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    Part Two: Kent Hovind: Fake Dinosaur Scholar and Accidental Child Killer | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
    Kent Hovind befriends a pedophile and, separately, kills a 7 year old through negligence. Also, more dinosaur disinfo.
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  • @chelseaadams5454
    @chelseaadams5454 24 дні тому +56

    "I may be crazy enough to take on the Batman, but the IRS? Noooo, thank you!"-The Joker.

    • @steelersguy74
      @steelersguy74 22 дні тому +1

      This didn’t take long to find.

    • @dragonsword7370
      @dragonsword7370 20 днів тому

      When you live long enough to find out the USPS has their own armed police agency, it suddenly makes you wonder about what the IRS has in its wings.

    • @addisonvigil163
      @addisonvigil163 14 годин тому

      ​@@dragonsword7370thats for a lot of reasons. One of which how much of the Constitution is about the post.

  • @Ceruleansquid-lo3iv
    @Ceruleansquid-lo3iv 25 днів тому +44

    Kent is besmirching the name of dinosaurs. As a former dinosaur kid, I will build a Dinosaur of Babel just to spite him.

  • @MisfitKnives
    @MisfitKnives 24 дні тому +18

    Dinosaur park shut down because the owner/operator doesnt play ball with the IRS should be the next Jurassic Park trilogy

    • @Usernameping
      @Usernameping 20 днів тому

      There has to 100% be an auctioning off of park equipment where different companies are bidding on dinosaurs, and inevitably a bunch of late night talk show hosts buy some

    • @dragonsword7370
      @dragonsword7370 20 днів тому

      Not the only reason why InGen setup shop on that island chain in South America.

  • @OnnieKoski
    @OnnieKoski 19 днів тому +5

    “You’re tarnishing Dinosaur Adventure Land!” I almost spit water all over my computer.

  • @shmehfleh3115
    @shmehfleh3115 25 днів тому +47

    Hey guess what Kent Hovind and Donald Trump have in common now!

    • @CliffSedge-nu5fv
      @CliffSedge-nu5fv 25 днів тому +39

      Not being adequately punished for their numerous crimes?

    • @andrewwilliams6963
      @andrewwilliams6963 24 дні тому +11

      Fanboys asking what's the crime? Who's the victim? It's a self own about their reading comprehension.

    • @shmehfleh3115
      @shmehfleh3115 23 дні тому +7

      @@CliffSedge-nu5fv Unfortunately, that too.

    • @minimalgrammar1276
      @minimalgrammar1276 21 день тому +2

      LMAO

    • @johntorres2565
      @johntorres2565 21 день тому +2

      Convicted on all counts?

  • @lancemorris8468
    @lancemorris8468 25 днів тому +37

    On the topic of dinosaurs, have you considered doing an episode on the Bone Wars between E.D. Cope and O.C. Marsh? An event that furthered the science of paleontology by several magnitudes whilst simultaneously destroying the reputation of both men, along with a lot of fossils and Native American sites

    • @SgtKaneGunlock
      @SgtKaneGunlock 24 дні тому +9

      I would welcome Paleontology Bastards episodes

    • @steelersguy74
      @steelersguy74 22 дні тому +4

      Bone Wars and one of the men’s initials are E. D.?

    • @taburde
      @taburde 22 дні тому +5

      @@steelersguy74even better, ED is short for Edward Drinker

    • @thisistherevolt
      @thisistherevolt 18 днів тому

      Miniminuteman would HAVE to be the guest

    • @technopoptart
      @technopoptart 16 днів тому

      i would love if margaret could be the guest for this hypothetical

  • @ms-literary6320
    @ms-literary6320 24 дні тому +16

    The only episode I ever watched of “Punked” back in the day was of a fake IRS raid. (Show’s premise FYI: celebrity gets put in a fake situation, secretly filmed, and then they tell them it’s fake and they’ve been punked). I think it was Justin Timberlake? I just remember him on the phone with his mom, freaking out as they wheel his stuff out the front door. It was honestly very sad. He started to cry when they took his dog. I did not continue to watch this show 😬

    • @technopoptart
      @technopoptart 16 днів тому

      soooo i i definitely dodged a bullet never seeing this show as a kid

  • @p0xus
    @p0xus 25 днів тому +12

    As a lifelong resident of Arkansas - I also do not like Arkansas very much.

