Gnosticism - Irenaeus and his Against Heresies - Catholic Orthodoxy vs the Valentinian Gnostics
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- Опубліковано 17 бер 2022
- Gnosticism came upon powerful and sustained assault beginning in the 2nd century, most famously by Irenaeus and in Five Book "On the Detection and Overthrow of the Falsely-Called Gnosis" better known as simply "Against Heresies." In fact, prior to the discovery of the Nag Hammadi Library in 1945, Irenaeus was our only real insight into these ancient gnostic spiritualities. With Irenaeus becoming a "Doctor of the Church" just this year (2022) and Gnosticism a more popular religious movement than ever let's explore this most ancient polemic against Gnosticism. Does Valentinus represent Gnosticism fairly? What are his exact religious and philosophical critiques? What can we learn about ancient Gnosticism and the proto-orthodoxy from his attack? How did this work earn him the title of "Doctor of the Church"?
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Albertus Magnus was another doctor of church with links to the esoteric, wasn't he? That could be an idea for another episode.
39:22 after all, 55 years of age ia not that odd, considering he died in Japan(?).
Why do you keep referring to St Irenaeus as a Catholic? He was a post-apostolic father, not a Catholic. There are no Catholics until 1053. Prior to that Rome was one of the patriarchates of the ancient faith. It had different theology and praxis from the Roman Catholic church of today. The church of St Irenaeus had no concept of penance, Purgatory, Mary as co-redemptrix, immaculate conception, the papacy, etc. By talking about St Irenaeus as a doctor of the Roman church you are assigning him to that church. He was fully just as much a member of the Eastern Orthodox church, the Protestants, the Oriental Orthodox church, and the Armenian church. Every large Christian group in existence today runs back through St Irenaeus. Rome has no ownership over him. Please refrain from the false notion that just because it's the biggest church today that means Rome is THE Christian church. It is not. You wouldn't say Abraham is the father of conservative Judaism and leave out orthodox Judaism would you? Of course not. So don't do it with Christianity.
Great appreciation for the 'this is fine' joke.
came for the academic level info about early christian theological drama, stayed for the memes and the jokes.
I'd also recommend St. Lawrence then, whom, the legend assures us, when roasted alive on a gridiron, cheerfully informed his torturers: "I'm well done on this side. Turn me over!"
I like the "nat 20" joke.
Extremely unfussed Martyrdom Scenes are probably my favorite subset of Christian art. I'm not sure if it tends to be on purpose, but the bland faces on people being burned/stabbed/attacked by animals is the vibe I wish to approach all my problems with.
"Well this isn't how I saw my day going, but ah well. Nothing much for it I suppose."
Y A S S S
I suppose when you're a prophet/heretic/martyr being killed by your fellow men is of no real surprise, thus the Welp face. The same as the Jim face from the Office.
I'd like to think they expected to be immortalized in picture form, and tried very, very hard to keep the appropriate expression. Nobody wants to be that one martyr who died while looking agonized and terrified!
It was a thing back then. Looking upreturbed when getting sworded meant you had pure,firm,upright,tough-guy faith.
I believe it was on purpose but even if it wasn't it acquired theological importance.
Always great to see content on "Gnosticism"... whatever that really means. Gnosticism and early Christian heresy is almost entirely why I am who I am today; when I was younger, my first big fascination stemmed from the question "why do Catholics and Protestants have a different number of books in their Bibles" which led to "what was not included in the Bible and why?" - despite being a Catholic! It was on this path that I found my passion for ancient literature and philosophy, and am now learning Latin and Ancient Greek in order to teach (eventually) it myself. Thank you so much for a trip down memory lane and new insight, Proffesor Sledge!
I feel the same way. Not even sure what to call Myself. Gnostic catholic don't sound right, especially since Crowly invented something called that. I am a cultural catholic, but definitely like the term gnostic.
@@SANxJONERO Gnostic Christian or Christian Gnostic maybe?
I personally, made a journey from
agnostic
to atheist
to serbian orthodox
to christian kabbalah
to jewish kabbalah and black magic
to angel magic without confession
to spiritual
to gnostic
to gnostic with old-orthodox culture.
