Finally you said it out loud. I've seen so many of the videos from the states and I'm like "Nope. Installing a door like that would not fly in Germany." Building code, homeowners, architects, foremen, would all tear you a new one, if you installed doors with tolerances like that.
Another way used by locksmiths in Europe to attack "double contact" doors: Slide in a sheet of sturdy but flexible plastic at some point far above or below the lock through the z shape in and when you made it pull it down where the latch is. (Takes time, more or less destroys the sheet, may damage the wood of the door frame.)
Wood? Haven't seen that used in over a decade. These days, it's all aluminium or PVC with tight tolerances. And the windows? Just don't forget to close them before leaving the house.
And those are just interior doors. With a real "frontdoor"-style door, the latch is the least of your problems---plenty of slotted sliders all around that cannot be backdriven.
I was amazed at the residential doors, and locks, in Germany. And the thermal efficiency? Yeah... Incredibly good. Enjoy your travels, and stay safe. dude.
Another thing to note, you'll very often see two or even more of these tilt and turn windows next to each other, installed with the handles also next to each other. So, instead of fucking about with those fancy tools, just reach through the open window with your hand, and turn the handle of the one next to it. Cuz lets be honest who locks their windows. Hell, many don't even have locks.
For those wanting a traveller hook, Harbor Freight sells a 4 pick set for $2 (often less on sale) which includes one and 2 of the other three can be easily adapted to work as well.
It's the same with multipoint hardware. I live on the southeastern US coast, prime storm country. And multipoint has started to become mandated by insurance companies for any sort of double or "French" door or even single doors that have a seaward facing view, for new construction or renovation... And flat out a lot of the American multipoint products suck by Euro standards, but it's STILL more secure against attack, and, surprise, surprise, weather, which is why they're now mandated. Now I'm not big on MANDATES.... and customers hate them because they're more expensive than just throwing on a Kwikset... Locksmiths around here TEND to hate them because they're more complicated.... I'm just over here like, "Look, trust me on this, you'll be grateful you have it when the need arises...."
I have quite a few windows at home that are chain driven wind out, top hinge, internal fly screen. Australia, house built 1980. From totally closed w/ no external hinges how resistant to attack are these?
Just chuck a rock through the lower section of the window or pop a couple of tiles off the roof. (my Perth house was built in 1977 so I know exactly what you're talking about)
Having lived in both Germany and China, I would say that I have felt much more secure in both places in comparison to the US. (Except for student dorms in China, you can slip the latch to the door with your student ID card and spoon.)
"radiology sheets", as in the film sheets that you hang from the light boxes to look at x-rays? That's awesome. I work in radiology here in the US, so this is particularly neat to me as I'm also into locksport/bypassing/etc. as a hobby lol.
@@kasper_429 yes, those black/blu-ish plastic sheets :) Locksmiths always have a pile of them because people tend to forget their keys inside and slam the door shut, and there is no handle outside ^^'
Celluloid film was the first type of 'plastic' used to shim latches open ... this is why latch shimming it's still called "Loiding" to this day in some groups.
For when you're doing the drawings internationally, it is worth noting that making 'state' a mandatory field can be a bit awkward for countries that don't have states or provinces.
@@onenikkione and unincorporated territories like Puerto Rico or Guam, but that is hardly relevant to this comment thread. 'State' being a mandatory field makes sense if your form is for USA/Canada only because there the standard address format requires this information, in a lot of other parts of the world (e.g most, if not all, European countries) this isn't the case.
@@onenikkione We're talking specifically about the case of the form being incompatible with orders OUTSIDE the USA. But thanks for reminding us that the USA also exists.
I usually write in my city /postal area again, that pretty much always works. I've filled in so many international forms that it's more or less automatic for me now :P
Neat. I remember when I lived in Germany in the mid 80's and these were the doors and windows we had. When I came back to Canada and was looking a replacing windows in my house I thought I would love to get these with the roll down shutters, but could not find a local dealer. And on another note on how far the Europeans are ahead of North America, when I was living in Germany, we had 1 week garbage, next week recycling, and the people i rented from took my other material for the pigs. We did not start serious home recycling until about 10 or 12 years ago.
Those tilt & turn examples must be the extra economy spec. Every place I've lived at going back 25-ish years that's had tilt & turn windows needed some kind of Z-axis actuation prior to turning the handle. And for the extra paranoid, some needed a simultaneous key turn, button press and handle rotation. No idea who was exploiting windows 5 to 11 floors up 😕
So does "everybody else" in Australia. That's NOT a problem - it's an opening for a import business, if you ever are allowed to leave home again for your nad sea rulers that is....
Thanks for a great tip. It's funny that when our university uses a safety lock and even a correctly fitted door, they don't seem to care about the card readers and cards being garbage. We are literally one of the best technical universities in central Europe (Brno University of Technology), with a faculty of electrical engineering where they teach some of us how to design security systems, and still the only thing that stops you from entering labs with high voltages, radioactive substances and poisonous chemicals are HID readers and Mifare 1K cards that you can defeat using less than 100$ worth of equipment. By the way, if you ever find yourself visiting Czech Republic, be sure to let me know, I would really like to meet you in person.
I'm actually interested in something I could only search up as a latch opening needle. It's essentially a small metal rod bent in a "z" shape, but I haven't seen it sold anywhere sans Germany sites. Wish they were more public!