  • @Whocareslol420
    @Whocareslol420 24 дні тому +7

    Reverse engineering biker meth back to sudafed, and having a stand-off with the FDA 😂 Molly truly understands Robert! ❤

  • @youmukonpaku3168
    @youmukonpaku3168 24 дні тому +15

    @21:00 I have actually seen a paper written by a bored chemist on the subject of reversing the process and making sudafed from street meth. The synthesis checks out, and the commentary was pretty funny (complaining about the difficulty of finding effective allergy medication, while meth is still in plentiful supply throughout the Midwest) but the site that hosted it got taken down because the feds don't have a sense of humor.

  • @noop1111
    @noop1111 25 днів тому +23

    Is it bad Juju to get baptized in a pond where someone drowned?

    • @CliffSedge-nu5fv
      @CliffSedge-nu5fv 25 днів тому

      There is a close to 100% chance that someone drowned in every body of water that has ever been used for baptism.
      Performing a baptism is more creepy/scary/spooky than someone drowning.

    • @RedSpade37
      @RedSpade37 24 дні тому +8

      No, but it's metal af

    • @RichWoods23
      @RichWoods23 23 дні тому +7

      @@RedSpade37 Metal is getting baptised in a swamp polluted with corroded barrels of hexavalent chromium. To the tune of Dio's "Holy Diver".

    • @AlbinoTuxedo
      @AlbinoTuxedo 21 день тому

      If you think about it, every body of water on earth has touched dead people. So everything is corpse water

    • @Wendy_O._Koopa
      @Wendy_O._Koopa 17 днів тому +1

      Naw man, if someone dies there, it like just proves that Heaven is accessible from that point.

  • @aerynmusick4548
    @aerynmusick4548 25 днів тому +12

    “There are a lot of reasons why this was bad!”
    I died 😂

  • @TPS9000
    @TPS9000 24 дні тому +6

    Regarding the deposits just under $10K, structuring payments to avoid the reporting requirements is against the law in its own right. The government doesn't think "oh, that means he's hiding something illegal, let's look into it", they think "that's illegal, let's arrest him". And Molly's right, that's absolutely getting written down. Bank employees are required to make Suspicious Activity Reports on that and similar shenanigans. I work in IT for a bank, and that's on everyone's annual required training, even if you don't deal with the money.

    • @williamchamberlain2263
      @williamchamberlain2263 21 день тому +2

      Plus it's really easy to spot with even basic pattern analysis on transactions

  • @roshango125ab
    @roshango125ab 24 дні тому +17

    This is what kills me about him defending the pedo. Let's say you found out a family member or one of your oldest, closest friends did something monstrous. It would be morally wrong to defend them or deny what they did. But I'd at least understand why you would want to. It's a hard thing to process when you trust someone you are close and they do that.
    But Jones was just a fucking guy. Just some dude Hovin hired to work on his park. He doesn't, have a relationship with him, he doesn't owe this guy anything. He's just going out of his way to defend a pedo. Like as i said, ethier way defending a pedo is wrong. But the motivation to do so tells you a lot about how little Kent thinks of the suffering of children

    • @justcallmejay12
      @justcallmejay12 18 днів тому

      What I find is that a lot of ultra-conservative people simply don't care about abuse of children the way that they should because they tend to view the world with a hierarchical, authoritative lens. Through this, despite their claims to want to protect them, children are the 'property' of their parents and are *always* at the bottom rung when it comes to power; even trying to help prevent kids from getting abused runs into issues because it often means teaching them that they can and should say 'no' to things and conservatives, especially religious ones, absolutely HATE that.

  • @christopherjustice6411
    @christopherjustice6411 26 днів тому +24

    Was not expecting Robert Evans to go after the same guy that Logicked went after back in the day.

    • @rodneysmith873
      @rodneysmith873 25 днів тому +4

      It's not really that impressive. Kent's an easy target.

    • @Sauvenil
      @Sauvenil 25 днів тому +1

      He was on the Non Sequitur Show a few times, even "debating" against Aron Ra.

