I remember finding two glitches for the engineer. The first one makes it so that the jackhammer audio plays when you aren't on the jackhammer. I think that you have to use the jackhammer and then immediately get rid of the jackhammer. Doing that makes the jackhammer audio play while you aren't even on the jackhammer. The second one makes the engineer's weapon be inside his model. I've only tried it with regular engineer and sanitation expert. You just have to quickly use and get rid of the jackhammer and then immediately use the bolt blaster and get rid of it. You have to do it very quickly, and then you have the engineer weapon in the engineer model. It doesn't affect gameplay though.
3:02 fun fact you can get to an area which has a unused quest person or whatever you call them called branched zomboss And you’ll have dialogue saying I do not have any quests in will you come back later
Can you provide instructions on how to get there? Just like simple directions if possible, although I can see why it'd be hard to explain in such a glitched environment
So I actually tried the immunity to water one and went into the sewers It worked (kinda) instead of being an insta-kill it did damage periodically, with seemingly random increments, you can last about 2 seconds I tested trying it with the invisibility glitch but it didn’t change anything surprisingly (possibly because damage from the map doesn’t count)
I remember the zombie plant glitch, we called it the team-swap glitch, I always used to have peashooter vs peashooter or corn vs corn 1v1s with my friends, we had that glitch down to a SCIENCE. We even figured out you can also turn zombies into plants by ourselves, the glitch got pretty easy after a while.
We always combined glitches together, if you do the sewers out of bounds glitch and go over to under the flag, there is a bit of a pipe or something sticking out, if you stand on it you can revive players above it, and combined with the team glitch, any plant or zombie can get out of bounds.
Hey Noah thanks for the immortality glitch, I’ve apparently found an old video and apparently when I start up the game I always do it so yeah thanks for the tip
Can you use the team swap glitch, pair it with the damage booster glitch and have plants being goatified, giving them the damage boost when flag is lost? Because that would make levelling as a plant easier
There is a way to do the team swap glitch in Solo. Go to ZomBurger, and talk to the goat and open the options menu at the same time. Hold the left joystick to the left, and then spam A and Y. Then, quickly choose a quest before your game crashes. Then, if you hear a plant noise while the notebook is purple, then you did the glitch. Let the quest end, and you're done!
There is a much easier way to do the glitch in number 8, you can skip jumping above the sewers, in the sewers, there is a little area sort of behind the old Rux location with a chest and a snow globe, if you go to the corner to the right of the chest, you can aim in the middle of the bar on the side of the chest to place your dummy, then you can turn around and wait until your camera heavily zooms into the wall, and when it does you sprint tackle, this glitch is very consistent, and I'm very bad at explaining things in text so if this was hard to follow I have a vid of the glitch on my channel
You can combine the flag glitch with the invincibility glitch to farm zombie xp fast. Just do the flag glitch first, get invincible, then run into the plant base and kill all the bosses you want. (Haven’t tried but you might be able to do it with plants if you do the team switch glitch)
You can do it since I had a friend do the team swap glitch and then they turned me into a goat as commando pea and then I went to do the invincibility glitch and I was farming exp
You can actually stack the flag of power damage glitch by having the zombie start the flag of power first and doing the glitch but then after, you have the rose start the flag of power and do the glitch leading to 6x damage! ps: you can also combine team swap glitch with flag of power glitch to get the 6x damage as a plant
@@connertomaterhater6691 But you don't respawn after the damage glitch. You do the team swap first and then the damage glitch with no respawning in between
Unless you mean getting the 6x damage, in that case you do the damage glitch first by raising the flag of power as zombies and getting goatified as it ends, and then you DON"T RESPAWN and the rose who goatified you starts the flag of power and then they goatify you when the flag of power is about to end again
I remember one glitch that allowed you to go into a mission on the opposite team by pressing pause and talking to them at the same time. Not very useful, but can be pretty amusing.
