The New Canyon Aeroad Blew My Mind
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Crank length still 170 on size XS, and no apparent way of ordering something shorter. Means more unnecessary after-purchase expense.
You are correct, contacted Canyon to confirm and was blown away, other manufactures are doing 165s on their smaller frames
Same with stem length.
I got 165 on my 2XS thank god
yeah, get alterntive for that price
Actually same 170 on the S too
I think this bike could be huge for the casual triathlon market. The ability to add the Speedmax TT cockpit to a 1 piece carbon bar is a game changer IMO.
Yes, that is exactly what makes me excited about this bike! I want a bike which is usable for normal riding on the street, but it can also be used in tri races. Many triathletes only use the tt bike for the races. While it isn't as fast as an tt bike, you'll be awfully close with this one.
Waiting for a test & comparison video to find out how close it is to a Speedmax
Do "casual" riders drop £6K on a bike?
It turns out Shimano doesn't offer wireless shifters for tri bars. I'm very much intrigued by those new clip-on tri-bars, but without shifters it's meh (considering you have Di2 version). Also, there's no place to set up traditional hydration system
@@AlexRepin I’m pretty sure they do. All Speedmax bikes have shimano satellote shifters on the bars.
I look the Torx tool methodology they went with. It will reduce the "extra" tools needed to bring on a long ride.
Torx also superior to hex, cool step to take
Other brands like scott have been doing this for quite some time. I don’t see why they should market it that much while it’s already on the market.
@@gertjanaertgeerts benefits the everyday rider doesnt it? Why not let them know
@@lucamuller6729True but we’re talking limited torque on most fasteners… 5-8 nm. Tool quantity is less of an issue than availability.
My modestly configured Trek only requires 3 metric hex wrenches for any roadside issues (seat post, seat, bars, stem, headset, brake calipers, water bottle cage screws, crank arms, brake and gear levers, jockey wheels).
If you forget your tools, torx can be hard to find if you’re in a jam. Hex is everywhere.
@@paulgrimshaw8334don’t forget derailleur bolts
alpecin big boys are sprinting on these handlebars, we are safe lol
Nope, totally different handlebars…
@@roandesmet9632 you're right. SAD!
well the last generation aeroad famously had its bars break mid race for vdp...
I wouldn't worry about my sprints damaging the bars, while pros are winning tour de france sprint stages with this same bar system
Jimmy does like to try and find something to complain about and I guess this was it.
Don’t underestimate Jimmy’s arm strength. I’ve heard MVDP regularly has to invite him over to open his pickle jars.
You can never judge durability by the pro races. Motorsports are infamous for this. There's a reason racing machines breakdown so often. These bars may be quite safe and durable. They also may be mediocre and get replaced all the time by the pro team mechanics. We can't use their performance as judge.
I think this review is not complete without finding out the failure point of the bars :)
the pros don't ride these bikes :D at least those winning ride a different cabon layup
the bottle cage thing is a bit crazy ... wtf
But it fits Canyon bottles perfectly.....
Joking aside, at least it is something that's easy to change a none proprietary holder.
Just put some tape inside the cages. Works pretty well
The bike does not include the bottle cages anyway so it don't matter. You can get them separately if you want.
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Just buy any of the other cages they sell, they fit all bottles.
Big fan of this refinement of the previous gen aeroad and love the look of the CFR colourways.
The SLX (which most people will go for) paintjobs are incredibly ordinary.
Got to agree the paint work puts me off. So bland.
I bought an endurace cf slx precious week and received it yesterday. I found canyons customer service to be 10 out of 10. As well in real life as online, as i had some additional questions after seeing the bike in real life. Would definitely recommend buying from canyon.
Wait till you have to claim a warranty from them
My new bike's power meter broke and I had to wait 3 months for it to be repaired.
It definitely deserved more than "pretty good" imo. As a normal person that doesn't have endless amounts of money and time to spend on bikes/parts and service, the fact that you can adjust the bars, change the stem height ( down AND up!) without sawing carbon and getting cancer in my tiny living space, and that all the bolts are the same is sick! I'm willing to change out a bottle cage instead of all the extra parts and tools needed for other bikes.
I get that not everyone likes the Canyon model and the whole skipping the middle man thing, but not only do they offer great bang for buck, they are even adding extra finesse to their bikes for a lower price than competitors. What's not to like?
And all this about it's hard to get a LBS for service? Canyon has a list of LBS that's certified and recommended. My closest is just under 50 km from where I live - OK for me.
Just ordered one. Had the bottle cages in my basket but decided to re-use my 'old' ones, money saved!! I did buy a Canyon bottle, that will probably be a quite tight fit.