I would call me orthodox gnostic or gnostic christian, because i believe in the gnostic texts + many other apocrypha + the orthodox (especially oldorthodox or oldbeliever) teachings.
Would you believe me if I said I’m going down this exact same path today? I crave enlightenment over everything. I just want to take my best shot at finding the truth, and truthfully I may never find it but through investing our whole lives into this investigation we ‘may’ afford future generations to come one step closer, that’s enough for me. Happy hunting fellow truth finder!
@@sander.otdx.atheist to Serbian Orthodox is a huge step, may I inquire what inspired this change? I used to be an atheist too but personally it felt lazy not inquiring into a higher power if not at least a higher standard for existing. Human ego I believe is the crutch of all existence, hence the human condition and I personally don’t believe human secularism has the means to cure it.
I was Mormon and now I am a hard-core orthodox Catholic. I love the history of the Church we should know the history in order to fight for Christ and the truth passed down in his Church.
Follow the truth and you will find Christ. God bless.
my favorite part of your videos is the calm, professional, and scholarly demeanor you use when speaking paired with captions like "WORLDSTAR! WORLDSTAR!"
It's the standard announcement for the commencement of fisticuffs.
As someone raised Mormon and who still attends, it may catch you off guard to say, but I thoroughly enjoy your channel. The past few years I've increasingly explored new ideological and theological ideas. And your channel has been incredible in providing new perspectives. Keep it up man, I love hearing you bring all these ideas into question and most of us greatly enjoy that questioning perspective.
Y'all LDS folks are keeping that Christian esotericism light on, for sure ;)
I as well am LDS and am fascinated with how the restored church has sprinkling of different strains of Christian and Jewish mysticism. You are not alone friend
@@joshezell4636 How do you guys explain the teaching that Native Americans were Jewish Lamamnites who were cursed to have dark skin? Your prophets used to teach this. In fact, they all used to teach that dark skin was a curse from God which is why African Americans were not allowed to join the priesthood until the 1970s.
@@randomango2789 they did indeed teach that, they still sorta do though they're trying to distance themselves from it. Given the Book of Mormon was written in the 1800s, it's not surprised the book used the "cursed by God" excuse to encourage colonization of America.
There are a lot of what may be considered moral problems with Mormon theology, but there are similar problems in the Bible (especially the Old Testament). Its an example of how religion can perpetuate harmful traditions, along with good ones (like loving your neighbor)
@@randomango2789 Its kinda interesting especially in Amerikan when new cults or something comes they seem very racial. Like the brotherhood of islam is nothing but Black supremacist movement pretty much. One of their core believes is for example that white people dont have soul, and whites were created by some evil person to destroy true sons of god (black people), and in the off shoot of brotherhood they believe white people are actually demons without soul doing satans work on earth.
I was a Mormon now converted to hard-core orthodox Catholic and I love these videos. I love history and I can feel my love of Christ, his Church, and for history itself growing.
Thank you for your content.
Finally left roman catholic church which does not call itself hard core anything. Im free of all insane religions. Im a contented peaceful at last Atheist.
@@Csio12 Alone in the vacuum of human sin unable to make any objective moral claims.
I continue to be impressed with how people in antiquity were able to collect, curate, organize, and present information in these massive literary works. Even today, with the Internet, telephones, local libraries, university libraries, and easy and quick travel, this can be a challenge.
I wonder what they did if they needed access to manuscripts in a distant location. Travel there in person and live there for a while as they did research? Exchange mail to try to find someone local to copy a manuscript for them? Hope that all the information is in a language they can understand? I'm sure the actual process of ancient research is boring to a lot of people, but it really fascinates me.
#orthodorks
This is a great point and I feel the same way - it's awe-inspiring. I suspect they did all those things, especially when you have access to a city like Rome. The lengths that people went to to get information back then really makes us all look like lazy chumps!
@@TheEsotericaChannel You do an amazing job with your research though. And especially with how you present it.
I can still remember back in religion class in high school (private Catholic), in the semester on church history, having to learn about a whole bunch of early heresies, and which church councils addressed them. As a teenager, that was not the most captivating topic at the time.
