I've been needing this video for a while! I'd assumed it already existed and that I hadn't scoured the Schildwache Potsdam video list thoroughly enough. I'm glad to have finally seen it.
There was something we recorded when doing the guards of Giovanni dall'Agocchie (as a fun experiment to try to use his solo sword exercises two-handed). But yeah, I am glad we did this one here finally. :)
We hope you enjoyed this video :) To help us producing more, you can support us on patreon and get early access! www.patreon.com/SchildwachePotsdam P.S.: I omitted two positions because there are not really relevant within Marozzo's Plays, neither are they depicted or anything. I have a theory on Porta di ferro acorata, but any interpretation currently on Guardia di Stella is pure speculation 😜
@@SilentEagle Thanks! Well, we can't know for sure, so anything here is pure speculation. Maybe it's a variant of guardia di faccia, that actually lets you collect an opponent's mandritto to do a direct counterthrust?
I'd love a video like the full course at home for the longsword, just started to get into longsword and reading books but it is always nice to have good video references =)
Especially when there is room for interpretation I feel it's better to look in concentric circles (of time and space) around the source material instead of just making shit up.^^
German guys look at this and be like :"nah, i only see 4 guards" Jokes aside, the amount of guards in Marozzo's system is insane, not to mention this is just 2 handed sword section. It's incredible to even remember and used all of them exactly like in the manual
Thank you! I fear I forgot the one against poleweapons, since it's not in his guard descriptions 🙈But well, at least that one is depicted right when it's used.
Nice! Although there's some simplification that we do in our school. Guardia di Fianche/Fianco is... one of those weird ones where we don't really know and we only bothered with it in two swords. Guardia de Crocce and Guardia de Becca Cesa/Possa are all basically just Guardia di Alicorno, Crocce is really only distinct in Marozzo's Ronca we find. Guardia di Gombito is again one we only ever used in two swords really, as in longsword/sword alone/sword and companion it's basically the same as Guardia di Sotto il Braccio, just higher on the body. Guardia di Spalla is just Guardia di Sopra il Braccio, we don't have a right shoulder version of it. We also do our Guardia Porta di Ferro e Larga (or Longa in some versions) with the pommel online rather than offline. I'm not familiar with Guardia de Consentire. It's in the original Italian but it's not something covered in the translation I have or that we've learned; it looks like one of those transitional points that's "technically listed as a guard but not really a guard" in giving a falso from Porta de Ferro. Can you elaborate on it?
Guardia di Consentire is quite puzzling. It's explicitly used only in the 10th part of the Primo Assalto and in the 6th part of the Secondo Assalto (a few more if we consider contextual application). We know it's formed with the left leg forward and with a turn of the body to the right. What follows is either a turn to the left into Guardia de Intrare in largo passo or into Guardia di Testa. Considering sword position we can only pretty much exclude a point up position on our left (since that does not make sense while turning right). So, it could be hanging left or right or point up on the right. Since the first two principles are already present in Intrare and Becca, I opted for point up on the right, resembling Philippo di Vadi's Posta di Vera Finestra. I also opted for this one, since going from there directly into GdI is an action that I found useful in my fencing.
One clear fault compared to the illustrations which is easily done because single sword is different from two-handed in this case. Coda Longa e Larga is not as you showed (like coda longa alta but point down) It's basically like Distesa, but with right leg forward, point towards back/side. You can look at it like alta/distesa being online and offline point with left lead and stretta/larga being same but right lead.
Interestingly enough, while the depiction shows CLL right leg forward, Marozzo writes of it in Ch. 168 as left foot forward and uses it in his second Assalto and Ch. 177 with the left leg forward. He even writes along the lines if you throw a riverso with your right leg forward and the sword falls outside the right leg it's called coda lunga e stretta. So either the depiction is wrong or his text - I tend to trust the text a bit more as it's consistent, but I think as long as the blade is low and the right hand on the outside of the right knee, it's coda lunga e larga. If it points back it's distesa.
To be fair Marozzo only goes into detail about Porta di Ferro (larga / stretta / alta), Guardia de Intrare in largo passo and Guardia di Testa, while saying that these last two are great to be found in or to find your opponent.^^
The different colored socks are unbelievably helpful in keeping track of which foot is forward. I really hope that practice catches on.
That's the plan :) Thank you!
@@SchildwachePotsdam very clever and very helpful. Thanks
I love this. It's like a synthesis of Fiore and Vadi but into a standardised pattern.
There is certainly a clear heritage of guard names visable 😊
Loving the two perspectives. Makes everything very clear, thanks!
My pleasure!
I've been needing this video for a while! I'd assumed it already existed and that I hadn't scoured the Schildwache Potsdam video list thoroughly enough. I'm glad to have finally seen it.