My 2 canyon bottles leak from the tip.. worst bottles I have bought.
I don't think you can choose to get the flared bar ends as an option. All Aeroads come with the regular bar ends, the flared ones are an extra to buy separately.
"It's impossible to ride this bike slow!" was also one of the first reactions I had when I got my (now old) Aeroad two years ago :D
Jimmy's climbing looks like a man escaping a submarine.
Any bike shop that won't service a Canyon, is a bike shop worth passing by.
Who the hell needs them anyway? There's plenty of information out there for anyone to deal with their own bike. Bikes aren't complicated.
The bars seem fine. They don't move or rattle. They don't come loose. And after a while, you simply forget they are adjustable. 2,100 miles on my Gen3 Aeroad and I've not touched nor thought about it since the day of assembly.
I love love love the “all bolts are the same, and here’s this nifty tool that can adjust the whole bike” feature. I’d love to be able to ditch my multitools and just ride knowing I can still fix anything that might crop up during a ride. Very neat. Also really like the width adjustable bar since every bike comes with a too-wide bar for me. A bit of a bummer that you’re really SOL if the stem length is off though.
I dig the car analogies.
Groupset bolts still are rarely one sized torx at this point
@@kennethdarlington Fair, I think most of my SRAM AXS Rival is T25, at least for brakes, which would be lucky. I just mean in general, it'd be great if this picked up and spread to other bikes (and apparently parts). Playing "juggle the hex wrenches" is just a mess every time you have to wrench on something. 🤷♂
Now we know what Francis' pet peeves are; birds and bottle cages.
Fuck everything else, all I care about is the paint protectors on the fork. Absolutely genius, how is that not standard?
Not a fan of the design, but the adjustable handlebar is insane, and the price is reasonable too. For your next videos, you could also add reach, stack and basic geometry for the bike you have versus your height and inseams. It would be a great starting point for buyers and wouldn't take too much time. Thanks
At least it isn't Cube's design 🤣
You should have mentioned whether the weight of 7.59kg is with or without pedals ;)
Great Review
As in, "Review", the true meaning of the word
I watched your video and then UA-cam autoplayed the GCN Canuon Aeroad puff piece (which I'm sure is supposed to be a review).
It was really amusing watching the two videos back to back and the point of difference Cade Media presents. Great work! Enjoyable and informative.
Couple of questions on this
How are Canyon managing the brake hoses on these adjustable bars, they must come pre installed for the widest setting, how do the hoses look on the narrow setting?
Steerer, if you can slam the stem by removing spacers but still don’t have steerer tube sticking out the top then how much of the stem is clamping the steerer tube when the spacers are fitted?
I would like to see you go into these details a little more in the videos if possible.
Friend of mine has one of these ,says the same as you guys, twitchy at speed , bit harsh ,he has the slx and it's pretty heavy at 8.3 kg stock build but my good is it a fast machine when you put your foot down
That bottle cage is unaccaptable! The last thing we need is different bottle cage standards...
The one little bolt at the stem is to keep the fork from "falling out" when you adjust/slam the handlebar height. They sell the bike with fork installed and want to make sure you do not accidentally create slack.
I bought myself the previous Canyon Aeroad CF SLX 8 10 months ago. Living in germany, canyon is a pretty dominant brand here - about 1 in 10 roadbikes is a canyon here. Together with Rose another german brand, they are most seen around here. The reason for this is simple. The products are very well developed and relativly cheap in the premium sector. They offer a wide range, so any rider type will find something for them. But this comes with a downside as some already pointed out. They try their best to be close to the customer and support their buying decision. You can go try out any bike of them in their factory outlet in Koblenz no matter the price or what you look like. They sponsor many events in germany and always have products to try out and fall in love with - but once you bought their products their after sales is kind of trash. Support, replacements and guarantee handling is always slow and icky. It is said, their support can't handle the volume. They say that now for 4 years since covid striked.
The biggest downside I see with the new itteration of products, is their pricing strategy. They kept the prices of their top end products almost the same, but the medium range products like the Aeroad cf slx 8 here, got a hefty raise. I bought mine 10 months ago, for about 5300€. The new model is 7000€! Almost 2k more, for a refined but not revolutionary product. This is way too much for the young adults in their 20s who typically ride this bike. For people in their mid 20s making 35-55k a year, this is just insane. I guess, its not meant for them anymore
The aftermarket spare parts bit couldnt be more true. I tried to repair / service my dropper post on the Rose Ground Control and had to search long and far to find the actual OEM, that builds that thing to find what I needed to replace. Given the time I invested it might have been actual cheaper to just buy a new one alltogether.
