What Makes Lishi 2-in-1 Tools So Revolutionary? They Show the "Set Bounce" Phenomenon.
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
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A number of folk (Bill, LPL, Helpful Lockpicker, and even me in the past) have put up videos about these 2-in-1 picks made by the Lishi company (there are actually TWO competing "Lishi" companies... see Tony's video about that here: • Genuine Lishi vs Origi... ) and sung their praises.
But what about these tools is so revolutionary from a learning perspective? That's what I'm demonstrating in this video. These tools not only help people of all skill levels to open challenging locks, but they also help people to understand what is going on inside of a lock while they manipulate the pins. Specifically: Lishi 2-in-1 tools can help you visualize and understand the phenomenon known as "set bounce" that can be felt with the tip of a pick tool in specific chambers.
These tools can be a tremendous aid to someone of intro level skill but they don't hinder that person from developing more advanced level skill later on. In fact, Lishi 2-in-1 picks can help people on that very journey.
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Video game designers should start using these as their lock picking minigame
That would be cool
they'd still fuck it up, let's be honest.
That would be a great idea.
I feel like I just had a lockpicking 101 crash course and I love it
👍😁👍
When I saw LPL’s demo of the Lishi pick, that’s when a lot of “Nothing on five, a little click on four” all started to make much more sense to me. But your video, with diagrams showing what is going on inside the lock, that has really helped. Thank you very much!
Who's that
@@wileecoyote5749 - LPL is the “Lock Picking Lawyer”. One of the best and most famous lockpickers on UA-cam. Last time he won the world competition, he finished something like eight minutes before the second fastest picker. He’s famous for saying things like “Little click on five, nothing on four”, etc… as he picks locks faster than you thought humanly possible.
I'm just not dexterous enough to goof around with multiple tools, and this seems so convenient to learn with
yeah, they really can help folk who want to understand how each chamber is behaving
Deviant: "Make sure you always bottom out."
words to live by
That's what she said too.
I would expect nothing less from a physical penetration tester
3 kids later...
It has to go in *all* the way.
I was completely taken aback by just how simple a solution this pick is. I'm not an expert but definitely not a novice and this tool is just perfect for my needs. Especially when I'm trying to show my 13 yo son how it all works. Thanks for the vid, bro!
Happy to help and thank you for teaching the next generation! :-)
Wow! That is really helpful to understand what pickers mean when they say binding and the like. Like you said, for educators it's powerful!
i'm so glad it's helpful :-D
I've come to LOVE my Lishi tools... I started off with the three basic late model domestic GM 10 cut, Ford 8 cut, Chrysler 8 cut.... I mostly do industrial, commercial and residential work, I'm not set up for duplicating transponder keys, don't really have room in the vehicle for the new (EXPENSIVE) equipment and there's two really great locksmiths in town who specialize in auto, so I just focus on the stuff I can unlock and decode, cut a new key on the old HPC1200, the specialists don't have to come out on a call that would take them away from more profitable work... Awesome, $300 bucks worth of tooling and blanks, and I've got a new revenue stream AND don't have to risk an inside the door, or long reach attack on a now, "technically classic" car or fleet vehicle.
I was gonna skip the residential ones.... Most residential Schlage and all Kwikset pin tumblers, I can usually just rake, or rake and then finish SPPing, those I can't usually open with bumping or pick gun, and that's IF they can't just be bypassed... For, those that I just can't KIK cylinders are $5 a piece through my supplier, screw it, I'll eat that cost in the rare event it happens.... Industrial, I do hardly any picking or decoding... They're all stamped on the face, I have the code book and MK schedule... Look it up, make a new key, if it doesn't work, bad cylinder, drill it and replace... in 7 years it's happened TWICE.
BUT I picked up the SC4 JUST for when there's new construction and the project manager on a site didn't bother to talk to the locksmith, and ordered their doors WITH hardware that's NOT the standard hardware the companies use... The company likes SC4 keyway Schlage grade 1 stuff, but Hagar, Yale, etc SC4 grade 2 stuff got installed for example, and OFTEN whoever installs the doors forgets to pass off keys....
There's nothing really BAD about that hardware, BUT, these sites don't WANT that stuff... they want what's spec for them so if need be their EHS folks know exactly how to kill it in an emergency without waiting on the locksmith to drive an hour and a half to them.
