Breaking Down Josh Berry & Michael McDowell's Airborne Crashes
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- Going over the crashes at Daytona International Speedway with Josh Berry and Michael McDowell during the 2024 Coke Zero Sugar 400 in the NASCAR Cup Series.
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I was there in person and the drunks in the stands who cheer for wrecks were complaining about the cars flipping too easy. NASCAR has to do something.
Same here was crazy too see in person 😂😂
right... so do you cry like this when a dirt car rolls over almost monthly? when a sprint car goes barrel rolling? im sure you fcking dont
They won’t. Nothing changes until the sport is sold.
Cars have always flipped in racing regardless of car generation. There's no way to stop it when cars are pushing 200mph packed tight with 20 other cars. The only solution is to avoid high speed tracks like Michigan, Daytona and Talladega.
@specter0023 its a bunch of smaller things lowering the velocity needed to blowover gen 6 would probably be fine in most of these
Honestly, as a fan of the sport since 1994, nothing about the crashes in the past few weeks is alarming to me and, I really don't understand the sudden uproar. The cars are built to withstand this type of crash. The purpose of restrictor plates, roof flaps, and all the other aero and horsepower changes at superspeedways was to keep the danger on track from extending to the fans. These cars are really only getting enough air to turn over. They're not getting high up in the air and going end-over-end like they used to. The cars that flipped at Michigan were in a headwind of 20-30mph, making the net airspeed over the car be more like 220+mph. Sure, a flat-bottom race car will catch air past a certain angle, but so will an open-bottom car, like the Xfinity cars and any cup car before the gen 7.
The problem is that impacts with an inverted car come at weird angles. They crush roofs down onto drivers (Earnhardt Talladega 1996 or so), cockpits are torn open by catch fences impacting the top end of the car (Russell Phillips), bottom trays can be cracked, split, and destroyed by large bottom-up impacts. These cars are designed to withstand impacts from certain angles. Others are far more dangerous.
They are also unrestricted at Daytona, Talledega, and Michigan, just the spacer limiting the speed.
@@easyenetwork2023 they run plates at Talladega and Daytona
@@josephgooch1451 The dont have plates anymore in the cup series.
@@HisBortness Nascar is 30 years ahead of the crashes you listed.
Russel phillips was racing in a local series that was largely open invitation to anyone on the streets. The car build quality reflects this.
The guy in the greatest danger in this wreck, was actually Alex Bowman. If you watch the replay, the flying pointed rear bumper corner of McDowell ALMOST backed right through Bowman's window netting. It PROBABLY wouldn't have intruded enough to hit Bowman's head, but if a chunk of sheet metal rips off from that impact and enters Bowman's cockpit, lord knows what could have happened.
The Michael McDowell near flip reminded me of the Tony Stewart wreck in 2012
Same
Or Like Chase Elliott At Talladega In 2017
some of these comments are genuinely idiotic. yes, racing is dangerous. yes, flips will always happen. but it's nascar's job to make sure their drivers are as safe as possible, and they've failed. the car doesn't stay on the ground.
anybody saying cars in the air is "less dangerous" is a moron. some of the worst crashes we've ever seen have come from cars flipping or getting airborne. just in the last decade-ish we've had ryan newman, kyle larson, myatt snider, ryan preece, and plenty of others i'm forgetting.
some of the ignorance i'm seeing is laughable. "none of these are fatal." so what, do we have to wait for someone to die to fix the car? is that it? by the time nascar mandated the hans and added safer barriers, five drivers died. dale sr, blaise alexander, adam petty, tony roper and kenny irwin jr all could be alive today if nascar didn't twiddle their thumbs with safety. we spent the last 20 years trying to make this sport as safe as possible, and a lot of people seem fine letting it go back to maybe the single most shameful period in nascar's history.
also, very funny that armchair engineers in here are trying to argue with you, someone with degrees in the field you're talking about. love these analysis videos, would love to see you go over the mechanisms of old crashes too.
Thank you.
I agree.
It is more about the car integrity and protecting fans with flips. But Berry’s head looked like it moved violently while upside down and hitting that inside wall.
Kyle larson did it at dega. He actually was still flipping over in the air when he hit.
I still don't understand why/how NASCAR thought that it'd be a good idea to design an IMSA car and race it like it's still a stockcar.
I'll keep saying it until folks understand. If anyone paid attention in science class all throughout school, no matter what you do to any race car aerodynamically, you can not defeat the laws of physics. Race cars in almost every form of racing has gotten airborne since the 50's and unfortunately there's really nothing you can do about it.
