I bought a 2003 Cervelo P3 Alum. last year for $800. Upgraded/"modernized" the drivetrain, bars and optimized cabling for another $1000'ish. Steve Larsen did the Lake Placid bike course in 4:33 back in 2001 on a P3 on his way to a win. I may consider blowing $10K on a bike when I get down to that time.
I was lucky enough to get the new CF7 and it’s a really great bike! I’m not PRO and nowhere near breaking any sort of course records, so the bike is perfect! It’s got premium features which I think are more than enough for someone like me. I can always upgrade to di2 if needed, but at this point it’s still more than enough (and it looks even better in reality) 🙌
Im started in Tri and was looking for a new Tri Bike and saw de cf 7 with the 105 i was in love ! electric would be nice but hey i can upgrade in a few years:D
I had the cf ultegra di2 before this upgrade. Loved the bike but always hated the front end! Everyone with the same bike changed the stem face plate and added profile design aria hydration, or Radsport hydration (both identical to the new canyon one). Also cables coming out of the extension bars, and partially out of the base bar into the stem. It was minimal but enough to make it feel disappointing at the price. After 3years of trying to avoid it I just upgraded to the CFR in sparkle stealth….then this upgrade came out! Answering all my issues with the original CF! Absolutely love the cfr and rides amazing, but as you say I think if this upgrade would have come out before I changed I would have stuck with the CF
Nice one, yes all I see is people changing the cockpit which seems such a shame! I'm sure you're still having a great time on the CFR, can't kick yourself with what came out after you made the decision :)
I'm amazed you can describe a £4000 bike as budget. For me that was a major spend and meant I had to economise in other areas of my life to afford it. The purchase was only possible because the price point is just under the UK limit of £4000 for cycle to work. The dearer versions will never be within my price range. The budget model as been ridden to great effect and is heading to Kona in October.
Yes it's difficult to say isn't it. Me too, I built my TT bike up with second hand parts and it still owes me around that. The gains from the ones double the price will be small. Have a great trip!
Triathlon bikes are a small part of the market it makes sense to offer more value at the bottom of the range which probably has greater sales volume and is probably the most competitive segment
Yes Dan great video of comparison between these Canyon Triathlon bikes. I think making the 'budget' version better with adding the hydration system is a no brainer as its arguably very little extra work to add this bit of plastic into the front end - but will be markedly more aerodynamic than an aftermarket solution - one would assume. Not to mention the ridiculousness of a Triathlon bike these days that doesn't come with a hydration system. Bringing that price up ever so slightly to 5.25k and offering a much more race ready and complete Triathlon bike set up is a decent cry to solving the bike sale struggles these brands are apparently experiencing. I think this will meet a lot more people's budget and needs, thus increase sales for Canyon. But i must admit - this is just my opinion from the evidence available and i am no means an insider or have much knowledge in marketing at all 😂👍
I think the updated CF is a great bike for the money. The old front end is what put me off buying one, and I ended up buying a Handsling instead, the new cockpit transforms it. Sure, I could've bought the old version and upgraded the cockpit but I couldn't be bothered and went elsewhere. If I was buying again, I think I'd be really considering the 105 specced CF because there's nothing else out there with that spec, with a decent set of wheels, ready to ride straight out of the box for
I think in lots of cases, it comes down to availability, with size and colors playing a large part. Not wanting a purple bike, I waited a year for a CFR. Preferred a CF SLX for much better price point, just was never available.
If it sells like other +$10k bikes, they'll probably make a version with a cheaper carbon layup. Trek has done this for years. Triathlon is dying a bit and that's why they haven't done it with the speed concept yet. But they've done it with the previous gens...on top of the Madone.
I called customer service and they said this model would not be coming to the US.. meanwhile the cheapest canyon speed max we can get in the US is 12k.. come on Canyon I want the CF!!
Ordered SLX right before upgrade, while still in doubt whether slx frame have significant difference from CF model in performance. I'd be fine w/o intgrated whistles of SLX. What I can see is only fork little thiner and some weight penalty, while have great ZIPP Vuka axs extentions in CF. What is your thoughts?
