Race Driver Reacts to INSANE Group B Rally Moments
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- Опубліковано 11 січ 2021
- Group B was the most insane era for rallying, incredible cars, amazing speed and some very very brave drivers. I react as they take huge jumps, drift near to spectators and control their cars through very tricky rally stages.
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Rallying went wild in the 80s. The FIA wanted to attract more manufacturers and so created a class that would give the designers pretty much free reign, no power limits, no regulations on boost, and whatever exotic materials you liked.
Rally cars over the years have been largely based on road cars, with rules tightening and loosening on how close the relationship has to be, between the stock car, and the ones that actually race the stage.
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"Left 2, don't cut, spectators, to extra long 5, open over dead bodies, 50 meters"
Yikes haha
Easy left,slippy,pedestrians into flat right over burning bodies 50 K's into tight medium right over bridge into absolute hairpin left.
If I were the race car driver in that situation where crowd roam in the road like that. I wanna get out of the car and punch them up to the moon
Does somebody know how many spectators were injured during one season?
@@Zmetekvonsexistroj I think it wasn't unusual to find fingers in the aeroducts of the cars, in 1986 at the rally of portugal 3 spectators died and 31 were injured after the portuguese champion lost control of his rs200.. crazy era
Group B in rallying, group C in endurance and the turbos in Formula 1, the eighties were an incredible era in motorsports.
The eighties were an incredible era in every way possible.
Group A in Touring Cars
GTP was better than Group C. I think F1's best era was the mid 70's, especially 76 when they banned the ugly airboxes and hadn't figured out ground effect yet, but the 80's were alright.
Group B: when the balls of the drivers weigh more than the cars themselves
And one beautiful girl with 'balls' right up there among the best...
@@SabotsLibres Oh, Mouton got balls for sure, no doubt about that
As Juha Kankunen once said "-Group B was for men, WRC is for boys." :D
Considering how they tried to save weight wherever they could
There's always that guy in the comment section of racing videos that's obsessed with testicles. That joke died a long time ago already.
These were absolutely mad times. I witnessed all this. I went to the Rally of Portugal several times in the early eighties and it was just as insane as you see here. As a teen, I myself was one of these fools and risked my life many many times to take superb pictures, shame on me. It could only end badly and it sure did, when in March 1986 our National Rally Champion ran off the track and hit the crowd with his Ford Escort RS 200, killing three and wounding many more in the opening day. It happened 5 km from where I was. Everybody was horrified, the Rally was cancelled and this accident heralded the beginning of the end for Group B cars. Unquestionably things had gone way too far, both with the power of these cars and the behaviour and sheer number of spectators involved.
But these were wonderful times also. With every Rally of Portugal the whole Country stopped to see. We waited the whole year for this magic week and every Portuguese seemed to know the name of every top Pilot and his team. We absolutely loved them, as if they were The Beatles in the late sixties, or Movie or Soccer Stars. I saw several people crying when Toivonen died...
Superb video. The nostalgia it makes me feel is unbearable.
Do you still have those pictures?
Oh, how envious you make me. I'd love to experience that, but I was born too late.
Does anybody know what caused him to go off the road? Did he lose traction? Or just lost control and fishtailed?
The 80s weren’t 50 years ago... ;)
Was thinking the exact same thing
Was going to make this comment if I didn't see that someone else beat me to it ;)
Yeah, I felt that, felt old.
It will be in ten years
Oppps! In awe of these cars, I lost the ability to think.
The sheer talent these drivers had. The amount of concentration needed for group B rallying. It blows my mind
Alot of racing competitions need alot of concentration. However for rallying they do have to factor in the stupidity of spectators
Don't forget, both drivers and their co-pilots smoked very heavily to keep their nerves down. This was Formula 1 on gravel, snow, ice and sand
Not all were equally talented.
@@dr.science_0177 stupidity is an understatement XD
@@tygobermind3640 yes not all were as talented as each other but still had a high standard for drivers.