Cars are always going to flip. Both drivers walked away.
Some drivers would rather flip than hit a wall on their wheels so making sure it’s safe in any scenario is important and I think we see that this car is able to keep the drivers safe in accidents like that, however accidents like jones need to be studied to keep them safe
Back to back in 2 weeks this is getting out of hand there has to be a major design flaw in this to cause what's been happening
It’s only happens twice this year bruh
@@Speedyxr159 the design flaw is having cars go really fast
@@Manley410 nothing wrong with cars going fast. It’s just the fact that the sealed under body is allowing the air to pick up the car with much slower speeds than any other blowovers in the past
McDowell's airborne crash is a difficult one to fix as the reason he got air is because how he hit the apron which caused air to get under his car.
Did you watch the second replay or listen to the first minute of this video? The car didn’t lift until it was t-boned by the 22.
@@JacobHeadMusic at the same time the 22 saved him because his hood hook the window, he kept it from flipping
What happened at michigan is unacceptable, but there is always a risk of it happening at daytona and dega. Its just a coincidence that it happened in back to back weeks.
Michigan they were going almost as fast.
They really need to get rid of the flat frame. It's like the wing on the COT, it works against the roof flaps and causes the car to get airborne too easily
I think McDowell's wreck is somewhat excusable, we've seen it in the past with other generations of cars
(Considering things like Taylor Gray's wreck this year and Stewart 2011)
For Berry's wreck, yea there's no excuse. All these next gen blowovers have the car catch air at almost the exact same angle of spin. Looked almost identical to Preece minus the grass
Howdy Goose
Well I just got the news that no cars will be in the r&d center but there taking Berry's car to see how it performed in the rollover.
Consequences of going fast. Man can only control so much. There are laws of the universe we cannot beat all the time.
You know whats bad? How i didnt even react to his flip because of how easy this car gets light. Its a bad look for nascar.
The sudden rewriting of NASCAR's history with cars getting airborne is disgusting... how soft are you losers are!? This has been happening for years, so don't act like the Gen 7 is making this issue new.
@@aloelover6012 i never said that. The cars didnt get this easily upside down with gen 5 or gen 6. Carl wouldn’t have flipped at dega if it wasnt for newman. Atleast brad when he spun was backwards at Atlanta. They removed the wing and we only had 1 more blowover. 2010 AJ. 3 in about, 5 years of a era. So far we’ve had 3 these past 2 years. The 2013-2014 cars went 220 at Michigan and the cars never flew away. They never did blowovers unless they were pushed or hit bumps on the back at dega. Clint in 2014, Kenseth 2016. Larson in, 2019? Then logano 2021. Thats 4 blowovers and weve had 3 in about 2 years. Im not saying the flips are bad but what if a car lands on another car because this happens, like in the head. We havent had cars flip this easy since the 80-90s period. The cars flipped generally easy with the gen 4 era to be fair. Not rewriting anything. Its always been bad to see lol. We gonna have cars being connie saylor every year. But its fine right? Until we have another newman situation.
To add, those cars didnt have roof flaps. These do and because of THIS car, it doesn’t work. So the flips themselves arent the gen 7. The reasons why they happen are. Roof flaps don’t matter. It clearly is a problem when daytona gets rid of its backstretch grass snd have 2 flips the same way back to back.
And as a race car driver (dirt oval) the wind has an effect (just depends on the wind speed) and car aero dynamics
Ryan Truex 2013 Daytona truck race and Stewart 2012 Dega both had similar crashes to Mcdowells
Ok, I Agree. So, Bring Back The Gen-6 Car With The 2014 Package, With The Ride Height, Without The Defenser Along With The Splitter, And Raise The Car Off The Ground, So Air Can Get Underneath, But Except For The Rounded Rear Bumper.
Every single generation of NASCAR has flipped over at Talladega and Daytona. It’s super speedway racing. It’s not the car it’s not the racing it’s aerodynamics there’s nothing you can do to change physics
Just a guess but could it be that the cars are so bunched up together that the air pressure behind the car that flips is extremely low relative to past years. I have never seen the cars this close (w the exception of tandem) in the 30+ years I have been watching.
Cars flip at 180+ part of the sport. No one is stopping it. Marvel in the fact that drivers are getting out of the cars.
honestly I think ppl are overreacting to the flips honestly, they’re gonna happen and they won’t ever stop, best thing nascar can do is try there best to keep them on the ground, starting with no sealed underbody
This car has a fatal design flaw, & we're not just endangering drivers but also fans in the grandstands
You can't just ignore this?
yes flips happen, but for gods sake it just happened at Michigan ALONE. And it just happened in the exact same way at Daytona. NASCAR needs to fix this right now.