Two things, (Completely-ish unrelated to the topic) I had to look up "Crenellation", and I also have that same phone! I had a locksmith friend re-key it for me, and he got me a T handle as well so I can pull the drop box, and get to the guts. My phone was converted to free use years ago, and used as a public student phone at the college where I work. The mouth piece was smashed off from it (I replaced it) and it resides in my garage as a reminder of the past.
in Germany all external doors that I have looked at have at least one deadbolt that slides out when you lock the door, the latch is just for your normal door handle. The (kinda new) door at my fathers place even closes some additional deadbolts along the door with the door handle, which makes it almost impossible to slam the door closed. A lot of windows also have locks integrated into the handle, so you cant open it from the inside or outside if its locked and the key is nowhere to be found.
I don't imagine that the double contact doors include the bottom edge right, since that would just make a trip hazard? In which case, they're still vulnerable to under-door attacks potentially right?
They are the standart for pretty much everyone in europe. It is astonishing how truly awful american building style is copared to european. I just can't understand why it is so popular to build essentially pappe machee homes, while ignoring so many inventions. Here in germany, houses are built for generations to come. It is not uncommon to find simple farmhouses that are older than the USA as a whole.
they are mandatory where I live. If you build a new house it's those with at least double layer glass (or however is called, insulated for energy efficiency). If you have the money, triple ones with high quality window seal, you can lower the bill by quite the amount.
@@gabrielemagnabosco8926 It's called double (or triple) glazing (at least in British English). If you say "double layer glass" it means laminated, usually with a PVB film in between - which is usually for safety/security (e.g. car windscreens or bank doors). It can also be relatively energy efficient, but far less than two panes of glass with a vacuum or low pressure, low heat conductivity gas in between.
It's true, the traditional traveller's hook doesn't work much over here in Switzerland because of, like you said, the door designs are different. Most door and mailbox locks are Kabas and are really hard to pick.
True, there are a lot of Kabas (and maybe Kesos if you're "lucky") thrown at everything that needs locking here, but seeing such locks on less sturdy stuff like mailboxes, fence gates or similar always makes me think of lock-stealing attacks (get lock, disassemble, measure pin lengths, cut key)... still not really a simple way in given key control and everything, but could be relatively subtle if done well. I wonder if Kabas can be master-keyed to open with any key like some other locks can, or if the bitting increment is too small for that
At least in the Nordic countries most of the lockbase is mostly high quality modern Abloy disc detainers and the doors are usually very tight fits and properly installed.
Because that region has a history of occupation. In a land like North America most people see "the authorities" as people to whom you turn in the event of a problem. In Europe there are still people alive to this day who lived through times when "the authorities" were the people who were trying to break in.
@@DeviantOllam makes sense, and I think you mentioned that before, now that I think about it. The more I listen to guys like Steve Lehto, the more I distrust the authorities myself.
The thumbnail made me think of ducks :) Just a quick thought you might appreciate: U.v. has been influenced by some darker people to narrate our planet "killing racists". If you want to kill people for racism, you have to explain how you measure racism first. What is one unit of racism? Is it a measure of volume, temperature, distance? It can't be a PLANT behavior, because there is no "growing center of racism" because it is not attractive to mass. . Since you can only attack me with birds, why don't you ask wild feather babies what THEY think racism should be measured with? "Cars, buildings, all your stuff that you don't share with other races." This is where I point out that I have built seven bird homes, I often fill my bird feeder with good quality feed, barely have a home myself, and that I do not have a car. . "Molly, how do YOU measure racism?" When you treat other races different from the way you treat your own race. Especially if you think being cruel or killing someone is ok, simply because they are different. I consider it a behavior, and I would say that it's an ANIMAL behavior that is very hard to measure physically. HOWEVER, the more successful a race is at killing and eating other races of plant and animal... Without worrying about repercussion... The more racism is present. So I would say racism is physically gathering as: "women on the planet throne whose existence seems based on their influence over the landscape being completely RACIST and ALSO never feeling self aware or responsible for suffering on the planet". So I guess that means WIFU SUPREMACY is the living embodiment of racism. Xx chromosome women are RACISM in the flesh. . Attacking me isn't going to solve racism. 1. I am SELF AWARE of my racism inherent to being an animal. 2. I work to reduce my racism out of respect for PLANTLIFE, that's why I feed and help house wild birds.
Our more secure doors are really annoying when you lock yourself out and can't just use a credit card to pop the door open again. That's why I have a normal door handle on the outside as well, can't lock myself out, and when I'm inside I can always use the deadbolt.
A scraping tool was what a neighbor once gave me. (Think thin metal piece about 1 cm wide, 10 long and it was quite flexible. That opened the latch in one second.)
Whenever I find a way to bypass or shortcut anything - regardless of it being a lock, IT security or the doors in Ikea... I have 2 competing thoughts in my head... Devian Ollam and Homer Simpson saying 'the Max Power way'... ua-cam.com/video/7P0JM3h7IQk/v-deo.html
That tool for the windows is too complicated. In the footage at 2:39, you see that diagonal bar that limits the movement of the window? In my window that is just screwed onto the frame with screws easily accessible from the outside.
As a carpenter, we had a few door ooening jobs. We were not locksmiths, but we were slipping latches on our fancy german Rabited doors. The tools we used were handmade. Many main access building doors are much more secure though. Triple locking and so on. You'll likely need a locksmith or long time brute force to get in.
I used the Breeze Window opening Methode as showen to open Window of a friend who lost his Key. Only need a Toilette Paperroll and string No need for 'Super strong Kevlar' stuff Just some Packaging Sting from the Neighbor Took me 2 Tries, maybe 45sec?