I think it is trying to grab market share. Really it makes them the only Tri bike with integrated hydration and tool storage for under 4k in your pounds. Obviously it’s not that different from the profile design aria hydration but still damn good. I really want him the mid range is so close to the top of the range it’s crazy.
Yes I guess that could be true, just getting more of the brand out there at every price point. I think there's a big market of people who don't want to actually fiddle with the bikes, so it coming with the hydration already fitted is an easier sell
@@TriathlonDan I agree but where’s the fun in not fiddling. I would love to have in frame tool storage and hydration on my Tri bike. But I’m committed to her now. I rebuilt it twice now on Sram AXS 1X and re did the cockpit twice, fans after a bike fit with that Dan guy finnaly have it feeling good. Only in it about what the base speedmax would cost thanks to the wonders of Facebook marketplace place. I do think is smart to have done this rework. I would love the tier 2 speed max if I just had 8k burning a hole in my pocket though but then I’d be back fiddling with the fit and changes I wanted to make to it. You know it never ends. N+1 doesn’t stop at full bikes
The base model is a brilliant buy when you compare it to say the Cervelo P series 105 mechanical which is £3.6k. I think they’ve released this model as the old model hasn’t been available for 15 months + like you say is the etap slx version worth it at £8.4K ???Am sure for your average competitor over 180k the performance gains would be small!
There’s a couple of thoughts I have from this. That entry level bike is not an entry level price. I looked at buying the entry level version (previous version) and you can buy a third party hydration system which looks very similar to this new build. Once the cost was added with the hydration unit, it didn’t seem worth it. With this ‘new’ frame, They sell that extra accessory for 229. Why not just include it? These bikes are specific and meant for racing. a couple thousand more, you get a slightly better wheelset, an updated frame that does make a difference, better storage unit, and slick design. The internal storage In the frame was a selling point to me at the time since I was watching videos of people saying the entry level frame’e storage compartment made rattling noise. I’m also wondering if this update is being shown since there might be a brand new speed max in the higher end version. It’s been three years. Cool video man. I ride a 13 year old tri bike and I’m back on canyon’s site seeing if I should still get one.
Hi Dan, I just purchased the CF 7 AXS. Etap wireless and it was £5200. I guess I can put the new hydration system that’s coming out, onto this? A pic shows it with it. Hope so 😅 do you know when they are releasing the hydration system? Thanks
Nice one! I'm not sure if they'll sell it separately, but it would make sense as a nice little upgrade kit wouldn't it. A few comments have said that the hydration system is very similar to a Profile Design model, so it might be worth having a look at that :)
Thanks for the reply Dan. I’ve just had an email back saying it will fit this bike when released. They are waiting for the new system to be released!! Hope it comes before Roth 👌
@@TriathlonDanYou can only buy it separately. Rather misleadingly it does not come with the bike, I guess that is why they don’t show it on the main pic. You have to buy it as an add on and currently not due in stock until June and it’s 170 quid.
i am surprised you didn’t mention the aerobars/extensions on the new bike. that’s actually the part i find most frustrating about my CF SLX. they’re not great and you see almost everyone with these bikes in competition changing the front end. this has me wondering whether they’ll be changing that on the other two models this year maybe?
@@TriathlonDan it does seem crazy, right? i bought that bike thinking "this is the absolute best bike i can get for racing," but in fact it's a good starting point, and in order to be really competitive on that bike (or a bike like it), i think there's a lot of stuff you have to do to customize it to fit the rider. this wouldn't have made sense to me at the time, but it makes a lot of sense to me today. it's just frustrating because the bikes are indeed so very expensive.