@@TGL_STUDIOS nothing is fatal. Everything has already been testing on or off track. There is nowhere for fans to get hurt. And Erik jones, Ryan blaney, Josh Berry, Cody ware, and Ryan Preece would say otherwise. Nobody has been fatally wounded. You’re overreacting. Flipping is not even that scary considering anything that happens while your upside down in that car is gonna hurt way less than right side up
Going to races are dangerous...the fans take a risk...the cars are great cars...flipping doesn't cause injuries...they need to stop bubblewrapping the sport. Racing is dangerous...get over it.
@@TheWeeklyWeight so what, because nobody's died yet there's no point in improving safety? what? and what do you mean nothing is scary while flipping? we almost sent a car into the catchfence tonight and not a half decade ago ryan newman flipped and got hit in the head by another car.
also, nowhere for fans to get hurt? really? are we forgetting kyle larson in 2013 when a fan almost died?
died 2010, born 2022. welcome back cot wing.
tell us you know nothing about a wing and spoiler without admitting it.....
@@quigleymotorsports I was making a joke jackass 💀
This arguing between "the cars are fine" and "these crashes are unacceptable" is entertaining
The only thing that can prevent a 3500 lbs. car from getting upside-down while going backwards at 180mph is to slow the cars down, it's called physics.
You want the cars to only go 170mph at Daytona and/or Talladega?
I have a couple ideas:
1. Air deflectors on both sides of the hood and the roof of the cars (Which are connected to the existing flaps, allowing one or both panels to activate by the wind. Each deflector will be at a 45-degree angle, compared to the regular deflectors).
2. A steep, wedge-like fixed panel under the body of the car (In front of the exhaust pipes, and behind the front wheels to prevent tire rub) OR wider connecting points from the underbelly to reduce the airflow going under the car (If one side of the car is closer to the ground than the other is, the weight of the car will land it back onto its wheels).
I agree have to get rid of the underbody and/or diffuser not good folks. Don't need cars landing in the grandstands it would be the end of Nascar.
I cant tell if nascar was so stupid they designed a car that flips if you're going over at 180+
Or if they knowingly made this in an attempt to get more social clicks?
Why don’t you go ahead and design a car that goes 200 mph and try to get it to stay on the ground? Obviously they are trying their best. These flips have been happening since the 1970s. If you put air under a 180+ mph car, it’s gonna flip over. McDowell flipped because the impact force and the air getting under the car from the apron. Berry flipped because of the uneven track surface bouncing his car in the air. The cars are very safe and I think flipping THEN hitting the wall head on is safer. NASCAR is giving their all. Nobody was injured, and they obviously are going to work on it. Stop crying and go watch gt or something.
@TheWeeklyWeight if I'm designing a car, knowing that it will be going almost 200mph on a regular basis ... I'm not gonna put a giant ass flat floor underneath it?
You can't stop flips from happening, but you can stop them from happening so easily...
@@TGL_STUDIOS you don’t just design a car so it can go 200+ without flipping you design it for racing and airflow when drafting and corners they have roof rails, side skirts, shark fins, hood flaps, roof flaps, spoilers, splitters, and diffuser flaps that help keep the car on the ground you don’t want one huge roof flap that goes 200 mph
@TheWeeklyWeight the underbody & rear diffuser we're specifically designed for 1.5 miles tracks
You don't have the aero wash & dirty air issues at super speedway drafting tracks. So we shouldn't need them especially if they only make a situation worse
@@TGL_STUDIOS”fOr cLIcKs” 🤓
Interesting take and thank you for taking the time to put all this together. Its food for thought for sure. There is a line of thinking that says "No matter what, when you get them sideways over 150 or 60 , they will get airborne. Contrary to what i heard in the video, imo Nascar and the designers actually got the bottom pans right. The cars dont hang in the air now, they just get up and settle onto the roof. If they are over grass, well they are gonna dig in regardless,. Contrast that with previous gen cars and no bottom pans. The frame rails and exhaust along a tubbed pan often acted as drag / lift. Go watch Rusty's flip at Talladega, DW's flip at Daytona, Davey's at Pocono and on and on. Those cars were off the ground for a lot longer time. I agree with Nascars decision to put those pans on which in the event of a flip has a lot less drag and gets them right back on the ground as fast as they got off it. Thanks for the great content man
5:28 the 2 was sliding over the bumps not trying to catch air
NASCAR’s kinda stupid…
If you put fins on-top of the car it creates downforce when the car is sliding… BUT if you put fins underneath the car (aka diffuser), it creates an air pocket under the right-rear quarter panel which ultimately lifts the car off the ground much easier.