Important point is that for locks in Europe we either have a handle with a latch JUST for opening the door and a separate proper deadbolt (really, even in Eastern Europe, multipoint bolts for the past 10 years) connected to a lock; or, (for fire code) a deadbolt with a lock on the outside and a spring loaded arm on the inside with no handle (and thus latch) on the outside of the door. When I started watching you I couldn’t understand how you could open a locked door with a hook, it did not click even after I saw your graphics. “Sure, the latch is not dead but there’s the big deadbolt in the door, right? Do people just not lock doors in the US?” Then I found out that the designs we use over here on residential bathroom doors for convenience are protecting a water plant in the US…
Actually, just happening to be a small business owner selling windows and doors based in germany, the korkscrew attack you demonstrated wouldnt work with our doors. First of all there are countermeasures within the locking mechanism of the door generally preventing shimming attacks(a little metal plate standing out a little and the door snapper usually is extruded about 1/4th of an inch before it cones up, that 1/4th vanished inside the door frame entirely) While this doesnt necessarily prevent any and all shimming attacks on doors,(Someone could in theory make a very sophisticated tool to counter this) most of the doors I sell do have more than one door snapper, with a geared mechanic inside the door, which means you'd have to shim all of those at the same time.Then theres a fallback, which locks up the gearing if a shim attack is sensed. I do not know 100% how this works, however if more than one door snapper gets pushed into the door out of the order the gearing locks up the remaining ones until the door is physically unlocked with a key from the inside. As for the tilt windows, our windows generally require to be entirely pushed into the frame(until it somewhat snaps) before the lever can be turned to full open. This means there would be a need for at least a strong suction cup on top of the hook used to grab the lever from the outside. For the security conscious we also do have lockable handles, which offer one of three possibilities: (a) tilt the window, press the knob on it and the lever cannot be turned unless unlocked with a key, (b) knob only, same as a, but you simply need to push the knob in the handle to "unlock" the handle, (c) full reverse knobs - with those you need to close the window entirely before you can open it. so you need to close the window, turn the lever 180 degrees to fully close it, then turn it 90 in the opposite direction before you can fully open it. Our windows are not accessible for shims from the bottom, so that would be a very complicated attack on them, albeit probably not impossible. On top of that, due to the window profiles its rather hard to use metallic(more stiff) shims for those. If you guys have any questions, feel free to ask, if you are in europe and need windows/doors, hit me up. We can actually deliver pvc windows in 4 weeks within europe!(given the current shortages that is amazing!)
Deglazing is pretty quick for emergency entry (more applicable to uPVC rather than aluminium). Many windows/doors are beaded internally, but this still does not prevent the glass unit from being put through in one piece. Doors are more vulnerable to this type of attack as you get better purchase by standing on the floor, meaning more pressure can be exerted onto the glass, causing the glazing beads to pop out, in falls the glass, climb in.
Not surprising to have international viewers given UA-cam algorithm. Watch one thing and they throw you five more similar. Most content I see is US made and am surprised if it is ever from my country.
you don't need a special corkscrew tool to slip the latch on a double contact door.... i use a spoke from a bicycle wheel with 2 bends in it. takes under 10 seconds..... so lock your doors!
I’m in the uk and while my windows don’t have that top opening instead they can be opened a crack and have something called the night catch which is a catch that while still in the frame of the window is spaced slightly more forward. and most windows I’ve encountered have a button that needs to be pressed in This isn’t as standard but I’m in a 1930s house that has its original front door and the latch instead of being in the door is this box that persuades on the secure side and has a small slide switch that if it worked prevents all latch movement whether that’s secure side or unsecured side trying plus we don’t use it but you know those bolts you get for garden sheds it also has one of those with a catch
Did the Americans just figure out that windows that can be fully opened or just lean opened can be used in homes :P i mean thats basicly the standard here in Europe
I've noticed that here in Poland, the doors and locks are much more secure than in the US. But it's kind of spoiled by the fact that people leave the keys in the lock once the door is opened.
For comparison, the standard door in Finland: * Abloy lock (Classic is considered obsolete, new installations or renewals are getting the most recent models) * once door is closed, latch goes automatically to a deadbolt position where it cannot be pushed back * additionally double contact (mostly for weather stripping - modern doors are sufficient for a 60°C temperature difference without an excessive energy loss) * security hinges * opens outward The last point stems from a number of church fires, where people panicked and crowded against the doors, which couldn't be opened for the pressure. Since then it has become a convention that doors open outward. The most common unauthorised entry mechanism to my knowledge is by breaking a window... Our neighbour's apartment was broken into by somehow slipping the latch. Then again, this happened in the late 1980s, on a 1985 door. A protective plate was soon installed on all doors, covering any gap around the latch.
I think you forgot one point (I assume that your doors are similar to ours here in Germany): * multi-point locking (most likely 5-point in newer doors) I recently learned through UA-cam that apparently multi-point locking isn't common in the US.
Hmm. I used to wonder what the corkscrews were for but kind of put 2 and 2 together eventually. I sleep on the stoop of a stairwell and the door into the main buildings all have overfitted single crash bar exits. When looking at the latch when exiting a few weeks ago, it just popped into my head. You could use a spiral piece of metal to push the latch in. This would be a great tool for you to design as single crashdoors with an overfit are super common. I never bothered before as I had the key to all the doors, but when they busted me=they found out I had the key to all the doors and installed Keymarks in all of them, lol. I still have RFID but I have to go down some flights before getting to the El to get back in, which is irritating. Since these doors are never checked, at least not on the floor I am, I'll probably just uninstall one of their Keymarks and pop one of my SFIC's in. I tried picking one a few weeks back but couldn't get it. Anywho, just a thought for a tools. I also plan on machining my UDT to do single crash's like your friend had done in one of his vid's.
