The theory of black holes is a mathematical theory and not a scientific theory. The mathematical theory of black holes looks pretty, and perhaps Dr. Penrose has earned the Nobel price for the sophisticated mathematics of the mathematical theory. But the theory does not have any experimental/observational proof. And the scientific method requires experimental/observational proof to verify any hypothesis/theory. According to the theory of black holes, black holes cannot be observed directly. What you see in books and magazines, TV and internet - those are computer simulations and not real black holes. The indirect evidence of the existence of black holes comes from the accretion disks surrounding the alleged black holes. But other objects can be extremely compact, something like quark stars, for example, to create accretion disks. Which brings us to another huge flaw of the theory of black holes - the assumption that at certain conditions (like those inside a massive collapsing star) nothing can stand against gravitational contraction. This tremendous assumption is made without experimental/observational proof. Therefore, it denies the scientific method. We know that when stars collapse, degenerate pressure of electrons or neutrons stops the gravitational collapse at some point. depending on the mass of the stars. We also know from experiments that when experiments attempt to squeeze quarks too tightly, they exhibit asymptotic freedom that makes further gravitational collapse into a black hole unlikely - the mathematical theory of black holes does not take these experimental facts into consideration at all. Furthermore, if you studied the general relativity theory, you have to know that according to the equations of the General relativity theory, the collapse of a star into a black hole looks differently depending where an observer is. If the observer is very close to the collapsing star, then the collapse is extremely quick. However, for distant observers, the time of the collapse stretches to infinity. Gravitational collapse time dilation = If a black hole is formed by gravitational collapse, then to an outside observer the relativistic time dilation of the event means that it reaches its Schwarzchild limit (and becomes an actual black hole) after an infinite amount of time. Which means that a distant observer would have to wait for eternity to see how the collapsing star finally becomes a black hole. If the equations correct, than we, distant observers, cannot observe black holes and from our point of view those stars in the process of collapse into alleged black holes remain to be observed by us as collapsing stars and not black holes.
That is, the theory of black holes tells us that from the point of view of a collapsing star, it has already collapsed and formed a black hole, and from the point of view of external observers, the star has not yet collapsed to form a black hole. Hence, the black hole exists and it does not exist at the same time. But they show us computer-enhanced simulations of black holes and assure us that the black holes are "readily observed." And for the "black hole exists" part, please check again the first part of my comment- there is no observational/experimental proof that the collapse of a neutron star into a black hole is unstoppable.
Richard Pryor told a story of he and his best friend, famous football player Jim Brown. Pryor constantly would show off all his wealth/purchases. Brown never deviated from one topic ONLY: "what about that pipe?" Pryor was desperately addicted to cocaine. "Heat" is Pryor's pipe. ALL the tap dancing fails to remove the epi-phenomenon of heat. It cannot begin....it must always end. It disallows THIS universe beginning....it forecloses on THIS universe being eternal. EVERYTHING Penrose et al contrive is done with the denial that thermodynamics cannot be reconciled. It's the assumption that the universe HAS A NATURAL EXPLANATION/ETIOLOGY. THAT AIN'T SCIENCE....IT'S RELIGION....
@@WayneLynch69 it's not science if we take the espoused definition of science, which is essentially identical to rigor, but it is perfectly fine science as it's actually practiced, which is as a religion.
This is a great video about how theoretical physicists hypothesise about the Universe, getting help from mathematicians to identify the mathematics needed to express these ideas, and come up with a theory that experimental physycists and astrophysicists can use to make observations to verify the theories. We're very fortunate to have an intellectually honest theorist like Roger Penrose to explain these ideas without any pretence that they are nothing more than ideas at this stage, whereas some scientists like to promote their ideas in the media, giving the rest of us the impression that their hypotheses are accepted by the scientific community when in fact they are simply promoting them.
That's the exact opposite of a scientific method and procedure. That's an absolute charlatanism, pseudoscience, and medieval stupidity. We don't come up with nonsensical nonsense, name our fiction and then go out in the world looking for proofs of its existence.
I just love how Sir Roger Penrose explains a concept so difficult to grasp as a Universe before the big Bang where "time" in a sense doesn't existed or passed as we are used to experience in our universe, in a way that even people that don't have a physics background can understand. What a remarkable man 😁👌👌.
Yeah. I'm sure he is (or was -- IDK if he still teaches) one helluva good teacher. If more educators in modern times were as sincere in their efforts as is Dr. Penrose, we (the USA) almost certainly would not be in the current pickle in which we find ourselves with regards to the abysmal state of our population's "education". [Begin ranting in...3...2...1...] You were warned...lol You know, the one where over half of America's high school graduates were unable to find the UNITED FREAKING STATES OF AMERICA on a globe...and That was over twenty years ago. Now, all of those "baby Einsteins" are so-called "adults" who keep themselves busy by convincing themselves, each other, and any other dull minds they can reach, that the earth is either flat, hollow, or both, and the moon is hollow, and etc., etc. Yessir, we're just BEGGING for another group to take the lead in world affairs, which won't end well for us, at least not if you prefer English (or any other Romantic language) over Cantonese. Or, maybe it's just the freedom to be or to do...Anything of Your choice, really, that appeals to you, rather than living where you're told to live, working where you're told to work, gaining access to a very, VERY short list of government approved and government edited programming over the airwaves, and ditto the interwebs. Yeah, the USA is, unquestionably, filling itself with Eloi, ripe for the picking. We are voluntarily expediting the wholesale slaughter of our bodies, our minds, our freedoms, and our property, to name just a few of the things we will lose before all is said and done, should we continue to fail our youth (and ourselves) in education, as we have been doing for several decades now. (SNS for the rant...lol. I just hope that maybe...MAYBE...if more people who HAVEN'T grown old, grown filthy rich, and permanently affixed themselves as a Neverending Part of our dysfunctional Political System [I'm looking at YOU, Congressmen and -women (and members of the Executive Branch, of course) who have been screwing...uhhh, Serving...I meant SERVING!...the People of our great nation for longer than I've been alive -- you g*ddamned jackals...you power hungry crooked SOBs!]... ...MAYBE, if we make enough noise about this problem then it might get fixed. But I doubt it, because that would require several attributes which are all in short supply in this country these days. I'm talking about things like values that are based on ethics rather than on a "Me! Me! Me!" mentality. I'm talking about working for what you have. And I'm also talking about The Big One -- Personal Accountability, which has become more or less nonexistent nowadays thanks to an increasingly coarse media which glorifies murdering, raping, stealing, cheating on your spouse, stealing from anyone and everyone you can, being lazy, believing that you're some kind of "badass gangsta!" (as if That is somehow a worthy and valuable goal...), and on and on and on...like this rant! And it ALL starts in our homes; our broken homes, which are at BEST dysfunctional even IF the parents stay together, and on and on... But that's a whole new, different (but connected) rant for another time... *SIGH*
@@rosros2795 There really ARE slots for everything in creation, aren't there? I'd never heard of this bloke, but have lived a long and volatile life in line with his principles. I put it down to the gift of a very high IQ and a memory that never forgot anything. (learned to play chess in a couple of hours and was playing in the state team a few weeks later. ) Also learned Shakespearean plays verbatim after two or three readings (to argue AGAINST the value of Shakespeare!) and used to explain the connection between the two: had a sense of the inherent mathematics of chess being evident in Shakespeare's work, and the philosophy of Shakespeare being clearly evident in chess. I always just assumed it was the job of the brain to make those sorts of connections so's the whole 'creation' could be sensed as a whole. But unfortunately my dog's brain doesn't work like that!
@@rosros2795 That's ok. Just that I'd never heard of Feynman (despite being fairly widely read over many years), so I checked him out on google and immediately recognised myself in a way I never had before. For example, I often ask for definition of an issue or a word/concept because it ties all the other bits together into a kind of mesh that stores in my brain as sort of a picture. These days you might say 'the way hard-drive works' Quite uncanny! Cheers
There is nothing like listening to somebody who knows what they are talking about, they have the ability to explain it to people like me and use analogies and the like to allow me to visualise what it a very difficult theory etc. In addition they don't get lost and confused when asked questions during their explanation, they just respond to the question and go back on track and that I suggest is because what they are talking about is very clear in their mind and hence it is easy for them to talk about it
I've heard or read about Roger Penrose and his work countless times over the years, but I honestly think this is the first time I've ever seen him on screen. He seems to be an amazingly good communicator so I don't know why we don't see more of him. Brilliant man.
@@stuartmccall5474 He is from a different time my friend. A far different generation that no longer exist or is just fading away. I believe the societal concept of "Individualism" will be studied longer after I'm gone from this place and the effects it had on the people resent today. I am 25 years old though so I do hope I get to read and understand it before I go!
@@GreaseMonkey097 : Perhaps? I think also his origins were an influence. Individualism, in its nowadays classically accepted definition or form, is a construct more at home in US Society as a requisite of "pursuing the dream" towards the amassing of money and what it can bring, this necessitating a significant degree self centeredness and ruthlessness rather then just a degree of the same. Obviously this is a general observation and not absolute. If you compare Sir Roger with Paul Dirac, Alan Turing and Stephen Hawking etc., they all worked with a team of others in order to have others to bounce their ideas off and were all very modest individuals. I think working in a vacuum is the more difficult way to make progress, as all that does is confirm your own brilliance.