There's this one glitch I found where if you toggle your aim to be tap instead of hold, use Super Brainz, and ready the Heroic Beam, hold fire, and jump; you'll end up firing the beam. Not useful, but I sure do love showing it off. XD
i always get to the last point but when i jump down as soon as im about to glitch through the floor into the gnome room it sends me down into it and halfway through i get send up
I found a glitch where you can make all the solo missions multiplayer like the ops and boss hunts, so you can have 4 players + 3 bots at once playing it (pretty insane) but my xbox broke down and I only have my PC and nobody plays pc, so I don’t know how I could showcase this glitch to others :(
@@noahstarves I found it from a video as well but barely anyone watched it and it’s the only one about it, I’ll try to find it again but I never managed to find it yet again because it’s very buried
@@noahstarves yo, I can try to do it since it’s on steam now, but I don’t have any friends to do it, I could probably upload a video solo doing it on pc and you can try it with your friends and see if it works would that help?
I really wonder why there aren't any infinite money glitches in this game even though it hasn't been updated for like a year. It only has the one time 500k glitch and some boloney stuff that gives you 2500 per 5min. which isn't really worth it
A quick glitch that if mastered can make cosmic brainz easily the undisputed best super brainz if mastered and experimented with. As you probably know, cosmic brainz' fully charged punch does 77 damage with the upgrade which is a lot of damage. Now if you could do this much damage each time you do a mini jump, you could decimate opponents. Heres where the glitch comes into play: if you charge the punch until it reaches the maximum and keep jumping, half of the jumps release the punch without charging. Now whether or not this does damage I can't confirm however if you can replicate this glitch to the point where you can fully spam charged punches each jump, there are no developers who can stop you.
There’s another glitch me and my friends found back in 2017 and it’s pretty similar to the Pea jump with the bomb but instead you shoot the bomb near your feet and just stand on top of it and 2 chances can occur, it will throw you across the map (this is random towards how fast or the distance it will throw you at) and teleport you (it’s basically the same and it throws you really fast to the point the game can’t control how fast you’re going so it just teleports you instead) We spent literally hours and hours doing this glitch to see how far we could go but the best thing you can use this exact glitch to get to very high points of the map if you get really lucky to which it wanna throw you at. The best we’ve seen what the glitch can do is the giant home tree you can get up on the branch near the top if you’re patient enough to do it. Once we got up there we watched our friend do this glitch and it launched him so far it basically just spawned him below us and then immediately crashed his game. It was so funny we tried to recreate it so many times but it’s so random that it’s impossible for us to do it again.
I know a glitch for garden operation like cement offline that consists of respawning 3 more hero plants and thus having a total of 6 heroes in operation.
For #8 you can do the glitch but in a different area and is quicker, and it’s the little corner area above the hole to the gnome area and behind the chest you use the dummy then sprint tackle, then you should be really close to it
How about the sombrero bean bomb jump? You throw it down jump on it and then it launches you into the sky. You can literally get on top of the backyard.
Ok the rose glitch is possible without a friend but it takes a while and but it still gives you the 3x - 4x and it only works with zombies but I’d recommend the immortality glitch trying to do it
Dude, do you know how to get the immortal glitch if you’re on zombie sorry to stay away from a Rose immediately, because if then, that means your character will turn into a girl and you will lose your immortal mode
idk if this glitch works will work other people but if you become a zombie and go to burger brains thing and talk to the goat and continue to fail and repeat the second quest theres a chance the the your timer doesn’t work, and the pros is that you get to run around as a goat that has op damage and the cannon launches you super high, cons the have to go wait a while before you can use the cannon and you health is pretty bad
There is a way better switch team glitch u can do solo using zomburger Basically u go to zomburger as a zombie then talk to him and immediately go into menu and press respawn then u do the character team switch thing and then mash x or a depending on console to start the mission wait for mission to fail then u will come out on the opposite team with which ever character u did the switch team and select at the same time on this works for both sides
bro i discowered the best glich in pvzgw2 when u buy somthing with real money (its not working at coins pack) and friend join you then you both must open sticker shop and just open presents
#9 can be used for the Flag of Power glitch. Which is usually very biased towards the zombies... You can get to Max rank without ever having to touch multiplayer with the backyard team swap goatify. lmao
Thanks for the invincibility glitch I’m gonna grind every single character in the game with this method by killing Plants Boss’ in Plants base🎉🎉🎉(It makes under 30 mins I’m grinding Centurion and he’s already level 9!)
The damage boost stacks? Also there's a way to do it by yourself if you have no friends. Just wait for the rose wave and let them turn you into a goat. Also in order to stack it do you just do the glitch again normally?