As a European, I find this very interesting. Fortunately for my personal use, if (when) my door slams shut with my keys inside, a flexible piece of plastic should be enough for the latch. And for that reason I alwats lock my doors when I want them closed. Edit: Yeah, it might be a bit harder than I thought. That double fold and tight fit aren't making it easy. It should be possible though, with the right tool and technique.
When I had the windows and external doors replaced in the house just after I bought it, all the uPVC doors came with what is called, here in the UK at least, multipoint locking mechanisms. In addition to the latch, there are two other hook-shaped catches and two slider catches. You'd definitely be better off attacking the lock with those. Unless you just want to get in at any cost, e.g. police, then you batter the door in, or even attack it with a chainsaw.
Double contact doors hey? Those look interesting. We're looking at replacing some external doors at our datacenter... I wonder if I can find some of these that are Miami/Dade code compliant. Thanks for the idea.
I wonder how things are in Asia? Granted, a lot of the locks are keypad-style if I recall correctly, but I'm curious how those might be bypassed, too. Also, enjoy the Caribbean!
Cotter pin puller and seam probe are two other hand tools that share the traveler hook design. Both also have folding options I believe. I know some states/countries have strict regulations for regular people owning locksmith tools. Often times, hand tools share similar designs with different "official" uses.
perfect timing last weekend in my town there was the home @ garden reno show and a LOT of the local window and door makers are selling Euro hardware locally built doors and windows I was personally thinking that is the way to go even if the locks are NOT better BUT it would "throw off" would be thieves because they dont have the "right" tools to attack them in North America and it wont look like "fort knox" and draw attention like a high security system would on an old house
interestingly, i bought the cheapest handles with (very basic) locks on them for the windows. can be found in any store, and easy to install. i just checked, it locks also in tilt position. which is great, except i was told intruders will simply melt the plastic frame with a torch. not sure if the lever pulling string technique works with larger windows, the mechanic gets sketchy if you turn while not fully seated.
I was pretty pleased with myself the way I shimed my way through the back door of a friend's cabin in a matter of seconds after we found ourselves locked out. A couple pill addicts had failed this assignment a year earlier by breaking a window, one of them cutting themself on the way in, then bleeding profusely all over the kitchen and bathroom until their abandoned vehicle caused a neighbor to investigate and send them fleeing into the woods
Ah, that's a holder for my COVID card, 3D printed to look like a multi pass. Black strip is on the clear plexi top cover and it hides my name unless I slide my card out. 👍
@@DeviantOllam For less secure ones, a crowbar between the element and frame will do. They have a decent bit of flex, and most home owners don't realize for a while that their windows had been forced open previously. More expensive ones will resist even brute force for long enough to deter unauthorized entry, aside from smashing the glass.
living in Canada I rented an apartment and it had the tilt n turn windows and "assumed" they where normal was years later I found them as "European" NOT North American in design
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technology connections rocks mang .fellow nerd lol
Honestly one of my favorite UA-cam channels. I never knew I needed to know how a toaster worked before
Finally you said it out loud. I've seen so many of the videos from the states and I'm like "Nope. Installing a door like that would not fly in Germany." Building code, homeowners, architects, foremen, would all tear you a new one, if you installed doors with tolerances like that.
Another way used by locksmiths in Europe to attack "double contact" doors: Slide in a sheet of sturdy but flexible plastic at some point far above or below the lock through the z shape in and when you made it pull it down where the latch is. (Takes time, more or less destroys the sheet, may damage the wood of the door frame.)
Wood? Haven't seen that used in over a decade. These days, it's all aluminium or PVC with tight tolerances.
And the windows? Just don't forget to close them before leaving the house.
@@Hans-gb4mv There are a lot of old doors and windows in poorer parts of Europe, especially as you go east. 10 year old would count as new for many.
@@Hans-gb4mv Plenty of new windows and doors made of wood in Switzerland... great U-value and easy to manufacture.
@@nagi603 or you know, the crime rates are low enough that metal doors are not really necessary
And those are just interior doors. With a real "frontdoor"-style door, the latch is the least of your problems---plenty of slotted sliders all around that cannot be backdriven.
I was amazed at the residential doors, and locks, in Germany. And the thermal efficiency? Yeah... Incredibly good.
Enjoy your travels, and stay safe. dude.
Thanks for this info. I'm from EU, so this is something new
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Very cool
Another thing to note, you'll very often see two or even more of these tilt and turn windows next to each other, installed with the handles also next to each other. So, instead of fucking about with those fancy tools, just reach through the open window with your hand, and turn the handle of the one next to it. Cuz lets be honest who locks their windows. Hell, many don't even have locks.
For those wanting a traveller hook, Harbor Freight sells a 4 pick set for $2 (often less on sale) which includes one and 2 of the other three can be easily adapted to work as well.
I didnt know you guys didnt have tilt windows in america its very common in france
It's the same with multipoint hardware. I live on the southeastern US coast, prime storm country. And multipoint has started to become mandated by insurance companies for any sort of double or "French" door or even single doors that have a seaward facing view, for new construction or renovation... And flat out a lot of the American multipoint products suck by Euro standards, but it's STILL more secure against attack, and, surprise, surprise, weather, which is why they're now mandated.