@@stuartmccall5474 I completely agree! The future of the Science's should continue to be the collaborative effort of the intelligent. It's the only way we have progressed this far to begin with. Looking forward I do not believe Individualism, as a molding affect on society or simply just a way of Life, will impact the Science's that much. Maybe that is the beauty of culture though. The work is done as backdrop noise by the people who cared enough to do it.
For a guy close to 90, Roger looks amazing and has as sharp a mind as ever. Also a total professional: note how he seamlessly repeats himself after the interruption at 09:55 to provide an opportunity to do an edit at that point.
This was definitely some years ago, 12-20 years I'd guess. His is visibly much older than this now. Personally, I like his voice now as opposed to younger days such as this.
Exactly! That was my impression listening to him answering questions at such an advanced age! He looks and sounds unbelievably young! God bless him even more!
The universe is alive and forgets how big/how small it is...what's not to understand lol? ...keep in mind, these nobel prize winning geniuses haven't a clue how the universe works. It's all best guesses leading to more questions. We try to understand existence by using logic/math, yet we have no idea if that will work or not. You're lost because we are all lost. He's talking about things that only math can make sense of. Infinity, for example, is not a real thing, or at least we don't know if it is or not. it might be and his theories might be correct. But we don't know. Just my 2 cents. I'm lost also:)
@William White Clearly my comment went above your head. Try actually understanding what I wrote. You shouted, "logical fallacy" using logical fallacy..lol!
I follow and understood the concept and it’s beautiful in its simplicity. I don’t follow the math, though. I can listen to Sir Roger talk all day long. He’s so humble and seems so grandfatherly.
@@randallrogers6350 the two committees judge entirely different things. and frankly, doing "nothing" was a far cry better than doing the "something" that BushCo did.
The universe was not keeping time in the beginning. Given relativistic speeds ( even exceeding C during inflation) how can we say 1 how old the universe is ( how do we correct for the time dilation when particles were moving at these speeds?) 2 there was ever a “before” the universe
9:53 The sheer amount of energy required to verbalise such abstract concepts actually caused books to start falling out of their shelves behind the interviewer. The small inflection of happiness across Penrose's face is as a result of a bet he made decades earlier when an identical thing occurred while explaining quantum dynamics to a classmate. The classmate said that if he could do that again, he'd pay for him to have a lapdance.
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@@expattaffy1954 if there is a God, I think he would be ok with us humans trying to understand this stuff. It's not much different from humans working out how we breathe, the discovery of gravity, how to make a combustion engine etc etc just another discovery bout how reality works. Just as wondrous, probably more, than a great magician in the sky waving his wand and kapoof! creating it all in a day .
He just made my life worth more. I always believed there must be something before the big bang which may be unimaginable, but it never crossed my mind that size is just a number.
We live in electromagnetic based universe. Our universe is plasma / electric universe. Penrose is full of crap. Blackholes are fiction. Big Bang Theory is fiction. Subatomic physics is full of fraud.
While I know I didn’t understand a lot I still found it fascinating and engaging. And I did take away the key idea that the universe is “constantly” flip flopping between being infinitely small and then infinitely big. Like scaling an image you can drag it to nothing and if you keep dragging it starts to expand but is now a mirror image of itself. I guess all I’m say is Thank you for making me think
For an absolute ignorant like myself this was intense, but absolutely brilliant. The clock metaphor for the time and matter correlation is strinkingly simple and jawdropping. Never before had I seen such a simple and clear way to put it. From then on the concept becomes accessible for a total ignoramous like me to being able to at least follow the rest of the conversation. Also, the way it is put also leads me to think as time as a dimension of its own due to the close relationship it holds with the very nature of space. Not a new concept for me but now I feel like I get a true reason why for it. Of course, for a physicist, what I am saying may be of the most basic intellectual incompetence, but I find it so astounashingly fascinanting that I can't hold myself from sharing my deepest respect for the minds that can trully grasp this.
There are interesting correlations between Position/Velocity, Position/Frequency, Space/Time and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. The core math is conjugate variables. but the fact that all these things are perfect analogies of each other makes me feel like that time is just the frequency of space at some weird fundamental level.
I had a brilliant physics and astronomy teacher in the 90's. His name was Franck W. Pettersen, RIP. He was head of the Tromsø Aurora Planetarium back in the day, but he grew tired of it, because he only showed the guests "touristy" things there, when he really wanted to explore the deep ideas about the universe itself. So, he quit that job and became a teacher at a nearby high school. His idea was that there could probably be more than one universe, and or perhaps a kind of string of universes like Penrose suggests here. It was just a hunch he had, so to speak, but either way, having him as a teacher was an honour, not just for me, but for most of the other pupils who was greatly inspired by him.
I love Penrose, he's always been a fav of mine and I've read several his books as well which were amazing. Legend. This chat here is super engaging and entertaining.
This concept is absolutely amazing. I love the idea of infinity being like a place that you never get to, until you realize you are already there, and things have already changed. That seems like the purest nature of what infinity could be.
Dear CTT, thank you for your effort to bring in such a distinguished guest as Dr. Penrose. Also thank you for taking advantage of his wisdom on such an interesting and fun topic. Your channel and its contents are a precious contribution to public science education that helps us humans to become better species. Warm regards from a subscriber.
If only someone would ask, or would have asked the Penrose fellow exactly what he seeks to convey by " the universe", I guarantee you he would not be able to tell you without waffling and you_knowing, or as is said beating about the bush.
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Thanks for these insights . Amazing how one can explain things like you do . Not using any powerpoint or animation. I remember speech in Warsawa about 8 years ago. I skipped Rock-Concert because i could join in copernicus science center your speech - what a good decision.
Walking down the street one day a big bang occured in me A powerful anxiety or naked fear hit me and it. Took an hour to dissopate I reasoned that it had been buried inside me for years secretly controlling me After it's released and my awareness of its existence my addictions gradually left and i had a deeper understanding the hidden forces that controlled me May our understanding of the big bang lead to a better understanding of our exiistence as a species as well.
Every time he says “you see” I really wish I could see it. 🤣 I understand these ideas almost like it’s all part of a dream and I just woke up and the more I try to remember the dream the more it evaporates.
@@vhawk1951kl of course I am interested in all of these types of discussions! I love how these abstract ideas become concrete realities as scientific exploration continues and answers are found.
Many congratulations to Sir Roger Penrose for his long lived and brilliant career, working with Stephen Hawking and many others. His copious Mathematical Works have enriched the World over the last 70 years.
Thanks to R.L. Kuhn for not interupting Roger and allowing him to jabber on to complete his ideas, many interveiwers are constantly inserting themselves and become a distraction
Very well deserved Nobel prize Roger. Absolutely love listening to his interviews especially on his work with anaesthetist Stuart Hammerof. I genuinely think their work is as close as it gets to possibly identifying the roots of consciousness. Roger can probably also create the equations to prove it....
I'm fascinated by some theories of Penrose, specifically what he talks about in this video. The most interesting part is watching Sir Roger explain these theories in an everyday manner. I couldn't do that
????? who stands in the queue? Breeze into the bank, head for the teller's cage coughing and spluttering all over the place, and you'd be amazed how quickly the queue disappears! That might be the very reason god created the virus. (and "saw that it was good")
Brillant man and a great communicator. Only in a few occasions I’ve listened to someone conveying such difficult mathematics concepts so elegantly simple.
Brilliant or not he has absolutely no idea what he means by " the universe" or " reality", and certainly no more of an idea than you do and both of you have no idea at all.
1 the link between frequency and time, so simple and yet so strong. 2 "the universe forgets how big it is", like "there's no need to continue this. Let's start all over". Powerful ideas.
Incredible. I understood what he said. He stubled while explaining, but it reached me. Feels like a revelation to me. Another great way of looking at how the universe began. Thank you.
@@thetruthshed Lol. I laugh at Christians who think the religion they happened to have been born into is the correct religion out of the thousands to have ever existed and currently exist. No, this has nothing to with Revelation.
@@dynamicflashy well your laughing at something. But I wasn't raised or born into being a Christian. Read the whole Bible and maybe you will see. I sometimes laugh at my old self for thinking I was so smart while being an "atheist" and thinking I was so not religious. God loves people, but you don't have to love Him back if you choose not to, but that'd be a bad choice on your part. Keep laughing if you want. Jesus wept. So do I at times. Peace to you and your friends and family.
@@dynamicflashy I suggest you study religions, history, science and philosophy. You may then realize there's basically only ever been two "religions" or ways. Faith in God and faith in something or someone that is not God.
@@thetruthshed I have studied those things at great length. Heck, I was a Christian for 20 years. Philosophy is my bread and butter. Also, I have extensive knowledge of Christianity, Judaism and Islam, to name a few. Faith in God? A singular god? What about all the thousands of religions that have multiple gods? Even Christianity effectively has multiple Gods (see Trinity), even though many within the religion (who are seemingly confused by the their own religion) don't understand this. 98% of people either believe what they believe due to the family and community they were born into, or they were forcefully converted.
Glad to discover Roger Penrose! He is able to explain very complex science to lay people like me. His theory makes beautiful sense to me, and answers some important questions, such as what happened before the Big Bang. I was thinking these gravitational ripples could even contain information that could be passed to the next universe. The theory reminds me of Hindu creation concepts and some of Buddhism/ Taoism as well. Absolutely awe inspiring.
Here Penrose explains his theory where the beginning is also the end! Profound. As a small child I used to have "scale invariance" nightmares believe it or not - where what I held between my thumb and forefinger was no different to some huge object in outer space. It was all the same. I love the reference to Echer's angels and devils!