    • @ChadAndrews-rz4ur
      @ChadAndrews-rz4ur 25 днів тому +1

      I loved "Hello I'm a Scientist" so much. RIP John Morris Pendleton

    • @ben5033
      @ben5033 24 дні тому

      KH has always been my favorite creationist. He and Ken Ham both came to my Southern Baptist church back in the day. He is legitimately entertaining, if you're on his side of things. Personally I do not believe that he's a complete grifter. I think he's pretty genuine.

    • @Daedalus117
      @Daedalus117 24 дні тому +2

      ​@@ben5033oh yeah, I can definitely buy that he actually believes the things he says. Him profiting off this bullshit in a calculated way doesn't mean he secretly believes in evolution or something

  • @themannaking
    @themannaking 25 днів тому +84

    But where is part 1?

    • @iHartTrains2312
      @iHartTrains2312 25 днів тому +3

      So confused, but rolling with it.

    • @daniellundberg2875
      @daniellundberg2875 25 днів тому +1

      They have accidentally upload things with the wrong number in the title at times, and sometimes a part two will use a different title than the first part, although this does not seem to be the case this time.

    • @BrandonPilcher
      @BrandonPilcher 25 днів тому +5

      You can find it on the Cool Zone Media website's "Behind the Bastards" page. I do hope they upload Part One onto UA-cam soon though.

    • @evilferris
      @evilferris 25 днів тому +1

      Working on new thumbnail… misplaced font folder… Please, standby.

    • @chris999999999999
      @chris999999999999 25 днів тому +8

      Only evolutionists like you would insist there's a part one without proof!
      /Kent Hovind mode off

  • @robderiche
    @robderiche 25 днів тому +13

    tax capital gains, not labor.

  • @simontmiers
    @simontmiers 25 днів тому +7

    hey Robert, thanks for the enjoyment and information (and true horror) you bring with your work on the pod, and very sorry to hear about your Dad.

  • @crow-dont-know
    @crow-dont-know 19 днів тому +1

    Listening to Kent talking about that child dying immediately after on his show, if you get a chance to, makes it chillingly apparent that the man has not the slightest idea what empathy is. It doesn’t even seem to cross his mind as even an abstract thought. Makes my skin crawl

  • @satyasyasatyasya5746
    @satyasyasatyasya5746 25 днів тому +23

    I wonder if AronRa will listen to this :D

  • @jayphailey
    @jayphailey 25 днів тому +3

    Now I have the concept of a "PDF File Lacroix" in my head. Thx, Robert

  • @fett01
    @fett01 23 дні тому +6

    This guy has Jordan Peterson voice

    • @lukelee7967
      @lukelee7967 23 дні тому +3

      OMFG, I've never noticed that about Hovind, you're right

    • @kennethmoore7770
      @kennethmoore7770 22 дні тому +1

      This was my first thought too

  • @TheJoeFactor
    @TheJoeFactor 22 дні тому +3

    Everyone should watch Professor Dave Farina debate Kent (on the prof Dave explains channel) before watching this. One, it doesn't give Kent any traffic on there, but second, hearing Kent's voice before all this makes it better, and third, hearing him slapped down and getting into this chucklef*cks head makes it even better

  • @XaurianQueen
    @XaurianQueen 26 днів тому +28

    Robert, my man, where us part one

    • @LuSquared_
      @LuSquared_ 25 днів тому +2

      This!

    • @sockmarionette4698
      @sockmarionette4698 25 днів тому +1

      I found it on their iHeart Radio page.

    • @dylanrodrigues
      @dylanrodrigues 25 днів тому +5

      It’s up on all podcast apps, king/queen/monarch

    • @bk83082
      @bk83082 25 днів тому +1

      ​@@dylanrodrigues now I actually have to hear about the products and services.

    • @casspurp
      @casspurp 25 днів тому +4

      Some of us don't want to download more apps just to get all episodes. :/

  • @THEHAR0LD
    @THEHAR0LD 24 дні тому +3

    20:44 Suda-Federation.

  • @reflexnight
    @reflexnight 14 днів тому

    Line from the Bat Man Cartoon, Mark Hamil's Joker "I'm crazy enough to take on Bat Man, But the IRS? No thank you!"