I think they need ways to release air from under the car during a blow over, so that the air vents and won’t catch the underbody so easy.
Quit over reacting! There's nothing wrong with the car! When was the last time a flip ended in a injury? There hasn't been one in over 25 years! The cars are safe. They don't need to change a thing
Are you daft? Or are you just some idiot because clearly the main problem is the sealed under body of the car catching all that air and allowing the car to get blown up into the air at much slower speeds than in years past.
People have to complain about everything these days. Physics is physics. But yea, if guys walk away....does it matter what the wreck looks like? Bowman getting a concussion lightly backing into a wall is concerning....this isn't
newman 2020
@@xoanone Would have happened regardless because the air was caused by impacts as opposed to just spinning and catching air.
@@xoanone Yeah this Wreck is exactly why we can't have these cars flipping, not sure why people forget it so quickly.
Honestly it's probably better McDowell went airborne because instead of pushing him up that would've been crushing driverside impact
These cars with the flat bottom act more like a wing when sideways than the Gen 6. It's insane to think this is ever gonna stop, it's not like we've changed physics in the last 20 years.
Cannot keep slowing the cars down, they are not going 200 mph hardly anymore.
Buddy. You can build the perfect race car, but you can’t control aerodynamics and the airflow, the cars will never be on the ground
Imagine if a car blow over on the darlington front stretch and gets over the pit wall
2 flips at Michigan and 2 flips (actually 1 near flip) at Daytona. W H A T
I think the body is extremely stiff which will let air stream underneath the car and send it airborne and plus the flat bottom
It's not exactly fair to blame this crash on aero. Josh Berry's? Yes. But in this one, McDowell had the terrible luck of getting centerpunched in the door by the force of not just Logano, but also Blaney SHOVING Logano, at the exact moment that the front of McDowell's car was on the apron and the back was on the banking, so there was a huge air gap below the car right when the vehicle got shoved by Logano/Blaney. Unless we all agree to watching Daytona races where cars are only going 170mph (boring as hell), then there's really no way to stop a weird scenario like this.
As long as NASCAR insists on putting that enormous spoiler on the trunk we will have this. That flat bottom is not helping a bit.
First crash would have had a similar result in the gen 6 car, see Chase Elliott and Allmendinger at Talladega in 2017
Im all for trying superspeedway racing and 2 mile track racing without the diffuser and/or the entire underbody and see if that dos fix things. NASCAR has to at this point anyway
Is there a way they keep the diffuser, but remove the underpan? I think NASCAR wants to believe the diffuser is what is causing exciting racing and want to keep it in some capacity.
Hard to separate them. I think the diffuser attaches to the underbody.
The underbody is clearly the problem. You wont be able to stop this unless get rid of that diffuser. Some say the cars are so much stronger that its ok, and I agree to some extent BUT what happens when the car goes into a wall top first, or a car hits it in the roof, or a car goes into the catch fence roof first? Thats where I get concerned.
You won't be able to stop this no matter what you do to the car. You can't beat physics. You know the only way to stop this? Slow the cars down. Anything designed to go drive in a controlled manner at 200 mph will blow over going side ways. You can't have it both wings.
im confsued on what you guys (nascar fans) are expecting?
its really simple science, an airplane takes off at around 150-170mph... how fast does nascar race? around 200mph. its truly THAT damn simple!!! what do you want? you want the cars to go slower? thats not the answer because nascar fans cry every week about HP.
what else do you want? you want the cars built better? oh please explain the degree YOU have in aerodynamics...ill wait... they already have how many flaps? 4? that deploy when a car spins.. they are soo effective that they lift when a car is going STRAIGHT and is in a draft due to turbulence. they already have "shark fins" and spoilers that reach 6+inches in height- soo big that nascar had to make a portion of the spoiler plexiglass!!!