Ha Ha.. Believing in Big Bang itself requires perhaps more faith then believing in God. You have to be a true follower (of Big Bang) to appreciate it without questioning.
degrees show how well you answer questions on tests.. and.. how good you were as a grad student slave for your doctoral advisor and overseers.. ☆☆☆ despite much advertising to the contrary . .. education is not something someone else does to us.. it's what we do to satisfy our own curiosity
When Sir Roger finally built up to the possible similarities between the very remote past and the very remote future, with the exception of scale, for which there will be no meaningful measure, my jaw actually dropped. What an elegant concept! This video is also an excellent demonstration of how individual notions build on each other within and eventually between generations of scientists.
Dear uptown 3636, Thank you so much for putting it all together into a statement which perhaps will make sense to all of us out there who can now relate and reverberate more clearly with what they felt like and thought after listening to Sir Roger...
I have a doubt . during Big bang temperature is highest. And in future which sir refer here , temperature will be lowest and all photons will be in low energy state. Then how temperature will increase and initiate a new big bang in future. Can anyone help
@@jishnuraj9866 I think what he's saying is that its not the absolute temperature that's important but the relative temperature that matters. So rather than thinking of the big bang as the hottest and the distant future as the coldest its more that at the big bang temperature was uniform, meaning at maximum entropy, and in the distant future it will be uniform, equally meaning maximum entropy, and with maximum entropy comes the inability to measure time and with it measure anything else. So I think in the same way that he said that the universe would forget it's size with no way to measure it, it would also forget it's absolute temperature as there would also be no way to measure that.
@@stephen2437 I think as per second law of thermodynamics entropy is increasing with time and irreversible without outside interference. It's just a measure of vibration of particles. At the big bang temperature was high and entropy lowest .
So wonderful that he is still thinking outside of the box. Doesn't feel the need to write yet another paper on inflationary theory but would rather tackle truly big issues with truly revolutionary ideas, and ideas that most importantly can be tested.
Fascinating. Eternity is the absence of time (a clock)(a measuring stick). A singularity of energy gently disturbed by gravitational waves like raindrops on a pond setting the stage for a new expansion. WOW! The wonder of it all. Should make all humans treat each other better knowing that somehow, someway, we are a significant part of all of this.
Humans are not a significant part of the universe, that’s your ego misconstruing our importance through your myopic vision. In reality, we’re a temporary spec on an infinite plain whose collective existence will vanish well before the sun expands into a Red Giant and engulfs the earth.
August Moon It never ceases to amaze me how someone who considers humans to be so insignificant can be so arrogant. You are entitled to your opinion but no need to undermine others who draw a different conclusion from the data.
Congratulations to Sir Roger Penrose, both for the Noble Prize and for making my head explode. I love this channel, I’ve followed you on your quest for a while now and I hope we find the answers.
His speculative albeit interesting views on consciousness had nothing to do with his nobel prize... His contribution to actual theoretical physics research in the form of proving and deriving the Singularity theorems is what got him the prize. His ”theory of consciousness” isn’t actual science. It’s just playful and creative speculation by a brilliant mind.
@@vhawk1951kl Yeah any fool with a phd in mathematical physics who has proven the singularity theorems, been an author in hundreds of some of the most notable and influential scientific research publications of the last 100 years, discovered new features like Penrose tilings, Terrel -rotation etc and changed tensor calculus forever. Oh wait I forgot that you don’t have any training in or even the slightest clue about differential and algebraic geometry and how they relate to spacetime because you’d prefer to just act edgy in yt comments as if you should be taken seriously when in reality you never even put the work in to study the subjects let alone get a degree in physics or mathematics. But with a bit of humility and diligence you could learn these subjects like anyone else.
Quite a captivating idea and topic to speculate on. Time gives meaning to everything, I believe, Sir Roger Penrose wants to say here (of course, this is the extremely simplified version). This topic only needs a whole big documentary with neatly-put visual effects.
Extremely intelligent but also has the common sense to hold position, wait for the background noise to dissipate and repeat what he had said before the noise.
Prof. Hameroff is right: He IS an incredibly modest and sweet man given the fact that his thinking goes beyond anyone else's so far and he's still this down to earth to even chuckle and smile at his own ideas! And as to those ideas, of which I'm hoping to get the very basic aspects and essence: Absolutely genius to end all genius. Wow.
Read Stephen Hawkings last book and was somewhat depressed by the idea that "nothing" existed before the Big Bang. Sir Roger's infectious enthusiasm (and infinite intellect ! ) offers a glimmer of hope that talking about a situation Before the Big Band is maybe, not totally outrageous. This I find more reassuring even though I am conscious that the evolution of the Universe is a dispassionate unfolding of events.
To quote Stephen Hawking " The great mystery at the heart of the Big Bang is to explain how an entire , fantastically enormous universe of space and time can materialise out of nothing.
I find it contradicting to state there was notthing before the big bang and yet to explain dark matter and dark energy sir with respect i find this concludesion in conclussive
True 3:44 does not make sense hence the nobel sir. Some big words some big theories which make no sense to us. Please put it in simple terms what was there before the big bang. Was it matter like murky water or what.
Watched this three times and i think i finally understand what he means by universe forgetting how big it is. The funny thing is it actually makes sense.
Wht do either of you mean by" the universe"?How do you experience" the universe, and when experiencing it, how do you know that what you are experiencing is " the universe"?
Once you grok the notion that photons whizzing around an otherwise empty universe experience zero time in what an external observer would see as infinite time, it all clicks. "Eternity" is instantaneous, statistics take over, and some quantum fluctuation or another kicks off the next aeon. My favorite part of the concept is that it neatly answers the question of what came before the big bang (namely, more of this. we have the full story already.) and it also gives us some weird comfort in the possibility that this whole Universe thing doesn't end with a whimper.
What this guy is speaking speaks volumes! I like how he’s not locked into a position and how he has the ability to evolve! My personal opinion is like 80% of the population I really don’t know in the back of my mind how all this came into existence but I do know it’s a lot of fun learning. Put your seat belts on my friends because this man is from another intellectual planet! Lol
Wow! The most informative 17 mins in my life so far! This is why I want to study Astrophysics. (I got offers from universities in the UK but didn't get the visa because I'm a Syrian seeker of freedom and asylum)
I wish European countries would be more open to fugitives like you. They may not all turn out to be astrophysicians, but apart from the humanitarian reasons for being more open (which is already reason enough imho), I know they can be an enrichment for society and make for stronger bonds with the future nations they originate from.
Speaking as a Brit, I genuinely apologise for our ridiculously xenophobic govenment and the electorate that loves them. We can't kick them out for at least 4 years, but eventually we will, and a progressive UK will want astrophysicists :-)
You should have applied to be a barista, wash cars or pick fruit & vegetables for almost nothing. These are the vital skills my government wants, not smart people - vulnerable ones.....
No, your reasoning is flawed. Two different things can have many properties in common without any implication that they are the SAME thing. Many properties is not the same as all properties.
To all the fans of Sir Roger Penrose I highly recommend reading his book The Emporer's New Mind. He goes into much more depth about his theory on what preceeded the Big Bang. He also goes into detail about how algorithms work and why computer algorithms cannot mimic human thinking or consciousness even in principle. A very excellent read that will leave AI cheerleaders quite butt hurt.
Did SRP literally write.."computer algorithms cannot mimic human thinking or consciousness"? Which were his stated definitions for "thinking" and " consciousness"? Does " cannot ", mean, " at the present time ", or, " we can safely assume that this will always be the case"? I'll read his book, but has to go at the end of a long reading list. Thanks..
Algorithms are just brute force logic, nobody seriously thinking about the next generation of AI would rely souly on them, that's not how the brain works.
I'm just a layman with just an 'A Level' grasp of Mathematics, who has only dipped in and out of such concepts (over 40 years), but this guy sounded consistent with what I know and understand about this subject. And he was clear to say "I'm not saying this is true, it's just a speculation to consider" - that was exactly how Copernicus expressed his idea of a Heliocentric system. However...just because in the past concepts that were thought to be impossible turned out to have some credence, doesn't mean that all such dubious concepts will eventually have relevance. Sadly, I continually find that people don't understand the fundamental thing about 'science' (which is just the application of the 'scientific method') that it doesn't seek to 'prove' anything - it actually seeks to disprove everything (via scientific methods) and what we can't disprove, is the best we have. This guy gets THAT! So, for me, he is a real scientist, and I so respect that.
In a way, it seems that gravity is how the universe keeps in touch with itself as it spreads out. If it gets big enough, gravity ends, it develops amnesia, and a sort of renormalization occurs.
@@ScienceUniverse I have to admit that my ideas are very nebulous and not backed up by and kind of math or science. But seeing that physical laws and quantum entanglement appear to be everywhere the same, it occurs to me to wonder if there might be a point where these phenomena become disconnected.
We live in electromagnetic based universe. Our universe is plasma / electric universe. Penrose is full of crap. Blackholes are fiction. Big Bang Theory is fiction. Subatomic physics is full of fraud. .
A wonderful idea. Time is simply a brief anomaly between the beginning and the end, both being the same thing. I don't think it's sensible to think of "before" and "after" when they're inextricably bound to one another for their existence like light and shadow.
