Thank you for that video. I'm currently in search for faith and spiritual identity. As a Christian who was never fully satisfied with the cosmology of orthodox Christianity but couldn't accept the absolutely negative view on creation provided by most gnostic schools I found the Valentian worldview to be extremely beautiful and tempting.
You might be interested in a series I did on the Gospel of Truth. There are four in the series and I'm the first to admit they are not of the best quality as they are from live teaching sessions. But they are details of some of Valentinus' teaching. Here is link to the first one: ua-cam.com/video/VsS-UpqK6ew/v-deo.html If you don't have a copy, the Gospel of Truth is in PDF form on line. Best wishes for you on your journey.
@@HistoryandReviews Thanks so much for watching. I'm thinking God didn't regret mountains, flowers, and fish; it was just us humans that turned him off ;)
Thanks for watching. The problem with understanding gnostics is that they didn't all teach or believe the same things. Probably in my intro to gnosticism I might cover the basics they have in common. It's sure an interesting study. Have fun.
What made you leave the catholic church? I live in Sweden and I miss being part of a church. I am thinking to visit a syrian orthodox monastary in Sweden.
@@Pilgrimsrummet Hello Mika. I am half Filipino, Italian. So the catholic faith was a given. When the abuse of children and other ugly events were brought into the light , I renounced faith all together. Yet CHRIST beckoned me to stay strong. I searched. Buddhism, Islam eastern philosophy and stoicism .as I searched, I found the Gnostic books. And here I am.
Hi Christine, You must be binge watching my channel today. Thanks for your interest. The fullness, or pleroma, was a gnostic way of describing the character or attributes of the good God, the Invisible Spirit. So, as I understand it, the answer would be no. They saw this Spirit as unknowable far beyond our understanding; what later religion liked to call a mystery. The answer might be something like, "If God loves one person, have you taken away from God's love; does he have less? No, because God is complete love; you can't take away from God. It would be the same with an aeon. The fullness does not change. Even though in some of versions of the myth, Sophia is for a time cast out of the pleroma. I don't think the gnostic was saying God became less of a God.
@@patpryor I was binge watching Lol. But I am also very curious by nature. Trying to wrap my head around certain belief systems, so when I talk to someone that is a gnostic I can relate and know where they are coming from and what they are articulating. Thank you for understanding and doing such a good job. Your friend.
Christine, The gnostics of today (just like in ancient gnosticism) have all kinds of different beliefs. Some of them are nothing like the ancient gnostics that I am speaking of. If you come across such a person, you might want to ask what group they follow and then do a google search for that particular brand of gnosticism. As you realize already, each religion comes with its own multitude of varieties.
Thanks for watching. I believe the short answer is no. In general all Gnostics believed that one was saved by finding the correct spiritual knowledge. This then released them from being captives in physical bodies on the earth.
Thanks so much for watching and commenting. Yes, I do know how to spell Valentinus the name of their leader. My title refers to the people who followed him; they are called Valentinians. Like here in New England we call people from Maine, Maniacs. Hope that brings clarification.
Very appreciated, thank you. I find Valentinus in between classic gnostics and classic christians, which is where I continously find myself.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. I guess that's a good place to be :)
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Thank you for that video. I'm currently in
search for faith and spiritual identity. As a Christian who was never fully satisfied with the cosmology of orthodox Christianity but couldn't accept the absolutely negative view on creation provided by most gnostic schools I found the Valentian worldview to be extremely beautiful and tempting.
You might be interested in a series I did on the Gospel of Truth. There are four in the series and I'm the first to admit they are not of the best quality as they are from live teaching sessions. But they are details of some of Valentinus' teaching. Here is link to the first one: ua-cam.com/video/VsS-UpqK6ew/v-deo.html If you don't have a copy, the Gospel of Truth is in PDF form on line. Best wishes for you on your journey.
@@patpryor Thank you, I will watch the videos and give you feedback 👍
Even orthodoxy views creation as negative. God literally regretted what He created
@@HistoryandReviews Thanks so much for watching. I'm thinking God didn't regret mountains, flowers, and fish; it was just us humans that turned him off ;)
Thank you very much for this discussion, excellent
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks so much for watching.
Thank you for this! Well articulated. I'm trying I figure all this Gnostic stuff out.
Thanks for watching. The problem with understanding gnostics is that they didn't all teach or believe the same things. Probably in my intro to gnosticism I might cover the basics they have in common. It's sure an interesting study. Have fun.
As a former catholic. I find myself drawn to GNOSTIC teachings. The Apocrypha of john has the MOST BEAUTIFUL DESCRIPTION OF THE TRUE CREATOR.
Thanks so much for watching my channel. I hope you find the various videos helpful.
I am Muslim. Finding myself increasingly drawn towards the teachings of Master Thoth the Atlantian.
What made you leave the catholic church?
I live in Sweden and I miss being part of a church. I am thinking to visit a syrian orthodox monastary in Sweden.
@@Pilgrimsrummet Hello Mika. I am half Filipino, Italian. So the catholic faith was a given. When the abuse of children and other ugly events were brought into the light , I renounced faith all together. Yet CHRIST beckoned me to stay strong. I searched. Buddhism, Islam eastern philosophy and stoicism .as I searched, I found the Gnostic books. And here I am.
@@michaelpaparelli3227 You went thru Gnosis and found knowledge...congrats! Your Gnostic Brother...
Gave it a like. Good talk
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If you remove one of the aeons from the fullness wouldn't it cease from being full or cease from being the fullness?
Hi Christine, You must be binge watching my channel today. Thanks for your interest. The fullness, or pleroma, was a gnostic way of describing the character or attributes of the good God, the Invisible Spirit. So, as I understand it, the answer would be no. They saw this Spirit as unknowable far beyond our understanding; what later religion liked to call a mystery. The answer might be something like, "If God loves one person, have you taken away from God's love; does he have less? No, because God is complete love; you can't take away from God. It would be the same with an aeon. The fullness does not change. Even though in some of versions of the myth, Sophia is for a time cast out of the pleroma. I don't think the gnostic was saying God became less of a God.
@@patpryor I was binge watching Lol. But I am also very curious by nature. Trying to wrap my head around certain belief systems, so when I talk to someone that is a gnostic I can relate and know where they are coming from and what they are articulating. Thank you for understanding and doing such a good job. Your friend.
Christine, The gnostics of today (just like in ancient gnosticism) have all kinds of different beliefs. Some of them are nothing like the ancient gnostics that I am speaking of. If you come across such a person, you might want to ask what group they follow and then do a google search for that particular brand of gnosticism. As you realize already, each religion comes with its own multitude of varieties.
Thank you for this video. (:
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your intro sounds like a alice cooper song Caught in a Dream
It's actually UA-cam music provided for creators. Called Birds in Flight by Dan Lebowitz.
Did the Valentinians think that Jesus's death could save you from hell?
Thanks for watching. I believe the short answer is no. In general all Gnostics believed that one was saved by finding the correct spiritual knowledge. This then released them from being captives in physical bodies on the earth.
very good , informative
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It’s Valentinus, not ‘Valentainus’. It’s spelled with an I, not AE.
Thanks so much for watching and commenting. Yes, I do know how to spell Valentinus the name of their leader. My title refers to the people who followed him; they are called Valentinians. Like here in New England we call people from Maine, Maniacs. Hope that brings clarification.
Can you STOP using CE? It is more respectful to BE respectful to others. Thank you.
Thanks for watching and commenting. What is your suggestion that I use instead of CE ? I have no wish to be disrespectful to people.