RACECARS FLIP! bottom line! doesnt matter if you are dirt racing at 70mph, drag racing at 300mph, or oval racing!or rally racing going 20mph around a hairpin! IT HAPPENS!
my theory is that nascar fans just want something to cry about, as always, nascar fans want somethting interesting and this is what they are grasping onto. and YOU just want easy content so you are mocking what you hear the professionals talk about. you are just being a mockingbird.
so either make the cars drive slower...or shut up. that simple. dont like the racing? dont watch. dont want to risk your life? dont race and sit inside making youtube videos.
and these comments are GOLD, people crying "nascar needs to build the cars better".... DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WAYYYYYYY SMARTER THAN YOU ALREADY DO THAT JOB!?!?!? people are soo damn stupid these days, you really think the damn EXPERTS who build these cars for a living dont know what their doing? that truly shows the IQ of the common nascar fan. if you think you can build a car better then DO IT. DO. IT. GET OFF THE KEYBOARD AND LETS SEE IT.
Plus the flips are good publicity!
There is always going to be a risk of this happening, absolutely. I guess the thing I don't understand is the continuous failed experiments to make the drivers "safer". They will continue the narrative that they work, but they really don't. Off the top of my head, the best things they brought in were the flaps, the safer barriers, and the head and neck restraint. Drivers now let go of the wheel when heading head on into the wall, thanks to learning from IndyCar. But most other modifications, especially lowering the horsepower, has failed and in some cases taken safety a step back. They put that stupid wing on the car of tomorrow that caused all sorts of silly blow-overs, but if a driver said something, they got fined. They lowered the horsepower, drastically increasing corner speeds to where they are basically flat out and no one thought "Hey... so most wrecks occur in the corners... we probably don't want increased spreads on the most dangerous parts of the track", but nah. Everything is fine. "Look the cars are more bunched up. Excitement, right?!?!" People respect those that admit to making mistakes. It's part of life. But if you double down on it and censor those who provide objective and constructive criticism (i.e. the drivers), you just lose people.
The only solution is not race anymore since cars tend to flip at high speeds or when hit at awkward angles. As long as NASCAR has been around cars find a way to flip and roll good luck stopping that.
Well, the right rear shark fin didn't work? Can I say is the rear diffusure?
So is Larry Mac gonna go on Sirius XM and blame the grass again?
there's always been cars going airborne and there's got to be able to stop everything how many people have been killed in a crash like that so nobody
nobody got hurt everybody's survived all that and that was a pretty bad wreck
It's caused by low horsepower tapered spacer racing..it will never stop.
All NASCAR cares about is putting on a show..it's not about actual racing.
It might as well be WWE
And if I want to go see a demolition derby I'll go out to the Stephenson County Fair.
3 cup blowovers in 5 days
The only way to stop cars from going over is to not crash this has been happening since the start of speedway crashes if a car was gonna flip it would be McDowell and that car done exactly what it should..not saying they shouldn’t try and keep improving but y’all are overreacting
It happens
Can people stop being baby’s. Flips are gonna happen. No matter what we do. We could slow the cars to 170-175 and it would be less entertaining but we’d still flip. No matter what nascar does it WILL happen.
McDowell's can not be prevented and that wasn't anything to do with the recent issues with the Next Gen. In the Gen 6, thats happening. in the COT, thats happening. In the Gen 4, thats happening. Any Generation of car at that speed and that exact hit its going to fly.
Overreacting. This has happened always at Daytona won't be the last.
Yep.
People are stupid.
Overreacting.
It always happens at Daytona and at Talladega.
I guess you weren't watching during the cot era?
@@RobertDetertthe problem is these cars are doing full on blowovers with 0 help. You can’t deny that there’s a problem with his car.
@@blacktoblack7292 the problem comes when one of these cars flip and we get another Newman 2020 situation. Also the fact that this can happen at intermediate tracks just heightens the possibility. Yes, cars are always going to flip, but the gen 6 wouldn't flip like these cars without a fight.
@@vtec5862 that’s what I’m saying
This car is a disaster and a disgrace. Proper ownership would fire everyone involved with design (the Steves, Elton, Ben Kennedy), but since this will never happen, your only hope is that the France Kennedys sell the sport entirely. Stop watching and attending. Let them lose enough money, and then maybe you have a prayer.
The cars are not aerodynamic from the side. Good grief
And if you made them aerodynamic from the side, you would have no control going forwards at 200mph. Amazes me how many people think you can cheat physics and have it both ways.
This flip isnt particularly egregious
I think everyones in edge after michigan
Wheel covers !!!
Stop overreacting bro it’s ridiculous. Cars are gonna flip especially in a sport where the goal is to go fast and beat your opponent. Get over it. Like dale jr said be careful what you wish for because the racing will start sucking if they go changing shi
yea you're overreacting to the mcdowell crash ngl dude he got slammed in the slide hes not flipping like that of je doesnt get hit
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