ACC Grant of Rights Doesn’t Apply to Florida State and Clemson…if They Leave | Attorney Doug Rohan
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Attorney Doug Rohan joins the show again to break down a new wrinkle in the Florida State v. the ACC case. The Seminoles found a unique way to argue the grant of rights doesn't apply to them. Also, the ACC "we won't settle talk" is likely posturing.
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😂 sounds like Sovereign Citizens bs
I said the same thing. GORs apply SPECIFICALLY to teams LEAVING and nothing else
I had a client who turned down a $900,000 settlement offer in a contractual dispute, even though I told him that we would certainly lose. We did lose and got nothing. Very sad.
Ouch.
The FSU argument makes sense. They want the judge to decide that the ACC can't own their rights as a member and a non-member at the same time. If they leave, they want to be considered a non-member. As a member the conference, they also alleged the conference failed their fauducicary duties, which is why they don't get paid more. That makes sense to me too.
See? The issue is that if Free Shoes U can tear up the grant of rights because they’re not members any longer, then ALL grant of rights contracts are useless, and if those are useless, then why are exit fees valid? It’s like buying a house for $1 million thinking it’s a good value, value drops to $500k so you sell, and tell the bank “I don’t live there! I don’t owe you squat!”
Not quite - the ACC screwed up when they saddle the GoR to ESPN. If they had used more generic language 'ESPN or any other broadcast partner' then they wouldn't be in a pickle.
@@mikereynolds9201you sound like one of satan espn fan boy with an agenda to keep Fsu down
@@mikereynolds9201Free Shoes U?? Must be a gator. It’s a 1993 reference, that’s your best shot???😂
@@mikereynolds9201 You aren’t from Aaron Hernandez U. are you?
ESPN will not exercise their option for this reason. FSU/Clemson vs UGA, Bama, Texas, LSU, OU, are big time marquee games as opposed to FSU vs Wake Forrest, Virginia, etc...
Recent events indicate that ESPN has already assured the ACC that it will renew.
@tarheel7406 Renegotiating and renewing are 2 different things. ACC football is trash right now. It will be MUCH worse with Clemson and FSU gone, and they will be gone. The ONLY way to keep them would be to increase their income by $25-30 million per year. Where would that money come from? Certainly not ESPN.
@@eddiewaters4383
a) Yes, reneg and renewing are different things.
b) Measured by the 4-team playoff, the ACC is #3 in football and that is adjusted for realignment
c) No new BIG12 school has won a football natty in over 25 years.
d) The ACC is treating UNC, CLEMSON & FSU as gone.
Again, recent events indicate that ESPN has already assured the ACC that it will renew.
@tarheel7406 I would feel confident in predicting if FSU and Clemson are successful in leaving, UNC and Virginia won't be far behind. That will gut the ACC as far as football is concerned. I hope ESPN will renew for the ACC's sake, but it's hard to imagine, especially in this climate, that ESPN will pay out the same money for a greatly diminished product.
@@eddiewaters4383 The ACC's deal is already heavily depleted down to the Tier 2 level. That's what people forget. It's not like the BIG12 was when TX/OK left.
The ACC would not have added CAL+2 without ESPN approval/assurances. CAL+2 would not have joined without same. Near 100% confident that all of the expansion approvers (including UVA, MIAMI & ND) all agreed to stay through 2036 for those assurances and mutual benefit. That agreement would be in affect regardless of what happens with the litigation.
Remember that ESPN can just renew without ACC agreement and that the conference below got ~$30M per:
WVU (small state low prestige flag)
CINCY (G5)
UCF (G5)
BYU (special/unique P5 remainder equivalent)
HOUSTON (G5)
IOWAST (low population state #2)
KSTATE (low population state #2)
OKSTATE (low population state #2, solid overall sports)
KANSAS (vanilla flag, blue basketball)
TCU (G5 equivalent)
BAYLOR (G5 equivalent)
TXTECH (G5 equivalent)
This what I was talking about the other day on the show. I was coming across like Captain Obvious but he’s saying exactly what I said. The situation is untenable and the Conference has to break apart
Maybe... Just like the BIG12 and PAC.