@@Servellia that’s the way with budget droppers!
"Cheap" and "€5300" is kinda oxymoronic in one comment😅
They remind me of how most Germans dress: cheap and practical. Geiz ist geil mentality.
I don’t know much about German salary but in France 35k-55k in your mid 20s means that you’re doctor or engineer … so not for « lambda » people
awesome how convenient it is for a fully integrated cockpit to travel with.
Just bought the previous iteration a few months back. The new handle bars are really nice because they have the Gear Groove which allows you to attach Canyon's aero bars.Thinking about buying those handle bars separately at some point in the future. Rest of the changes are hardly a difference maker. But same with upgrading phones, laptops etc. year to year.
Don't forget that the headset tube isn't standard as well, so alot of third party parts can't be added to the frame if one was so inclined.
Canyon is fantastic and the bikes arrive 99% complete. Heck the tires even come with air. I have had 2 Aeroads, and have 2023 CFR Aeroad and it's phenomenal (hoping the Aero PACE bars work, asking but we'll see!). Any "problem" they've mad eit up to me (even sent me new bars and new bar tape AND given me money to get a bike store to install it). The drops are also strong enough in any sprint. I've tested and they're good up to my 1300w ability lol. Oh and Van der Poel's testing them too so I GUESS they're fine. Also, the canyon cages are extra money. Never knew they were that weird. I've just use my old Tune ones.
Please stop saying that industry is trying to sell you bigger bikes. Canyon recommends XS size for 170 cm height. Just follow the size chart on the Canyon official site, it's simple.
I think they mean selling you longer bikes, i.e the top tube length, which is what pros ride.
@@Joshua-dx7znno, they mean what they say... Which is true for Scott maybe (as Scott recommends M for me but I'm actually more towards the S). And it's not true for Canyon. You cannot generalise size charts across the business.
so if you buy your usual size - you get a bigger bike? :)
@@TeoSluga I think Trek does it too.
The issue is them saying that 170cm is extra small! 175cm is average height in the UK (shouldn't that be a medium?) and due to the aggressive geometry of the bikes, for most people you need to size down a frame
I just bought a Canyon Endurace and it is amazing. Easy to build, light, comfy, and they we're great with anything shipping related. Great brand that I will continue shopping from.
LOVE your new format for reviewing bikes. Keep it up! Hopefully endurance bikes will be on your menu as well.
6:30 -- absolutely true! Fiddling around with different width bars and stem lengths had led to a lot of unnecessary waste!
If I ever have a friend with one of these, I'm sneaking into his garage at night and setting the bars as short as possible on one side and as long as possible on the other. Offset bar technology is the future.
Definitely there is a trend - very long top tubes making you nearly lie down on the bike to reach the hoods. I have tried several bikes recently and I felt weird on the frame size the manufacturer recommended for my height. Additionally integrated handlebars leave you with no simple option to fine tune your position by exchanging the stem.
I hope the max tyre width has increased from 25mm.
32mm 🙌
I run 30mm on the a CF SLX 8 no problems.
At least in Germany, Canyon has a list of partner bike shops that will work on your bike. Brought my Endurace there and they charged a fair price. Don't know about the UK though.
that’s the best looking frame to stem transition i’ve seem
The buffer at the end of the forks is genius. Why has it taken so long for this to happen
7:50 This feeling when climbing often means the headset isn't working properly. Misalignement or overtightening.
I'm ready to accept this bicycle as a present
can you use it with indoor trainer? (covered back thru axle)
That tool in the end of the axle is ace! Always used to love allen key to torque but I am slowly converting now it is the new norm it seems
I would have loved a few words about the dt swiss wheelset. Other than that, great work!
Only 20mm internals best suited to 25mm tires.outdated
underated channel
Lighter, stiffer and more aerodynamic!? They can't keep getting away with this 😱
It's also more confidence inspiring.
LSA mantra 😅
Watch for the cracks when unboxing, last year my frame was cracked out of the box !
They can. That's called iterating and getting better at prepreg layup.
Don't forget that it's somehow stiffer AND more comfortable 🙄
The aero bars are a £220 option when ordering, Canyon should make the choice of handle bar a no cost option, why buy an aero bike without the aero bars 🤷♂
I have 2022 carbon bottle cages from Canyon on my Ultimate and it fits Elite Fly/Nano and random cheap bottles perfectly
6:40
yeah... I also have my box of handlebars, stems and seats 🤣
the seats at least works as a decoration where the bikes are stored
I’d love a Canyon. Went to buy one a year or two ago but abruptly failed when I put in my address in Northern Ireland. Turns out that due to Brexit they don’t ship here (yes, that’s right, that thing that happened ages ago). My hard earned cash went to Giant instead. Pretty poor for a company trumpeting how good they are to consumers & can ship to the other side of the world.