  • @TC-ht9gl
    @TC-ht9gl 25 днів тому +6

    It's pronounced "Kuh-Neck-Uh." Slight stress on the middle syllable.

    • @CliffSedge-nu5fv
      @CliffSedge-nu5fv 25 днів тому +5

      Weird way to pronounce Bumfuck Nowhere.

    • @TelenTerror
      @TelenTerror 25 днів тому +5

      @@CliffSedge-nu5fv I have been through Bumfuck Nowhere, it's in southeastern Arkansas. Conecuh County AL is "Not Much", like two steps up the ladder.

    • @spacedonut8157
      @spacedonut8157 23 дні тому

      There's a company in Conecuh that makes some great sausage. You can buy it in most grocery stores in Alabama. Other than that I don't think anything happens in Conecuh county.

  • @ThatNerdyTrucker
    @ThatNerdyTrucker 18 днів тому +2

    24:45 Well, I'll be danged..... I did not expect to hear my name in this......to be fair I was only there for memorial day weekend

  • @SteverenoOFFICIAL
    @SteverenoOFFICIAL 25 днів тому +10

    Wow, a bastard that i probably already know more dirt on than Robert will be able to tell

    • @calmc9655
      @calmc9655 22 дні тому +3

      Ooh, do tell 👀

    • @SteverenoOFFICIAL
      @SteverenoOFFICIAL 22 дні тому

      @calmc9655 let's see...
      - It is extremely likely he has had sex with another man. He is outwardly very homophobic and transphobic. And we are talking in the past 10 years and not as part of being in jail.
      - he strokes out like Mitch McConnell. It happened on his stream.
      - he is functionally illiterate.
      - his son Eric Hovind 'stole' his first ministry while Kent was in jail. Eric Hovind isn't good, but he did right there.
      - Kent shilled supplements as a cancer cure. I think it was apricot seeds. It was some seed that has arsenic in it, which is poison.
      - His tech guy for a while was on lots of drugs.
      Lesser things:
      - he calls himself Dr. Dino but doesn't even know what attributes make a dinosaur a dinosaur.
      - His dissertation starts "hello, my name is Kent Hovind."
      - in his stupid video series he'd use people's phone numbers as a citation.
      - he has a really weird way of saying "water."
      - Robert does mention how Kent is very dismissive of flat earth, which is just so ironic since Kent thinks the earth is 10,000 years old.

    • @crow-dont-know
      @crow-dont-know 19 днів тому +4

      Missed the stuff about him regularly admitting to physically abusing his kids.
      And how two of his three kids disowned him and don’t want shit to do with him anymore, which Kent is apparently very unhappy about, but the other kid, who happens to have a number of challenges due to being born very prematurely, has made loads of effort to try and have Kent in his life, but Kent doesn’t want that.
      Obviously he’s an antisemite (sells copies of _Protocols…_ on his website)

    • @SteverenoOFFICIAL
      @SteverenoOFFICIAL 19 днів тому +3

      @@crow-dont-know I was thinking there was something with 1 of his kids still being in contact, but I didn't remember it being so depressing.

    • @crow-dont-know
      @crow-dont-know 19 днів тому +3

      @@SteverenoOFFICIAL Yeh, Kent’s also said shit like, “I have two and a half kids”. Makes me livid to think about.

  • @jamesmay217
    @jamesmay217 22 дні тому +2

    Great overview! So much to cover but one interesting correction/tangent. Jo didn't file for divorce until after Kent's release from prison.
    While in prison Kent transfered a lot of property, physical and intellectual, to his son Eric to quasi-legally avoid government seizure. Eric, to this day, runs his own nearly carbon coppied version of Kent's grift minus the sovcit nonsense. He also has real accountants and lawyers so he's set up as a "real" ministry and avoids taxes the legal way.
    Anyway when Kent gets out he claims Jo isn't "wifely" enough (disgusting) despite her sticking with him through his incarceration and spending over a year inside herself for actually doing a lot of the structured withdrawls. Kent also wants to basically recllaim all his property and take over Eric's "ministry" to be run exactly the way it was before his time in prison. Because of this level of, literally, criminal narcissism Jo filed for divirce and Eric kicked him out of his life. Of course, to Kent, it was no fault divorce laws to blame and also maybe at the same time as all this he met and may have started a relationship with the woman who would be wife #2.
    Over all great guy 10/10 would recomend kids visit the compound.