What show? Do the people who watch that show KNOW that you don't know anything TRUE? Or are they all just as clueless on the FACTS involved?
We celebrated Barbara’s Birthday Sunday it was actually on Tuesday! Thanks for the update.
Has there been a court ruling or the title just speculation
Tech tech got out of paying Mike Peach's contract by claiming Soverign Immunity.
FSU will be playing football in ACC in 2027. ACC will win any suit to break GOR.
Florida State can leave the ACC and that is in the contract Florida State officials signed when they agreed to join the ACC. Florida State can leave when ever they want just as long as they pay the buy out fee for breaking the contract. Pay the buy out, Get Out, and don’t let the door hit you where the sun don’t shine.
Weird. FSU isn’t seeking to break the contract but to negotiate a buyout on terms they can accept. Understanding the issue is a good habit to develop before commenting.
Oh, and they will be gone in the near future. Last year, FSU earned $78-81m for the ACC and got $39m back. After they are gone, what are all the beggars in the conference gonna do, hold bake sales, car washes, raffles where the winner gets to play quarterback in the next game?
Smh but fsu is broke, still paying off j p Morgan loans from previous yrs. They can afford the buy out unless they cut other sports
Was this not the argument that Clemson presented in the very beginning of their suit?
FSU fans - who you bringing with you to the B1G? What is your wish list?
Doug Rohan appears to have reached the level of Trump's legal team. 🤭
Sunbelt Conference will take Florida State
The other schools need to wakeup cut their losses and get out of the ACC asap! Fsu/Clemson has done the dirty work the Carolina schools will stay together and drown in Carolina moonshine! The ship has already left the port prolonging the obvious wont change the final result! The ACC is a dead conference walking!
The BIG12 is already dead. Under any reasonably prediction ACC depletion, a rebuild is the best option for the remainders.
@@tarheel7406 You Sir are sports un intelligent, and arrogant. I was going to burn on NC, but I'll take the higher road now.
@@JohnDry How is the BIG12 not already dead in this context?
What losses? It's nothing out there for programs like Wake, BC, Syracuse, Pitt, California, Stanford, etc. Their best option is the ACC staying in tact.
Miami and FSU will be a package deal to the big 10
I hear the acc is in talks with big12 teams to join the acc.
I know the ACC thinks it's facing death. But they need to part ways with FSU and Clemson ASAP. And if UNC wants to depart, let them go. There's no benefits to not settling. If they win the lawsuit and those schools have to stay 13 years. It'll be hell for their last 13 years. Which is 12 now. And if they lose, they'll get no money, and everyone that wants to leave will walk for free. At least if they settle, they'll get something.
They should work out a settlement, expand with Uconn and USF and then work with ESPN on the future media deal.
UCONN will not join the ACC! Florida St. Clemson & UNC aren’t the only schools that want out the league
@@EricBurns-d4o a) UCONN is clearly not wanted by the ACC, hence SMU. b) How heavy will ACC depletion be to the SEC/B1G?
Acc should release FSU, Clemson and UNC with a sizable exit fee and then merge with the Big 12.
Big 12 doesn't want Acc leftovers. It'll weaken their brand.
What does this Lawyer specialize in? Irish Travelers? What a JOKE to say this.
A GOR SPECIFICALLY APPLIES to a team in the conference IF THEY LEAVE.
DO NOT HIRE THIS CHARLATAN he will get you thrown in Jail in a Civil Trial where you are not even CHARGED with a CRIME that is how INCOMPETENT he is at practicing LAW
NEVER disrespect another lawyer we must stick together you jackal.
@@ardentlions6636 Shut up. He is a CHARLATAN. You DO NOT Prop Up the TRASH in your Profession is you respect your Profession. The Legal System is ADVERSARIAL or did you get your "Education" from Free Shoes U and not learn anything? Mewling Puking Moon Calf.
But it applies to the other 14 schools. 😂😂😂. Come on, one for all, all for one. Go Canes!!!!
Doug you should become a sports attorney! Thanks for the great clarification. Thank goodness the FSU attorneys looked at Clemson's info for the case.
