Recovering a person overboard | POB-NET
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- We showed this device in our last video and promised a test video, well this is it. We try it out for the first time and see if it's something that's worth having aboard.
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Excellent demo! And we can use a boat hook to push the sling under water to help an injured POB into position too.
You dont have to push it down with the boat hook, it sinks quite nicely
Really good gadget. Compact storage. Deployed easily. Oriented automatically.
Suggestion: any cloth or line that goes in saltwater should get a freshwater rinse to prevent dried salt from starching it and weakening the fiber when bent again.
For those who don't know, getting someone out of the water can be extremely difficult, even inside a calm marina, especially with wet clothes, boots, etc.
Yes good point about the wash
Perfect, thanks for the demo and thanks to your Patreons for this great idea with the shrouts! We will try it soon as well, the water in the med still is a bit cold 😉
Thanks Steve for the demo. I saw it on Facebook but your demo was way more comprehensive. Great idea!
I’m very impressed with this solution. It seems relatively simple, reusable and easily deployable. On our wish list! ⛵️
looks like a no-brainer to have one onboard
As always an excellent well thought out presentation that covered all the angles of approach. Much appreciated.
nice piece of kit, in the merchant marine, we also use common cargo nets for MOB recovery, or just hanging on the ship's side to make it easier to climb back o.b, or used as a Jason craddle to roll the person back o/b ... fair winds !
This POR is better than nothing but:
1- need some padding on the sides so the person being lifted up doesn’t hit the side of the boat if there are some waves
2- IMPORTANT, be quick as person in the netting can’t swim or keep them selves floating incase the waves are coming in higher than them
3- a little danger of being entangled in the netting
I prefer to see mush smaller netting or material that is perforated
Try and use one, I think you would change your mind. There are comments on here about pushing the net down with a boat hook, it seems people think it’s difficult to get the net down and under the casualty, it’s not! (Having padding would probably change that which is why they don’t) The net sinks down very quickly and rotates under the person. I think if you change to a perforated material you would get the problems you talk about too. Remember the person is not strapped to the net so your buoyancy is not changed so they should be no worse off in the net as out before you lift. And setting up the clip height to less than the freeboard means the body is helped with the lifting. As you say speed is key though so having a system where the the height the person will be held while you sort out the halyard and having the double carabiner to minimise swing as you hoist is excellent. If those systems weren’t built in and you were having to lash something up for whatever harness you were using it just wouldn’t get done.
What a great piece of kit thanks for the demo looks easy to use.
Brilliant bit of kit.
Excellent catch Captain ❤
Tyvm great video n great editing
Excellent video Steve, impressive piece of kit. Hope Millie didn't get too cold. Thankfully not tested in the North sea.
Love Your Channel, And a Nice Demonstration, It would be Nice to see how it goes out on a Day sail with the Boat in motion, Best Regards From Dominican Republic, 🇩🇴⛵🏝
Looks like an excellent bit of kit. I would like to see how it performs extracting someone in full sailing gear with an inflated life jacket which presumably they would be wearing. I'm thinking of the extra weight of someone in what would now be wet sailing gear.
The net would certainly support a large person in full wet gear no problem, or course you have the challenge of winching them out but that’s the same no matter how you lift them. The net itself if light so not adding any considerable mass to be lifted
No likey - blatant advertising - we want sailing video that’s why we watch!
We have no connection with the company it’s just a good product
First thing to think about is coming up on the windward side of the man overboard where possible to blow the boat towards the person in the water, not away.
Would like to see if it can handle two people should someone have to enter the water to assist an unconscious person.
Ideally anyone in the water on a line to assist should not be getting into a such a state that they require a lift rather that using the boarding ladder, can happen of course and I would say the net would be capable of lifting two people of moderate size, or you can do one at a time, it’s surprisingly quick
I need that to get upstairs at my house
Yes the demo went better than I thought it was going to. Nice addendum to stop it swinging. Good to practice to include it in a real man overboard drill (just Judy driving, heaving to, pfd inflated , Judy winching...).
Good point.
@@judyaslett6209 Curious if youd use the MOB feature on the autopilot, and if your PFDs used at night have lights.
@@Alex000113 Hi Alex we use the MOB on Orca which is our main navigation tool. Yes, we do have lights on the PFDs as well as AIS. That would probably be our most useful tool if there was a strong current for instance - which there are here!
A MOB recovery device that seems to be effective.
If you can pack a ‘Lasotlite’ you can pack one of those!