Keep going! Neil Turok has pointed out that both the beginning and ending, zero and infinity, of the universe are extremely simple, that is describable in just a few numbers. It's in the in-between that things are complex allowing entities such as galaxies and human beings to exist. Also, if you can transcend big and small, then zero and infinity are very similar in that, while both are projected on the real number line, neither behaves like any other real number. Which is why, when I'm thinking about things like this, I like to think using a logarithmic number line (Zero, ... 1/100, 1/10, 1, 10, 100, ... Infinity) where both zero and infinity can be approached but never reached. (Note: this zero is therefore slightly different from the additive identity zero we all know and love. And in my opinion, a much more interesting one!) Something's going on there. Let me know when you figure it out!
@@CosmosMarinerDU Thank you! I love the "number" zero. So much so that I named one of my cats "Zero." I've intuited that zero is similar to infinity. I'll look into Turok. Thank you. :)
No one has ever answered the questions "What triggered the big bang" and, "If time did not exist before the big bang, how could there be a "Time" for it to happen".
I don't really understand what 'time' is, but if it is eternal, then it can have NEITHER a beginning NOR an end. So, if there ever was a Big Bang to create the physical universe as we know it today, not only time but space existed before the Big Bang. That space is as infinite as time is eternal, meaning that space has neither boundaries nor limits. I don't know where that reasoning leaves us, but perhaps this is where we leave the language of physics and mathematics and start conversing in the language of theology and religion....and maybe even mythology!!😇
Really enjoyed this and Sir Penrose is brilliant as always and explaining concepts in simple terms. The maximum entropy state of perfect equilibrium seems to be the beginning and the end of everything in the material universe. Everything in between is merely a process to reach back to that state again. When Sir Roger Penrose says there was nothing before the big bang, I think he means we don't know or cannot see but what if we could. I have seen some videos of Sir Penrose where he is contemplating the role of consciousness which makes things very interesting as we have a new variable that requires attention and investigation. It might also provide answers to reconcile principles of Quantum mechanics and General Theory of Relativity.
Our sincere congratulations to Sir Roger Penrose for winning the 2020 Nobel Prize in Physics! Well deserved!
Yes!! Very cool
I was wondering some quantum discussions. But, very classical approach to answering the questions. Overall, great insights.
@dontzenyourselfout ?
I was able to reconfirm how good your selection is! More Nobel laureates must come out of this show!
The theory of black holes is a mathematical theory and not a scientific theory. The mathematical theory of black holes looks pretty, and perhaps Dr. Penrose has earned the Nobel price for the sophisticated mathematics of the mathematical theory. But the theory does not have any experimental/observational proof. And the scientific method requires experimental/observational proof to verify any hypothesis/theory. According to the theory of black holes, black holes cannot be observed directly. What you see in books and magazines, TV and internet - those are computer simulations and not real black holes. The indirect evidence of the existence of black holes comes from the accretion disks surrounding the alleged black holes. But other objects can be extremely compact, something like quark stars, for example, to create accretion disks.
Which brings us to another huge flaw of the theory of black holes - the assumption that at certain conditions (like those inside a massive collapsing star) nothing can stand against gravitational contraction. This tremendous assumption is made without experimental/observational proof. Therefore, it denies the scientific method. We know that when stars collapse, degenerate pressure of electrons or neutrons stops the gravitational collapse at some point. depending on the mass of the stars. We also know from experiments that when experiments attempt to squeeze quarks too tightly, they exhibit asymptotic freedom that makes further gravitational collapse into a black hole unlikely - the mathematical theory of black holes does not take these experimental facts into consideration at all.
Furthermore, if you studied the general relativity theory, you have to know that according to the equations of the General relativity theory, the collapse of a star into a black hole looks differently depending where an observer is. If the observer is very close to the collapsing star, then the collapse is extremely quick. However, for distant observers, the time of the collapse stretches to infinity. Gravitational collapse time dilation = If a black hole is formed by gravitational collapse, then to an outside observer the relativistic time dilation of the event means that it reaches its Schwarzchild limit (and becomes an actual black hole) after an infinite amount of time.
Which means that a distant observer would have to wait for eternity to see how the collapsing star finally becomes a black hole. If the equations correct, than we, distant observers, cannot observe black holes and from our point of view those stars in the process of collapse into alleged black holes remain to be observed by us as collapsing stars and not black holes.
That is, the theory of black holes tells us that from the point of view of a collapsing star, it has already collapsed and formed a black hole, and from the point of view of external observers, the star has not yet collapsed to form a black hole. Hence, the black hole exists and it does not exist at the same time. But they show us computer-enhanced simulations of black holes and assure us that the black holes are "readily observed." And for the "black hole exists" part, please check again the first part of my comment- there is no observational/experimental proof that the collapse of a neutron star into a black hole is unstoppable.
Congratulations to Dr. Penrose.
His Nobel Prize had been a long time coming.
yay for getting the dynamite patent money that also goes to mass murderers and pedophiles! whoo!!!
@@sumdumbmick lol
@@zhodraa I know, I know, there's no place for facts in science... if there were it wouldn't be funny.
Richard Pryor told a story of he and his best friend, famous football player Jim Brown. Pryor constantly would show off all his wealth/purchases. Brown never deviated from one topic ONLY: "what about that pipe?" Pryor was desperately addicted to cocaine.
"Heat" is Pryor's pipe. ALL the tap dancing fails to remove the epi-phenomenon of heat.
It cannot begin....it must always end.
It disallows THIS universe beginning....it forecloses on THIS universe being eternal.
EVERYTHING Penrose et al contrive is done with the denial that thermodynamics cannot be reconciled. It's the assumption that the universe HAS A NATURAL EXPLANATION/ETIOLOGY. THAT AIN'T SCIENCE....IT'S RELIGION....
@@WayneLynch69 it's not science if we take the espoused definition of science, which is essentially identical to rigor, but it is perfectly fine science as it's actually practiced, which is as a religion.
This is a great video about how theoretical physicists hypothesise about the Universe, getting help from mathematicians to identify the mathematics needed to express these ideas, and come up with a theory that experimental physycists and astrophysicists can use to make observations to verify the theories. We're very fortunate to have an intellectually honest theorist like Roger Penrose to explain these ideas without any pretence that they are nothing more than ideas at this stage, whereas some scientists like to promote their ideas in the media, giving the rest of us the impression that their hypotheses are accepted by the scientific community when in fact they are simply promoting them.
I liked how at one point he said "I've changed my mind" and then corrected himself to say it's an idea he's working on that his thinks is promising.
The JWST is already proving Penrose's theories
Mathematics is the language of nature ,
Yeah like the stubborn and rude Neil Degrasse
That's the exact opposite of a scientific method and procedure. That's an absolute charlatanism, pseudoscience, and medieval stupidity. We don't come up with nonsensical nonsense, name our fiction and then go out in the world looking for proofs of its existence.
I just love how Sir Roger Penrose explains a concept so difficult to grasp as a Universe before the big Bang where "time" in a sense doesn't existed or passed as we are used to experience in our universe, in a way that even people that don't have a physics background can understand. What a remarkable man 😁👌👌.
I love it when Roger Penrose says "you see" he genuinely wants us to see as he does.
Well "you see" this video started with a blur (literally), then it became crystal clear. ;D
You have, and *can* have, no idea what he " sees", any more than you can experience what another experiences
Do you want others to "see" as you do, and if so why?
Yeah. I'm sure he is (or was -- IDK if he still teaches) one helluva good teacher. If more educators in modern times were as sincere in their efforts as is Dr. Penrose, we (the USA) almost certainly would not be in the current pickle in which we find ourselves with regards to the abysmal state of our population's "education".
[Begin ranting in...3...2...1...]
You were warned...lol
You know, the one where over half of America's high school graduates were unable to find the UNITED FREAKING STATES OF AMERICA on a globe...and That was over twenty years ago.
Now, all of those "baby Einsteins" are so-called "adults" who keep themselves busy by convincing themselves, each other, and any other dull minds they can reach, that the earth is either flat, hollow, or both, and the moon is hollow, and etc., etc.
Yessir, we're just BEGGING for another group to take the lead in world affairs, which won't end well for us, at least not if you prefer English (or any other Romantic language) over Cantonese. Or, maybe it's just the freedom to be or to do...Anything of Your choice, really, that appeals to you, rather than living where you're told to live, working where you're told to work, gaining access to a very, VERY short list of government approved and government edited programming over the airwaves, and ditto the interwebs.
Yeah, the USA is, unquestionably, filling itself with Eloi, ripe for the picking.
We are voluntarily expediting the wholesale slaughter of our bodies, our minds, our freedoms, and our property, to name just a few of the things we will lose before all is said and done, should we continue to fail our youth (and ourselves) in education, as we have been doing for several decades now.
(SNS for the rant...lol. I just hope that maybe...MAYBE...if more people who HAVEN'T grown old, grown filthy rich, and permanently affixed themselves as a Neverending Part of our dysfunctional Political System [I'm looking at YOU, Congressmen and -women (and members of the Executive Branch, of course) who have been screwing...uhhh, Serving...I meant SERVING!...the People of our great nation for longer than I've been alive -- you g*ddamned jackals...you power hungry crooked SOBs!]...
...MAYBE, if we make enough noise about this problem then it might get fixed. But I doubt it, because that would require several attributes which are all in short supply in this country these days. I'm talking about things like values that are based on ethics rather than on a "Me! Me! Me!" mentality. I'm talking about working for what you have. And I'm also talking about The Big One -- Personal Accountability, which has become more or less nonexistent nowadays thanks to an increasingly coarse media which glorifies murdering, raping, stealing, cheating on your spouse, stealing from anyone and everyone you can, being lazy, believing that you're some kind of "badass gangsta!" (as if That is somehow a worthy and valuable goal...), and on and on and on...like this rant!
