For those who don't know, Talladega Superspeedway is currently the only permanent oval race track in the world with a bank angle steeper than 32 degrees that still sees active car competition to this day. While other tracks such as Monza are steeper, their oval layouts are no longer in use or the track as a whole has been abandoned.
For even more perspective. The banking on the zandvoort circuit in the netherlands is only 18 degrees. And ive driven on that myself and it already felt like driving up a wall. So imagine what talladega is like being almost twice as steep.
@@stijnpaspontAs a drunk race fan I’ve been to Talladega a few hundred times. You grab the plastic top off your Igloo cooler and use it to sled down the banking. Bring a first aid kit. You just about need a rope to assist you up them they are that steep. Daytonas the same.
Winchester Speedway in Indiana actually has banking even higher than Talladega, at a current 37 degrees, though before it was paved, the banking supposedly got as high as 45 degrees.
For further perspective, elevation at the bottom of turn 1-2/3-4 is 26ft below the top of the turn. The track is only 48ft wide. The banking is insane.
@@thethirdman225 thats the PR number, The car had a Peugeot engine and Peugeot was about to release the new Peugeot 405 so they agreed to lower to number to 405 kmh so it could be used in marketing and stuff. the actual speed they went was 407kmh. they might have even gone faster in the practise sessions but the radar gun the ACO was using was acting up so we'll never know.
same, I mention that audi's story was just the beginning but come to think of it, the porsche penske bond was created with the 917/30 and still lasts to this day with the LMDh car.
Talladega used to have a road course configuration that was used to host races from 1969-1989. Today the road course is still there, but the connection from the speedway to the road course is gone.
I never knew about the Audi attempt. I do wonder, if NASCAR didn’t have the ban on foreign makes, if Audi would have had an entry in that time period, given they were doing all sorts of stuff in America.
Did NASCAR actually have a ban, or was there just no one who met the homologation rules? I can see why NASCAR didn't want to be like IMSA with lots of types of engines and a ridiculous number of rules to try to make them all work.
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453Don't think there was a ban per se, since in the very early days of NASCAR you'd find just about everything competing, Jaguar of all makes even has a NASCAR race win to their credit. But by the 1960s it just consolidated itself to all teams running big displacement American V8s for competitiveness. By the 1980s the Gen 3 Cup cars were basically spec chassis with a 358ci OHV engine and "stock" body templates. Audi would have never attempted to compete in NASCAR as they were all about demonstrating the performance of their homegrown I5 Turbo and quattro combination anyway. Its an interesting idea, the aerodynamic Audi 100 and Mercedes W124 bodyshells might have made for some very competitive machinery
@@mrspandel5737 That's what I thought, that it was largely lack of a suitable engine that kept foreign marques out. It would have been interesting to see foreign marques enter back in the day. I'd add the Toyota Soarer and Nissan Leopard as potential entries. Paul Newman can drive one of the Nissans.
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 "Lack of a suitable engine". That's one way to put it. Another is "no one else still builds engines that are that far behind modern designs".
Umm slight correction at 4:41 ... Dega is bigger than a 2.5 mile track (that's Daytona's length) Talladega is 2.667 miles in length. 500 mile races at Daytona are 200 laps. At Talledega it's only 188 laps. The mph & kph records are likely correct. Woops somebody already posted this, but I didn't read ALL the comments.
There is no Avus Ring in Hockenheim. There is the AVUS, pretty much a highway that was build for test and racing purposes, which is/was located in Berlin and there is the Hockenheimring in Hockenheim in the south of Germany.
@@stijnpaspont But at the first attempt I didn't get the "AND" at 1:08 Min. too. I only recognized that you differentiate between the "Avus Ring" and the "Hockenheim Ring" after some more sentences.
Again a great video, maybe to mention is that both cars we're projects of Dr. Ferdinand Piëch, not primarily the record runs but the cars themselves :) Btw where did you find the '86 Pikes Peak footage? Keep up the good work!
Great choice my friend on this subject as i wanting to know how brutal porsche and audi where in doing speed runs was nothing more then flexing german muscle anyway thanks for the video and have nice weekend bye now. P.S Hey Stijn Paspont i noticed at 8:34 mark the infamous mazda fc hill climber who history need to be told my friend 😊😊.
@@jackcphelps that's also an honest mistake. i even have it in the script as "king of the mountain". yet i still said "king of the hill". i guess its cause the latter is a more common sentence. its just hardwired into my brain like that.