Guess what happens to that installed but brand new Hagar, Yale, etc, hardware when I replace it to spec?
YEP.... Free locks that I can sell to another customer (usually light commercial) who doesn't care about the brand or model, cheaper than new but still effectively brand new (with full disclosure or course, since it's not "new in box"... and I didn't have to pay a dime for them. I just swap out, decode them, make keys, and step three (or four in this case), profit...
THEN I got to thinking about my residential calls where customer lost their keys, but because of the situation they really don't NEED a rekey.... They lost their housekey at the beach (which happens frequently around here) or they lost their housekey on vacation and there's nothing else to tie the key to their address, etc.... Now I pick, decode, cut a new key, Here's charge for my trip charge/pick, plus $5 for a decode and code cut.... I get off the call, and on to the next one, faster, customer saves money, everyone's happy....
THEN I found out you can decode the KW1 "Smart"key with a Lishi.... It's tricky, and not a 100% foolproof process (at least not for this fool, at least not yet) BUT considering that Kwikset still produces a FEW models where you can NOT remove the cylinder to reset it or swap it out (SHAME ON YOU KWIKSET, FOR THAT AND A LOT OF OTHER STUFF) which means if I have to kill it it means a WHOLE new lock for the customer, it's worth a bit of extra time to keep the customer happy because I saved them money.
I mean I don't say it about a lot of products, there's LOADS of tools that are cool, but their expense and unitasker status, that a slightly more time consuming but already familiar process already covers, means they're not worth it...
But for a working locksmith... those Lishi picks really are a total gamechanger, and with just a couple of situations like that, I MORE than made my money back on them after just a couple jobs.
All kwikset locks cylinders can be removed and replaced or flipped over so the key does not go in upside down.
@@wallywrench9844 Unless you can give me some references (in which case I'm always looking to learn something I don't know)...Not in this case. MOST Kwikset hardware has removable cylinders... The 917 smartkey series is not only not field reversable for keyway orientation (the lever itself is field reversable), but the cylinder is NOT removable from the spindle non destructively, unless they've changed it since the last time I worked on one (which was a few years ago)... I spent over an hour on hold with Kwikset tech support to find that out the hard way after I'd killed the cylinder expecting an easy way to pop a new one in.
Saw the LPL's video and was fascinated but was skeptical because he's so quick. Thanks for the in depth explanation and demo for us novices. Makes much more sense.
If you keep making, I'll keep watching. You've been amazing to follow this last 18 months or so, and my life is better for it.
that is so amazing of you to say, thank you :-)
First person who actually got this across to me. thanks.
The demo plus the animations are a winning combo!
Hey Deviant, This is so easy to see the decoded key to remake and all you need is just look at the tool on a recon run and cut your own keys to get entrance when on a physical security job!
yes indeed... we love explaining this to clients 👍
I was just about to get some of these off eBay. I'll grab from you guys instead. :D
sure thing, as long as we're offering a fair price. the market for these is becoming flooded and prices are dropping everywhere, so search around for the best deal. (most sites are selling them for $70 to $80 now, I believe)
@@DeviantOllam now if that's not an honest recommendation I don't know what is, honestly.
@@DeviantOllam well considering the amount of free content I've gotten from you a fair price from you can be a bit higher than a fair price somewhere else.
Right? This set comes with thousands of hours of free training.
@@reverendtfg6802 yeah I ordered from China it takes 3 months to get them but they are cheap I'll let you know if they're actually any good
That was the best Lishi instructions on the net! Thank you! Until this video, I had no successes with a Lishi!
I've always thought the Lishi tools are something Jim West would carry on "The Wild, Wild West".
Not the movie, the TV series.
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Lol
I received my Lishi SC1 yesterday and after watching your video, I was able to 'feel' and 'see' what the pins were telling me. I was able to successfully open my dead bolt and door knob locks :) Couldn't have done it so easily without this video!! Thanks so much!!
That's very awesome to hear!
Have been using Lishi picks for 3 years and that was one of the best descriptions on picking and pin stack set determination I have seen yet. Thank you sir.
Gotta love free content and a chance at free tools 👍
fingers crossed for you!
Signed up for the giveaway, and I can't afford your pay content (I am poor. What can I say?) but I DO try to promote you by sharing your content with friends frequently.
