THAT PERIOD, ONE NIGHT I DREAMT THE POPE VISITED ME AND TOOK ME TO A VERY
HUGE CHURCH AND TOOK ME TO THE ALTAR AND TOLD THE CONGREGATION "LISTEN TO THIS MAN HE
HAS SOMETHING TO SAY TO YOU". I GREETED THEM AND STARTED RECITING SURAT AL-IKHLAS " SAY
THAT GOD IS ONE. GOD IS THE ETERNAL. HE DOES NOT BEGET AND IS NOT BEGOTTEN AND NONE LIKE UNTO HIM ". AND I LEFT THE CHURCH. AFTER THAT I BECAME A STRONGER AND BETTER MUSLIM.
I SWEAR BY GOD OF ABRAHAM, MOSES, DAVID JESUS AND MUHAMMAD THAT THS HAPPENED TO ME.
HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT ??
Well. Tim Keller is actually living the "one path among many" life.
He's listed as a Presbyterian. That's one Christian sect among many Christian sects.
His comments in this video indicate his choice was based on social considerations.
He sounds like mental ideas convinced him of Christianity in general,
and feel good socializing informed his choice of specific sect.
That isn't exactly a convincing argument for his spiritual choice:
Neither Christianity as a general religion, nor Presbyterian as a specific sect.
Roman Catholic Church apologists will say Mr. Keller is NOT a member of Jesus Christ's true church.
I just don't believe him.
Kevin Craighead I just don't believe you don't believe him.
Kevin Craighead well, God does and that's all that matters
So is he saying that Christianity is not ethnocentric because it does not belong to one particular culture or group? I wonder if folks might say that Christianity is a group and thus is also ethnocentric?
It's not ethnocentric in that it doesn't belong to a particular ethnic group. It has its roots in the Middle East though and that should be the lens through which we observe and read scripture. Sometimes the western-Eurocentric mindset forgets this.
No, he was not saying that. He was saying it is ethnocentric for people in the West to be so stung by the Christian claim that there is only one way to God. In other words, that same claim would not offend Muslim, Jewish, or Hindu sensibilities the same way it offends humanistic 20th-21st century Europeans/N. Americans. Muslims for example would agree that there is only one way to know God--they would just disagree on what that way was. They certainly wouldn't be offended that a Christian believed there was only one way. They would simply claim the Christian had the wrong way.
What is interesting to me is that every religion but one, depends upon the work of man to obtain something after death. It is here where the offense begins. This is why those under the "coexist" label have no problem with the idea of "one way" because what is really meant is one way for you, and then there is one way for me but, really, like Oprah challenged, "there really cannot be only one way" and in that statement she was only referring to the nature of Christ. The offense continues that there cannot be one way under Grace. Every faith you mention thrives under following the law or the technique or mindset of the idea or the God. Christianity, strips all of that away and although there are people who practice Christianity while still living under the law, this is not the implication of Scripture. Ephesians 2:8-9 makes this abundantly clear. Therefore, under this understanding there really is not agreement of just "one way", because the only unique one way is where God does all the work and His people receive all the reward and it is this way, which is rejected by all the other "one way" ideas.
Doug Koehler And also what's interesting is that every other religion besides Christianity has different authors around a thousand year life span and is still able to keep the story straight and give evidence for it. But every other religion is by one man and has no evidence for it, hmm.....
sound like a circular statement, either way they don't agreed. Have you seen debates by Christianity, Judaism and Islam, they get heated.
Is Tim a heretic. I’ve heard several pastors say this.
Islam is the true religion. Every other religion are just pretty much varients of Islam with the message in their religion becoming corrupt over time. Like in the Bible and the Torah, they are not in its original form today and there are many different versions. For the Quran, its a historical fact that it has never been changed ever since God revealed it the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and this is the last revelation to mankind as a criterion over all religion.
Sam. You need to do your research. The Quran had many pieces that were put together and then edited and the verses that were not as well know were burned to come up with one version. There were at one time over 80 versions of the Quran. Most Arabic scholars will tell you this is the reason it is so hard to read. Over 40 percent is repetitive and 20 percent is unintelligible. This is because it was originally transmitted orally. The Quran is allegedly the first book written in Arabic. So corruption not taking place is a joke to put it politely. And you have it backwards. Islam is like all religions. Trying to gain acceptance or salvation through moral efforts. It is Christianity that stands alone as the only religion that offers grace. God expressly loves us and willing to suffer in our place and take our punishment on himself to save us for himself. This is taught in the Torah and the New Testament by your prophet Jesus and tells us that we must do the same and die for our enemies and love them. The Quran is a giant leap backwards into the typical i am better than you because I do more good than you and i will kill you if you insult my God. If you accept Muhammad as a true prophet you must accept Joseph Smith too. He has the identical claims prophethood as Muhammad. Both are false profits because they deny the other prophets that God has come in the flesh in Jesus Christ. AND teach you can come to god by some means of your efforts.
Sam
Yes I agree with U Sam wholeheartedly there. Islam had to be the last of all religions so that it will get all it wants from other religions before coz it (Islam) does not have its own doctrine to stand on.
Sam realy seriously?
Sam 😂
Sam's comments are a great example of the fact that the absurd, supernatural claims of every religion, or of any dogma - having never been substantiated - are equally ridiculous, and demonstrate that when you base claims on make-believe, no one has a better position to stand on than anyone else..."my werewolf could beat your vampire in a fight!"