Now I'm not big on MANDATES.... and customers hate them because they're more expensive than just throwing on a Kwikset... Locksmiths around here TEND to hate them because they're more complicated.... I'm just over here like, "Look, trust me on this, you'll be grateful you have it when the need arises...."
i want this so bad!!! ;-;
I have quite a few windows at home that are chain driven wind out, top hinge, internal fly screen.
Australia, house built 1980.
From totally closed w/ no external hinges how resistant to attack are these?
Just chuck a rock through the lower section of the window or pop a couple of tiles off the roof. (my Perth house was built in 1977 so I know exactly what you're talking about)
Having lived in both Germany and China, I would say that I have felt much more secure in both places in comparison to the US. (Except for student dorms in China, you can slip the latch to the door with your student ID card and spoon.)
Morning.
In France we tend to use radiology sheets to slip latches, since it's rigid and thin !
That's very cool!
"radiology sheets", as in the film sheets that you hang from the light boxes to look at x-rays? That's awesome. I work in radiology here in the US, so this is particularly neat to me as I'm also into locksport/bypassing/etc. as a hobby lol.
@@kasper_429 yes, those black/blu-ish plastic sheets :) Locksmiths always have a pile of them because people tend to forget their keys inside and slam the door shut, and there is no handle outside ^^'
Celluloid film was the first type of 'plastic' used to shim latches open ... this is why latch shimming it's still called "Loiding" to this day in some groups.
@@MikeBaxterABC yep! we love telling people this fact in class 👍😁
Fun fact those hooks come in loom knitting kits also loom knitting is fun. Love your stuff
For when you're doing the drawings internationally, it is worth noting that making 'state' a mandatory field can be a bit awkward for countries that don't have states or provinces.
yeah; here in Belgium we do have provinces but it's not as standard a component of the address.
USA is comprised of 50 States
@@onenikkione and unincorporated territories like Puerto Rico or Guam, but that is hardly relevant to this comment thread.
'State' being a mandatory field makes sense if your form is for USA/Canada only because there the standard address format requires this information, in a lot of other parts of the world (e.g most, if not all, European countries) this isn't the case.
@@onenikkione We're talking specifically about the case of the form being incompatible with orders OUTSIDE the USA. But thanks for reminding us that the USA also exists.
I usually write in my city /postal area again, that pretty much always works. I've filled in so many international forms that it's more or less automatic for me now :P
By the way, have you thought about doing some sort of meet-ups? Especially when you're in Europe ;)
We shall see 😁
I've opened doors with a corkscrew in one hand and a bottle of wine in the other.
Neat. I remember when I lived in Germany in the mid 80's and these were the doors and windows we had. When I came back to Canada and was looking a replacing windows in my house I thought I would love to get these with the roll down shutters, but could not find a local dealer. And on another note on how far the Europeans are ahead of North America, when I was living in Germany, we had 1 week garbage, next week recycling, and the people i rented from took my other material for the pigs. We did not start serious home recycling until about 10 or 12 years ago.
Those tilt & turn examples must be the extra economy spec. Every place I've lived at going back 25-ish years that's had tilt & turn windows needed some kind of Z-axis actuation prior to turning the handle. And for the extra paranoid, some needed a simultaneous key turn, button press and handle rotation.
No idea who was exploiting windows 5 to 11 floors up 😕
I think keyed versions were mandatory on higher levels as child fall protection.
What do you mean by Z-axis actuation?
Dammit. I wished that we could have half of stuff that is in Europe.
Is because half of our building are crap in Australia.
So does "everybody else" in Australia. That's NOT a problem - it's an opening for a import business, if you ever are allowed to leave home again for your nad sea rulers that is....
Thanks for a great tip. It's funny that when our university uses a safety lock and even a correctly fitted door, they don't seem to care about the card readers and cards being garbage.
We are literally one of the best technical universities in central Europe (Brno University of Technology), with a faculty of electrical engineering where they teach some of us how to design security systems, and still the only thing that stops you from entering labs with high voltages, radioactive substances and poisonous chemicals are HID readers and Mifare 1K cards that you can defeat using less than 100$ worth of equipment.
By the way, if you ever find yourself visiting Czech Republic, be sure to let me know, I would really like to meet you in person.
I'm actually interested in something I could only search up as a latch opening needle. It's essentially a small metal rod bent in a "z" shape, but I haven't seen it sold anywhere sans Germany sites. Wish they were more public!
collapsible traveler hooks? Thats neat
Two things, (Completely-ish unrelated to the topic) I had to look up "Crenellation", and I also have that same phone!
I had a locksmith friend re-key it for me, and he got me a T handle as well so I can pull the drop box, and get to the guts.
My phone was converted to free use years ago, and used as a public student phone at the college where I work. The mouth piece was smashed off from it (I replaced it) and it resides in my garage as a reminder of the past.
in Germany all external doors that I have looked at have at least one deadbolt that slides out when you lock the door, the latch is just for your normal door handle.
The (kinda new) door at my fathers place even closes some additional deadbolts along the door with the door handle, which makes it almost impossible to slam the door closed.
A lot of windows also have locks integrated into the handle, so you cant open it from the inside or outside if its locked and the key is nowhere to be found.
I don't imagine that the double contact doors include the bottom edge right, since that would just make a trip hazard?
In which case, they're still vulnerable to under-door attacks potentially right?
In my head, I read the title of this video in the exact same tone of voice as "You must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with... A herring!"
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Those tilt and fold windows are so cool. Saw them on my travel abroad for architecture school. Really wish they were cheaper to spec here
I was dumbfounded when I learned that they're not a thing in the US, pretty much standard in every house here in the Netherlands.