I always wonder.... How fast would a modern IndyCar be able to lap Talladega? I don't mean a race, God no, that's just ridiculous, but just set a lap. Because I mean.... If they can do 230+ mph on Indianapolis, which is not exactly the best track for sheer high speed numbers, how fast would it go on Talladega? I dare say 240, perhaps even close to 250 mph. Then again, I perfectly understand why it has never been and likely will never be tried. Probably one of the few things I really think an autonomous car would be great for just trying out things that are just far too dangerous for any human being to try.
Probably not much faster than Indy. They’re already wide open around Indy and have basically minimal downforce. Even at Indy the turns drag them down a bit. So, unless they turn up the power, or reduce the drag they’re already basically at the top speed the car can go.
Current IndyCars are limited by budget reasons. The former CART was faster. The fastest lap ever in a closed track was set by Gil de Ferrán in 2000, at Fontana, and is 241 mph and change.
Whenever I look around at the cars on the road you just don’t see many Audi’s. I’ve lived in suburban Atlanta, Miami and in my travels. It’s a fantastic, top tier quality car but Americans never got the email I guess. Last few years I’ve mentally noted the amount of Tesla’s in Fort Lauderdale. They are EVERYWHERE!
Audis are great, until stuff starts breaking. They’re difficult and expensive to work on. Packaging is very tight and often requires a lot of disassembly to do things that should be pretty simple.
What didn't help is that Audi never thought their performance line would sell in the U.S. (not sure why). We didn't start getting RS variants until the 2000's and then we never got all of the RS's.
Dont know where u are lookin in ATL...but there are plenty of Audis...they stick out like sore thumbs because Audi drivers as a whole...are some of the worst drivers out there. They seem entitled to every dumb driving move they make.
@@JK-g62 Tell me how that works? Does your DNA form your personality traits or the car you drive? See how dumb your comment is? You could have worded it differently but you chose the words, structured a sentence and verbalized it. You made yourself look like you are knowledgeable but you are scientifically dead wrong. Words matter. Do better.
F1 is not optimized for top straight line speed but for turn speed. Today's F1 cars have horrible drag coefficients but they turn faster than any other land vehicle.
that was impressive but it pales in comparison to todays NHRA 11,000 horsepower top fuel cars. they reach a top speed of 338+ MPH in 3.6 seconds, going only 1000 feet!!!
For those who don't know, Talladega Superspeedway is currently the only permanent oval race track in the world with a bank angle steeper than 32 degrees that still sees active car competition to this day. While other tracks such as Monza are steeper, their oval layouts are no longer in use or the track as a whole has been abandoned.
For even more perspective. The banking on the zandvoort circuit in the netherlands is only 18 degrees. And ive driven on that myself and it already felt like driving up a wall. So imagine what talladega is like being almost twice as steep.
@@stijnpaspontAs a drunk race fan I’ve been to Talladega a few hundred times.
You grab the plastic top off your Igloo cooler and use it to sled down the banking.
Bring a first aid kit.
You just about need a rope to assist you up them they are that steep. Daytonas the same.
Winchester Speedway in Indiana actually has banking even higher than Talladega, at a current 37 degrees, though before it was paved, the banking supposedly got as high as 45 degrees.
I believe that Slinger Speedway in Wisconsin is also 33 degrees
For further perspective, elevation at the bottom of turn 1-2/3-4 is 26ft below the top of the turn. The track is only 48ft wide. The banking is insane.
Rip Bobby Unser, he passed like 2 years ago at 81 years old. Was a racing legend.🔥🔥🔥
they actually had to call him up to coach walter rohrl on how to drive up pikes peak. imagine that. a WRC champion needing a driving lesson
@@stijnpaspont shows the skill and respect Bobby had in his craft. Thats awesome I didn't know.
Too bad he never raced Michelle Mouton back down the mountain.
Guy Martin went to his house before he raced his bike. Bobby got mad because Guy wasn't ass kissing.
@@stijnpaspontvery interesting but i remember hearing the Unser family "owned" that mountain.
Mark Donohue was a different breed of driver that's sadly lost today in most forms of motorsport today
exactly, a jack of all trades
0:50 405 km/h, not 407.
@@thethirdman225 thats the PR number, The car had a Peugeot engine and Peugeot was about to release the new Peugeot 405 so they agreed to lower to number to 405 kmh so it could be used in marketing and stuff. the actual speed they went was 407kmh. they might have even gone faster in the practise sessions but the radar gun the ACO was using was acting up so we'll never know.
@@thethirdman225 I literally visited the Le Mans museum today and the description plate of the WM said it was 407. The ACO is wrong now?