Nice vid Dan. I think they updated the slx and cfr versions over the last year or so, and the cf was the next cab off the rank? They say they are democratising performance haha. I’m thinking of getting the 105 one as the electronic group set out of budget. What are your thoughts on the 105 cf at that price? Still seems a little much for a bike with 105 mechanical. Cheers
Cheers! Ahh did they, didn't spot that. Groupsets are getting cheaper and cheaper, I think you could buy the mechanical version and fit di2 for not much more after you've sold the mechanical groupset, but a bit of a faff! You'd only need the shifters, mechs & battery afterall. Shimano used to do an "upgrade kit" a few year ago
the current cf7 sl has been always not available in asia, n i bet the new cf7 will also be scarce in availability. n i agree, cf7 should have stayed being cheap(n if possible drop in price) rather than being updated n price up. Canyon should have went cheaper offerings as they have europe n asia distro to fight the market vs argon n cervelo p-series. i ended up building a china tri bike from scratch at half price instead(exclude labor as i assembled myself)
It’s crazy that in the US they don’t offer the new CF and only offer weird color CF SLX. I’m sorry purple or green I just can’t…. It’s clearly they just want to rip you off on the CFR. Oh actually even if youd like to be ripped off you can’t! Because of of them are out of stock 😂
Cool except Canyon is awful and never has any stock in the USA anyway so I moved on to other brands. I don’t plan to ever consider Canyon at this point.
I bought a 2003 Cervelo P3 Alum. last year for $800. Upgraded/"modernized" the drivetrain, bars and optimized cabling for another $1000'ish. Steve Larsen did the Lake Placid bike course in 4:33 back in 2001 on a P3 on his way to a win. I may consider blowing $10K on a bike when I get down to that time.
Love it! I rode a £1000 Planet X for years :)
I was lucky enough to get the new CF7 and it’s a really great bike! I’m not PRO and nowhere near breaking any sort of course records, so the bike is perfect! It’s got premium features which I think are more than enough for someone like me. I can always upgrade to di2 if needed, but at this point it’s still more than enough (and it looks even better in reality) 🙌
Nice one, it will be years and years before the frame is "out of date", it's very capable isn't it
Im started in Tri and was looking for a new Tri Bike and saw de cf 7 with the 105 i was in love ! electric would be nice but hey i can upgrade in a few years:D
Good choice!
I had the cf ultegra di2 before this upgrade. Loved the bike but always hated the front end! Everyone with the same bike changed the stem face plate and added profile design aria hydration, or Radsport hydration (both identical to the new canyon one). Also cables coming out of the extension bars, and partially out of the base bar into the stem. It was minimal but enough to make it feel disappointing at the price.
After 3years of trying to avoid it I just upgraded to the CFR in sparkle stealth….then this upgrade came out! Answering all my issues with the original CF!
Absolutely love the cfr and rides amazing, but as you say I think if this upgrade would have come out before I changed I would have stuck with the CF
Nice one, yes all I see is people changing the cockpit which seems such a shame! I'm sure you're still having a great time on the CFR, can't kick yourself with what came out after you made the decision :)
I'm amazed you can describe a £4000 bike as budget. For me that was a major spend and meant I had to economise in other areas of my life to afford it. The purchase was only possible because the price point is just under the UK limit of £4000 for cycle to work. The dearer versions will never be within my price range. The budget model as been ridden to great effect and is heading to Kona in October.
Yes it's difficult to say isn't it. Me too, I built my TT bike up with second hand parts and it still owes me around that. The gains from the ones double the price will be small. Have a great trip!
Congrats and have a good Race ! Most important thing is having fun in the Sport:)
it explains why i am seeing so many last gen models for sale on the forms now.
Yes I’m keeping an eye on those too haha!
Triathlon bikes are a small part of the market it makes sense to offer more value at the bottom of the range which probably has greater sales volume and is probably the most competitive segment
Great shout!
Yes Dan great video of comparison between these Canyon Triathlon bikes. I think making the 'budget' version better with adding the hydration system is a no brainer as its arguably very little extra work to add this bit of plastic into the front end - but will be markedly more aerodynamic than an aftermarket solution - one would assume. Not to mention the ridiculousness of a Triathlon bike these days that doesn't come with a hydration system.
Bringing that price up ever so slightly to 5.25k and offering a much more race ready and complete Triathlon bike set up is a decent cry to solving the bike sale struggles these brands are apparently experiencing. I think this will meet a lot more people's budget and needs, thus increase sales for Canyon.