"WRC is for boys, Group B was for men". - Juha Kankkunen
"Driving for me is independence... Freedom. If I have some emotion, of course it's the noise of the Quattro." - Michèle Mouton
I cannot imagine the disaster of a day when WRC becomes electric, it just won’t be the same without the characteristic sound of an internal combustion engine
Michelle mouton
More like psychos, these men are insane
"Rally1 is for the men. It’s like Group B. Not for the boys." - Juha Kankkunen
"who do you think is more crazy? F1 drivers or rally drivers?"
the spectators
Wrong! You can slow down while in the air you just need a big tree.
Its like a sudden air brake
or air brakes
Just open the doors.
Or a few spectators...
Hahahahahahaha
I think the spectators would brag like "Travis broke my leg in this hairpin"
I’m pretty sure these a story of a spectator losing his fingers and them being found in the intercooler of a 205 T16
@@shevo2008 there's a vid of it
Some of the spectators would try to touch the car as it went by. I remember a driver talking about going around corners, and hearing the slapping of limbs and the odd body getting pushed out of the way.
Walter Röhrl once broke a leg of a spectator, the spectator later comes to Walter and was so happy the he (Walter) broke his leg and got a signature on his plaster cast. Crasy times...
Man I hate those idiot crowds.
50 years ago, so this was recorded in the future! Awesome!
They were not exactly “heavy”, the S1 Quattro weighed shy of a ton (2403 lbs). :)
That has to be dry weight or somethings not right.
Thats right, they were actually lighter than the current WRC cars. 960kg Audi's and 860kg for the Peugeots compared to the 2017 weight of 1190kg.
@@wyldeyouth
They were just that light.
And the S4 and 205 were even lighter right? Around only 800?
@@rodeduivel1000 S4 and 205 reportedly had the minimum 850 KG weight from their class
One of the most impressive spine-chilling moments of Group B wasn't in that compilation.
Terry Harryman " Dear God!"
Ari Vatanen "Keep Reading!"
I know the reference
What's that in reference of?
Ari vatanens 1983 manx rally onboard that is available on YT
That car was so light that a hit on the all steel gate there, would've made a opel manta 400 became a 205 in size, taking it lightly (no pun intended).
Dear God was harmless. Check out Bertie Fisher's total brake failure in his Manta 400 at 100mph for real drama
These Group B clips are mad! Which do you think was more impressive?
If you haven't already seen it, you should watch the video we made on Group B cars! ua-cam.com/video/pPk90JZqWM8/v-deo.html
*It seems my maths is a decade or so off... I was so stunned by the cars I couldn't think! :-p
600+hp without power steering, traction control, etc...... on countryside roads, thats impressive for me
You made me feel older than I am. I am old but not that much :)))
Less than 40 years ago.. not 50.. I'm not 50 and i remember Group B well.
You should really talk about the current spec WRC cars. The dampers in particular are the most impressive piece of technology.
Always stunned by the Lancia 037, that speed off-road with RWD is mad.
Also, group B cars overall where surprisingly light weight, with 960kg limit for 3000cc engined cars (quattro, RS200, Metro 6R4)
and 890 kg for the Delta Integrale an the 205 T16.
For comparison modern WRC cars weigh minimum of 1350 kg (though including driver and Co-driver).
I guess the difference in how the cars feel is down to modern suspension technology.
4:37 Michelle Mouton commenting on how to look at the spectators
Apparently he's so fast he traveled forward in time to the year 2030. 50 years since the 1980s...
Imagine what rally would be like with the group s cars
The mustang would have to give up its spot of number 1 crowd killer
@@chriscarter5659 shit joke
@@virgin1093 no it was amazing. Accuracy is funny. As in crowd aim.
@@virgin1093 I gotta agree with you
@@virgin1093 not necessarily fun. That guy made a joke that is somewhat accurate. Pretty funny. But it isn't even my joke to explain
4:37 Is that really the voice of Walter Röhrl ? Feels like it might be Michèle Mouton instead...
yeah that's a french accent with a female voice
You should be right. It sounds a lot more like a female voice plus the french accent. Röhrls voice sounds completely different, especially because of the strong German accent.
yes it is Michele Mouton
It is not Walter Röhrl
here is an example of his voice
ua-cam.com/video/T-vBFt_iEV0/v-deo.html
We don't know who the voice was, but one thing was certain...
