The World's Best Rotary Mixers - Tested at Ministry of Sound
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- Опубліковано 24 лис 2014
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We headed down to Ministry Of Sound ahead of their "A Night In Paradise" in conjunction with the Legendary Paradise Garage to test which of the classic rotary mixers would be used for the event on the 30th of November.
Official Paradise Garage HIV fundraiser at Ministry of Sound dedicated to the memory of Larry Levan and Mel Cheren, the Godfather of Disco
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On the 30th of November, coinciding with World AIDS Day, A Night in Paradise will bring the spirit of The Garage to London for the first time. Making its home in the very place that it famously inspired over twenty-five years ago - The Ministry of Sound. Showcasing Levan's seminal soundtrack, and the music it has since inspired, this event also aims to raise £20,000 to support two of the world’s first and leading HIV charities; New York’s Gay Men’s Health Crisis or GMHC and the UK’s Terrence Higgins Trust, with all profits from the event being split equally between the two organisations.
Line Up
The Box
Paradise Garage
1977 - 1987
Danny Krivit
Joey Llanos
David DePino
Victor Rosado
PA - Jocelyn Brown
103
Ministry of Sound
The First Ten Years
Kenny Carpenter
Justin Berkmann
Ricky Morrison
Frankie Foncett
David Piccioni
PA - Bryan Chambers
Baby Box
Handsome
Disco/Hi NRG/House
Horse Meat Disco
The Reflex
Jeffrey Hinton
Fidel
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The fact they’re testing these beautiful machines with CDJs is painful.
Great video - you can't knock the classics
Didn't they really only test these because the booked DJs wanted old-style rotary 19" mixers?
SPECIAL NOTE: I would love to provide the BOZAK
CMA 10-2DL that I own as a part of the comparison. It is not beat up from use,
because it was pulled out of a non-club installation. The potentiometers still
the factory installed stiffness in them.
I'm still loving my PM80. After all of these years it still sounds amazing.
I remember back in 1996 or thereabouts, MOS had a full page ad on the back of DJ mag, showcasing month by month the gear they had installed that made the place special. I seem to recall they did the technics one month, then the BSS omnidrive processor, then they did one dedicated to the fact that they had a Urei installed. "The price? Well first you'll have to find one..."
THANK YOU for this! Even through your camera, UA-cam & my headphones the feeling of the sound at the end was special. Adds dimensions to a record. My dream is to one day be able to afford one.
Loved this - thanks for posting..
As Justin says, music source on the test were CD's /Line inputs, That means that in the PHONO area, the results may vary, Alpha have precise and amazing manufacture no doubt. =)
Good info! I have one of the 3 and was trying to find one of the others.
Love Rotary, Still Rocking My DJM-800 Rotary (Yes I know It's not the on the same level as some of these mixers but still solid)
Why didn't they test the mixers with turntables????
Using turntables wouldn't be a controlled situation. Each play will sound worse than the last, and the mixer with the most and best bass will tend to feed back more into the turntable.
Cuz the djs were not going to play records.
Why was the ARS tested with two EQ's rigged up?
Next time, please use the Bozak in place of the Urei to represent the USA. Cheers!
Very professional to keep those mixers on the CDJ’s :)))
the finest rotary analogue machines of all times tested with a CD ?!!! ....sorry but...
exactly. stopped caring after that.
Assuming the files are high quality and not compressed to shit data-wise or dynamically, digital is capable of much higher performance. Using line inputs also eliminates the phono sections' differences influencing the evaluation. Each time you play a record it also degrades the record, so the fifth play is not going to sound as good as the first play even on the exact same gear. You can always use outboard phono stages, anyway.
Cd’s are fine, way higher fidelity than testing them on a vinyl
Frankie Knuckles used CDJs so that’s good enough for me.
wish we could get a stream or something of the night
Me & my boys tested an original fully restored Urei, original fully restored Bozak & brand new V6 on a real nice analog club system in Glasgow a few years back. All vinyl, original disco 12's, modern house records etc. Audio Technica ATP-2XN or Grado dj200 carts/ styli (can't quite remember). Bozak was best by some way, Urei sounded betta than V6. Everyone (all 5 peeps) was agreed on this. Results were pretty clear cut. Be nice to check out the Alpha Sound. Once u go Bozak u don't go back...
the key is compare the alpha with does 2.