They are the standart for pretty much everyone in europe. It is astonishing how truly awful american building style is copared to european. I just can't understand why it is so popular to build essentially pappe machee homes, while ignoring so many inventions.
Here in germany, houses are built for generations to come. It is not uncommon to find simple farmhouses that are older than the USA as a whole.
they are mandatory where I live.
If you build a new house it's those with at least double layer glass (or however is called, insulated for energy efficiency).
If you have the money, triple ones with high quality window seal, you can lower the bill by quite the amount.
@@gabrielemagnabosco8926 It's called double (or triple) glazing (at least in British English). If you say "double layer glass" it means laminated, usually with a PVB film in between - which is usually for safety/security (e.g. car windscreens or bank doors). It can also be relatively energy efficient, but far less than two panes of glass with a vacuum or low pressure, low heat conductivity gas in between.
@@dlevi67 yeah, I def mean 2 or 3 layers of glass with a vacuum between.
It's true, the traditional traveller's hook doesn't work much over here in Switzerland because of, like you said, the door designs are different. Most door and mailbox locks are Kabas and are really hard to pick.
Yes, indeed, they are
True, there are a lot of Kabas (and maybe Kesos if you're "lucky") thrown at everything that needs locking here, but seeing such locks on less sturdy stuff like mailboxes, fence gates or similar always makes me think of lock-stealing attacks (get lock, disassemble, measure pin lengths, cut key)... still not really a simple way in given key control and everything, but could be relatively subtle if done well. I wonder if Kabas can be master-keyed to open with any key like some other locks can, or if the bitting increment is too small for that
I really wounder where you guys find this k-nowledge. As a complete moron it really intrigues me.
Nice bro very interested
Woot! Achievement unlocked!
Picked up a Traveler Hook at ukbumpkeys. Great little tool. Saw you using them.
I’m curious to know why the doors and locks seem to be more secure in Europe compared to here in the U.S.
At least in the Nordic countries most of the lockbase is mostly high quality modern Abloy disc detainers and the doors are usually very tight fits and properly installed.
Because that region has a history of occupation. In a land like North America most people see "the authorities" as people to whom you turn in the event of a problem. In Europe there are still people alive to this day who lived through times when "the authorities" were the people who were trying to break in.
@@DeviantOllam makes sense, and I think you mentioned that before, now that I think about it. The more I listen to guys like Steve Lehto, the more I distrust the authorities myself.
technology connections is great
The thumbnail made me think of ducks :)
Just a quick thought you might appreciate:
U.v. has been influenced by some darker people to narrate our planet "killing racists".
If you want to kill people for racism, you have to explain how you measure racism first.
What is one unit of racism?
Is it a measure of volume, temperature, distance?
It can't be a PLANT behavior, because there is no "growing center of racism" because it is not attractive to mass.
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Since you can only attack me with birds, why don't you ask wild feather babies what THEY think racism should be measured with?
"Cars, buildings, all your stuff that you don't share with other races."
This is where I point out that I have built seven bird homes, I often fill my bird feeder with good quality feed, barely have a home myself, and that I do not have a car.
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"Molly, how do YOU measure racism?"
When you treat other races different from the way you treat your own race.
Especially if you think being cruel or killing someone is ok, simply because they are different.
I consider it a behavior, and I would say that it's an ANIMAL behavior that is very hard to measure physically.
HOWEVER, the more successful a race is at killing and eating other races of plant and animal... Without worrying about repercussion... The more racism is present.
So I would say racism is physically gathering as:
"women on the planet throne whose existence seems based on their influence over the landscape being completely RACIST and ALSO never feeling self aware or responsible for suffering on the planet".
So I guess that means WIFU SUPREMACY is the living embodiment of racism.
Xx chromosome women are RACISM in the flesh.
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Attacking me isn't going to solve racism.
1. I am SELF AWARE of my racism inherent to being an animal.
2. I work to reduce my racism out of respect for PLANTLIFE, that's why I feed and help house wild birds.
Our more secure doors are really annoying when you lock yourself out and can't just use a credit card to pop the door open again. That's why I have a normal door handle on the outside as well, can't lock myself out, and when I'm inside I can always use the deadbolt.
A scraping tool was what a neighbor once gave me.
(Think thin metal piece about 1 cm wide, 10 long and it was quite flexible.
That opened the latch in one second.)
another great vid with lots of cool info thanks dev for sharing!
Whenever I find a way to bypass or shortcut anything - regardless of it being a lock, IT security or the doors in Ikea... I have 2 competing thoughts in my head... Devian Ollam and Homer Simpson saying 'the Max Power way'... ua-cam.com/video/7P0JM3h7IQk/v-deo.html
That tool for the windows is too complicated.
In the footage at 2:39, you see that diagonal bar that limits the movement of the window?
In my window that is just screwed onto the frame with screws easily accessible from the outside.
As a carpenter, we had a few door ooening jobs. We were not locksmiths, but we were slipping latches on our fancy german Rabited doors.
The tools we used were handmade.
Many main access building doors are much more secure though. Triple locking and so on.
You'll likely need a locksmith or long time brute force to get in.
I used the Breeze Window opening Methode as showen to open Window of a friend who lost his Key.
Only need a Toilette Paperroll and string
No need for 'Super strong Kevlar' stuff
Just some Packaging Sting from the Neighbor
Took me 2 Tries, maybe 45sec?
Important point is that for locks in Europe we either have a handle with a latch JUST for opening the door and a separate proper deadbolt (really, even in Eastern Europe, multipoint bolts for the past 10 years) connected to a lock; or, (for fire code) a deadbolt with a lock on the outside and a spring loaded arm on the inside with no handle (and thus latch) on the outside of the door.