And it ALL starts in our homes; our broken homes, which are at BEST dysfunctional even IF the parents stay together, and on and on...
But that's a whole new, different (but connected) rant for another time...
*SIGH*
@@jmanj3917 Those that abuse capital letters(clearly unwittingly) emphasis *nothing* but the hysteria of the abuser.
I didn’t understand anything, but its fine i can memorise and repeat everything to make me look smart when i’m explaining physics to my dog.
GOOD ONE! My dog used philosophical metaphysics to learn that next-door's cat travelling at twice the speed of sound is not to be trifled with! ;)
Well,you should use the feynman technique
@@rosros2795 There really ARE slots for everything in creation, aren't there? I'd never heard of this bloke, but have lived a long and volatile life in line with his principles. I put it down to the gift of a very high IQ and a memory that never forgot anything. (learned to play chess in a couple of hours and was playing in the state team a few weeks later. ) Also learned Shakespearean plays verbatim after two or three readings (to argue AGAINST the value of Shakespeare!) and used to explain the connection between the two: had a sense of the inherent mathematics of chess being evident in Shakespeare's work, and the philosophy of Shakespeare being clearly evident in chess. I always just assumed it was the job of the brain to make those sorts of connections so's the whole 'creation' could be sensed as a whole. But unfortunately my dog's brain doesn't work like that!
@@dabbbles I was just kidding man...
@@rosros2795 That's ok. Just that I'd never heard of Feynman (despite being fairly widely read over many years), so I checked him out on google and immediately recognised myself in a way I never had before. For example, I often ask for definition of an issue or a word/concept because it ties all the other bits together into a kind of mesh that stores in my brain as sort of a picture. These days you might say 'the way hard-drive works' Quite uncanny! Cheers
"I come to you because you have some unique-ass insights"
-Robert Lawrence Kuhn
i’m fucking dead
I heard that too, thought I must have imagined it...
I think he had an adjective in mind starting with 'as-' but ended up dropping mid sentence and this is the result lol
"Big if true." -Robert Lawrence Kuhn
"My name is Robert Lawrence Kuhn" - Robert Lawrence Kuhn
There is nothing like listening to somebody who knows what they are talking about, they have the ability to explain it to people like me and use analogies and the like to allow me to visualise what it a very difficult theory etc. In addition they don't get lost and confused when asked questions during their explanation, they just respond to the question and go back on track and that I suggest is because what they are talking about is very clear in their mind and hence it is easy for them to talk about it
I've heard or read about Roger Penrose and his work countless times over the years, but I honestly think this is the first time I've ever seen him on screen. He seems to be an amazingly good communicator so I don't know why we don't see more of him. Brilliant man.
As a humble man perhaps he is not overly interested in himself as being "me", a characteristic perhaps others could do well to follow?
@@stuartmccall5474 He is from a different time my friend. A far different generation that no longer exist or is just fading away. I believe the societal concept of "Individualism" will be studied longer after I'm gone from this place and the effects it had on the people resent today. I am 25 years old though so I do hope I get to read and understand it before I go!
@@GreaseMonkey097 : Perhaps? I think also his origins were an influence. Individualism, in its nowadays classically accepted definition or form, is a construct more at home in US Society as a requisite of "pursuing the dream" towards the amassing of money and what it can bring, this necessitating a significant degree self centeredness and ruthlessness rather then just a degree of the same. Obviously this is a general observation and not absolute.
If you compare Sir Roger with Paul Dirac, Alan Turing and Stephen Hawking etc., they all worked with a team of others in order to have others to bounce their ideas off and were all very modest individuals. I think working in a vacuum is the more difficult way to make progress, as all that does is confirm your own brilliance.
@@stuartmccall5474 I completely agree! The future of the Science's should continue to be the collaborative effort of the intelligent. It's the only way we have progressed this far to begin with. Looking forward I do not believe Individualism, as a molding affect on society or simply just a way of Life, will impact the Science's that much. Maybe that is the beauty of culture though. The work is done as backdrop noise by the people who cared enough to do it.
Are these people just searching for God.???
For a guy close to 90, Roger looks amazing and has as sharp a mind as ever. Also a total professional: note how he seamlessly repeats himself after the interruption at 09:55 to provide an opportunity to do an edit at that point.
This was definitely some years ago, 12-20 years I'd guess. His is visibly much older than this now. Personally, I like his voice now as opposed to younger days such as this.
Definitely. No doubt an amazing man. A well deserved accolade.
He never stop learning. Researching. Pursuing for new discoveries. When you don't give up, the chase keeps you young.
Exactly! That was my impression listening to him answering questions at such an advanced age! He looks and sounds unbelievably young! God bless him even more!
Not only that, but he does not have the arrogance of some scientists
I was lost - totally lost for most of this- but was still fascinated enough to listen and watch through to the end. Who else is like me?
The universe is alive and forgets how big/how small it is...what's not to understand lol? ...keep in mind, these nobel prize winning geniuses haven't a clue how the universe works. It's all best guesses leading to more questions. We try to understand existence by using logic/math, yet we have no idea if that will work or not. You're lost because we are all lost. He's talking about things that only math can make sense of. Infinity, for example, is not a real thing, or at least we don't know if it is or not. it might be and his theories might be correct. But we don't know. Just my 2 cents. I'm lost also:)
@@TheWeirdSide1 You're both lost because you're idiots. Its totally conceivable.
We all r
@William White Clearly my comment went above your head. Try actually understanding what I wrote. You shouted, "logical fallacy" using logical fallacy..lol!
@@T0mat0S0up Well said. Now please learn how to read, dumbass.
I follow and understood the concept and it’s beautiful in its simplicity. I don’t follow the math, though.
I can listen to Sir Roger talk all day long. He’s so humble and seems so grandfatherly.
Congratulations to Sir Rogen Penrose for winning the Nobel Prize !
Sir Roger winning is a stark contrast to Obama "winning" the Nobel Prize, who had accomplished absolutely nothing.
@@randallrogers6350 the two committees judge entirely different things.
and frankly, doing "nothing" was a far cry better than doing the "something" that BushCo did.
@@randallrogers6350 That Kissinger is a nobel laureate vacated a substantial amount of the prize's meaning long ago.
@@randallrogers6350 Trump paid his taxes "in advance". That's a shout-out for morons everywhere.
@@Tony-oi3mw Don't confuse Nobel Prize in Physics with Nobel Peace Prize which has become politicized!
*The end is the beginning*
Congratulations Sir Roger Penrose.
Sefer Yetzirah (Book of Formation, a kabbalistic work): The end is wedged in the beginning and the beginning in the end
The universe was not keeping time in the beginning. Given relativistic speeds ( even exceeding C during inflation) how can we say
1 how old the universe is ( how do we correct for the time dilation when particles were moving at these speeds?)
2 there was ever a “before” the universe
Donuts
why do i literally see you everyhwere
@@KabbalahDecoded WOW!! KINKY!
I keep watching these videos thinking that some day I'll make it past 30 seconds before I'm completely lost. A man needs to have a dream.
Smoke a joint first
@@mikewatt8706 Great idea!
@@mikewatt8706 I did as you advised but now I´m wondering how an infinite universe can be expanding ....
@@kerryburns6041 Expansion feeds infinity.
@@Paine137 You cannot be Sirius.
9:53 The sheer amount of energy required to verbalise such abstract concepts actually caused books to start falling out of their shelves behind the interviewer. The small inflection of happiness across Penrose's face is as a result of a bet he made decades earlier when an identical thing occurred while explaining quantum dynamics to a classmate. The classmate said that if he could do that again, he'd pay for him to have a lapdance.
It's just Matthew McConaughey sneaking around in the 5th dimension.
Such imagination !😂
@@jemhoare2105 😂😂😂😂😂
@@afreenreads3313 imagination? Maybe. It’s also derivative from the bet made by Hawking and Thorne.
This was so delightfully and creatively random I’ve given you a like. Really made me smile. 😂
he's not afraid to put these wonderful ideas out there to say how they fare. and congratulations to roger penrose for his nobel prize.
There numbers that they just made up they don't even know if that math exists.
Such a beautiful way of talking about physics. Didn't understand a thing,but somehow what he said resonates with me.
I second that.
Listening to Penrose is like having a narrated acid trip.
I had to take acid so I wouldn't freak out
OK folks, Proof this guy is talking nonsense. He misses out the most important factor.
GOD
let me give you all a chance to stretch your brains and convinve you all of a superior inteligence to begin with. let me give you all a video here by me, and ask all of you if any of you can solve tyhis mystery, I bet the author of this video hasnt got a clue
ua-cam.com/video/_ao42M2vRIw/v-deo.html
OK folks all study this video and see if any of you can decipher this alien message. I will put up the video that displays the message in a week or so. good luck
@@expattaffy1954 shut up. God is gay
@@expattaffy1954 i think you may have taken to much acid
@@expattaffy1954 if there is a God, I think he would be ok with us humans trying to understand this stuff. It's not much different from humans working out how we breathe, the discovery of gravity, how to make a combustion engine etc etc just another discovery bout how reality works. Just as wondrous, probably more, than a great magician in the sky waving his wand and kapoof! creating it all in a day .
He just made my life worth more. I always believed there must be something before the big bang which may be unimaginable, but it never crossed my mind that size is just a number.
Not a clue what he's on about but still so fascinating.
I know right? Would love to be able to visualise and understand this stuff.