Were you using the same outboard phono preamps?
Interesting, because I have two new old stock original Bozaks and have compared the Urei to a Rane. I liked the Rane better than Urei which seems a little overhyped.
no vestax R-3?? best mixer I've ever heard in 30 years of dj'ing
Justin feel good to see you ...
i love my vestax r-3 sound quality is EXCELLENT !!!!!!!!
Was the Xone the S6 or the V6? The V6 has the valve tubes in it and I’ve heard when it warms up so does the sound!!!!!
Nice to see video of Justin after hearing his mix on the MOS five disc set. Great DJ. But take this test with a grain of salt. When you're using CDJs as your reference -- that's like playing on an away pitch for the Urei!
I bought an ARS and the sound is incredible. I compared it the the 1620 and true, the ARS sounds much better.
I'm told the urei mos has is the same one larry played on , regardless of sound I'd think they would wanna play on that for nostalgia
If you were using CDJ 5 years ago for this event, a DJM-800 or DJM-1000 with the rotary kit and the CDJs connected digitally to the mixer would have sounded at least as good and possibly better than any of these analog mixers... granted the DJM-800 greatly benefits from a better outboard DAC (DBX or DCX even work fine, etc), but the DJM-1000 has a nice dual BB DAC system with each run in balanced mode. The 900 also has a nice DAC on it and there's an aftermarket rotary kit for it.
The Xone DB4 was already out by this time and the update from 2012 added a rotary mode... arguably the best sound in a rotary-capable mixer you were going to find in 2012, particularly for digital sources.
MP2015 would come out the year after this, which went up a notch in terms of punch, clarity, crispness, and freakish upper midrange detail over anything that'd come before, if perhaps not quite the lushness of the DB4, the Xone's extensive options or effects, and the odd fact the Rane channels are fixed as 2nd order L-R isos with a bit of group delay and not EQs.
If you want lush, though, and don't mind the channel isos' phase issues, the Denon X1700 in 96khz resampling mode is really the musical lush monster to beat... but alas, that is still only fader without extensive modification.
SOOOOOO . . . . .what you're telling a person like me, that plays on Thorens TD 125 mk ii's is i need the Urei 1620!!! That's all you're TELLIN ME , cause after going to Club Zanzibar and The Paradise Garage ! ! ! In my early to mid 20's!!!... I'm absolutely a slave to those sounds of that day. . . . . . I STILL . . . . .TO THIS VERY DAY . . . .have been carrying all the classic sounds, smells , tunes, women (one man dressed as a woman). . . .put it like this : WHILE LISTENING TO MUSIC AT HOME IN HEADPHONES and NO ONE ELSE TO BOTHER ME???? WHEN I CLOSE MY EYES . . .AND LISTEN . . . . .I CAN STILL HEAR AND FEEL THE FUCKIN POWER OF THOSE 2 ROOMS. . . . .and i feel so good knowing those memories will never leave me . . .i'm gonna take them ...to ...the ...bloody end ,do you hear me??! HOUSE MUSIC ALL NIGHT LONG!!!!
would have loved to know what they think about the DRJ 400 or DJR 100 D, compared to those, since it was for me the best to listen to and to play on but also the only pure analog rotary i've listened to.
I use the E&S400 and the ARS9000 - really like both...
how does they compare to my ears: E&S is a beautiful elegant ALPHA Spider - the ARS is a Ferrari Daytona SP3
Why the hell would you use CDJs for the testing!?
djvartan agreed!!!!
it's all about the phono cards...wtf?
totally agree...these mixers are to get the best out of turntables...
he completely lost me there
A Paradise Garage party celebrating CDJ’s? Makes total sense. 🤦🏻♀️😅
no one has the records
Nice sick job MOS! Try to catch reneissance disco-house train (with Larry Levan) only for money... where have you been in the last 15 years?
Hopefully not listening to dry ass EDM!
Nathan Lee do a cover of John davis Orchestra ,in 2003 I remember ( forever ):)...why not testing a good old Dj Skull or Dj Rush no?