Bro, the only reason l play this game nowadays is because of glitches, l just love breaking the reality in these games, also does the number 1 glitch still work?
you chose a very inconsistent way to do the team swap glitch. Spamming the buttons are really inconsistent. This example is for xbox but it works with the different buttons on all ones of course. Whilst holding LS-right to the right press Y then A in very quick succession to each other. This is much more consistent
I also have another glitch i found: When your dinosaur bot goes flying,press right 1(R1) (or Left 1(l1)or whatever the smash ability is), all of the zombies/gnomes goes flying
Unfortunately the sunflower glitch where u can have an infinite amount of sunflowers to heal you hasn't been working for years and thus not on the list.
NOTE TO EVERYONE DONT DO THE IMMORTALITY GLITCH BEFORE THE ROSE DAMAGE GLITCH do it after the rose damage and that way you don't have to do the immortal glitch again
The morph glitch gives access to the best character in the game: T-Pose Engineer.
OH YES!
Does it actually make you stronger
YYYEEEEEEAAAAAASSS
@@EliteCameraBuddy heck yes.
What is t pose engineer
I remember finding two glitches for the engineer. The first one makes it so that the jackhammer audio plays when you aren't on the jackhammer. I think that you have to use the jackhammer and then immediately get rid of the jackhammer. Doing that makes the jackhammer audio play while you aren't even on the jackhammer. The second one makes the engineer's weapon be inside his model. I've only tried it with regular engineer and sanitation expert. You just have to quickly use and get rid of the jackhammer and then immediately use the bolt blaster and get rid of it. You have to do it very quickly, and then you have the engineer weapon in the engineer model. It doesn't affect gameplay though.
Try not to say jackhammer challenge (fail)
That’s a weird glitch wtf never heard of it lol
@@noahstarves funni reply
For #9 If you hold right on the d-pad, and press Y then immediately press A, you can get the glitch more consistently.
+1
3:02 fun fact you can get to an area which has a unused quest person or whatever you call them called branched zomboss And you’ll have dialogue saying I do not have any quests in will you come back later
Can you provide instructions on how to get there? Just like simple directions if possible, although I can see why it'd be hard to explain in such a glitched environment
So I actually tried the immunity to water one and went into the sewers
It worked (kinda) instead of being an insta-kill it did damage periodically, with seemingly random increments, you can last about 2 seconds
I tested trying it with the invisibility glitch but it didn’t change anything surprisingly (possibly because damage from the map doesn’t count)
Good to know! I didn’t experience any of these glitches so thank you for your feedback
@@noahstarves no problem :D
@@noahstarvescan you do flag of power with the glitch
Best glitch in the Game is the one that allows you to put the infinity time on easy mode
I remember the zombie plant glitch, we called it the team-swap glitch, I always used to have peashooter vs peashooter or corn vs corn 1v1s with my friends, we had that glitch down to a SCIENCE. We even figured out you can also turn zombies into plants by ourselves, the glitch got pretty easy after a while.
We always combined glitches together, if you do the sewers out of bounds glitch and go over to under the flag, there is a bit of a pipe or something sticking out, if you stand on it you can revive players above it, and combined with the team glitch, any plant or zombie can get out of bounds.
How do you do it by yourself that'd be helpful
@@Salted_Rice223 you cant unfortunately, it's a multiplayer-only thing
@@snatcher226 well you can with the imp by using your mech
@@EliteCameraBuddy ? I've never heard of this, are there any videos documenting it.
Hey Noah thanks for the immortality glitch, I’ve apparently found an old video and apparently when I start up the game I always do it so yeah thanks for the tip
4:04 im a gnome
Can you use the team swap glitch, pair it with the damage booster glitch and have plants being goatified, giving them the damage boost when flag is lost? Because that would make levelling as a plant easier
Yes
Hello, in the minute 6:56 can you tell me the name of that mod that makes the game look this good? Thank you
There is a way to do the team swap glitch in Solo.
Go to ZomBurger, and talk to the goat and open the options menu at the same time. Hold the left joystick to the left, and then spam A and Y. Then, quickly choose a quest before your game crashes. Then, if you hear a plant noise while the notebook is purple, then you did the glitch. Let the quest end, and you're done!