Same. Wonderful video.
😂I read this prior too watching….. perfectly described what I thought about this shit
With you there Mike! Understand for about a nanosecond then I'm gone, but I love the fact that I am. God knows we need super smart people.
Yup. I feel special after listening to him.
A large part of me is happy I understood perhaps 1% of what he said.
1%? If I got 1-10th of 1% I'd have a PHD.
He was simplifying it you know. ???
😄 I have the same feeling..
Hé wasn’t speaking technically. He was speaking in broad terms to provide general understanding of the concepts.
Jees!
Congratulations Sir , for winning the 2020 Nobel prize in Physics .
We live in electromagnetic based universe. Our universe is plasma / electric universe.
Penrose is full of crap. Blackholes are fiction. Big Bang Theory is fiction. Subatomic physics is full of fraud.
what does some gang of mice handing out prizes signify? by 'mice' I mean nothings and bodies.
The universe needed to exist because my personal awesomeness was simply irresistible.
This man is a living genius as great as they come..Congratulations Sir Roger Penrose on a well earned Noble Prize.
LOL
He's not a genius. The last one true genius was Leonardo DiVinci
Not as famous as Stephen Hawking for obvious reasons but equally brilliant
@@markbeames7852 roger penrose is a million times smarter than leonardo davinci
@@sebastianwendelbo5453 lets not get into an unprovable and unnessesary debate.
While I know I didn’t understand a lot I still found it fascinating and engaging. And I did take away the key idea that the universe is “constantly” flip flopping between being infinitely small and then infinitely big. Like scaling an image you can drag it to nothing and if you keep dragging it starts to expand but is now a mirror image of itself. I guess all I’m say is Thank you for making me think
For an absolute ignorant like myself this was intense, but absolutely brilliant. The clock metaphor for the time and matter correlation is strinkingly simple and jawdropping. Never before had I seen such a simple and clear way to put it. From then on the concept becomes accessible for a total ignoramous like me to being able to at least follow the rest of the conversation. Also, the way it is put also leads me to think as time as a dimension of its own due to the close relationship it holds with the very nature of space. Not a new concept for me but now I feel like I get a true reason why for it. Of course, for a physicist, what I am saying may be of the most basic intellectual incompetence, but I find it so astounashingly fascinanting that I can't hold myself from sharing my deepest respect for the minds that can trully grasp this.
There are interesting correlations between Position/Velocity, Position/Frequency, Space/Time and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. The core math is conjugate variables. but the fact that all these things are perfect analogies of each other makes me feel like that time is just the frequency of space at some weird fundamental level.
@@brooklyna007 YEAH! Make a video explaining your idea more?
@@timflippance3040 I would love to. But I am responsible for a family and an engineering team and they are taking all my time. =)
@@timflippance3040 But I am happy to answer any questions about the above on this thread.
I had a brilliant physics and astronomy teacher in the 90's. His name was Franck W. Pettersen, RIP. He was head of the Tromsø Aurora Planetarium back in the day, but he grew tired of it, because he only showed the guests "touristy" things there, when he really wanted to explore the deep ideas about the universe itself. So, he quit that job and became a teacher at a nearby high school. His idea was that there could probably be more than one universe, and or perhaps a kind of string of universes like Penrose suggests here. It was just a hunch he had, so to speak, but either way, having him as a teacher was an honour, not just for me, but for most of the other pupils who was greatly inspired by him.
I love Penrose, he's always been a fav of mine and I've read several his books as well which were amazing. Legend. This chat here is super engaging and entertaining.
Sir Roger is the best of the best. Brilliance, humanness, and common sense.
What about the invisible realm? I didn't hear Sir Roger mention it at all. Did you?
means what?
Thank you for finding the words... so regular people (like me) can have a glimpse on such deep, beautiful and complex theme. I’m amazed!
This is my subject. We are blessed to have Roger.
This concept is absolutely amazing. I love the idea of infinity being like a place that you never get to, until you realize you are already there, and things have already changed.
That seems like the purest nature of what infinity could be.
In Plato times, numbers had a DIVINE connotation that has been lost today.....
but ccc doesent work, I can explain u that
The Universe created something to observe itself.
infinity is the other side where you are not now at it. (Where one is it is here and infinity is on the other side.)
@@nmkzf proof?
Dear CTT, thank you for your effort to bring in such a distinguished guest as Dr. Penrose. Also thank you for taking advantage of his wisdom on such an interesting and fun topic. Your channel and its contents are a precious contribution to public science education that helps us humans to become better species. Warm regards from a subscriber.
YES THE gorgon speaks.... BUT WILL SHATNER have mercy
Topic is sensationally beautiful & most demanding . It is touched , which is highly rewarding . Prof Dr CCBISWAS .
If only someone would ask, or would have asked the Penrose fellow exactly what he seeks to convey by " the universe", I guarantee you he would not be able to tell you without waffling and you_knowing, or as is said beating about the bush.
Emphasis on fun, because that is what it is!!!!!
"Better" in what sense and by what measure?-likeable?
We're so lucky to be living in this age with so much knowledge.
Yet, humanity seems hell bent on death by ignorance.
Lmsolllllllll
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
you think this is good?..wait another 100 yrs or so, haha
The more knowledge the more ignorant tiny and fragile we seem
Thanks for these insights . Amazing how one can explain things like you do . Not using any powerpoint or animation. I remember speech in Warsawa about 8 years ago. I skipped Rock-Concert because i could join in copernicus science center your speech - what a good decision.
“Oh yea, I understand you completely man. Science and space and stuff, totally get it all”
This man has a fascinating view; and a wonderful way of expressing things
I don't think he's good at explaining what he means
This is actually AMAZING. Instead of a cold death with no mass or reason for time, the Universe becomes reorganized through cosmic radiation.
Walking down the street one day a big bang occured in me A powerful anxiety or naked fear hit me and it. Took an hour to dissopate I reasoned that it had been buried inside me for years secretly controlling me After it's released and my awareness of its existence my addictions gradually left and i had a deeper understanding the hidden forces that controlled me May our understanding of the big bang lead to a better understanding of our exiistence as a species as well.
I love Penrose. He’s such an easy to understand and thoughtful person. His ideas are always so innovative.
Congratulations Sir Roger Penrose! Amazing genius with modesty to admit that this is a mathematics, and physical reality could br different.
Every time he says “you see” I really wish I could see it. 🤣 I understand these ideas almost like it’s all part of a dream and I just woke up and the more I try to remember the dream the more it evaporates.
Nicely expressed 😊👌🏼 I was thinking and feeling the same but cdn't think of expressing it in such an articulate way 👌🏼👍
Are you not at all interested in why that is and could not possibly be otherwise?
@@vhawk1951kl of course I am interested in all of these types of discussions! I love how these abstract ideas become concrete realities as scientific exploration continues and answers are found.
perhaps like trying to catch or escape from, your shadow?
A unique talent to explain math and physics for the layman to understand. He is a very good speaker.
It is an honour to hear from such a great man like Roger Penrose
It really shows how great a mind he is to be able to explain such a complex concept in relatable language
It shows how much he knows about the subject, great scientist right there.
Many congratulations to Sir Roger Penrose for his long lived and brilliant career, working with Stephen Hawking and many others. His copious Mathematical Works have enriched the World over the last 70 years.
Thanks to R.L. Kuhn for not interupting Roger and allowing him to jabber on to complete his ideas, many interveiwers are constantly inserting themselves and become a distraction
Very well deserved Nobel prize Roger. Absolutely love listening to his interviews especially on his work with anaesthetist Stuart Hammerof. I genuinely think their work is as close as it gets to possibly identifying the roots of consciousness. Roger can probably also create the equations to prove it....
Yes ! the orchestrated reduction theory is the only contender for a "theory of consciousness"
A short clip to celebrate Noble Prize winning of Roger Penrose:ua-cam.com/video/mDuF64tHStY/v-deo.html
@@realitycheck1231 thanks
I'm fascinated by some theories of Penrose, specifically what he talks about in this video.
The most interesting part is watching Sir Roger explain these theories in an everyday manner. I couldn't do that
"Eternity is no big deal to a photon"
Remember that next time youre waiting in the queue outside the bank standing two metres apart
This will be like eternity to us.
Think laterally. Carry a gun. No waiting. (pays well, too.)
????? who stands in the queue? Breeze into the bank, head for the teller's cage coughing and spluttering all over the place, and you'd be amazed how quickly the queue disappears! That might be the very reason god created the virus. (and "saw that it was good")
@@dabbbles 🤪
@DR Rvps Aakash hmmmm. So you're saying relativity is relative?
Brillant man and a great communicator. Only in a few occasions I’ve listened to someone conveying such difficult mathematics concepts so elegantly simple.
Agreed 100%.
Brilliant or not he has absolutely no idea what he means by " the universe" or " reality", and certainly no more of an idea than you do and both of you have no idea at all.
What does " brilliant mean and why do you suppose the old fool that cannot define his terms to be " brilliant"?
1 the link between frequency and time, so simple and yet so strong. 2 "the universe forgets how big it is", like "there's no need to continue this. Let's start all over". Powerful ideas.
Incredible. I understood what he said. He stubled while explaining, but it reached me. Feels like a revelation to me. Another great way of looking at how the universe began. Thank you.
"I have another idea which I'm pursuing which has a reasonable chance of being right." Awesome humility.
I do like this idea of the end being the next start
You'd probably like Genesis to Revelation then. Its the older version of some modern physics tales.