Sorry guys...I don't change my CMA10 2DL and my SL1200 mkII for nothing in this world!
late to see this but still relevant. i have the CMA-10 2DLA (modded by Buzzy Beck to have booth out) I've wanted to replace it with something new but can't replace that warm, fat tuby sound!! Leaving well enough alone!
While I am not a pro like Justin Berkman and co, I really DO appreciate a great sound system and the MOS is the best (hands down). I can only beg all existing DJs, promoters and club owners to maintain and continue to invest into a good sound system. After all THA MUZAAKH is the most important single ingredient of a memorable and great night out. The company should come 2nd and the booze third! Not the other way round.
seems pretty subjective, which is fine (was it a blind test as well?), but not a definitive way of measuring accuracy of the mixer's output... i would assume measuring the wave forms coming out of a mixer and comparing it to the forms going in would be the definitive way? Thoughts?
yes.
It’s a good idea in theory, but what running waves through discounts is the desirable characteristics some mixers imbue to various musics, that wouldn’t necessarily translate to raw waves intended to gauge accuracy.
interesting and very fair comparison.
Would a Formula sound system 2000 get anywhere if it was mixer number 4?
I would've liked to see E&S in the scuffle .
I have died and went to heaven, kind of partial to the A&H must be because of the design. Would love to have one.
youll break your cdjs resting the mixers on them
They apparently have rigid plastic covers on all the CDJs.
I think he was promoting the first one
Now lets test it against the RANE MP2015!
I compared a Rane 2016 with a Urei some years ago, and preferred the Rane!
NOW that the BOZAK AR-6 is available, how about doing the 2016 version of the "THE WORLD's BEST ROTARY MIXERS" to include it? And just for the fun of it include the UREI 1620LE by Soundcraft and the CREST AUDIO CP 6210 (with Expander).
And one of the Ranes?!
would the Rane mp2016S + xp2016S be a contender?
Definitely some believe it wouldn’t. I have mint Bozaks and once compared a Rane 2016 with a Urei 1620..I liked the Rane better!
I identified the problem of storing information there.
How old is the ARS, in fact how old is the Allen Heath, are they not relatively recently made mixers (compared to the 40+ year old Urei)? Just asking ;-)
Yes, but so what? They were simply comparing 3 of the widely used mixers on the high end that they use and like.
@@hardcorehouse Because the caps, diodes, and resistors age. The ARS was probably hot off the factory floor. A recapped Urei may have performed better.
Utter bilge! The damn (original) things were designed for phono so they chuck line through them. MOStupidness
What about the Rane MP2016?
***** any thoughts on Le vs orig. 1620 for line sources?
I'm surprised they didn't add the DJR-400 or the new Bozak AR-6
as honorable mentions.
I used to play on the MP2016 and always felt it has no dynamics. The conception is nice but the sound has nothing to do with the three mixers of the video. I planned on getting an ARS too
i agree i would have loved to see how it held up - but i'm more curious about actual wave forms, everything else is opinion. throw a wave form in and compare it coming out. The most accurate mixer is just that THE MOST ACCURATE. Everything else is purely opinion based, and audiofile's opinions are usually bigger than reality (case and point: gizmodo.com/363154/audiophile-deathmatch-monster-cables-vs-a-coat-hanger)
I think the Rane is horrible. Not talking trash, I have used it at several venues and it always sounds week and feels awkward.
Me Playing mp3’s with this machine 😎
Anyone selling a Bozak CMA ?
Please the name of the Song ?
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This test is legit especially coming from Freddy Krueger!
check Facebook page Alpha Recording System Europe for info
I was so tempted to purchase this mixer for 24k when I won some money playing scratchy lotto, but my wife. Convinced me we needed a new vehicle 4 years on and the cars been traded always regretted not getting it, it would have been my dream mixer ahhhh well 😂
Wow,24k!?
I was there last night and the high ends were too harsh on the alpha.