Do you have to hover over the respawn option when in the menu
@@kieranhouliston3065 yeah
There is a much easier way to do the glitch in number 8, you can skip jumping above the sewers, in the sewers, there is a little area sort of behind the old Rux location with a chest and a snow globe, if you go to the corner to the right of the chest, you can aim in the middle of the bar on the side of the chest to place your dummy, then you can turn around and wait until your camera heavily zooms into the wall, and when it does you sprint tackle, this glitch is very consistent, and I'm very bad at explaining things in text so if this was hard to follow I have a vid of the glitch on my channel
I don't see the video
@@dripdripluffy looks like i accidently unlisted that video, if you want to see it its back up now
I don't see the video
Thank you so much
I ACTUALLY DID IT THANK YOU OMG I WAS DOING THAT FOR 3 HOURS🙏🙏🙏
You can combine the flag glitch with the invincibility glitch to farm zombie xp fast. Just do the flag glitch first, get invincible, then run into the plant base and kill all the bosses you want. (Haven’t tried but you might be able to do it with plants if you do the team switch glitch)
You can do it since I had a friend do the team swap glitch and then they turned me into a goat as commando pea and then I went to do the invincibility glitch and I was farming exp
I tried using it to farm coins, which obviously takes too long, then I found out about the infinite chest farm glitch
i have been playing for 5 years and have never seen that citron hat at 6:44. was it an event item?
For the bean bomb jump it always works fine for me if I continually hold forward
You can actually stack the flag of power damage glitch by having the zombie start the flag of power first and doing the glitch but then after, you have the rose start the flag of power and do the glitch leading to 6x damage!
ps: you can also combine team swap glitch with flag of power glitch to get the 6x damage as a plant
This is false I conducted some experiments and the results were as follows : switching teams removes the effect and the glitch does not stack.
@@connertomaterhater6691 No you switch teams first and then attempt the glitch
@@minecraftmangopup Any kind of respawning will get rid of the glitch which includes switching teams.
@@connertomaterhater6691 But you don't respawn after the damage glitch. You do the team swap first and then the damage glitch with no respawning in between
Unless you mean getting the 6x damage, in that case you do the damage glitch first by raising the flag of power as zombies and getting goatified as it ends, and then you DON"T RESPAWN and the rose who goatified you starts the flag of power and then they goatify you when the flag of power is about to end again
I remember one glitch that allowed you to go into a mission on the opposite team by pressing pause and talking to them at the same time. Not very useful, but can be pretty amusing.
I mean if you do at the end or beat it you could play it with friends
There's this one glitch I found where if you toggle your aim to be tap instead of hold, use Super Brainz, and ready the Heroic Beam, hold fire, and jump; you'll end up firing the beam.
Not useful, but I sure do love showing it off. XD
For #4 quick reminder that if you go into the goop in the sewers, you will take damage.
i always get to the last point but when i jump down as soon as im about to glitch through the floor into the gnome room it sends me down into it and halfway through i get send up
I really liked your video this will help out a lot though you did forget the mixed up abilities glitch
I found a glitch where you can make all the solo missions multiplayer like the ops and boss hunts, so you can have 4 players + 3 bots at once playing it (pretty insane) but my xbox broke down and I only have my PC and nobody plays pc, so I don’t know how I could showcase this glitch to others :(
If I make another video about glitches, I’ll be sure to look this up and try it out.
@@noahstarves I found it from a video as well but barely anyone watched it and it’s the only one about it, I’ll try to find it again but I never managed to find it yet again because it’s very buried
@@noahstarves yo, I can try to do it since it’s on steam now, but I don’t have any friends to do it, I could probably upload a video solo doing it on pc and you can try it with your friends and see if it works
would that help?
I discovered a glitch in the Hypno flower Boss Hunt if you eat the party flower while in the Z- Meck and you will stay as a goat but just as an imp.
can you do the team swap glitch on keyboard and mouse?
Better than WatchMojo and top 10 gaming no cap
I remember the all star sewer glitch 4 years ago. Someone taught me online lol
0:29 does anyone know what this is called, the song.
Garden Warfate 2 Infinity time Gnome King Version 2
@@noahstarves thx man
I really wonder why there aren't any infinite money glitches in this game even though it hasn't been updated for like a year. It only has the one time 500k glitch and some boloney stuff that gives you 2500 per 5min. which isn't really worth it
I went under the map on wall nut hills once. It was first point and I was warping on to it as a scientist and I just fell through
Does the morph glitch work if you switch teams?