Imagine working on one task or work, all day every day for years on end. There were far fewer "distractions" back in the day. They were far more connected to the Earth, and their own mind. Now we have built a much greater collective consciousness, and the value of literature has been greatly devalued because many people aren't very connected with their own minds. What a person could accomplish in a month or a year back in the days, is something that a person today might take 100%-500% longer, just because, as a person also may feel much more comfortable and confident that they have "many years" to complete any said task. There are a lot of reasons that figures in history were capable of tasks far greater than today.
@@Ellsworth_Musiq One really important factor is simply the circumstances scholars of the past and present had in terms of their livings, certainly. Modern scholars--I feel--are almost expected to do the work of past scholars, but without the same communities of (material) support, and denying that significant work takes time (scholars are expected to condense their work more and more into easily-digestable, easily-marketable formats, while still meeting the rigorous requirements of scholarship). And scholars are expected to take on more and more, or simply have to take on more and more, outside of the research to try and get by in their career whether it's for CV building or simply trying to earn a living. To do scholarly work you need access to the resources and a means to survive wile accessing and building off of those resources, and the capitalist world just doesn't offer those conditions sufficiently anymore. (Comment inspired by my trying to get my dissertation done this year 😮💨).
There's a reason scholars of the past were mostly monastics or wealthy/aristocratic figures.
Case in point: UCLA posted a non-compensated "job" opening for an adjunct professor. It's been suggested this is a more or less "fake" job listing so the university can say "yes, the (already selected, already hired) prof was chosen fairly in an open competition." But this is also an era of "CV building opportunities" and "no-pay internships" so, who knows anymore.
It’s truly fascinating.
Your videos are one of my favourite parts of youtube... I just want to highlight how good your delivery is, not only with all the amazing curation and explanation, but also including the awesome quips and humor. Damn, if my teachers were good like that at uni I'd have paid more attention to the classes.
"Never thought i would find Christ with a Jew"
"What about with a friend?"
"Aye. That i could do"
Love ur vids man lol. LOTR, black metal references, all while being an actual doctor and staying on topic. This is the stuff i miss fron college. U rule dude.
That’s the tragedy of believers deprived of the Original Testament , in its Original language.
One of the best channels on YT without a doubt!
When I think of Simon Magus I can't help but recall Jack Palance's hilarious portrayal of him as a magical conman in the movie The Silver Chalice, starring Paul Newman. I think it came out sometime in the 1950s and had these interesting Art Deco sets. Newman reportedly hated the movie so it's not well known, but it is worth watching for Jack Palance's acting alone. Also Helen is in it, portrayed by Virginia Mayo!
Sorry, but Simon Magus committed a grave offense that we know today as "Simony", which is a form of bribery.
That made my day, I love anything Dr Sledge does on Gnostism.
Christian mysticism and Orthodox/Church doctrine research, the hard mode of Occultism. Thank you for guidance and insight, you do good work Dr. Sledge.
NES hard, even
Well. It's your own business.
Love you and your work! Need to say that i am #Gnosticgnerd and #TeamSilmarillion. Keep the great work!
Thank you for posting this Doc! I've really been waiting for this one.
You're good people Dr. Sledge. Thank you for the work you do!
Thank you so much for this episode very informative and even more entertaining. So much information packed into 40 minutes, amazing!
Simon Magus, can't wait 💛
I'm still in the very early stages of educating myself about Gnostic theology, and you've made the topic as accessible as possible. So I want to thank you for that. Also thank you for Justin "Thug Life" Martyr living rent-free in my head :D
Well, this may officially be the last place I ever expected to find Absolutely Fabulous mentioned. But you did it, and you gave us one more incredible video in the process! Excellent work! And, thanks for all that tedious reading you do for our benefit!
Honestly I think this is the best video you ever produced. Thank you for this.
Your channel is filled with so much knowledge and humor, that i can keep coming back to them and learn something new. I need more free time to binge watch!
I have been watching your back catalog and this channel has been great thanks for all you do!
Thank you. This is one of your more fascinating videos in an area that I am very interested in learning more about.
Best theological shade. :D I just love your sense of humor, Doctor.
You are a fantastic gentleman and scholar and I appreciate the videos you make. I love playing them while working out or cooking.