THEY ARE A OFFICAL MADLAD
Love it mate! I remember it from when I was a kid. They need to bring it back. With modern safety within the cars and spectators at a safe distance, I don't see why they couldn't?
Truly awesome racing!
Modern WRC cars are actually faster in most cases. Although there is something about Group B and Group A rally.
@@callummclachlan4771 yeah I figured modern cars would be faster. But just imagine what they could do with all the technology now 1000bhp Impreza's n the like 🤣
What’s really amazing is how few fatalities there were despite this seemingly extremely dangerous placement of the crowd.
That's because not all fatalities were captured & filmed only few got caught in action (or if were caught maybe are not released for public view).. Atillio Bettega, Hannu Mikkola, Henry Toivonnen ( RIP ) just to name of few of most talented Group-B pilots which do not have footage of exactly what happen when they crushed, only images when they start the stage then few corners after and some images after the crash showing the cars wrecked and emergency helicopter taking-off but nothing regarding the time of impact or how exactly they 'r car got destroyed..
Michelle Mouton was my heroine when I was a kid .
Ludovic Bon in wich way
What type of heroin
Never heard of that type of drug before.
I think imma need some of that Michelle man.
Jk😂
Walter Röhrel once said in an interview that in hindsight he should have let Michelle win. So a woman would have won group B, because he had already proven what he was capable of. But his 80s stubbornness didn't leave him at the time.
@@seandemhairr4572 the one with the e at the end.... the way it was spelled lol
@@saturdaysatan8981 wouldn't have been a legit win though. i would have rather lost fair and square then been let win because im a woman more or less
Most of those videos are in Portugal! We are crazy!
It is not Portugal people that drives is just in your country that doesn’t mean that you guys only drive the majority of people are people from up in europe where i live like sweden Finland norway germans brits and french i live in sweden am a rally head that is part of my swedish cultur
Which is also why three spectators died in one single crash in 1986 with thirty injured. An event, that together with the death of Toivonen 2 month later ended Rally B.
@@RegebroRepairs Life is deadly
@@RegebroRepairs good Said so no you guys in Portugal is not crazy you guys took part in destroying the sport so it went illegal
@@woody442 Not at deadly as death.
This is the first time I see a good reaction video. Maybe is it due to the fact the youtuber doesn't simply say: "Whoa!", "What the …!", "Oh my God!", but he actually explain why he is impressed by what he is seeing.
Your observations, analysis and commentary were great, thanks.
A lot of Walter Röhrl’s brilliance there
One of my favorite all time racing drivers, he was fantastic in Audi's Trans-am program as well.
Röhl is the GOAT. Hands down.
1980 he drove 50 Kilometer on Silverstone against Emerson Fittipaldi(2 WDC) on time in a F1 car. He lost with 3 Seconds. Then they drove a 50 Kilometer gravel stage through the british forest, Röhl was over 30(!!!!)Seconds faster!
@@Ben-gb9qr Are you talking per lap or total distance?
@@nsp6590 total distance
@@Ben-gb9qr That's very impressive. To be honest I would think that rallying is a lot more difficult to get accustomed to though considering you need to learn how to tackle dirt, gravel, snow etc as well the car. Röhl would only need to get accustomed to the car while Fittipaldi would need to learn everything else as well. Doesn't take anything away from Röhl's amazing achievement but it's something to keep in mind.
4:43 That's not Walter Röhrl's voice... That's Michele Moutou's voice!
A very HOT 'n sweat lady.
"Pumping the throttle has nothing to do with the turbo." (Walter Rohrl)
Correct:
“In an Audi, if you didn’t turn the steering wheel one whole turn then it didn’t even react,” Röhrl added in 2005. “Of course in power and traction the Audi was the best but it was hard to drive with the understeer and I had to teach myself left-foot braking.”
In this video at :17 he actually says, "it has nothing to do to keep the turbo pressure on".
ua-cam.com/video/CQyo9guYh1Q/v-deo.html
Keeping the revs in a car up means that it can more easily avail of power. One of the issues with turbo cars is the lag that exists.
1% of a power extra can make all the difference especially when it is repeated hundreds of times.