A quick glitch that if mastered can make cosmic brainz easily the undisputed best super brainz if mastered and experimented with. As you probably know, cosmic brainz' fully charged punch does 77 damage with the upgrade which is a lot of damage. Now if you could do this much damage each time you do a mini jump, you could decimate opponents. Heres where the glitch comes into play: if you charge the punch until it reaches the maximum and keep jumping, half of the jumps release the punch without charging. Now whether or not this does damage I can't confirm however if you can replicate this glitch to the point where you can fully spam charged punches each jump, there are no developers who can stop you.
There’s another glitch me and my friends found back in 2017 and it’s pretty similar to the Pea jump with the bomb but instead you shoot the bomb near your feet and just stand on top of it and 2 chances can occur, it will throw you across the map (this is random towards how fast or the distance it will throw you at) and teleport you (it’s basically the same and it throws you really fast to the point the game can’t control how fast you’re going so it just teleports you instead)
We spent literally hours and hours doing this glitch to see how far we could go but the best thing you can use this exact glitch to get to very high points of the map if you get really lucky to which it wanna throw you at. The best we’ve seen what the glitch can do is the giant home tree you can get up on the branch near the top if you’re patient enough to do it. Once we got up there we watched our friend do this glitch and it launched him so far it basically just spawned him below us and then immediately crashed his game. It was so funny we tried to recreate it so many times but it’s so random that it’s impossible for us to do it again.
I remember getting a GIGANTIC party on Xbox and we all were just doing the morph glitch. I laughed so hard I pissed myself.
I’m so using number 7 to make my friend rage and think he’s missing all his shots even though he’s not.
I know a glitch for garden operation like cement offline that consists of respawning 3 more hero plants and thus having a total of 6 heroes in operation.
I really like this video keep doing what ya do😜
Do u know how to get on top of the castle on the last base on seeds of time
For #8 you can do the glitch but in a different area and is quicker, and it’s the little corner area above the hole to the gnome area and behind the chest you use the dummy then sprint tackle, then you should be really close to it
For glitch #6, is there any way to remove the timer? For me, the time just runs out after ~6 minutes and the game ends.
For number 8 I did it but the chest were alrdy open for some reason. i never been in this room. Can u help?
Does the invincibility glitch still work? I tried with electro pea and I still took damage (The game then crashed)
U did it wrong. Go back and try again Invincibility glitch still works
the all-star one in the sewer and the top of the treehouse are the most nostalgic for me :)
How about the sombrero bean bomb jump? You throw it down jump on it and then it launches you into the sky. You can literally get on top of the backyard.
Does somebody know if the space glitch remains forever? Or you have to do it every time you are in the battleground?
You can also walk away from the statue when trying to do the invincibility
I remember a long time ago I found a video about glitching into the gnome room using shrimp imp.
Ok the rose glitch is possible without a friend but it takes a while and but it still gives you the 3x - 4x and it only works with zombies but I’d recommend the immortality glitch trying to do it
good thing for the 2 player glitches, I have 8 controllers LOL
Dude, do you know how to get the immortal glitch if you’re on zombie sorry to stay away from a Rose immediately, because if then, that means your character will turn into a girl and you will lose your immortal mode
I can’t open the chests when I get to the garden nome palace thing
Nice Video
idk if this glitch works will work other people but if you become a zombie and go to burger brains thing and talk to the goat and continue to fail and repeat the second quest theres a chance the the your timer doesn’t work, and the pros is that you get to run around as a goat that has op damage and the cannon launches you super high, cons the have to go wait a while before you can use the cannon and you health is pretty bad
How do I get to the place for the million glitch can’t find it anywhere
There is a way better switch team glitch u can do solo using zomburger
Basically u go to zomburger as a zombie then talk to him and immediately go into menu and press respawn then u do the character team switch thing and then mash x or a depending on console to start the mission wait for mission to fail then u will come out on the opposite team with which ever character u did the switch team and select at the same time on this works for both sides
That was patched
@@EliteCameraBuddy I mean at the time of this comment it still worked but I haven’t tried it since
7:21 Interstellar Sky glitch
does the number one glitch work in the backyard battleground ?