+djlarneyp1 there are so many reasons the high ends could sound harsh that have nothing to do with the construction of the mixer, what makes you so sure it is?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok here i go and this is just my humble opion on this matter. first i would like to say ive played on every mixer mention here except the new rane but if it is anything like the othere one well ill get to that in a few. my list is like this 1 the allen and heath for this reason it just have everything on it that a dj would need plus it sounds realy good.2 the urie the old ones are way better then the new ones. the knock i have against the new one is the first 2 channels are a waste if your not useing turntables. 3 the older bozak they sound so good but they have no booth out but hey there are way to get around that. the new bazak they feel cheap and like they just pushed them out there to keep up with the othere companies.3 the rane and the only reason for this over the asr is because a very close friend of mine have a asr and with today sound systems it just dont sound good on them plus he always is got some type of problem with it. but the rane it distorts out on you if you go pasr 7 and also the output always get shorts on them. the crest iam glad they took that off the market that was a joke.and the same thing goes for vestax.oh let me make a correction here the mixer from japane i never played on that on. but like what master hak and whats good hak from jersey i would love to see pioneer come out with on hey look at what they are doing with there othere products. they have the dj in mind all the time. this is just my humble opion thats all.
This makes sense to me. I have 2 new old stock vintage Bozaks, and it seems to me that only the Allen and Heath compares given the tube nature that I assume you have. I’ve compared a Urei to a Rane, liking the Rane better just in terms of sound not the output you mentioned. If you get a chance, try the Japanese mixer and any others on the high end and let us know?
sounds like a enty level behringer :D
No formula sound ff 6000, no vestax pmc CX or R3... No E&S... week comparison...
dont forget condesa,foundation and hi level pm5000 ...
5,6,4 if you mind
@@deepace A DJM-800/1000/900 with the CDJs connected digitally to the mixer would have demolished all of them, and even more so if they went digitally from the mixer too into the MOS house DSP. There are also rotary kits for those mixers.
@@Reticuli hahahaha hahaha *gasps for air* hahaha hahaha.
@@OmarNachtraaf Yep. And if you don't care about rotary kits, even the lowly PPD 9000 would destroy those analog mixers. The best sound for CDJs, though, would come from either the new Rane or one of the full digital in-out Denon mixers set to 44.1khz sampling rate since most the DJs are using that rate of files anyway. If you don't believe me, try it yourself. The old Denon is so good even its 96khz upsampling sounds like something from an audiophile company. The best digital stuff sounds even better than passive analog mixers, and none of the mixers MOS looked at were even passive.
You guys forgot Rane empath rotary / Allen & Heath Xone 92 rotary and a Vestax Mixers..
Surely you're kidding.
depend on the budget and price range x quality - no, im not kidding....This xoneV6 on video was about more than 3.000US$ (even more).....so......but between 1.000 x 1500.....
+ACCOUNTANTB I use a xone 92 all the time but even with the rotary kit it's not a V6, not in the same league. That ARS setup is almost US$5k and you want to compare it to an old Empath? That's kind of silly.
yes - shure..its like compare an a Audi and wolks.......im using stanton vrm-10 with upgraded faders and crossfader to penny and giles faders.... i made it myself.....its sound lovelly.....but i with heavin those rane rotary with that filters external module.....i wont get more than this....im colecting ond vintage gear...and i restore them myself....like old Marantz stuff....im from Brazil...old dj here....older and retired as djing..hahahah
I think the only Rane product that would've made sense to include when this video was made is the MP2016/XP2016.
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While all were excellent rotary traditional DJ mixers, the Bozak CMA10 2DL will still beat any of these modern-day mixers. The warmth of the Bozaak low/mids can't be duplicated, not with CDJs or even turntables. Bokak is it. Haven't heard anything even remotely close, except Allen & Heath's XONE mixer
What are you feeding into the Bozak if you're not using digital media players or turntables?
Reticuli turntables
Don't like rotary mixers got border
No Bozak. No Rane 2016. Bullshit.
See the date on this vid? the rane wasnt even out yet
You're thinking of the 2015.
This is a frikkin joke!!! Just old men wanting to be young again playing with knobs! Using CDj's instead of turntables. No wonder you got shit signals through those old mixes. Mixing apples with oranges. These guys aren't real DJ's. They are just playing a game console with the cdj's while using the sync button!!!
Those mixers work well with turntables!