I am a sports attorney, what do you want to know you jackal?
So is Florida St claiming they have no agreement with ESPN?That it is tbe ACC that has the agreement with ESPN, therefore if FSU is not a member then the GOR does not apply? Did FSU give the ACC the right to negotiate on their behalf as a condition of membership? This is interesting.
FSU most certainly gave the rights to their home games to the ACC to negotiate on their behalf as a member of the conference. And the ACC retains those rights as long as FSU remains a member of the ACC. The key here is “as long as they remain a member of the conference”. Those rights do not extend past that point.
Yes to your last question, but not without each school’s appropriate bodies approving. According to FSU, the ACC gave up the conferences ability to renegotiate and gave the sole right to do so to espn. This is in addition to signing the terrible deal 😂😂
Yes but if they leave, and Clemson leave they drop under 15, and their is no ESPN agreement. So no GOR
@@Gotcha12345 "Yes but if they leave, and Clemson leave they drop under 15, and their is no ESPN agreement. So no GOR"
a) To where is CLEMSON going if just FSU is leaving?
b) The membership threshold is irrelevant if ESPN can just not renew soon.
c) Even that threshold just triggers an ESPN election. It doesn't auto-terminate the contract.
@@tomsmithdeal775 ESPN isn't a party to the GOR, and wasn't it an ESPN official that made the referenced remark in a casual discussion?
Only those 2 schools?
All schools who decide to leave.
A Wake Forest, Boston College, Duke, and others won't get involved because of the fear they would have nowhere to go other than moving down to the dreaded Group of 5
@@melbailey304 Unlikely that the ACC depletes out that heavily to the SEC/B1G.
Yes.
@@tomsmithdeal8286 I am sure others will lave as well.cthe acc will take a massive pay cut when those schools leave, the B12 is owed another raise with Utah, AZ, col and AZ St joining. If the B12 adds Louisville, amd others, there will be a massive raise for the B12.
Texas and Oklahoma each paid 50 million to get out 1 year early. Do the math it's not hard... Florida State has 12 years left you door stops!!!
Nobody believes that. FSU own Board of Trustees said that it was $572 million for everything. Furthermore, which conference would want FSU who jsut 'walks away' from their debt obligations? FSU would do the same thing to the other 3 power conferences.
Sadly, if they could get a guarantee from Free Shoes U to not leave, the Big 12 would take ‘em in a heartbeat. But here’s the thing… they’re showing that they just burn contracts when it suits them, so what guarantee could they possibly give? The B10 would LOVE to be in Florida, so, considering they’re the “ultimate destination” conference, I could see them taking FSU without worry and the SEC knows this and rather enjoys their lockdown on the state with the Gators (let’s be fair, even when Clemson beat ‘Bama, the SEC was never worried about the ACC), so they may make a preemptive strike to keep their lockdown going. I mean, if the SEC could’ve gotten Texas first, there’s almost no question that they take little brother aTm too because those are the two big boys in the state and they knew a lockdown on Texas (despite what the Big 12 and ACC feel) would be a net gain.
Point is, FSU, Clemson, and NC have enough clout to be wanted and they will be taken so long as NC State doesn’t hold ‘em back (barring the SEC becoming irrelevant to the B10, which isn’t going to happen anytime soon). Will that make the ACC the new PAC-12? Absolutely. Will that make FSU, Clemson, and NC the biggest a-holes since Texas/ Chokelahoma or USC/ UCLA? For sure, but like those other schools, they won’t give a dang. Especially knowing that House vs NCAA is settling and the best way to stay ahead is more money coming in, and the B10 won’t let itself fail and barring a complete breakdown of society, E$PN won’t let the SEC fail.
That's not how much FSU said it owes. That's how much FSU said it would cost based on the acc's interpretation.
And clearly FSU's disputing the acc's interpretation. Because the GoR's language doesn't say what the acc claims.
For an Ohio State fan, you sure care a lot about FSU, Carl. LMFAO! I'm pretty sure the B1G or SEC would add FSU.
FSU's* own
I disagree with you, but you do make a good point you jackal.