No
For the invincibility glitch if you use the Z-mech it will remove it
Also chomper burrowing will remove it
More visual glitches please!!! Love your vids
small UA-camr but great videos (:
why is it always the small ones at work the hardest?
can you get banned from the morph glitch?
bro i discowered the best glich in pvzgw2 when u buy somthing with real money (its not working at coins pack) and friend join you then you both must open sticker shop and just open presents
#9 can be used for the Flag of Power glitch. Which is usually very biased towards the zombies... You can get to Max rank without ever having to touch multiplayer with the backyard team swap goatify. lmao
There’s also a gnome glitch you could do as shrimp.
Thanks for the invincibility glitch I’m gonna grind every single character in the game with this method by killing Plants Boss’ in Plants base🎉🎉🎉(It makes under 30 mins I’m grinding Centurion and he’s already level 9!)
5:40 the first time I did this my game crashed because I fell and I didn’t know about that at the time because it was my first time doing a glitch
Hey btw if you go to the highest point no zombie or plants will spawn
I love ur friend's nickname "Que asc0 "
6:50 I love this glitch
The damage boost stacks? Also there's a way to do it by yourself if you have no friends. Just wait for the rose wave and let them turn you into a goat. Also in order to stack it do you just do the glitch again normally?
Maybe
I also got the chamber by using the warp or ultra tackle into the open sewer pipe where the three bent bronze pipes are at the bottom.
What map is it on I cannot find it
@@sumtingwong8135 oops I was thinking of the wrong place
@@Spoopy_Spinny nah my bad I’m on the wrong game 😂 I thought it was pvz bfnh I started it the other day
Bro, the only reason l play this game nowadays is because of glitches, l just love breaking the reality in these games, also does the number 1 glitch still work?
Yes it does. Remember not to abuse it!
Remember all these glitches especially the backyard space one because I accidentally did it
THANK YOU ❤❤
*7:40** Imma use this one*
Edit: *This video was a year ago hopefully it still works*
There's another inf. Goat glitch, basically the host needs to be a rose and goatify a zombie, then simply tal to the gnome target guy.
I remember finding the space glitch lol I was so confused
Now I will start seeing the morph glitch more often in multiplayer 😑
Sorry!!
i hate the people who do it in multiplayer
I only find it bad when it glitches the sky
As hero brains use kick and hold jump at end
If you become a plant imp and then use your mech you stay like that
3:52 at this part it just doesnt actually let you fall through
you chose a very inconsistent way to do the team swap glitch. Spamming the buttons are really inconsistent. This example is for xbox but it works with the different buttons on all ones of course. Whilst holding LS-right to the right press Y then A in very quick succession to each other. This is much more consistent
3:52 I never fall trough, the invisible roof/floor never dissappears
nevermind I did as I was writing this comment
Still tryna figure it bro, I still can't fall trough :(
@@blackzack1810 Lowering your fps shouls help do 30 or something that should work
@@lencysoup Thanks... It works!
It won't let me jump on top of the shield at *3.03*
goated glitch video other guys' i watched were useless💀
4:15 I did this glitch once
Me too in 2024
I also have another glitch i found:
When your dinosaur bot goes flying,press right 1(R1) (or Left 1(l1)or whatever the smash ability is), all of the zombies/gnomes goes flying
9:11 i already know this glitch i recently use this glitch it was fun
Team swap is super easy idk what you mean just press Y then b a little bit after.
And hold right
Also don't spam them it's way harder
For number 7 can you be here soldier or just Super brain?
Top 10 Noahstarves youtube video glitches.
How to do rose damage for plants?
The number 818 doesn't let me - into the glitch spot
Turn on vsync in settings and try again, I had the same problem and it worked for me.
Please do %8 without the Timelapse. I’m having a ton of trouble finding it out with those
Bro I’ve played the game since it came out and I’ve never heard of some of these glitches
Unfortunately the sunflower glitch where u can have an infinite amount of sunflowers to heal you hasn't been working for years and thus not on the list.
NOTE TO EVERYONE
DONT DO THE IMMORTALITY GLITCH BEFORE THE ROSE DAMAGE GLITCH
do it after the rose damage and that way you don't have to do the immortal glitch again
Do it before and after to have a super relaxed time getting to roses if you're doing it on single player
HELLLLLLLLLLLL YEAH THANK YOU SIR
I did the number 1 glitch it in a public match yesterday
I really hope they don't fix this because I really wanna try most of these.