There was something we recorded when doing the guards of Giovanni dall'Agocchie (as a fun experiment to try to use his solo sword exercises two-handed). But yeah, I am glad we did this one here finally. :)
We hope you enjoyed this video :) To help us producing more, you can support us on patreon and get early access! www.patreon.com/SchildwachePotsdam
P.S.: I omitted two positions because there are not really relevant within Marozzo's Plays, neither are they depicted or anything. I have a theory on Porta di ferro acorata, but any interpretation currently on Guardia di Stella is pure speculation 😜
Thank you for that clear interpretation.
What do you think of the anonymous guard displayed between the 2nd and 3rd assaults?
@@SilentEagle Thanks! Well, we can't know for sure, so anything here is pure speculation. Maybe it's a variant of guardia di faccia, that actually lets you collect an opponent's mandritto to do a direct counterthrust?
Every now and then we try and invent guardia di stella. It's becoming more and more ridiculous every time we do!
Also: What is your favorite position to fight from?
I'd love a video like the full course at home for the longsword, just started to get into longsword and reading books but it is always nice to have good video references =)
Noted!
Can see some Fiore and Vadi in there. Nothing earth-shattering, just makes sense!
Especially when there is room for interpretation I feel it's better to look in concentric circles (of time and space) around the source material instead of just making shit up.^^
you guys are awesome, i love this series of videos!!
Hätte nicht gedacht, dass Marozzo so detailliert mit den Guards ist. Sehr cooler Einblick in das System. Macht Lust auf mehr!
Es macht auf jeden Fall richtig Bock und ich finde zumindest, dass es sich auch effektiv fechten lässt 😊
German guys look at this and be like :"nah, i only see 4 guards"
Jokes aside, the amount of guards in Marozzo's system is insane, not to mention this is just 2 handed sword section. It's incredible to even remember and used all of them exactly like in the manual
Thank you! I fear I forgot the one against poleweapons, since it's not in his guard descriptions 🙈But well, at least that one is depicted right when it's used.
Really beautiful depiction of the guards. Bravo, friends!
Thank you!
Beautiful as always.
Thank you ❤️
Excellent overview, thanks!
I'm glad if it's useful!
Very nice!
Thank you! :)
That was amazing thank you.
My pleasure ❤️⚔️
great elaborate ! love from China
Nice! Although there's some simplification that we do in our school. Guardia di Fianche/Fianco is... one of those weird ones where we don't really know and we only bothered with it in two swords. Guardia de Crocce and Guardia de Becca Cesa/Possa are all basically just Guardia di Alicorno, Crocce is really only distinct in Marozzo's Ronca we find. Guardia di Gombito is again one we only ever used in two swords really, as in longsword/sword alone/sword and companion it's basically the same as Guardia di Sotto il Braccio, just higher on the body. Guardia di Spalla is just Guardia di Sopra il Braccio, we don't have a right shoulder version of it. We also do our Guardia Porta di Ferro e Larga (or Longa in some versions) with the pommel online rather than offline.
I'm not familiar with Guardia de Consentire. It's in the original Italian but it's not something covered in the translation I have or that we've learned; it looks like one of those transitional points that's "technically listed as a guard but not really a guard" in giving a falso from Porta de Ferro. Can you elaborate on it?
Guardia di Consentire is quite puzzling. It's explicitly used only in the 10th part of the Primo Assalto and in the 6th part of the Secondo Assalto (a few more if we consider contextual application). We know it's formed with the left leg forward and with a turn of the body to the right. What follows is either a turn to the left into Guardia de Intrare in largo passo or into Guardia di Testa. Considering sword position we can only pretty much exclude a point up position on our left (since that does not make sense while turning right). So, it could be hanging left or right or point up on the right. Since the first two principles are already present in Intrare and Becca, I opted for point up on the right, resembling Philippo di Vadi's Posta di Vera Finestra. I also opted for this one, since going from there directly into GdI is an action that I found useful in my fencing.
Wow beautiful and informative
Thank you very much 😊
If one wanted to study Marozzo, is there a book you could recommend?
Jherek Swanger's Translation is quite excellent ☺️ it's available on lulu.com
One clear fault compared to the illustrations which is easily done because single sword is different from two-handed in this case.
Coda Longa e Larga is not as you showed (like coda longa alta but point down)
It's basically like Distesa, but with right leg forward, point towards back/side.
You can look at it like alta/distesa being online and offline point with left lead and stretta/larga being same but right lead.
Interestingly enough, while the depiction shows CLL right leg forward, Marozzo writes of it in Ch. 168 as left foot forward and uses it in his second Assalto and Ch. 177 with the left leg forward. He even writes along the lines if you throw a riverso with your right leg forward and the sword falls outside the right leg it's called coda lunga e stretta. So either the depiction is wrong or his text - I tend to trust the text a bit more as it's consistent, but I think as long as the blade is low and the right hand on the outside of the right knee, it's coda lunga e larga. If it points back it's distesa.
@@SchildwachePotsdam marozzo being marozzo as usual
Liechtenauer be like: All you need is four. :D
To be fair Marozzo only goes into detail about Porta di Ferro (larga / stretta / alta), Guardia de Intrare in largo passo and Guardia di Testa, while saying that these last two are great to be found in or to find your opponent.^^