Below from Canyon website re NI delivery. A TLDR version is that they said in 2021 it would take a short time to get their systems set up to deliver to NI…
“The good news is we have now restarted shipments for our full portfolio of bikes and accessories to the UK. We are excited to announce that as of Tuesday the 23rd of February 2021 we can now take orders and are shipping ebikes to the UK once more.
We have extensive experience in shipping bikes all over the world and will only have to make small changes. This means the purchasing process through Canyon after Brexit is unchanged to you, the customer, as we handle everything needed to ensure your Canyon order arrives swiftly and safely.
The conditions on shipping to Northern Ireland are now different to mainland UK. This means we need to undertake additional systems changes to ensure we can ship bikes to Northern Ireland correctly. Unfortunately, this does mean that for a short time we will be unable to receive orders for shipment to Northern Ireland. We are working on completing these changes as soon as possible and once we have more information on when we will be able to continue transactions with Northern Ireland, we will post them here. As an alternative, a delivery to Ireland and Great Britain is still possible.”
Vw r32 so it's a future classic that everyone doesn't know they need to own. Yep I want it even more after this video
Canyon actually states on their homepage, that the bottle cage is ONLY compatible with canyon bottles.. Yet the bike does not come with the cages includes so I would just get another model. Great bike imo. Thank you for the excellent review!
Adjustable bar is amazing, I would *love* that.
Would the covered thru-axles cause compatibility issues with indoor trainers?
I still haven't able to top some of my personal hill climbing records done with the Grail CF SL7 with my Aeroad CF SL7. Either the Grail CF is a hill climbing beast or I'm just older.
That is absolutely geargous! That white color looks mint 🔥
Ummm isn’t mint a green colour??😂
This white color looks mint but unfortunately is not available to mere mortals who are not youtubers when they want to purchase an Aeroad CFR or Ultimate CFR on Canyon website.
@@antz3943Also on cf slx from 4200€
@@Aidan-tu4un Lol, mint as in 🤌🤌
@@AQUPAS sorry… 😞 am wrong side of 50 to understand such terms🙄
Love these videos, it would be nice if you included an overview of all the bikes on the board at the end of the video.
Compared to the Van Rysel RCR (not full pro version) which is a similar style bike. Which would everyone be going for?
Love the car analogies.
Should make a whole series on funny comparisons of bikes to cars :D
For a 6500 EUR bike bought at a local bike shop, what would be the profit for the local bike shop? What's the saving for a consumer to buy directly from the manufacturer?
You only tested the bike with standard alloy wheels, not the wheels intended to be used with the bike. That may change your testing experience.
Doesn’t come with bottle cages, they’re an optional additional purchase! Don’t buy them.
that handlebar removable 'drop' probably helps ppl who dont have scion bike bag, can also get away not need to remove handlebar from steerer (as long the cables has slacks in the dropbar) to fit transport bikebag.
i wonder if we can buy those handlebar for use on non canyon bike
When they come up with adjustable stem length, which I suspect they will, then the cockpit is a ten (height adjust without cutting, width adjust)
Great review. Big brands would be well advised to send all new high end models to Cade Media upon release.
I’m here for the bike-car references. R32 makes perfect sense lol
in Canyon, XS for me too. I'm about the same size as a 2 years younger Francis.
I love the stormtrooper callout hahaha. I actually nicknamed my Canyon Ultimate "Stormtrooper" on strava. Live in the windy mountains of Colorado, the Aeroad is not the bike for me. I'd fall over and die on the minimum 1000 foot climb to go anywhere, but man I want it so badly.
Yeah, I’ve had a problem with my back wheel on my single speed too, It likes to lift while sprinting. 😅
Cool thing with the handlebar adjustment, I hope it becomes something of a standard!
But holy moly the price if you crash it, was something like 350€ just for the bars (not the stem) 😵💫
Aeroad keeps getting better and better!
You can purchase oyher bottle cages with the bike, and to be fair the bottle cages on your exemplar state very clearly they are designed for the canyon bottles!
Mine certainly doesn't come setup tubeless, just tubeless ready... mine came with a TPU tube.
One frustration as an owner of the previous edition that’s very similar, Canyon don’t sell the different length cockpits even if you want to pay for it aftermarket. A strange decision I think, especially for a bike where they market the other adjustability as a benefit to the consumer.
So a warning to potential buyers, if the reach is not good for you.. you’re stuck with it.