You do not give such a detailed account about something you hate, unless you want others to grasp it. He even offered an explanation of the tears of Sophia by his own understanding and added to it. Sometimes the adversary is your best friend.
Thank you for your brilliant and authentic discussion of the early centuries, so pivotal in our many religious foundations. I crave the clarity and illumination this study provides. Blessings to you.
🤙Aloha Dr. Sledge mahalo
Your screen tags are especially good, keep having to pause to fully appreciate them
Another wonderful video!
Looking forward to the Simon Magus episode. He's literally on my list of "Topics I hope will be covered on Esoterica."
He gets a really brief mention in the New Testament, which leaves his fate a mystery. And then the extra-biblical literature goes right into fan fiction territory.
And if you do a UA-cam search for historical information on the topic, you're not much better off.
@Pete Testube it’s often known as Apocrypha
Yes bring it on.
There’s a section on Simon the Magus in The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P Hall if you’re interested.
@Pete Testube Acts of Peter
Simon Magus was a fraud.
Thanks!
You - being you and doing you - are a treasure on this Earth! I love your Work 🏆🥇💎
I appreciate your incredible videos so much! ❤
Once again, Doctor, fascinating, educational ...and hilarious. Have you made the Simon Magus episode? Like the mysterious and powerful Lilith, he's another extremely fascinating cameo actor from the Bible who deserves to be more thoroughly explored and exposed - far too little is known of these two! Thank you as always for your excellent work, I look forward to seeing your episodes on both these characters.
Edit: oops, sorry, just realised this is yr latest episode...
Wonderful as always. Hoping you’ll eventually cover my personal hero (of the highest order!) Teresa of Avila.
Yep, at some point!
What an honest, brave, and entirely unbiased fellow
Who me? Irenaeus? I can guarantee you both of us are biased :)
So wryly Brilliant. Thank You Dr. Sledge!
Thank you for all the scholarly work you share with us.
Synced upload with Religion for Breakfast again! I love you both!!!
You’re actually a very funny and cultured person, your videos are a treat sir
Another great episode.
Quite informative. Thank you sir.
here we o!! heck yeah now i got a reason to not get out of bed for another 45 min
46 minutes🥰 I’m already loving it
Excellent work, as is your custom. Thank you, kind sir.
“When you’re a demiurge, who can hurry.” T. McKenna
Best channel on yt
You had me both wanting to and fearing reading this text... until you gave a Silmarillion comparison. Sold
Great episode, as always. Loved the dnd references and your attitude towards Christianity(s) was funny.
Irenaeus, as a source is a fantastic look at detailed, explicitly painful and overwhelmingly detailed exposition of the variations of theology of the time. This work appears to be a much more accurate depiction of gnosticism, and a good source for journeying gnosticism today.
Personally, I've found the texts of "defamation", intentionally written to condemn various ologicals, to be truer words, more accurate (painfully at times) and better representative than theological teachings of the subjects today from modern review and works.
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Speaking on behalf of Gnostic Gnerds everywhere; Thank you, Dr. Sledge! Your are our hero! --N
Nerds, they are not.
you're officilly on my list of drop what you're doing theres a new video, youtubers. you make even the boring stuff interesting to learn about!
As someone who was raised in the Roman Catholic tradition and who has since become fascinated with the Valentinian stream of Gnosticism, I’ve become convinced that much of what distinguishes Catholic sacramentalism and in particular The Mass, was actually adopted into the developing orthodoxy from these same Valentinians who were eventually rejected and suppressed.
Well. I don't like Gnosticism, but what happened to many Gnostics is appalling. Remember the Albigensian Crusade? That one saw many, MANY Gnostics (in this case, Cathars) get gruesomely slaughtered until they were extinguished.
I watch your videos with a gallon a gatorade...because your humor is so beautifully dry. Thank you for your well-blended intelligence.