@@RukaGoldheart The ACO owns and operates the speed trap. They also publish the figures each year, which is where I got the 405 figure.
I always find Porsche/Audi's story in the US motorsport scene fascinating.
same, I mention that audi's story was just the beginning but come to think of it, the porsche penske bond was created with the 917/30 and still lasts to this day with the LMDh car.
@@stijnpaspontyes...the 917/30 was world altering...and ended up killing the CanAm series.
Great storytelling & calming voice 😊 Keep 'em coming!
good video quality and awesome motorsport facts, keep up the good work!
Thanks!
"Bobby, you have set several new speed and distance records!'
'YIPPPEEEE!" 🤠😎
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You are one of my new fav channels
excellent video- was aware of the Porsche but never knew about the Audi. Was great to see!
Talladega used to have a road course configuration that was used to host races from 1969-1989. Today the road course is still there, but the connection from the speedway to the road course is gone.
Nice video, didn't know audi went on Talladega ❤
Thanks! Well, now you do!
@@stijnpaspont :Ddd
good video quality and awesome motorsport facts, keep up the good work!. Great storytelling & calming voice Keep 'em coming!.
Mark Donahue and the Porsche 917. My favorite driver and car of all time!!
This is such a great channel. Great video as always. Thank you Mr Stijn.
Underrated channel
Wonderful video once again
thank you!
I never knew about the Audi attempt. I do wonder, if NASCAR didn’t have the ban on foreign makes, if Audi would have had an entry in that time period, given they were doing all sorts of stuff in America.
Did NASCAR actually have a ban, or was there just no one who met the homologation rules? I can see why NASCAR didn't want to be like IMSA with lots of types of engines and a ridiculous number of rules to try to make them all work.
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453Don't think there was a ban per se, since in the very early days of NASCAR you'd find just about everything competing, Jaguar of all makes even has a NASCAR race win to their credit. But by the 1960s it just consolidated itself to all teams running big displacement American V8s for competitiveness. By the 1980s the Gen 3 Cup cars were basically spec chassis with a 358ci OHV engine and "stock" body templates. Audi would have never attempted to compete in NASCAR as they were all about demonstrating the performance of their homegrown I5 Turbo and quattro combination anyway.
Its an interesting idea, the aerodynamic Audi 100 and Mercedes W124 bodyshells might have made for some very competitive machinery
@@mrspandel5737 That's what I thought, that it was largely lack of a suitable engine that kept foreign marques out.
It would have been interesting to see foreign marques enter back in the day. I'd add the Toyota Soarer and Nissan Leopard as potential entries.
Paul Newman can drive one of the Nissans.
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 "Lack of a suitable engine". That's one way to put it. Another is "no one else still builds engines that are that far behind modern designs".
@@gomezgomezian3236 another suggestion: "No one builds crate engines American style except for Americans"
Umm slight correction at 4:41 ... Dega is bigger than a 2.5 mile track (that's Daytona's length) Talladega is 2.667 miles in length. 500 mile races at Daytona are 200 laps. At Talledega it's only 188 laps. The mph & kph records are likely correct. Woops somebody already posted this, but I didn't read ALL the comments.
Yup. Someone else pointed that out earlier. I legit said the daytona number instead of the talladega number. Honest mistake.
Talladega is 2.66 miles long with 33 degree banking compared to Daytona at 2.5 miles with 31 degree banking.
There is no Avus Ring in Hockenheim. There is the AVUS, pretty much a highway that was build for test and racing purposes, which is/was located in Berlin and there is the Hockenheimring in Hockenheim in the south of Germany.
I know that. Thats why i said "the avus ring AND hockenheim in germany"
@@stijnpaspont But at the first attempt I didn't get the "AND" at 1:08 Min. too. I only recognized that you differentiate between the "Avus Ring" and the "Hockenheim Ring" after some more sentences.
Again a great video, maybe to mention is that both cars we're projects of Dr. Ferdinand Piëch, not primarily the record runs but the cars themselves :)
Btw where did you find the '86 Pikes Peak footage?
Keep up the good work!
Another great video!
thanks!
I could be mistaken. I think rusty Wallace took an un restricted nascar around there in 229 range? I think it was in the early to mid 2000s
I though Bill Elliot had that record...but maybe his was just a qualifying lap in 1987?
Great choice my friend on this subject as i wanting to know how brutal porsche and audi where in doing speed runs was nothing more then flexing german muscle anyway thanks for the video and have nice weekend bye now. P.S Hey Stijn Paspont i noticed at 8:34 mark the infamous mazda fc hill climber who history need to be told my friend 😊😊.
finally a vid bout 917/30, yessss
Never heard of Avus Ring. New video idea?