It certainly helps, the MOB-NET is tricker though I have to say, requires a bit more effort. The lasotlite is all about the nifty wrist turn that always made it so much fun when you fail to mention it to the producer you ask to put it away!
I like the look of this product for short handed sailing but a bit nervous about buying from them, the website isn't even complete, lots of page holding comments like their work isn't complete, eg "edit with the Customer Reassurance module". Also says price is tax inc but not sure that would be the case for a UK buyer.
Maybe if the manufacturers are monitoring this page they can comment?
Lekker man lekker 🇿🇦
There are alternative solutions. It would be nice to see a comparison with the pros and cons. We have the Catch and Lift system on board.
What’s the manufacturers name for that one?
Excellent idea question on your follow up would it lift two people if a crewmember was also overboard as you described
I don’t think it would have a problem lifting two regular sized people, but I would hope the person going in on a harness wouldn’t get in so much trouble they had to be lifted also, the aim would be for them to go back up the boarding ladder!
It's an interesting one. I don't like loops and moving water (from my kayaking rescues). I can see a role for this if the casualty is without a harness which they probably (should be) wearing if there is a likely hood of going overboard. If they have a harness then every part of it is likely to snag on the device. I have never tried to rescue a casualty from my boat but for white water rescue the key was to hook the casualty by the harness. One is abundantly clear is I need to try out some of the stuff hanging on my pushpit and make sure I at least know what it's supposed to do.
I should have said. What is abundantly clear.
Yes we should all do more testing of gear, we will try this at sea sometimes just drifting in a swell. Obviously it’s a balance between setting your practice sessions to a level that’s somewhat realistic without actually causing harm in the testing. Getting injured on a test would be embarrassing!
I talked about harnesses in an answer to another comment. We have Spinlock life jackets which are very good and have an inbuilt harness, but I wouldn’t trust it to lift someone without them falling out the bottom. I just don’t think the crutch straps on these things are built for that. We’ve never tested it for that reason, too big a chance of actually hurting yourself on the test.
Also the harness that you ‘probably should be wearing’ while obviously true, is not real life, at least when you’re sailing in warmer climates. I don’t think in the last 6 years of Sailing the Med and the Caribbean we’ve seen a single person wear one!
Very Good, indeed, but 450 British lbs?? Yikes! Looks like about $29 in materials. We Americans love a profit, but that price seems a bit on he gouging side...
Whoops....Euros...
If you catch a bigger fish I think you can also use the device to get it out of the water 😄
😀😀👍👍❤❤
A fishing net for human.
Try it in a proper sea state.
What do you think would work better in higher seas? Not being sarcastic, honest question.
@@LoanwordEggcorn I'm really not sure because recovery of a man overboard with a shorthanded crew is exceptionally difficult. My comment was meant more to the point that UA-cam reviews are mostly made at anchor in calm water. Not a very good test and not a good review at all, IMO.
@@phillip1115 We agree it's extremely difficult to get a person out of the water. It's even difficult in calm conditions inside a marina.
Anyone who hasn't actually tried it probably does not understand the great difficulty.
It becomes MUCH harder with clothes and shoes on.
GIVEN THAT, I thought this worked relatively well, and possibly better than other solutions.
Perhaps you can use the POB for shark fishing too
I’m not sure about sharks! But people have used it for pets
Looks great but if you don't practice in using it every time you have new crew or at least more than one person proficient in its use then in a situation it maybe confusing. Obviously that is the same for all MOB or emergency equipment. Does it come with strong recommendations of practice its use before relying on it being left on the rail hopefully never to be needed. I imagine as you've demonstrated in your trial if it's made to be a bit of fun in warm water people are more likely to be practiced. For instance every now and then insist on retrieving crew members out swimming to be recovered on board using the equipment. Great bit of kit.
Yes obviously better if everyone onboard has practiced with it, but to be honest I did it first time just by looking at the instructions on the back of the yellow case. There is a laminated sheet inside with written instructions as well but I didn’t find that until I was packing away! More tricky I know in a real emergency but if I can do it first time it must be quite intuitive!
@@svfairisle And not looking at the instructions fully is definitely a man thing 😂 so it must be easy
@@ianfirth-clark5975 "Instructions"? Is this a term that you have made up yourself? I've just checked both the Pocket Oxford Man Dictionary and the Webster Man Dictionary
and there is no such term in either of them.
Edit: The thesaurus does include such a term. "Instructions" can be used instead of swearing, unsuccessful operation or premature failure. The English language never ceases to amaze me.
¡Hello!