I don't know whether to credit you or LPL (Probably both) for my recent interest in lock picking, but I have been having fun with it, and love the thrill of getting the lock to turn.
After watching dozens of videos from each of you I got my first lock pick set a few months ago, and immediately cracked the 5-pin padlock I use when I go to the gym in under 30 seconds just with the head knowledge the two of you had given me with your videos.
Keep up the great work.
Thank you so very much for the kind words 😁
Learned more in this video about how locks work and lock picking than all previous videos combined. Would love to see a video like this but with security pins. Revolutionary tool!
I know you said this wasn't a sales video, but...I'm sold. This tool is brilliant.
I was having issues getting the technique of using the lishi. This excellent tutorial has me popping every lock on my property!!!
That is awesome, potentially the best basic training resource I've seen for lock picking. Awesome video mate, as always!
Thanks 👍😊
I have never picked a lock but I am so hooked on your content.
This was super helpful! All I know I learned from LPL videos. The only problem is, you can't feel through the videos. This really helped me understand what it should feel like.
Happy to help! And yes his videos are excellent. 👍
Great explanation which is half the battle in understanding 🤔👍🏻 Yes please I like the lishi
Great demonstration 👍
Been following your work for about 5 years, got me into lock picking as a hobby. I’m excited for this just to gain a little more experience on what I’m feeling when I manipulate a lock.
Great content on your channel, especially over the past year. I really enjoy the variety of different subjects you talk about and demonstrate, each one interesting in it's own way. Like one of those fancy drinks you make me want to try out. Personally, my favorite topics you speak about are pentesting, lock picking, firearms, and I love the stories you share from past jobs or encounters you've had. Excellent stuff, keep it up.
Also want to thank you for introducing me to sous vide. It's a game changer. 👍
wow, i'm so glad to hear that my varied and off-beat channel is of value. :-D i promise to keep it up for you and everyone else watching =)
Love it. … Yes, probably the best plain English explanation.
As always; stay safe, and of course stay awesome!
Thank you very much!
I have several of these picks on order, and this video was incredibly enlightening. Going to save it, so I can refer to it later. Thank you kindly! 🗝
So glad you enjoyed it and thank you! I hope that the tools help others to learn, as well. :-)
How this absolute genius has only 80k subs is mind blowing.
This has been the most useful lishi video I've seen, thanks a bundle!
You're a great teacher, informative and inspiring. The enthusiasm really comes across.
I like the fact that you are actually replying to comments on your channel. That is not often seen.
Thank you all your content. especially for using doodlie do as part of your vernacular.
you are most welcome! =)
oh my gawd he said doodlie do. it made my dayyyyyyy. pathetic
@@lordjaashin You still call it the "video description" instead of "doobly-doo"?
Ok, boomer. Do you also still say you're going to "tape" a program from "TV"? Or, wait, when your computer is taking time loading something do you say that it is "thinking"? 😂
I know, I know, all of your emails have "Sent from my iPhone" at the bottom of them, don't they? 🤣
I like how the header of your website follows you down the entire site like a popup ad covering 1/3 of the page constantly, great UX design
That animation helped so much with understanding what a set pin feels like
so glad to hear it!
PS
I’m caring for my youngest son who has Leukemia but doing better than he has in a while. Home now. Thank The Lord.
Hoping lock picking may be a fun hobby for him and imi to do together. He cant do much besides play video games.
So glad i found your teaching videos!
I entered your drawing, so we’re Keeping our fingers crossed! 😊
Really interesting, thanks for the extra details!
I just had what I can only describe as a "Sexual Reaction" to this video and immediately spent over 100 dollars about it. Thanks Olam.
You're most welcome 😂
What a great tool, I never thought of buying one before.
Those could definitely be useful! Might be one of the biggest tools to hit the lock industry.
Don't expect you to see this or read it but brought my first lishi lock (HU101) the other day, in case I ever got locked out of my car. Incredibly easy to use and very well thought out. Think i'll slowly increase the number of these picks I have on hand in case I come to need them in the future. Very very useful.
I might be able to keep better track of this than my keys. I’ve definitely picked my way into my dwelling more than once
Lock picking makes much more sense to me now, thanks!
The market has definitely gotten interesting since the video, thanks for the giveway!
oh yeah, prices are still fluctuating on these tools all over!