When I started watching you I couldn’t understand how you could open a locked door with a hook, it did not click even after I saw your graphics. “Sure, the latch is not dead but there’s the big deadbolt in the door, right? Do people just not lock doors in the US?” Then I found out that the designs we use over here on residential bathroom doors for convenience are protecting a water plant in the US…
Actually, just happening to be a small business owner selling windows and doors based in germany, the korkscrew attack you demonstrated wouldnt work with our doors. First of all there are countermeasures within the locking mechanism of the door generally preventing shimming attacks(a little metal plate standing out a little and the door snapper usually is extruded about 1/4th of an inch before it cones up, that 1/4th vanished inside the door frame entirely) While this doesnt necessarily prevent any and all shimming attacks on doors,(Someone could in theory make a very sophisticated tool to counter this) most of the doors I sell do have more than one door snapper, with a geared mechanic inside the door, which means you'd have to shim all of those at the same time.Then theres a fallback, which locks up the gearing if a shim attack is sensed. I do not know 100% how this works, however if more than one door snapper gets pushed into the door out of the order the gearing locks up the remaining ones until the door is physically unlocked with a key from the inside. As for the tilt windows, our windows generally require to be entirely pushed into the frame(until it somewhat snaps) before the lever can be turned to full open. This means there would be a need for at least a strong suction cup on top of the hook used to grab the lever from the outside. For the security conscious we also do have lockable handles, which offer one of three possibilities: (a) tilt the window, press the knob on it and the lever cannot be turned unless unlocked with a key, (b) knob only, same as a, but you simply need to push the knob in the handle to "unlock" the handle, (c) full reverse knobs - with those you need to close the window entirely before you can open it. so you need to close the window, turn the lever 180 degrees to fully close it, then turn it 90 in the opposite direction before you can fully open it. Our windows are not accessible for shims from the bottom, so that would be a very complicated attack on them, albeit probably not impossible. On top of that, due to the window profiles its rather hard to use metallic(more stiff) shims for those.
If you guys have any questions, feel free to ask, if you are in europe and need windows/doors, hit me up. We can actually deliver pvc windows in 4 weeks within europe!(given the current shortages that is amazing!)
Deglazing is pretty quick for emergency entry (more applicable to uPVC rather than aluminium). Many windows/doors are beaded internally, but this still does not prevent the glass unit from being put through in one piece. Doors are more vulnerable to this type of attack as you get better purchase by standing on the floor, meaning more pressure can be exerted onto the glass, causing the glazing beads to pop out, in falls the glass, climb in.
interesting tool. though i was hoping for something police wouldn't really question (for sneaky ideas sake not criminal activity)
Not surprising to have international viewers given UA-cam algorithm. Watch one thing and they throw you five more similar. Most content I see is US made and am surprised if it is ever from my country.
you don't need a special corkscrew tool to slip the latch on a double contact door.... i use a spoke from a bicycle wheel with 2 bends in it. takes under 10 seconds.....
so lock your doors!
I’m in the uk and while my windows don’t have that top opening instead they can be opened a crack and have something called the night catch which is a catch that while still in the frame of the window is spaced slightly more forward. and most windows I’ve encountered have a button that needs to be pressed in
This isn’t as standard but I’m in a 1930s house that has its original front door and the latch instead of being in the door is this box that persuades on the secure side and has a small slide switch that if it worked prevents all latch movement whether that’s secure side or unsecured side trying plus we don’t use it but you know those bolts you get for garden sheds it also has one of those with a catch
Did the Americans just figure out that windows that can be fully opened or just lean opened can be used in homes :P i mean thats basicly the standard here in Europe
I've noticed that here in Poland, the doors and locks are much more secure than in the US. But it's kind of spoiled by the fact that people leave the keys in the lock once the door is opened.
Even indoor doors have that design here. But the giant doors at the university aren't for example.
Always learn from you ...Thx wish I could win a giveaway!
A steel bar across the whole door with pins mounted in the brick wall.
Is still the best.
Here we called it a Murphy bar.
There was an advert before this video 😶 I hope you're getting some cash Deviant!
Those doors look like bank vault doors! How have they never been in any movies I've seen?!
You... dont have the doors with steps in them in the US normally?
It was cool for you to mention Technology Connections. I follow him as well.
Very informative!!
I would really appreciate a more in depth tutorial on how to open those doors.
Friends in the NL eh? ◉‿◉
I've seen those books in auto stores here sold as o-ring picks.
How would you pick a schlage primus?
wait, you're not LPL...
Link to buy that Doorking? :)
the corkscrew is new to me.👍
those are so cool
Cool beans
🙂
For comparison, the standard door in Finland:
* Abloy lock (Classic is considered obsolete, new installations or renewals are getting the most recent models)
* once door is closed, latch goes automatically to a deadbolt position where it cannot be pushed back
* additionally double contact (mostly for weather stripping - modern doors are sufficient for a 60°C temperature difference without an excessive energy loss)
* security hinges
* opens outward
The last point stems from a number of church fires, where people panicked and crowded against the doors, which couldn't be opened for the pressure. Since then it has become a convention that doors open outward.
The most common unauthorised entry mechanism to my knowledge is by breaking a window...
Our neighbour's apartment was broken into by somehow slipping the latch. Then again, this happened in the late 1980s, on a 1985 door. A protective plate was soon installed on all doors, covering any gap around the latch.