Can’t wait to revisit these comments for all the”FSU isn’t going anywhere or nobody wants FSU clowns
Nobody wants them. Who wants to share their money 💰???
Correct, FSU shot themselves in the foot by going full tilt. People don't want that
Share their money? Oh, I don’t know. Maybe someone who wants to make even more money. FSU is the only school who would generate revenue in excess of the payout in either P2. Where would that excess money go? To the other schools in the conference. FSU wouldn’t be sharing their money, they would be sharing FSU’s money.
What a crock of crap.
And your law degree is from where?
@@stischer47 Awww ... did I hurt your feelings? 🤣
I mean it's FSU, they're full of crap all the time anyways.
Sounds like they're trying to argue that signing that contract means nothing. I'll believe it when I see it.
Did you actually listen the video??? Lol
People and orgs get out of contracts all the time. Not really what is happening here though.
The fear is real with these guys who have to live withe reality that a possible FSU team wont be handicapped by the ACC for too much longer. They gaslighting the hell out of these arguments 😂😂😂w
I guess millions of lawyers that practice contract law means nothing!
@@marycrockerrohe2371 You should watch the video and maybe get a little understanding of the case. And contracts are broken all the time.
John -- Great work overall -- thanks for all you do. However, I feel like you should disclose that Doug Rohan is a Florida State grad. (If you made a disclaimer about that, I must have missed it.)
Boy FSU is throwing everything at the wall 😂😂😂😂😂😂 so desperate but it won't work.
The thing that I keep going back to is, all of these schools signed the agreements. Just because you don’t like the conditions of the contract now, doesn’t mean they will make it easy for you to get out it. I think they should be able to leave, but at a price.
FSU owes their rights to the ACC while a member of the conference. Once they leave, the rights go with them to a new conference. Pretty simple.
@@jasonsterling8764 So why haven’t they left yet? Why all the squawking and filing suit? Maybe there’s more to the GOR than just leaving the conference. Somehow, wouldn’t they have already left if it was as simple as what this guy is pushing?! Rhetorical questions need no answers.
@@jansonroberts2616I will give you an answer anyway be patient and you will see how everything plays out GO NOLES!!!!
@@jansonroberts2616the same can be said about why the lock and key on the GOR. The SEC teams have the same contract in their conference with ESPN but theirs isn’t under lock and key. What do they not want us too see. Do you see how that shit works, it goes both ways.
That is right! If all of the ACC schools are stuck untill 2036 the B12 will easily make triple, or quadruple the money by then! The ACC schools will losse money by then! Not counting Basketball. The ACCs stock is going down right now in every sport.
The whole purpose of a GOR is to secure the value of the related media deal. The stated term is the max length of the current media deal. If a member could just unilaterally leave, pay the fees, and recover their media rights, that would negate the purpose of the GOR.
Sovereign immunity would negate/harm FSU's ability to contract in the future, including joining another conference.
Not correct. The purpose of the grant of rights is to secure exclusivity for ESPN and the ACC WHILE a school is a member of the conference. Once a member leaves the conference, that schools media rights are no longer subject to the attached media deal. I think the biggest issue in understanding is for years the media has described the GOR of being a forfeiture of rights for a stated amount of time, period, end of discussion. That’s simply not how it works. The grant of rights is to prevent member institutions from selling the rights, typically tier 3 rights, to their events outside of the ESPN contract while they are a conference member. This was done to be able to, primarily, funnel those events to the ACCN.
@@tdfsu1 Stated perfectly and accurately.
@@tdfsu1 Wrong. The purpose of a GOR is as I've stated. Whether there are flaws in the language is another question. Why else has this been a debate for almost 3 years?
Why do FSU fans treat its assertions as Gospel?
The Ambulance Chasers
1-800- GRIFT.
So, he is disqualified from offering any opinion on the matter? You are certainly entitled to your assessment but, if he is unqualified to comment on the matter, why are you here? Why are you leaving a comment? I quickly scan through video listings every day and only watch the ones that I think offer content. Have you tried it?
Do you have a aw degree?
He said, he has so let’s leave it that you jackal.
You forgot the “l” you big dummy.