This was a fantastic video with enough depth for anyone to start using one of these. Nice!
Dev! I'd love the 5 pin Tool!
Guys if you've not been to an RTA class GET YOUR BOSS TO AUTHORIZE THE BUDGET YOU WONT EVER BE THE SAME AFTER.
I took Devs 5 day class in Orlando (ISACA) class in Feb of 18, then for the first time ever ate dinner with Dev and Bob at a Venezuelan joint after class wrapped the last day, had a great time..
Budgets have been tight the last 2 years, but I'll be joining another RTA class soon as possible.
Hey, good to hear from you! And we would love to have you back in class with us again. If you haven't seen our Surveillance Dynamics course or our Electronic Physical Access Controls and RFID class, those two are both really popular. :-)
Another quality video. Crazy how good this is as a visual tool.
This video is probably the most clear explanation of why a set pin still has some springiness! You could have also displayed how the feel changes when you overset a single pin. With that extra information this video would have been perfect!
Maybe create another video which demonstrates oversetting and behavior of security pins with Lishi tool? The combination of Lishi tool and the animation makes it super easy to understand the movement.
... and it visually tells you how far to insert the pick arm to reach a specific pin (something I as a beginner struggle with). Great additional details added to some other videos about these tools. 👍
Superb tutorial, really first class,, an absolute tour de force 👏
A well done explanation on what's happening here.
I've not really ever picked a lock, I've played with a training lock a friend had years ago but mostly just watch some of these videos from time to time. This video and the lishi completely clarified things for me. I understood binding but this just makes it all crystal clear now.
This video is so underrated.
Excellent explanation of the Lishi tools
Really good, easy to follow, yet thorough explanation
thanks!
Excellent explanation. I always thought of these tools mostly to decode, and yes they make picking easier but to help illustrate what is happening for learning I never really connected with before.
Great visualisation tool for pin state.
Great video. I've got the SC1 and KW1 and absolutely love them .
Comes the dawn. Thanks so much for this video!
The fog clears a bit more. Did not understand the significance of the minor bounce. Thank you for explaining it this way. The graphic was great.
Awesome video. Between demostrating the bounce and the animation showing where that bounce us comjng from on a set pin, it clearly demonstrated something not intuitive. Thanks!
I like to think I could keep my cool and not freak out if I ran into you in public, but I'd sure as hell buy you all the beers. Have to fangirl when nobody is looking.
The internet is an.. amazing.. place. There are more than a few toxic people BUT there is also a plethora of the absolute best communities.
Imo the lishi tool is one of the most valuable innovations in the lock world to ever be released. For the auto locksmith in particular they're worth their weight in Benjamins 😏 Makes "all keys lost" situations a 15 minute job.
This is a great tool for locksport type picking, clean locks. In the locksmith field, it works okay at best. Once you get into cruddy, nasty, WD-40 overlubed, graphite doused keyways, this tool is just too delicate. They need to make an HD version for the "rode hard and put away wet locks". I just like it for the convenience of having a tension wrench and pick all in one. I don't care ab out decoding, I just need to spin the core to gain access, or remove the handle so I can shim, gut and re-key. I realize that it's not all about my selfish personal needs, but it would be awesome. Like my future predecessor is teaching me, it's all about making customers happy and the quicker you can gain access and be on your way, the happier they are.
Yes! This is a Contents i will partake in. The others i left to those who really needed/wanted that stuff! :)
I guess you could use a 6 pin Tool to pick a 5 pin lock, if you know how deep you have to insert it?
So if you have a spacer in the correct thickness (which could even be 3D printed) and a 6 pin tool, you basically have two tools in one and save space and weigt.
Would be a cool idea, maybe someone can quickly throw one together and put it on Thingiverse (or maybe Deviant can do it himself and put it on redteamtools).
I suppose you could, or add a spacer between the core and tool. Many "5" pin locks are actually non-fully populated 6 pin cores, so you can just use the 6 pin tool. Some of the Schlage cores are shorter, so you can't fully insert a 6 pin key. This is annoying because you can't use the lock with an existing 6 pin master system since the keys don't fit. The space for schlage locks is 0.156 between pins if you want to make such a tool. The Schlage consumer code entry deadbolt I bought used a 5 pin core.
For those wondering, Deviant does have a 0.153 spacer that is made to split the difference between the exact spacer for Kwikset and the exact spacer for Schlage.