@@thetruthshed Lol. I laugh at Christians who think the religion they happened to have been born into is the correct religion out of the thousands to have ever existed and currently exist.
No, this has nothing to with Revelation.
@@dynamicflashy well your laughing at something. But I wasn't raised or born into being a Christian. Read the whole Bible and maybe you will see. I sometimes laugh at my old self for thinking I was so smart while being an "atheist" and thinking I was so not religious. God loves people, but you don't have to love Him back if you choose not to, but that'd be a bad choice on your part. Keep laughing if you want. Jesus wept. So do I at times. Peace to you and your friends and family.
@@dynamicflashy I suggest you study religions, history, science and philosophy. You may then realize there's basically only ever been two "religions" or ways. Faith in God and faith in something or someone that is not God.
@@thetruthshed I have studied those things at great length. Heck, I was a Christian for 20 years. Philosophy is my bread and butter.
Also, I have extensive knowledge of Christianity, Judaism and Islam, to name a few.
Faith in God? A singular god? What about all the thousands of religions that have multiple gods?
Even Christianity effectively has multiple Gods (see Trinity), even though many within the religion (who are seemingly confused by the their own religion) don't understand this.
98% of people either believe what they believe due to the family and community they were born into, or they were forcefully converted.
Glad to discover Roger Penrose! He is able to explain very complex science to lay people like me. His theory makes beautiful sense to me, and answers some important questions, such as what happened before the Big Bang. I was thinking these gravitational ripples could even contain information that could be passed to the next universe. The theory reminds me of Hindu creation concepts and some of Buddhism/ Taoism as well. Absolutely awe inspiring.
Here Penrose explains his theory where the beginning is also the end! Profound. As a small child I used to have "scale invariance" nightmares believe it or not - where what I held between my thumb and forefinger was no different to some huge object in outer space. It was all the same. I love the reference to Echer's angels and devils!
“Whoop there it is” - Roger Penrose
Yes, that was awesome.
Shakalaka shakalaka
"It is pretty hard to bore a photon" - Sir Penrose
Has to be the most deeply insightful yet equally hilarious statement I ever heard.
We can make 'light' of it...
lets go with " deeply insightful " and yes I agree 💕
Ha Ha..
Believing in Big Bang itself requires perhaps more faith then believing in God. You have to be a true follower (of Big Bang) to appreciate it without questioning.
when you last experienced " a photon" , how did you know what you were experiencing was " a photon"?
@@kavindrachetna no arguing with that, bravo.
Wife: "What are you watching "?
Me: " Errrrrrr I,ll explain it to you later".
She thinks I was talking about the series
This is basically Space Porn.
@@MegaParrotMan and it’s pretty hardcore
she wants big bang bang.
An inevitable smile radiates from the joy of understanding. Thank you.
The number of PhDs acquired is proportional to the layers of clothes one can wear without breaking a sweat
Today I learned I'm going to fail my PhD
Perspiration Hitherto Denied lol
no, libraries are just cold
Dani Manrique M. Sooo funny lol Also sad, after realizing I mostly wear a t shirt
degrees show how well you answer questions on tests.. and.. how good you were as a grad student slave for your doctoral advisor and overseers.. ☆☆☆ despite much advertising to the contrary . .. education is not something someone else does to us.. it's what we do to satisfy our own curiosity
I'll have to listen to this a few more times before i come close to understanding any of it.
Lmsollllllll
.... If you really want to know why the uni was created ask prisoners who are doing time.
Learn basic physics
When Sir Roger finally built up to the possible similarities between the very remote past and the very remote future, with the exception of scale, for which there will be no meaningful measure, my jaw actually dropped. What an elegant concept! This video is also an excellent demonstration of how individual notions build on each other within and eventually between generations of scientists.
Me too .. couldn't agree more .. 'elegant concept' indeed .. :-)
Dear uptown 3636,
Thank you so much for putting it all together into a statement which perhaps will make sense to all of us out there who can now relate and reverberate more clearly with what they felt like and thought after listening to Sir Roger...
I have a doubt . during Big bang temperature is highest. And in future which sir refer here , temperature will be lowest and all photons will be in low energy state. Then how temperature will increase and initiate a new big bang in future. Can anyone help
@@jishnuraj9866 I think what he's saying is that its not the absolute temperature that's important but the relative temperature that matters. So rather than thinking of the big bang as the hottest and the distant future as the coldest its more that at the big bang temperature was uniform, meaning at maximum entropy, and in the distant future it will be uniform, equally meaning maximum entropy, and with maximum entropy comes the inability to measure time and with it measure anything else. So I think in the same way that he said that the universe would forget it's size with no way to measure it, it would also forget it's absolute temperature as there would also be no way to measure that.
@@stephen2437 I think as per second law of thermodynamics entropy is increasing with time and irreversible without outside interference. It's just a measure of vibration of particles. At the big bang temperature was high and entropy lowest .
So wonderful that he is still thinking outside of the box. Doesn't feel the need to write yet another paper on inflationary theory but would rather tackle truly big issues with truly revolutionary ideas, and ideas that most importantly can be tested.
Fascinating. Eternity is the absence of time (a clock)(a measuring stick). A singularity of energy gently disturbed by gravitational waves like raindrops on a pond setting the stage for a new expansion. WOW! The wonder of it all. Should make all humans treat each other better knowing that somehow, someway, we are a significant part of all of this.
Humans are not a significant part of the universe, that’s your ego misconstruing our importance through your myopic vision. In reality, we’re a temporary spec on an infinite plain whose collective existence will vanish well before the sun expands into a Red Giant and engulfs the earth.
August Moon It never ceases to amaze me how someone who considers humans to be so insignificant can be so arrogant. You are entitled to your opinion but no need to undermine others who draw a different conclusion from the data.
It's amusing he uses Escher as an illustration to his ideas when his ideas had been an inspiration to Escher... :) Perfection!
Can we all just stop for a second to appreciate the fact that Roger Penrose said "Whoop, there it is" at 11:08
sum up for me exactly what he 'did' say.
@@vhawk1951kl Dude why are you such a troll? Give it up already
Always got time to listen to this man. Absolutely brilliant mind
Sir Roger here is persuing his idea of Tessellation Universe! Like those tessellation drawings of MC Escher. Also knows as conformal geometry! 🙌
Congratulations to Sir Roger Penrose, both for the Noble Prize and for making my head explode. I love this channel, I’ve followed you on your quest for a while now and I hope we find the answers.
Whate exacly is stroking your pleasure reaction?
Very well deserved win of Noble Prize 2020, Dr. Penrose is one the the few physicists who contemplates on "consciousness" in a proper manner.
His speculative albeit interesting views on consciousness had nothing to do with his nobel prize... His contribution to actual theoretical physics research in the form of proving and deriving the Singularity theorems is what got him the prize.
His ”theory of consciousness” isn’t actual science. It’s just playful and creative speculation by a brilliant mind.
Clearly any fool can get one of those nonsense prizes.
@@vhawk1951kl Yeah any fool with a phd in mathematical physics who has proven the singularity theorems, been an author in hundreds of some of the most notable and influential scientific research publications of the last 100 years, discovered new features like Penrose tilings, Terrel -rotation etc and changed tensor calculus forever.
Oh wait I forgot that you don’t have any training in or even the slightest clue about differential and algebraic geometry and how they relate to spacetime because you’d prefer to just act edgy in yt comments as if you should be taken seriously when in reality you never even put the work in to study the subjects let alone get a degree in physics or mathematics. But with a bit of humility and diligence you could learn these subjects like anyone else.
@@vhawk1951kl Go on then. Go and get your fool's prize.
Great explanation. But what came before the “early stages?” Why is there anything at all? Awesome to think about
Quite a captivating idea and topic to speculate on. Time gives meaning to everything, I believe, Sir Roger Penrose wants to say here (of course, this is the extremely simplified version). This topic only needs a whole big documentary with neatly-put visual effects.
9:53 That's the universe beginning to feel just a little uncomfortable about what Sir Roger Penrose is saying
Hahah 🙌
More like 9:54/55.
But yes. The joke was genius.
Or maybe it was when the bicycle horn went off.
Extremely intelligent but also has the common sense to hold position, wait for the background noise to dissipate and repeat what he had said before the noise.
Prof. Hameroff is right: He IS an incredibly modest and sweet man given the fact that his thinking goes beyond anyone else's so far and he's still this down to earth to even chuckle and smile at his own ideas! And as to those ideas, of which I'm hoping to get the very basic aspects and essence: Absolutely genius to end all genius. Wow.
Get out of your own mind for a while you self absorbed pea.
No matter how much you try to think out of the box, you are always in the box and going in circles.
Read Stephen Hawkings last book and was somewhat depressed by the idea that "nothing" existed before the Big Bang. Sir Roger's infectious enthusiasm (and infinite intellect ! ) offers a glimmer of hope that talking about a situation Before the Big Band is maybe, not totally outrageous. This I find more reassuring even though I am conscious that the evolution of the Universe is a dispassionate unfolding of events.
The Big Bang never happened. Observations prove this.
I don't know about 'nothing'. The word often tends to be insufficient for the concepts involved. See also M-theory, brane cosmology, etc.
To quote Stephen Hawking " The great mystery at the heart of the Big Bang is to explain how an entire , fantastically enormous universe of space and time can materialise out of nothing.
@@fivish Learn just a little bit more to avoid saying nonsense, please!!