But i must admit - this is just my opinion from the evidence available and i am no means an insider or have much knowledge in marketing at all 😂👍
Cheers Sam, looks a good package doesn't it. The SLX frame looks so damn good though :(
I think the updated CF is a great bike for the money. The old front end is what put me off buying one, and I ended up buying a Handsling instead, the new cockpit transforms it. Sure, I could've bought the old version and upgraded the cockpit but I couldn't be bothered and went elsewhere. If I was buying again, I think I'd be really considering the 105 specced CF because there's nothing else out there with that spec, with a decent set of wheels, ready to ride straight out of the box for
After further investigation, nothing really comes close does it!
would be nice if they brought back the rim brake canyon tt bike. Such a slick and fast weapon!
Yes! Liz had one, brilliant bike
It's so fast because you can't stop. Rim brake is dead. Move on grandpa
Get a CF and a disc wheel will cost you only ~8000 and it’s going to be faster than the top of the line. It’s really good value there.
Looks good doesn’t it!
I think in lots of cases, it comes down to availability, with size and colors playing a large part. Not wanting a purple bike, I waited a year for a CFR. Preferred a CF SLX for much better price point, just was never available.
Hahah excellently justified the CFR there ;)
I just can't get passed 'starts at 10 grand'
‘Only’ 🤣👍
If it sells like other +$10k bikes, they'll probably make a version with a cheaper carbon layup. Trek has done this for years. Triathlon is dying a bit and that's why they haven't done it with the speed concept yet. But they've done it with the previous gens...on top of the Madone.
then don’t buy it?
Do you think a new Speedmax CFR is coming ?
Im wondering to know the same
I called customer service and they said this model would not be coming to the US.. meanwhile the cheapest canyon speed max we can get in the US is 12k.. come on Canyon I want the CF!!
Come to Germany, visit the country and buy the bike. Fly back with the bike :D
@@TheEightRainthis makes so much sense. Even have spare change for a nice bike bag.
Holiday and new bike. Win!
Oh no, didn't realise it wasn't available in the US!
@@TheEightRainare there physical store in Germany?
Ordered SLX right before upgrade, while still in doubt whether slx frame have significant difference from CF model in performance. I'd be fine w/o intgrated whistles of SLX. What I can see is only fork little thiner and some weight penalty, while have great ZIPP Vuka axs extentions in CF. What is your thoughts?
Yes the CF to SLX change looks a lot more substantial than the SLX to CFR. I think I'd pick the SLX because it comes in blue LOL
I think it is trying to grab market share. Really it makes them the only Tri bike with integrated hydration and tool storage for under 4k in your pounds. Obviously it’s not that different from the profile design aria hydration but still damn good. I really want him the mid range is so close to the top of the range it’s crazy.
Yes I guess that could be true, just getting more of the brand out there at every price point. I think there's a big market of people who don't want to actually fiddle with the bikes, so it coming with the hydration already fitted is an easier sell
@@TriathlonDan I agree but where’s the fun in not fiddling. I would love to have in frame tool storage and hydration on my Tri bike. But I’m committed to her now. I rebuilt it twice now on Sram AXS 1X and re did the cockpit twice, fans after a bike fit with that Dan guy finnaly have it feeling good. Only in it about what the base speedmax would cost thanks to the wonders of Facebook marketplace place. I do think is smart to have done this rework. I would love the tier 2 speed max if I just had 8k burning a hole in my pocket though but then I’d be back fiddling with the fit and changes I wanted to make to it. You know it never ends. N+1 doesn’t stop at full bikes
The base model is a brilliant buy when you compare it to say the Cervelo P series 105 mechanical which is £3.6k. I think they’ve released this model as the old model hasn’t been available for 15 months + like you say is the etap slx version worth it at £8.4K ???Am sure for your average competitor over 180k the performance gains would be small!
Very much so, it's a "complete" Tri bike really isn't it.
There’s a couple of thoughts I have from this. That entry level bike is not an entry level price. I looked at buying the entry level version (previous version) and you can buy a third party hydration system which looks very similar to this new build. Once the cost was added with the hydration unit, it didn’t seem worth it. With this ‘new’ frame, They sell that extra accessory for 229. Why not just include it? These bikes are specific and meant for racing.
a couple thousand more, you get a slightly better wheelset, an updated frame that does make a difference, better storage unit, and slick design. The internal storage In the frame was a selling point to me at the time since I was watching videos of people saying the entry level frame’e storage compartment made rattling noise.