  • @neospouro6824
    @neospouro6824 12 днів тому

    maybe it was a blessing in disguise that when I took the round trip amtrak down to Texas to see my partner that I was unable to see the landscape of Arkansas as it was pitch black both times and also had no cellular service

  • @PunishmentDumplin
    @PunishmentDumplin 18 днів тому

    There were no Lifeguards back when people rode dinosaurs.

  • @waywardscythe3358
    @waywardscythe3358 25 днів тому +3

    Theres a good argument to be made that kent is illiterate. His "dissertation" was likely dictated and taken down by a poor intern

    • @crow-dont-know
      @crow-dont-know 19 днів тому

      It was dictated. If I remember correctly it was done so by his neighbours daughter, but not 100% sure on that

  • @Cathowl
    @Cathowl 24 дні тому +1

    It is nice to hear about one of the people covered on this show receiving actual consequences. As too many of the people in the German child rearing videos didn't get...

  • @robertkarnick1286
    @robertkarnick1286 21 день тому +1

    “He’s the guy with the good fake Bible dinosaur park”

  • @Shut.Eye.Cinema
    @Shut.Eye.Cinema 25 днів тому +9

    Why is there no part 1?

  • @stuartsmith4369
    @stuartsmith4369 14 днів тому

    Kent says that dinosaurs had sharp teeth to crack open coconuts.

  • @mattgilbert7347
    @mattgilbert7347 25 днів тому +1

    Part 1???

  • @bfish89ryuhayabusa
    @bfish89ryuhayabusa 22 дні тому

    Wow, a throw to ads that doesn't start with "...but you know who WON'T" in that tone!

  • @wyrmoffastring
    @wyrmoffastring 15 днів тому

    listening to this on otc sudafed cus I'm in a country that lets me have this and also otc codeine

  • @dylanrodrigues
    @dylanrodrigues 23 дні тому

    Oh God, next episode is gonna be on Jefferson?

  • @BarkleyBCooltimes
    @BarkleyBCooltimes 21 день тому

    Now I need to watch Kent's show to see Robert Evans on Wack an Atheist. Or Kent's segment where he mocks someone who calls him out.

  • @jayphailey
    @jayphailey 25 днів тому +1

    I love Molly Conger in the CZM world

  • @KS-PNW
    @KS-PNW 21 день тому

    As a Washington state resident I can confirm WSP is kinda sus..

  • @BeastNationXIV
    @BeastNationXIV 25 днів тому +3

    I was wondering if he ever had anything on Kent. 😂

  • @jkoehler82
    @jkoehler82 21 день тому

    The whole "I don't understand what I'm being charged with..." Line has to do with a Sovcit Reverse Uno card play that they think works. Everytime someone asks if "you understand" they are actually asking if you stand under my authority? So by saying you don't understand it is meant to be a variant of refusing to contract.

  • @nikolasrhine3252
    @nikolasrhine3252 25 днів тому +1

    So should I watch this series in release or numbered order?

    • @dylanrodrigues
      @dylanrodrigues 25 днів тому +2

      Number order, you'll miss some context that part 1 has

  • @williamchamberlain2263
    @williamchamberlain2263 21 день тому +1

    Kent has such huge daddy issues

    • @TelenTerror
      @TelenTerror 18 днів тому

      And caused them in his son, too

  • @paulisfat8077
    @paulisfat8077 25 днів тому +5

    It's not surprising kent would unalive a kid.

    • @Ulubai
      @Ulubai 25 днів тому +5

      It's surprising it's only happened once

    • @TheNotoriousBTG
      @TheNotoriousBTG 25 днів тому +4

      But it's okay because the rest of the family had fun, and the dad brought the other kids back. Or, that's basically how Kent sees it.

    • @billmozart7288
      @billmozart7288 25 днів тому

      Especially after all the alleged regular child abuse

    • @steelersguy74
      @steelersguy74 22 дні тому +2

      He sent the kid to Jesus so it worked out in the end.