They do, the new PACE T-bar (CP0048) is available in lengths all the way from 70mm to 140mm.
wait until you realize that this is a common thing at Canyon. I wanted to upgrade my Commuter with their own bike rack. They technically said to me "sorry, we do not sell them separately. Next time, get them more expensive commuter so you also get the bike rack.
I don’t own one, but this isn’t the first I’ve heard about this.
@@steespee good to hear. Before when it was CP0018 they wouldn’t offer through any channel and had no options.
So if you know you want 120mm this bike is basically not for you? Lol, ok.
If I'm not mistaken, comparing the covered thru axle holes with Pinarello, as far as I recall BMC did it first a couple of years earlier.
The only place on the wall that bike should be is my garage wall! 🤪
Good review guys, how easy was it to change the stem length? 10/10 for adjustability, or maybe not?
It wouldn't be much harder (I guess could be even easier) than on other bikes with internal hoses, but you can't order a different length of that T-shaped center piece!
Curious how helpful shops will be in the long-term with these bikes. You might be on your own servicing wise.
Are you going to be comparing it to the Ultimate as well?
I'm glad this is heavier and climbs slow, my Ultimate is safe for another year, lol.
Kind of dream bike
I think the new steerer tube area looks a lot better too. The previous version looked small and didn’t fit with the wide aero frame.
The thru axle and T25 standard is low-key genius
The bottle cages don't come with the bike. That's like saying the bike is bad because canyon bottles taste like plastik. It's a different product :D
Eight years ago, the last time I bought a new bike that came in a box, the local bike shop built it for me for $100. At least I'm pretty sure that's what I paid. May have been $150, but no more than that. Anyway, that bike looks awesome. More than I'd ever pay for a bike, but it is nice.
You also don’t get cages with the peasant package, only the YT package has them 😮
designing a handlebar that better fits the shipping box in order to cut down shipping cost. that's a philosophy every other bike company should adopt. that's why performance cyclists truly care about, shipping cost.
I'm only 23 and I already have that pile of handlebars, stems and saddles... I do play with bike builds regularly though
damn, I just ordered carbon canyon bottle cage... I wish I seen this video upfront 🙂
No offense to Jimmy, but if it can withstand a sprinting MVDP or Jasper Phillipsen, I'm sure it'll take the mighty sprinting power of us everyday Joes :D
And I know the rating is just for the memes, but the bottle cages are not stock. Use literally any bottle cage you like.
no mention of the "Gear Groove" in all that handlebar talk?
I made a mistake with a keyboard shortcut at 00:05 and timeline went from "and it looks exactly like the old one" to the end of the video, and I was like, yeah sure, that's fair.
Could you review the new endurace CF 7 with 105 and DT-SWISS wheels. This is the best bang for your buck in the endurace lineup. Being a beginner cycler, I want a to buy a new bike after 2 years and I am waiting for them to release the new version at the end of this year
So, the torque tool that comes with the bike for the axles, you leave that in the axle when riding? I've always put mine in my seat bag just in case I lost it. I must say it's difficult to remove once inserted in the axle so I'm probably over complicating things
It‘s magnetic yes and to my knowledge it not for setting a specific torque.
I’m 172Cm and bought a Size Small and I’m thankful I did because had I gone with the Small I’d definitely have to change the stem length and in 2023 when I purchased my CFR you couldn’t get a longer stem! So the Small with a 90mm Stem fit me Perfectly! Riding for 3-4 hrs is No Problem! I really LOVE my Canyon CFR…….. Don’t think I’ll upgrade to the 2025 one.
We need a closeup of the vinyl wall for the next podcast!
I just ordered a XL, 32mm Tires
I doubt that the sprinters in the tour are thinking about their handle bars when winning ;-)
I've been looking for a second bike to use for shorter rides around town where I want to go all out and get some PRs/KOMs and seriously considering this bike. I use a Trek Domane for longer rides due to the comfort of the bike. I wish we had the ability to try these bikes in a store to see how they feel. Plus Canyon saying I need an XS scares me because Trek says I should ride a 54 but I prefer a 52. The adjustability of this bike is freakin awesome though. Being able to slam the stem and go back to a higher stem in a matter of minutes without having to cut the fork is mind-boggling.
The Canyon sizing does run small, so the XS recommendation is not surprising. Talk it over with Canyon customer support if you are concerned - as a consumer direct brand, they are used to these sorts of questions
Have you all reviewed the Endurace yet? I don't think you have, but I could have missed it.. I'd love to know if the new Endurace has the same bar set-up with the spacers and width.. also, would be interested in your thoughts on comparing the two, understanding they are for two different purposes.. thanks and, as always, great video!!