@@bighands69 Your comment is technically correct but does not apply to this film clip. ua-cam.com/video/CQyo9guYh1Q/v-deo.html
@@EdAb Wow, this is the first time I ve seen a youtube comment that is right about the left foot braking.
Great commenting on a great era, thank you for this video Sir!
Memories ;hiking for miles through a forest in Wales and waiting on a freezing mountainside for the Quattros to come through. Listening to the bark and bangs of that amazing engine approaching from the distance as the beans of the spotlights sweep across the night sky. Michele Mouton's Quattro sliding to a halt in front of us as she and Fabrizia Pons leapt out in a cloud of a French and Italian swear words to change a flat tyre.
It's not just the cars that had to change, spectating had to change too with rallies no longer covering multiple stages across huge distances. It was the time that rallying in the UK at least changed so that stages were run multiple times and in different directions which meant that they could better control access, put people in grandstands and charge an entry fee! It also made it safer for drivers because medical and safety cover was less spread out in the same way that saw the end of racing at the Nordschleife.
Thank you for these videos Scott and for sharing your knowledge. There's so much to learn from each and every one of them.
Fantastic video and commentary. Thank you! :)
1:00 I'd put money on that being unburned fuel detonating at the end of the turbo blow-off line in the run up to that corner.
Correct and these had early anti lag systems
Yeah its the screamer pipe
@@RainMakr ALS on these was basically a dragon on cocaine...
Will never forget them days,standing in a forest at 3 am hearing the cars screaming from 5 miles away and getting louder and louder,them were the days...
It was 40 years ago... But they were incredibles at the time!
This man is already in the 2030's
@@Snappy2001 Group B was introduced in 1982
@@rockefede and it ended in 87, 34 is closer to 30 than 40
@@stuffanthings It ended in 86, and began in 1982. We are closer to 40 than 30. Fuck off.
he is making us ten years older :)
I have seen group B in rally of Portugal in the 80s, I used to go with my father, but we would stay in a higher place not by the road. The noise of the cars was crazy
Just crazy! Another great video!
Loved this! I am very much enjoying your ‘reaction’ series as it were. I appreciate you not going in blind so it’s much more informative and far less the gimmicky “reaction” vids that seem so popular.
Oh and 1980-2020 is 40 yrs, not 50 😉
Finally
Audi Quattro still the best sounding rally car ever
Lancia Stratos...
Nnothing sounds like a quattro
@@pilotozetec Stratos best sounding NA
Quattro S1 best sounding turbo
it's the inline 5 cyl, that makes it sound so awesome. like a baby v10.
@@dalostcabra8808 nop, Lancia Delta S4 as the better turbo sound in my opinion.
As someone born in 82, I object to you calling 80s 50 years ago 😉😉.
1:08 this is the external.
When your shock and passion comes out your home town accent comes out too, group b is mental
1980s was 50 years ago, learned something new today
ikr it was 60 years ago ffs.....
yeah... ten years of lockdown flew by so fast
No it was 40 years ago
@@ollorollo Nigga, that was weeks ago!
I think he meant cars of 50 years ago and not specifically 1980s in that sentence. That's what happens when people talk.
The time when both cars, drivers and spectators were insane
Spectators were clearly the most unconscious people ever.
I love how you keep the video going while talking because it keeps the momentum of the video going
I had a toy remote controlled Lancia 037, so that was one of my hero cars as a kid.
I had one as well, I loved that car! Both the toy and the real thing.
Tamiya, on TA03 R-S chassis? I have that on my shelf and can't agree more!
@@federicomasetti8809 I'm not sure :-). Judging by pics on Google I think yes, that's the one. Unfortunately I lost it a very long time ago, so I can't check :-).
@@dodolurker they re-released that body shell on a TA02 S chassis 2/3 years ago. Tamiya is still making some of the very best looking RC model cars (speaking of exteriors) 😁
@@federicomasetti8809 I went googling for photos, and it turns out the one I had was based on the Lancia Stratos, not the 037 - I feel duped!
Mindblowing moments, these guys had BALLS :D
They had BALLS OF STEEL!
Don’t forget Michelle, she had steel ovaries!
@@karelpgbr nah she had MAJOR BALLS. I don't think I know a dude with a bigger pair than her. Love her, always will.