  • @paulpinecone2464
    @paulpinecone2464 18 днів тому

    "The lowest per annum death rate of any religious dinosaur theme park in the state of Arkansas and/or Alabama. That we know of."

  • @christophernugent8492
    @christophernugent8492 7 днів тому

    Does Robert have any specific complaints against Arkansas, or is it just general disdain?

  • @ladyaj7784
    @ladyaj7784 25 днів тому +1

    L. Ron Hubbard can't even... 😤🫸

  • @OnnieKoski
    @OnnieKoski 19 днів тому

    If you make DayQuil work again, I will buy you the land

  • @Findecommie
    @Findecommie 22 дні тому +2

    idk if this applies to every state but you can still buy OG Sudafed in the US, you have to 1) go to the counter at a pharmacy and then 2) when they ask if whatever the brand name for the phenylephrine version is ok, say no, you want to buy the pseudephedrine version, and 3) show a valid ID (or a good enough fake, I'm not a cop lmao)

  • @ChadAndrews-rz4ur
    @ChadAndrews-rz4ur 25 днів тому

    My parents inherited some land down in Riverside county that's not worth paying the taxes on. You can have it if you want it.

  • @Taskicore
    @Taskicore 25 днів тому +2

    where part one

  • @jerrythurston4644
    @jerrythurston4644 22 дні тому +2

    Why do so many of these bastards sound just like Kermit the Frog?

    • @mbbiboux
      @mbbiboux 20 днів тому

      Kermit was never as condescending as Kent Hovind.

  • @27BLUSH
    @27BLUSH 8 днів тому

    Why does he kinda sound like Jordan Peterson?

  • @arvo_septus
    @arvo_septus 22 дні тому

    I'm surprised he didn't go over his son Eric who basically stole everything from him and proceeded to do the exact same speeches.

    • @crow-dont-know
      @crow-dont-know 19 днів тому

      To Eric’s credit, he doesn’t seem to be anywhere near as giant a pos as his dad. Kent has mentioned a number of times being violent or threatening violence toward Eric as a child, so I’m willing to be mildly sympathetic to the guy. He’s cut Kent out of his life and while he still does apologetics, he’s moved into doing more presuppositionalist stuff and away from Kent’s script, which he did when he was younger. I’ve seen some of the stuff Paulogia (UA-cam atheist) has done with him and he doesn’t give the impression of being sociopathic like Kent - just wrong

    • @arvo_septus
      @arvo_septus 19 днів тому +1

      @@crow-dont-know I agree that he doesn't seem to be a sociopath like Kent. But it's still a funny story.

  • @Wendy_O._Koopa
    @Wendy_O._Koopa 17 днів тому

    I just wanna point out that you _technically_ don't know how many of the other people were serious. I mean, chances are, someone saw you excitedly riding the triceratops and thought "look at that Christian Fundamentalist!" Which is funny in some sort of ironic way... but I guess it really doesn't have much to do with anything.

  • @lukelee7967
    @lukelee7967 23 дні тому

    I don't know when it was made illegal to play strip poker with children. I'm going to guess it wasn't made illegal soon enough. We should have all been settled on that being wrong a long time before laws were written against it. But I'm going to guess it was illegal by the time that creep did that.

    • @Wendy_O._Koopa
      @Wendy_O._Koopa 17 днів тому

      Why is strip poker even a thing? Like is there ever a time or place where you literally have no other objects around that can stand in for currency? Use grapes, or M&Ms, or Amiibos... anything other than clothes, was this just the plot to a bad prawn video that caught on somehow?

    • @lukelee7967
      @lukelee7967 17 днів тому

      @@Wendy_O._Koopa I don't even want to know how it became a thing

  • @joshridinger3407
    @joshridinger3407 22 дні тому

    hypothetically, i don't have a problem with theft evasion, but have some gad damned infosec. don't brag about crimes online.

  • @byronic-heroine
    @byronic-heroine 21 день тому +1

    I think I hate this guy more than anyone on this podcast so far.

    • @ThatNerdyTrucker
      @ThatNerdyTrucker 18 днів тому

      How do you think I feel about him...... I'm the Billy that outed him for his weird friendship with Chris.... getting introduced to someone convicted of those crime kinda sticks with you