Yesterday my mother-in-law asked me if I was going to buy that useful device, I answered that it would be better if I bought 2 dead weights and an anchor. 😏
An old engine block works fine. You won't even need an anchor. And while many gentlemen don't like mother in laws, crabs, crayfish, flathead and sea lice absolutely love them.
Here’s hoping you never have to use it.
Good as this is, and it is really good, the key message has to be DON’T FALL OVERBOARD!!!
Having twice been part of really competent racing crews that lost a man overboard, there are at least two critical steps before this can be deployed. First, you’ve got to find your POB and that’s really hard even with several people looking. Second, you’ve got to get the 5, 10, 15+ton boat alongside your POB without killing them. That’s where your ReelSling comes into its own. You use it to sort of lasso your POB and pull them alongside the hove-to boat, rather than manoeuvring the boat alongside the POB.
Then you’ve to get them back on board. They will very likely be exhausted, so this looks like a very good solution for that part, if you get to it.
Very few cruising boats are not shorthanded and most POBs from them are the most competent sailor. Unfortunately, very, very often a POB from a cruising boat is not recovered alive, if at all. Hence critical message: DON’T FALL OVERBOARD!
Yes I work on the principle that if I fall overboard in any sort of sea state then I'm toast, as you say getting back to a POB and getting them alongside is a tall ask shorthanded. But I would hate to get someone alongside and then fail to get them aboard. It happens all too often. Even on well crewed yachts. Rob James, Dame Naomi James's husband was an example. A very experienced sailor with a professional crew who got him alongside still conscious but failed to save him because it took too long to get him aboard. Don't forget going to the assistance of someone else, with modern AIS transponders it becomes more feasible to assist POB's from other boats.
@@svfairisle Once again Steve, we are in screaming agreement. I constantly tell people that falling overboard is a likely death sentence. It really sharpens their senses. And, like you, I do love this bit of kit. We have something similar from SOS Marine, but have never deployed it with an actual person.
That's really gimmicky. and in a rough sea, more dangerous than useful.
Interesting that you think that. What method do you have thats safer we would all like to know
No device is going to be easy to use in a rough sea. So what is your perfectly safe recovery method please Basil ?
@@svfairisle I am no armchair sailor, but thanks for the comment.
@@svfairisle I think you have a clear conflict of interest with the manufacturer. and this device is shit unless you fishing out a dead body.
@@basilroland You are not explaining a better way to extract a POB from the sea. It really isn’t helpful to make derogatory comments with no explanation as to why you think this device is ‘more dangerous than useful’ and not offering a better solution, and not pointing out any possible short comings with the equipment.
You can really break down the recovery of a POB into 3 things
1) finding them and getting the boat alongside, clearly this is not what this device is for
2) attaching something to the POB to keep them alongside. We have a throw line always ready (if you go back to Ep2 you will see the advice from Andy, a sailor with 200,000nm sailing was that this is the bit of kit most likely to be used) However you are relying on the POB to be able to take this line and attach it to themselves which may not be the situation. With the POB net you have the possibility of throwing the net over them without ever having to get a line on them. I’m not saying that will be possible in all cases of course but it gives you a chance at least. I don’t know of any other bit of kit that would give you that chance. If the seas are bad enough that a having a line on is the only way then so be it, but that’s the same no matter what method you have for lifting. So getting the line on would be the most risky thing in this operation and as I said in the video it may even involve a crew member going into the water wearing a harness. As I also said this should be made much easier for the crew going in knowing all they have to do is attach the line to hold the POB, this is a much easier job than attaching a harness which would be able to lift the casualty. That’s the beauty of the POB net, it’s a lifting device that doesn’t have to be physically attached the the POB, it’s completely separate and crucially it’s designed to be stored on the guard rail so it’s always ready to be deployed with everything you need. In fact I’m going to find a way to store my throw line with it (in fact there’s a note for the manufacturers, having made such a good lifting device maybe you could design a good throw line that stored in such a way that it won’t get tangled, I’ve yet to find a really good one)
3) the actual lifting. Well I think we can all see what a good job this device does of that. We have really good life jackets with a built in harness that in theory you could clip a line to and haul someone out of the water with, but I certainly wouldn’t want to test it and would almost guarantee the crutch strap would break and you would fall out the bottom. And what about when you are not wearing a life jacket ie the vast majority of the time! So the only other way I know of to lift someone is attaching a proper lifting harness, maybe it’s my ignorance, you seem very certain there are better ways so please share the details if this excellent lifting harness that can be simply attached and lift a body onboard more safely and quicker that the POB net, we are all waiting to hear.