Welcome to the desert of humor ;)
21:11 that whole section has me rolling. "if you just sit down, you can end suffering if you sit quietly enough"
Very much looking forward to the Simon Magus episode. In the meantime, “Rock me, Irenaeus! Irenaeus! Rock me, Irenaeus!” 😎
bravo, had some good laughs making dinner. you make this all so fun. thank you
I'll remember not to drink tea while listening to you Justin. Twice, it spluttered out of my nose while listening. Admittedly it was laughing but I do hold your humour responsible. Great shortform intro my friend 😂👏
As I sit here at 1:45am wearing my cherished if ill-fitting Esoterica tee shirt I realize how grateful I am to you for explaining so clearly what was going on culturally and spiritually in the first centuries AD in the history of Western Civilization.
Enjoy listening to you explain these academically! Glad I found this channel.
Thoughts on the more contemporary notion of the Logos actually being an altered state where the word of god(s) themselves, took on idea-graphic qualities while writing the words of god(s, as many religions have a foundational understanding of the power of sound/word/symbol/syllable).
Which is to say, the characters of the typeface would reveal shapes (we call this Gestalt) while writing, thus giving us some of the symbols we have? Did the "word" as it was being transmitted, and the letters/sigils of the words, become logos? What we today call, Graphic Design. And subsequently, when a logos would appear, perhaps the anthropological art would then emerge as a way to give narratives to the logos that would appear, while writing-
A kind of automatic writing/corpse writing, that for people whom were not artists perse, but through a creative intellect, would see the IHS, or OWL, or LOGOS as a graphic shape-?
For example; The Word "logos" in upper and lowercase letters, looks very close to a dragon facing east (right). The tale is the L, the face/tongue, being the S. And of course, the Sacred G being the point of transference for the logos.
Dull Disclosure, I've been building brands and designing marketing identities for companies for over 30 years. We create logos this way, very often, within the industry basically responsible for mass-logos-bathos-pathos.
Very nice!!!
I love your stufff. Grinning
I'd love it if you'd cover the Emperor Julian sometime
I used to be mormon, the "Mormons are still adding books" killed me
Great video. I was laughing at loud at those captions you put underneath the images. No joke, I would pay money if you published a book of religious art with funny captions beneath them :)
Nah I’m definitely firmly nestled in team “proto-orthodoxy.” St. Irenaeus is a hero of mine and my local parish has a historical connection to him. I just enjoy hearing what the other sides have to say.
Glad I don't have a dog in that fight
Fantastic!!!
I'm on my 3rd read through the Silmarillion. What a treasure trove.
Definitely one of your more entertaining videos. Got a kick out of the jokes. Keep up the good work.
Fascinating stuff indeed. Also, I've got to admit, didn't expect seeing... predicate logic memes. Nice touch, Dr. Sledge.
Oh that's just old fashioned Aristotlean logic in modern notation, not even in modern logic.
@@TheEsotericaChannel Cool! Wouldn't know much to say about that, given that I barely passed (but passed nonetheless!) my exam on logic, I just recall seeing something similar in our materials.
Brilliant work, sir. A truly informative deep dive, I learned much. Also I gotta say I laughed out loud many times, know there's at least one #gnosticgnerd out here who appreciates your very specific genre of wit.
YO THIS ABSOLUTELY SLAPS - ARE YOU GETTING YOUR TOPICS FROM INSIDE MY MIND?!
Think you and Church of the Eternal Logos would make for an interesting conversation!
I really like your videos on gnosticism
I Love your Humor tackling these complicated devicive (?) subjects
I amazing of your knowledge it fornonable.
It’s kinda comforting to see that the early Christian movements had the same questions and reasons for splitting as I had. I trust that Paul guy as far as I could’ve thrown him…when he was alive.
Love the reference to the silmarillion, it has made studying history/religion/myth/language much easier! Thanks Tolkien
Well. But Tolkien was a Catholic. And the Legendarium he brought to us is very much the opposite of Gnostic thought.
@@ludonymous526 most things are just relative extremes. But what tends to be consistent is literary forms and mostly what I found from tollkien was a sophisticated romantic literary mode which tends to never leave humanity, and was even used by gnostics
@@iniglowee Well. Some things, at least. But I was here to mostly point out that Tolkien was a Catholic. But either way, there's a reason why his work is so great.