Rusty Wallace took off his restrictor plate at a test and hit 228 mph at Talladega.
Wow. Is that on average or down the backstraight?
@@stijnpaspont backstretch going into turn 1 I think. I forgot what year
@@lewiskemp5893 2004
What a cool video !
That Audi is so mean looking, love it!
4:43 Sorry to be nit-picky, the Track length isn't 2.5 miles long, that is Daytona, Talladega is 2.66 miles in length not 2.5.
the winner of pike's peak is the king of the mountain
yup, i most likely used the actual daytona number as i had that open in a tab as well.
@@jackcphelps that's also an honest mistake. i even have it in the script as "king of the mountain". yet i still said "king of the hill". i guess its cause the latter is a more common sentence. its just hardwired into my brain like that.
Healthy is over 600 Horses i see i see. That one was so cool! 6:51
I always wonder.... How fast would a modern IndyCar be able to lap Talladega? I don't mean a race, God no, that's just ridiculous, but just set a lap. Because I mean.... If they can do 230+ mph on Indianapolis, which is not exactly the best track for sheer high speed numbers, how fast would it go on Talladega? I dare say 240, perhaps even close to 250 mph. Then again, I perfectly understand why it has never been and likely will never be tried. Probably one of the few things I really think an autonomous car would be great for just trying out things that are just far too dangerous for any human being to try.
Probably not much faster than Indy. They’re already wide open around Indy and have basically minimal downforce. Even at Indy the turns drag them down a bit. So, unless they turn up the power, or reduce the drag they’re already basically at the top speed the car can go.
Current IndyCars are limited by budget reasons. The former CART was faster. The fastest lap ever in a closed track was set by Gil de Ferrán in 2000, at Fontana, and is 241 mph and change.
I remember when this was done.
I just want to know when Audi will race in NASCAR?
Well they scrapped the le mans hypercar in favor of F1. So the chances of them getting into nascar is about 0.0001%
@@stijnpaspontid say its less than that 😂
Never. They are focused on the European market which doesn't care for NASCAR.
Does anyone know the songs playing in the background?
buddy baker was the first over 200 there , in a nascar stock car
Wow
It’s very simple.
CAR GO VROOM
I’m happy
😁👍
Hey @audi you should enter nascar now :P
Whenever I look around at the cars on the road you just don’t see many Audi’s.
I’ve lived in suburban Atlanta, Miami and in my travels.
It’s a fantastic, top tier quality car but Americans never got the email I guess.
Last few years I’ve mentally noted the amount of Tesla’s in Fort Lauderdale. They are EVERYWHERE!
Audis are great, until stuff starts breaking. They’re difficult and expensive to work on. Packaging is very tight and often requires a lot of disassembly to do things that should be pretty simple.
What didn't help is that Audi never thought their performance line would sell in the U.S. (not sure why). We didn't start getting RS variants until the 2000's and then we never got all of the RS's.
Great idea! Why doesn't Tesla go set a new closed lap record? 😉
Dont know where u are lookin in ATL...but there are plenty of Audis...they stick out like sore thumbs because Audi drivers as a whole...are some of the worst drivers out there. They seem entitled to every dumb driving move they make.
@@JK-g62 Tell me how that works?
Does your DNA form your personality traits or the car you drive?
See how dumb your comment is?
You could have worded it differently but you chose the words, structured a sentence and verbalized it.
You made yourself look like you are knowledgeable but you are scientifically dead wrong.
Words matter.
Do better.
Would be cool to see what a V10 Formula 1 can pull off! The new Hybrid F1 Cars could also pull one but i am not shure about the Top Speed
Theres always gear ratios to adjust for top speed.
F1 is not optimized for top straight line speed but for turn speed. Today's F1 cars have horrible drag coefficients but they turn faster than any other land vehicle.
that was impressive but it pales in comparison to todays NHRA 11,000 horsepower top fuel cars. they reach a top speed of 338+ MPH in 3.6 seconds, going only 1000 feet!!!
Talladega is 2.66 miles (4.280 km), not 2.5 miles (4.023 km).
strange thumbnail...
i'm curious, why do you think that? genuine question. always up for feedback
@@stijnpaspontdon't worry, it's a good thumbnail ✌
Talladega is 2.66 miles long not 2.5 Daytona is 2.5
its ALL WHEEL DRIVE.... real 4wd (4x4) is RWD unless engaged in hi or low
sadly they pretended it was poland . . rous !! sadly the first gps in these cars only went east . .they just kept saying they needed more room . .