I think you forgot one point (I assume that your doors are similar to ours here in Germany):
* multi-point locking (most likely 5-point in newer doors)
I recently learned through UA-cam that apparently multi-point locking isn't common in the US.
Hmm. I used to wonder what the corkscrews were for but kind of put 2 and 2 together eventually. I sleep on the stoop of a stairwell and the door into the main buildings all have overfitted single crash bar exits. When looking at the latch when exiting a few weeks ago, it just popped into my head. You could use a spiral piece of metal to push the latch in. This would be a great tool for you to design as single crashdoors with an overfit are super common. I never bothered before as I had the key to all the doors, but when they busted me=they found out I had the key to all the doors and installed Keymarks in all of them, lol. I still have RFID but I have to go down some flights before getting to the El to get back in, which is irritating. Since these doors are never checked, at least not on the floor I am, I'll probably just uninstall one of their Keymarks and pop one of my SFIC's in. I tried picking one a few weeks back but couldn't get it. Anywho, just a thought for a tools. I also plan on machining my UDT to do single crash's like your friend had done in one of his vid's.
So you're homeless and breaking into buildings to sleep? Based.
Love all the videos and information!! Have been absolutely binging lol
cool, i was wondering what those were for and how they were used.. Thanks for sharing Dev!
Will you be visiting Buenos Aires? Would love to buy you dinner and talk shop!
I haven't been down to BA in so long. Miss visiting. I did give a talk in Spanish once while I was there, however. It's online and recorded somewhre.
As a European, I find this very interesting. Fortunately for my personal use, if (when) my door slams shut with my keys inside, a flexible piece of plastic should be enough for the latch. And for that reason I alwats lock my doors when I want them closed.
Edit: Yeah, it might be a bit harder than I thought. That double fold and tight fit aren't making it easy. It should be possible though, with the right tool and technique.
When I had the windows and external doors replaced in the house just after I bought it, all the uPVC doors came with what is called, here in the UK at least, multipoint locking mechanisms. In addition to the latch, there are two other hook-shaped catches and two slider catches. You'd definitely be better off attacking the lock with those. Unless you just want to get in at any cost, e.g. police, then you batter the door in, or even attack it with a chainsaw.
Double contact doors hey? Those look interesting. We're looking at replacing some external doors at our datacenter... I wonder if I can find some of these that are Miami/Dade code compliant. Thanks for the idea.
I wonder how things are in Asia? Granted, a lot of the locks are keypad-style if I recall correctly, but I'm curious how those might be bypassed, too. Also, enjoy the Caribbean!
Cotter pin puller and seam probe are two other hand tools that share the traveler hook design. Both also have folding options I believe. I know some states/countries have strict regulations for regular people owning locksmith tools. Often times, hand tools share similar designs with different "official" uses.
perfect timing last weekend in my town there was the home @ garden reno show and a LOT of the local window and door makers are selling Euro hardware locally built doors and windows
I was personally thinking that is the way to go even if the locks are NOT better BUT it would "throw off" would be thieves because they dont have the "right" tools to attack them in North America and it wont look like "fort knox" and draw attention like a high security system would on an old house
interestingly, i bought the cheapest handles with (very basic) locks on them for the windows. can be found in any store, and easy to install. i just checked, it locks also in tilt position. which is great, except i was told intruders will simply melt the plastic frame with a torch. not sure if the lever pulling string technique works with larger windows, the mechanic gets sketchy if you turn while not fully seated.
I was pretty pleased with myself the way I shimed my way through the back door of a friend's cabin in a matter of seconds after we found ourselves locked out. A couple pill addicts had failed this assignment a year earlier by breaking a window, one of them cutting themself on the way in, then bleeding profusely all over the kitchen and bathroom until their abandoned vehicle caused a neighbor to investigate and send them fleeing into the woods
Interesting facts on the European doors, Another great video. Take care and be well. 🙂👍🔐
You should really do one of these overseas shows, I think you would bring back tons of interesting knowledge and spread a bunch of yours.
Hey Dev... I'm trying to figure out if I am hooked up to your contest how can I find out
So after opening and enjoying some wine open the door with your new tool! Who would've ever thought🌈 Thanks
I think this is the most excited I've been for a giveaway. Dev's own famous red traveler hook :O
Thanks for another great video but the audio is kind of "potato quality" on this one. :/
would love to see that slip handle tool in some regular size windows
That’s a super cool giveaway prize!
Thanks again for the interesting info kind Sir.
Nice work
If I may ask, what is that grey thing with the mag-strip card on you wall behind you next to the knuckles?
Ah, that's a holder for my COVID card, 3D printed to look like a multi pass. Black strip is on the clear plexi top cover and it hides my name unless I slide my card out. 👍
@@DeviantOllam moool ti pass?
@@DeviantOllam Very cool. I was thinking multipass.
so how do you open closed tilt and turn windows
With a brick, I assume.
@@DeviantOllam Or a lever
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@@DeviantOllam For less secure ones, a crowbar between the element and frame will do. They have a decent bit of flex, and most home owners don't realize for a while that their windows had been forced open previously. More expensive ones will resist even brute force for long enough to deter unauthorized entry, aside from smashing the glass.
Hey. Love your work. Do you sell tools? Some of links seem pretty unfriendly to my phone. But then again my phone is very stupid
I run redteamtools.com 👍
First time I saw a tilt window was Sweden, it blew my mind who meant kids wouldn't fall out of windows if installed in the US
living in Canada I rented an apartment and it had the tilt n turn windows and "assumed" they where normal was years later I found them as "European" NOT North American in design