I’m also wondering if this update is being shown since there might be a brand new speed max in the higher end version. It’s been three years. Cool video man. I ride a 13 year old tri bike and I’m back on canyon’s site seeing if I should still get one.
Hi Dan, I just purchased the CF 7 AXS. Etap wireless and it was £5200. I guess I can put the new hydration system that’s coming out, onto this? A pic shows it with it. Hope so 😅 do you know when they are releasing the hydration system? Thanks
Nice one! I'm not sure if they'll sell it separately, but it would make sense as a nice little upgrade kit wouldn't it. A few comments have said that the hydration system is very similar to a Profile Design model, so it might be worth having a look at that :)
Thanks for the reply Dan. I’ve just had an email back saying it will fit this bike when released. They are waiting for the new system to be released!! Hope it comes before Roth 👌
@@TriathlonDanYou can only buy it separately. Rather misleadingly it does not come with the bike, I guess that is why they don’t show it on the main pic. You have to buy it as an add on and currently not due in stock until June and it’s 170 quid.
i am surprised you didn’t mention the aerobars/extensions on the new bike. that’s actually the part i find most frustrating about my CF SLX. they’re not great and you see almost everyone with these bikes in competition changing the front end. this has me wondering whether they’ll be changing that on the other two models this year maybe?
I’ve only just really noticed that so many people seem to swap the bars on those models, crazy really! All the pros have custom ones of course 😬
@@TriathlonDan it does seem crazy, right? i bought that bike thinking "this is the absolute best bike i can get for racing," but in fact it's a good starting point, and in order to be really competitive on that bike (or a bike like it), i think there's a lot of stuff you have to do to customize it to fit the rider. this wouldn't have made sense to me at the time, but it makes a lot of sense to me today. it's just frustrating because the bikes are indeed so very expensive.
Nice vid Dan. I think they updated the slx and cfr versions over the last year or so, and the cf was the next cab off the rank? They say they are democratising performance haha. I’m thinking of getting the 105 one as the electronic group set out of budget. What are your thoughts on the 105 cf at that price? Still seems a little much for a bike with 105 mechanical. Cheers
Cheers! Ahh did they, didn't spot that. Groupsets are getting cheaper and cheaper, I think you could buy the mechanical version and fit di2 for not much more after you've sold the mechanical groupset, but a bit of a faff! You'd only need the shifters, mechs & battery afterall. Shimano used to do an "upgrade kit" a few year ago
@@TriathlonDan when I say updated the slx and cfr, I think it was just some new colours and groupset configurations including the 1 by option.
Sounds like you going to buy a new canyon dan
Haha I constantly dwell on the Ultimate but the integrated cockpit puts me off
Imagine how good pro cycling would be if UCI made hydration systems legal
Exactly!
the current cf7 sl has been always not available in asia, n i bet the new cf7 will also be scarce in availability. n i agree, cf7 should have stayed being cheap(n if possible drop in price) rather than being updated n price up. Canyon should have went cheaper offerings as they have europe n asia distro to fight the market vs argon n cervelo p-series.
i ended up building a china tri bike from scratch at half price instead(exclude labor as i assembled myself)
Ahh strange! I love building a bike to the spec you want, sounds good!
It’s crazy that in the US they don’t offer the new CF and only offer weird color CF SLX. I’m sorry purple or green I just can’t…. It’s clearly they just want to rip you off on the CFR. Oh actually even if youd like to be ripped off you can’t! Because of of them are out of stock 😂
Strange as I bet the market would be massive!
I would rather have a 10k racing cycle than having a 1k watch.
Same!
Old 105 for 4000eur, what's next Tiagra for 5000eur ?
Bike prices have gone through the roof across the board haven't they!
Cool except Canyon is awful and never has any stock in the USA anyway so I moved on to other brands. I don’t plan to ever consider Canyon at this point.
Ah no :( I've had great experiences personally
Availability is certainly an issue. Otherwise, no issues with Canyon.