I find it contradicting to state there was notthing before the big bang and yet to explain dark matter and dark energy sir with respect i find this concludesion in conclussive
feels good to have a theory that says you will exist forever in all forms and all states
A huge congratulations to Sir Roger Penrose. Just wondering why this clip was removed from UA-cam for some time? Glad that it is back.
Did he use the word "Black" to describe black holes?
@@ibuprofen303 haha...at least he didn't use the N-word
First of all: The spoken English alone is a symphony to my mind. The scale invariance idea sounds really interesting.
one of the great minds of my lifetime. Congratulations Sir Roger.
Why Did Our Universe Begin? So that Roger Penrose could finally win a Nobel Prize.
True 3:44 does not make sense hence the nobel sir. Some big words some big theories which make no sense to us. Please put it in simple terms what was there before the big bang. Was it matter like murky water or what.
@@farrukh2325
3:56 "...there's NO before..."
😂😂😂
sounds like you read from the bible 🤔
As good of a reason as any.
Watched this three times and i think i finally understand what he means by universe forgetting how big it is. The funny thing is it actually makes sense.
Wht do either of you mean by" the universe"?How do you experience" the universe, and when experiencing it, how do you know that what you are experiencing is " the universe"?
Such an amazing interview ❤
11:08
"Whoop, there it is!"
Sir Roger Penrose.
Brilliant
I've been watching physics videos so long I've heard almost everything. This idea is amazing though. It makes a lot of sense actually.
Once you grok the notion that photons whizzing around an otherwise empty universe experience zero time in what an external observer would see as infinite time, it all clicks. "Eternity" is instantaneous, statistics take over, and some quantum fluctuation or another kicks off the next aeon.
My favorite part of the concept is that it neatly answers the question of what came before the big bang (namely, more of this. we have the full story already.) and it also gives us some weird comfort in the possibility that this whole Universe thing doesn't end with a whimper.
What this guy is speaking speaks volumes! I like how he’s not locked into a position and how he has the ability to evolve! My personal opinion is like 80% of the population I really don’t know in the back of my mind how all this came into existence but I do know it’s a lot of fun learning. Put your seat belts on my friends because this man is from another intellectual planet! Lol
You understand that 'evolve' means unroll?
If not, what exactly do you mean by it or seek to convey when you use the word?
What a great great interview
Wow! The most informative 17 mins in my life so far! This is why I want to study Astrophysics. (I got offers from universities in the UK but didn't get the visa because I'm a Syrian seeker of freedom and asylum)
You understood all that? Give this man his damn visa!
I wish European countries would be more open to fugitives like you. They may not all turn out to be astrophysicians, but apart from the humanitarian reasons for being more open (which is already reason enough imho), I know they can be an enrichment for society and make for stronger bonds with the future nations they originate from.
Speaking as a Brit, I genuinely apologise for our ridiculously xenophobic govenment and the electorate that loves them. We can't kick them out for at least 4 years, but eventually we will, and a progressive UK will want astrophysicists :-)
You should have applied to be a barista, wash cars or pick fruit & vegetables for almost nothing. These are the vital skills my government wants, not smart people - vulnerable ones.....
Good luck obtaining a future visa and with your studies
If both extremes are timeless and indistinguishable, then they are actually one thing.Time bounded by itself: its end also its begining.
No, your reasoning is flawed. Two different things can have many properties in common without any implication that they are the SAME thing. Many properties is not the same as all properties.
@@starfishsystems But "they" are not different: IT is time-in-the-universe.
That, too, is like my dog..chasing its tail.
To all the fans of Sir Roger Penrose I highly recommend reading his book The Emporer's New Mind. He goes into much more depth about his theory on what preceeded the Big Bang. He also goes into detail about how algorithms work and why computer algorithms cannot mimic human thinking or consciousness even in principle. A very excellent read that will leave AI cheerleaders quite butt hurt.
Did SRP literally write.."computer algorithms cannot mimic human thinking or consciousness"? Which were his stated definitions for "thinking" and " consciousness"? Does " cannot ", mean, " at the present time ", or, " we can safely assume that this will always be the case"? I'll read his book, but has to go at the end of a long reading list. Thanks..
@Al Garnier some say that the future already exists!
Thanks for the recommendation, sounds really interesting, I'm off to read it.
Algorithms are just brute force logic, nobody seriously thinking about the next generation of AI would rely souly on them, that's not how the brain works.
I was hoping the Plank's data will be shown, but with two confirmations (99.98%) I wonder why picture of the CMB was not shown and explained.
A brilliant explanation.
I'm just a layman with just an 'A Level' grasp of Mathematics, who has only dipped in and out of such concepts (over 40 years), but this guy sounded consistent with what I know and understand about this subject. And he was clear to say "I'm not saying this is true, it's just a speculation to consider" - that was exactly how Copernicus expressed his idea of a Heliocentric system.
However...just because in the past concepts that were thought to be impossible turned out to have some credence, doesn't mean that all such dubious concepts will eventually have relevance.
Sadly, I continually find that people don't understand the fundamental thing about 'science' (which is just the application of the 'scientific method') that it doesn't seek to 'prove' anything - it actually seeks to disprove everything (via scientific methods) and what we can't disprove, is the best we have.
This guy gets THAT! So, for me, he is a real scientist, and I so respect that.
It’s so beautiful that you feel the truth emanating out of this concept much like a gravitational wave.
Its a diabolical lie.
TOO HIS CREDIT ;. Intellectual honestly at 90%
How can you tell whether or not it is "true"(assuming you have any idea what you mean by " true")?
Ttue for "whom"?
@@vhawk1951kl You think the earth and the heavens is a coincidence?
how do you know it is(whatever you mean by) 'true'?- it corresponds with, or mirrors, what?
In a way, it seems that gravity is how the universe keeps in touch with itself as it spreads out. If it gets big enough, gravity ends, it develops amnesia, and a sort of renormalization occurs.
How? What does "forgetting" or "amnesia" of the universe mean?
@@ScienceUniverse I have to admit that my ideas are very nebulous and not backed up by and kind of math or science.
But seeing that physical laws and quantum entanglement appear to be everywhere the same, it occurs to me to wonder if there might be a point where these phenomena become disconnected.
As far as I know, gravity does never "end". It gets smaller with increasing distance, and thus it approaches zero but never actually becomes zero.
We live in electromagnetic based universe. Our universe is plasma / electric universe.
Penrose is full of crap. Blackholes are fiction. Big Bang Theory is fiction. Subatomic physics is full of fraud.
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@@prioris55555 haha … try living in the real world , you have any proof for this nonsense ?I think not .
Sir Roger always makes me smile!
A wonderful idea. Time is simply a brief anomaly between the beginning and the end, both being the same thing. I don't think it's sensible to think of "before" and "after" when they're inextricably bound to one another for their existence like light and shadow.
Just like there's no before and after noon for lazy people. lol
How is that any different from saying 'time' is blue?
Everything returns to the source..
Keep going! Neil Turok has pointed out that both the beginning and ending, zero and infinity, of the universe are extremely simple, that is describable in just a few numbers. It's in the in-between that things are complex allowing entities such as galaxies and human beings to exist.
Also, if you can transcend big and small, then zero and infinity are very similar in that, while both are projected on the real number line, neither behaves like any other real number. Which is why, when I'm thinking about things like this, I like to think using a logarithmic number line (Zero, ... 1/100, 1/10, 1, 10, 100, ... Infinity) where both zero and infinity can be approached but never reached. (Note: this zero is therefore slightly different from the additive identity zero we all know and love. And in my opinion, a much more interesting one!)
Something's going on there. Let me know when you figure it out!
@@CosmosMarinerDU Thank you! I love the "number" zero. So much so that I named one of my cats "Zero." I've intuited that zero is similar to infinity. I'll look into Turok. Thank you. :)
The end is the beginning!
Exactly... it's a vast and eternal circle. Out of time and space
Noah.... Infinity is perhaps not a never ending line in both dire tions, it's a circle... with an infinite radius.
God cannot be understood by human beings. We are inside a realm with finite time space dimensions....
@@reinhardstadler-wolffersgr1541 The universe could be cyclic without any intervention from Mr Magic Man.
ElectroShock smoke some dmt and you may change your mind. Definetly not a magic man, but an infinite source
No one has ever answered the questions "What triggered the big bang" and, "If time did not exist before the big bang, how could there be a "Time" for it to happen".
Science could never answere such questions.
I don't really understand what 'time' is, but if it is eternal, then it can have NEITHER a beginning NOR an end. So, if there ever was a Big Bang to create the physical universe as we know it today, not only time but space existed before the Big Bang. That space is as infinite as time is eternal, meaning that space has neither boundaries nor limits. I don't know where that reasoning leaves us, but perhaps this is where we leave the language of physics and mathematics and start conversing in the language of
theology and religion....and maybe even mythology!!😇
he does.. in this video...
@@knoxctry1569 says the guy using a device that wouldn't exist without science.
Even Penrose has no answers but he got a Nobel Prize for some maths with no reality.
Really enjoyed this and Sir Penrose is brilliant as always and explaining concepts in simple terms. The maximum entropy state of perfect equilibrium seems to be the beginning and the end of everything in the material universe. Everything in between is merely a process to reach back to that state again. When Sir Roger Penrose says there was nothing before the big bang, I think he means we don't know or cannot see but what if we could. I have seen some videos of Sir Penrose where he is contemplating the role of consciousness which makes things very interesting as we have a new variable that requires attention and investigation. It might also provide answers to reconcile principles of Quantum mechanics and General Theory of Relativity.