You’re absolutely right about the boxy look. Like I just can’t get past how amazing these cars all look
Rally is so so badass! I absolutely love it!!
I love this series!!
"I've driven racecars from the 80s (...), the steering is so much heavier, the tire technology is so much worse the cars are so difficult to drive, to put in that perfect spot..."
That's exactly why I believe that the drivers that were the best during that era, were the best to EVER drive a racecar. They didn't have power steering, the didn't have ABS, they didn't have traction control, and yet... They managed to control and drive these monsterd nearly as fast or in cases of some motorsports faster than the ones we see today
Yeah, these are something different
some race series still dont allow tc and abs like f1 but I get what u mean
Actually, during senna time, mainly the late 70s till the turn of the century F1 cars in particular still used driver aids such as ABS and Traction control.
Modern current F1 cars do not have these aids.
@@Nox_Desiree
TCS entered in 1990 and got banned in 1994, only to return in 2001 if memory serves me right.
Nowadays TCS has intensity settings configured in the steering wheels.
I don't recall ABS being allowed for long in any regulations set and Launch Control got banned as soon as Renault was caught using it in 2005(2006?).
@@RadeticDaniel TCS was banned again in 2008 and has been ever since.
Brilliant video!
Thanks for the time what a great video 👏🏻👏🏻
We need more rally reactions!
F1 needs crowds like that nowadays, since the races are so boring
They are there, just in the grand stands way off to the side of the track. If you ever watch the spa race you can see all the people standing on the side of the track just beyond the barrier
Crowds right near the track? So they could die? Yeah, if you look at it that way, I would be less boring... smh
When watching F1 you simply have to forget that Mercedes exists, the midfield battle is more interesting.
Death Race 2000 lied.
"Something on engine breaking" lol it's anti lag hence flame popping through a screamer pipe 🙄
I thought the same thing. xD
40 years, my friend, but didn't take from the video at all. Great work!
The spectator from this time were like every person when we were kids. You don’t see danger and you can take on anything you want thinking you’re invincible!
Oh rally in the 80s. How i miss the good old days.
Just how great does the NA 6R4 sound in the field of muted turbos!
It was totally madness, i always loved it :X
0:59
No one:
Me: RIP the cameraman on the left.
Bet that was expensive.
Youve made me feel 20 years older then I really am 😉
I was watching it every Friday eve on Eurosport. Together with the F1 turbo it was the greatest racing time ever. In the 50is I still love watching these pics 🙌
hey Driver61 i like the show cobber, i see you getting excited when you talk, thats always a good sign!
Alternative title: Modern racing driver talks about how racing in the past was not modern
Being a child of the 80's I can tell you it was 40 years ago
Close enough
And only just!
They are hard enough to control in a video game let alone real life. Great vid!
"The cars are absolutely amazing.. but these spectators are just a bit crazy" haha keep the great videos rolling #Driver61
I really hate those spectators. They there to annoy the racers.
I would replace "crazy" for "stupid" every time he's referring to the spectators
Why not both? Crazy stupid sounds more representative.. lol
@@l96ai Agreed. : )
Well, imagine what that would have felt like, and then making it home in one piece the memories you now have. Seems pretty worth it to be honest.
@@cuteface88 that doesn’t make it not stupid
@@FranchescoiSpeed Sure it does. Why would doing something exhilarating that you'll remember till the day you die be stupid? Just because it's dangerous doesn't make it stupid.
Greatest rally era, wish the category came back. (without the insane crowd)
Leave 'em and have a racing body that says "tough shit, your old man was a dummy and ended up like a crash test dummy ....the crowd also signed waivers. Get a lawyer, see what good it does."
Forty years max, you’re making me feel older than I am!
Group B cars and Potugal Rally. Awsome.
The good days.
The bad days: 2020
Funfact: They found Fingers in their Radiators sometimes in Group B
Is that a fun fact I also know that they found fingers some times and Jesus balls of steel
That is NOT fun in any way. its true yes, but fukken disgusting and such a tragedy
@@AngryPostmanStockholm maybe these Idiots learned something 🤷🏻♂️
@Anessen Souvenirs of reprisal
Make a necklace. Look at these former fingers of morons
The lady interviewed on video was Michele Mouton Works Audi driver in Group B era. She now is FIA safety delegate and drives each WRC stage before first car checking all spectators on safe place,
Need ...even ... more ... Group B footage ... It's still that crazy impressive !