If I wanted to buy the Lishi picks in the order of most common keyways first, could you rank all the various models (keyways) in the order that they exist out there? - (like for example, I would guess that KW1 and SC1 would be the first two most common that you run into in the field, but you are the expert) - please give us your popularity ranking!
Awesome vid. Now excuse me while I run to my toolbox, dust off my old picks and go back to feel some pins again now.
I've really been enjoying the content. It's helped me expand my horizons in hobby lock picking and expanded my horizons in the field of pen testing. Thank you!
Great to hear that, thanks! :-D
I agree that it's a great teaching tool.
This has been a revelation. Set Bounce! Hmmm I am going to leave work early to run home and test this out. If only Lishi did more tools like this for European cylinders! Thanks again Deviant, always dishing out them golden nuggets of truth.
OMG would love it. I have a really hard time understanding using regular picks
You did a great job explaining. I watched the lock picking lawyers video when it came out and i didn't really understand it.
Love your video. It really helps understand how the tool works and how to work the tool
An incredible tool indeed, I been amazed by them since I seen them in a BosnianBill vijeo years ago, and been wanting one for years, but they are way off my budget because it's only a hobby. But thank you for the video it will be useful to illustrate this point when I teach my friends!
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I could see having one of them for your teaching lock, even if it's expensive and just for that specific keyway.
During the time I've watched your vids, LPL and Bosnia Bill's vids I've learned a lot more on physical security. I knew most locks are crap but just how crappy they are 🙄 off and on over many years I've picked quite a few locks and opened more than a few vehicle's for people that left keys inside. As a middle school kid living by a church it was funny how many times people locked their keys in the car.
Awesome visualization indeed!)
"Pin 5 might be a little sticky there"
You raise a question I've been wondering about for some time.
I like the aerosol-suspension graphite lock lubricant (which seems pretty hard to locate these days) from people like Lock-Ease, just for keeping locks I use regularly working well and easily.
What do you think about it for picking? Does it make it harder, or easier?
If you like the feel of these tool, you should look at their older (car) lock pick.
The blind touch picks are great for getting a feel for picking. The tool takes care of the spacing, and you just need to set the depth. A friend of mine described it like "bowling with the gutter rails up".
Thanks, we dig you too.
I bought the KW5 and the SC4 and have figured out how to use them in the 5 pin locks. I'm cheap. Didn't want to buy any more of these than I had to. I figured I'd need to make a collar or something but it turns out that the part where the key blade gets wide but will insert in the 6 pin lock, will act as a stop for the 5 pin and you just ignore the end position on the scale.
Awesome video man, really fascinated by these lishi tools and would love to win one - keep making great stuff
Very cool bud thanks for the show great info as always count me in
glad to have you here! 😁👍
@@DeviantOllam Thanks
Wish I was at a bar today. 😁 I pick at the bar while I chat with people.
that's a good lecture,thanks for your time, I learnt a lot from this video
I think I like the Wendt variation of this style of tool that I’ve seen on BB’s channel. Either way a great idea, especially if your looking to decode the bitting for red teaming or if you’re a locksmith.
Long time listener, first time caller. Uh, Marco is a mailbox head. Sign me up, please. *waits for fig nuts or howling mad Murphy*
Awesome how they turn an art into a science with the line grids. I wonder if someday they’ll take it a step further and fully automate it with some lil sensors & motors 😮
Such a nice learning tool
Love the channel always have great info!
Looks fascinating. And if I had more patience, I'd stop using nitroglycerin and try it.
Saw this pick...thing... on LPL or Locklab's video and didn't really think much of it... "Meh", I told myself, meh, it's a niche product.
But now, with this video, seeing you demonstrate the bouncy nature of it, I believe I can see the value of it.
I wouldn't mind one(or all) of those in my collection, I think that would be most useful indeed.
Mind you, I'm a rank-amature scrub that does this for the fun of it, but we all need that one "superweapon" in our toolbelts, don't we?
Very good explanation! I like that too!
Very interesting. I'd love to try this...
You should!
@@DeviantOllam what do you think of the lockmaster version.... maybe better for the professional picker but not as good for learning? What do you think
These look so useful. I'm mucking around with a training lock but I'm not that great at feeling these things. It's too bad locks here in Europe rarely use any of these keys.