Also please explain the ‘conflict of interest’ with the manufacturer. I have the device from them for testing, they have no control about what I find and report of course, they have to trust I will give a fair review which we always do. I did have high hopes for the device, I wouldn’t have tested it if I didn’t as I don’t like giving bad reports it’s just a waste of everyones time. I can usually gauge equipment reasonably well however and the truth of it is that it performed better than my expectations. I really can’t see why that is a conflict of interest for the manufacturer. Please explain.
Hi this is over clamour I see piece of kit let me see yopu do this in force 8 winds and swell of 5 m … I afraid its not going to work ……. I asked the same question to the manufactures and their response was .. you wont be sailing in those conditions ….. used to be a good channel ……Turing into paid advertising which is wrong …..
It’s not paid advertising and there’s no chance that the manufacturer said people don’t sail in those conditions. As for making it work in a force 8 I agree that would be a massive challenge, but is there something better in those conditions? If there is just tell us about it we would all love to know. This bit of kit is replacing an old harness that was on the boat that stood very little chance of working even in favourable conditions. If I were faced with a POB in a storm I would be very very glad to have this aboard just to give me a fighting chance of retrieval.
In storm conditions described it'll be seriously difficult to recover anyone using any device! I would have thought that this presents one of the better opportunities assuming one could manoeuvre the boat alongside the casualty.
Sorry but this is really junk that costs a lot of money. When is someone going overboard? In bad weather and high seas. Then this crap doesn't work!
Clever marketing plan to get you guys on board though.
Let’s get one thing straight, we are not involved in the marketing of this product. I contacted them after seeing a demo on FaceBook and thinking it looked very good. It is and had exceeded my expectations by some margin, if it hadn’t I would have said so.
I’m getting very fed up with people on here thinking it’s okay to slag something off just for the sake of it and give no explanation or knowledge of a better way. I’m guessing you have no idea about a better way and have never even set eyes on this bit of kit. I would love you to prove me wrong and offer up some knowledge, do you actually have any? Or is that comment the best you can do?
@@svfairisle Hello, first and foremost: I only saw your comment today and it is certainly not my intention to insult or attack you. But this thing really only works in optimal conditions. Aboard a yacht there is only one option and that is a floating lifesling. There is no room for alternatives that may or may not be used or work. A yacht is not a lifeboat or a SAR helicopter.
@@MrBertHeylen Okay that’s interesting, can you explain your thinking on that? If you saw the episode that came out just before I made the POB Net review video I showed the lifesling that I have on the transom of Fair Isle. I have taken it off now as in my opinion it’s redundant. Why do you think the lifesling is a good option? If the POB is in a good enough position to take the lifesling and fit it as well as taking the halyard and fitting that then chances are they are in a good enough condition to climb the boarding ladder. If the POB is incapacitated so cannot do those things then you’ve got to have someone in the water to fit the sling and halyard. It’s true that even with the POB Net you may have to put someone in the water in order to get a line on them so they can be kept alongside but you are literally just getting a rope around them to hold them not fitting something to lift them. And that’s the other point, have you ever tried to life someone with a lifesling? Basically just a float that’s under their arms. I’m curious because I haven’t, and the reason I haven’t is that I would be loathed to practice with it as it seems to me there a very big chance of hurting the person you are trying to lift even in the very calm conditions I tested the Net in. What’s to keep a person slipping out of the loop or getting smashed against the side of the boat, or more likely both with the sling?
Hey again.
The point is : simplicity. If you have someone overboard, the response must be quick and as easy as possible. By the way, in a brisk seaway you lose eye contact very quickly. And it's virtually impossible to safely approach a drowning person to get them into this thing.
The most crucial thing is to get a connection between the ship and the drowning person as quickly as possible. Even if it's with a long rope and a fender. Circle the drowning person and then you can look further at what needs to be done. And time plays a very big role in this, especially in water less than 20°C. All things this is not made for. Nor, for that matter, is it approved as a legal lifesaver.
If you have it on board now, ok . But don't rate it as a substitute lifesaver. I would keep the livesling in place anyway.
And that's my point then. The video gives the impression that it is a miracle replacement device. And it isn't. And it would be very unfortunate if that led to misjudgments by people following the channel. Again, no reproach to you, everyone makes an error of judgment and I'm afraid this is one in your otherwise very beautiful and interesting UA-cam channel. So please don't take this as harsh criticism, but as heartfelt comments.
Kind regards,
Bert