"The wheel looks a bit far away" yeah so it doesn't go through your chest when you crash xD
The spectators were so close some mechanics found severed fingers inside the car after a stage, I believe it was on a Peugeot 205
In portugal there used to be very popular to release bulls on the streets and people would do exactly the same. Stand in the front of the bull until the last Second and run. I believe that spirit had a tremendous influence in this behavior. Also the people trusted the pilots skills. It's a Completly irresponsible behaveur though. Nowadays there would be restricted areas and people wouldnt be alowed to be so close. We must remember that in these days even the rules of f1 were less tight, senna dyed because is car was made to be fast and not to be safe. Other times...
Those flames 🔥🔥🔥
I just wish I was the age I am now back then because it was the best years of rallying
Rallying today is so boring on the TV I don't even watch it anymore I just end up watching all the old school stuff great video love the channe. 💯❤️👊🙏
This is the time I grew up in. For me this was normal in the days. When I see people now with facemask on and already scared as hell when they come within 6 feet distance from each other, I really wished it was the '80s again.
1:01 "Summin' on the engine breaking" ey? I'm guessing you're a N/A guy? 😉
It's crazy but it made it exciting to watch
I've eaten so many rocks and dust from the back of those cars...it was normal to try to get as close to the cars as to a bull in a bullfight. Danger and risk was part of the game. And awesome pictures as well😁 .I'm portuguese and follow rallies 40 years ago, we had some horrifying stages, night stages, it's like magical now seen this.
They don't sound like modern cars they sound like, real cars
"couldnt do that nowadays"
Why not? We have walled ourselves in with safety to the point that fun is virtually non existent.
So you're only having fun if you and the people around you are at risk. Nice work. 👍
I know a lot of people in 2021 who want that kind of sport and event back. As a kid, I could experience it in Italy once and almost 40 years later I can still remember it as exciting. Personal responsibility for what you did was a bigger thing in the 80th. Imagine how many accidents with spectators could have happened - and how many really happened at the end. That kind of general success of Rallye Sport was also never reached again. It was way more popular and important as it is today. We gained safety, but we also lost a lot of personal responsibility and excitement as spectators.
I remember these days. I like the video but, ahem, I'm 50 years old and was a teenager during Group B so it wasn't 50 years ago mate. One thing you got right was the quote about it being the golden age of rally. Michele Mouton, Walter Rohrl, Juha Kankkunen etc. These drivers absolutely crushed it in the most difficult cars under the most difficult of conditions. I guess that's why I still watch these races from 35 years ago.
Keep going ♥️
miss this, the chills you got when a car came close, my best friend (rip) and me watched a rally stage where a frenchy came sideways missing his turn, and putting his rear end up on the side rails, we threw our selves to the ground and watched the bottom of the car passing above us.......
and yes we where standing away from the track, behind a steel barrier 🚧 but he flew past every thing and thru the safety area.....lol
luckily for us we had the steel barrier to dive under...
Rally de Portugal 🇵🇹! Yeah!!!
This was life!
I live those moments in Portugal !!
As crazy as it sounds this is true rallying. If it wasn't so dangerous both to the drivers and fans he would still be going on. I definitely remember chasing special stages at the Cyprs rally growing up. Unforgettable experience
It's incredible that there weren't many more incidents
About 10 years ago an incident happened in Uganda where the spoiler of one car hooked up a barbed wire from the fence along the stage... It just went hurting all the fans along the sides... It was disastrous...
Really driving involves taming and riding that beast of a machine to the end...
Thanks for the video 😉
I spoke with some of the mechanics at another WRC event and they said that a lot of the spectators like to try to touch the cars as they go by, which meant that the mechanics had to clean bits of fingers and blood from some of the vents and protrusions!
With the Audi the "something on the engine breaking" is the turbo spitting flames
Yeah man beautiful monsters.
Great video. These cars were super light . That's why they were dangerous.