I do prefer the Silmarillion, thank you sir~
I definitely wanna know more about polycarp
You're always on point, but you've matured like a fine sarcastic absinthe...😆👏 Great episode 🙏 ...and in all the Apocryphal Christian tomes Christ is crucified at 49, for whatever that's worth, it seems to be consistent across many sources 🤓
@@TheLincolnrailsplitt , Paul, Saul of Tarsus, Simon Magus, and Flavius Josephus are all the same personage... There's a lot to discover for the discerning seeker😉
I deeply enjoy gnostic texts, and the best description I've heard of Iraneus is, to paraphrase, "he's helpful to read because he wrote so much AGAINST gnosticism, and in such great detail, that we can glean the truth from between the lines."
Frankly I think it's more of a "lady doth protest too much" situation, where he was ultimately repressing how deeply interested he really was in the subject.
Anyway, I am upset by how much I actually want to read his texts now that you've provided such a humorous overview! Burst out laughing more than a few times. Nat 20 on fire resistance, nat 1 on getting stabbed! I'm still cackling. Amazing work as always.
Excellent content
The fastest draw on youtube!
@@TheEsotericaChannel apart from last week. I had COVID.....
@@TheEsotericaChannel apart from last week. I had COVID.....
@@TheEsotericaChannel apart from last week. I had COVID.....
@@evans808274mc9la Oh, brother! Hope you'll feeling better or 'on the mend' as they in your neck of the woods.
Team gnostic thanks you for this video!
Wow..apologists beware your commitment to your task surely involves this. Thank you Dr. Sledge, for your endurance and for providing a road map for investigation.
Dear Dr. Sledge-Thank you so very much for your wonderful work. St Irenaeus was the first Father of the Church I read in detail, and remains one of my favourites. If I may ask, are you planning upon working upon the Neo-platonic mystics of the Later Roman Empire ? Figures such as Maximus of Ephesus, Iamblichus Chalcidensis and of course Flavius Claudius Julianus are very interesting in their reinvention of classical Paganism.
Yep, sure am!
@@TheEsotericaChannel Oh how marvelous ! I look forward to learning more of those who followed the "underground puerilities and sorceries of Trophonius, or the babblings of the Dodonaean Oak, or the trickeries of the Delphian tripod, or the prophetic draught of Castalia"(Gregory Nazianzen - Oration 39) within the later Dominate. It is interesting that, despite the modern claim that the 4th-5th century Church was overly favourable toward Pagan philosophy, the Church Fathers of the later Empire condemned "even Plato, the sage admired among the Greeks, with all his vaunted understanding about God", since he went "down with Socrates to Peiræus to worship Artemis, a figment of man's art"(from 'Against the Heathan' by St Athanasius).
Thank you
I appreciate using The Young Pope photo there, I highly recommend the show and the sequel The New Pope.
Yes! I preferred the first one but also enjoyed the second.
Coming from a team #orthodorks perspective, the terms "Catholic" and "Heretic" came to be contrasted as characterizing the dialectic you point out here. The "Kato holos" approach isn't "universal", the way we mean it, but "according to the whole" or "holistic." The "chooser" is one who collapses a complex issue to cut a Gordian knot, like Marcion did by throwing out the Hebrew scriptures as the work of a demiurge to "solve" his perceived problems with the text rather than looking at it further.
Now, that's one thing. But Gnostics were warping theology, which is why they were deemed heretics.
ty very much ~
@Esoterica Excellent video, as always. On the Wisdom being ignorant thing, I think maybe you hit the nail on the head without realizing. Sophia is Wisdom, not Knowledge, not Gnosis, she is Understanding not tempered by Gnosis, leading to the deformed creation of Yaldabaoth. It seems to me this is the entire point in a nutshell, the religion is not about faith or even wisdom necessarily but Gnosis, knowledge is the secret spice that enables salvation, without it even Wisdom is corrosive and deformed. I'm not a master scholar of the many schools of Gnosticism so take my interpretation with a grain of salt but from what I do know it seems internally consistent.
How about a video on the "Bardda" and the Druids
Pretty intersting video. I will say in though in response to Irenaeus's claim that how could Sophia could of fallen and create the demiurge if she was "wisdom".
The reason Sophia fell and created the demiurge was that she rejected the Logos (divine reason and her eventual divine partner). The Logos is intellectual reasoning and rationality, whereas Sophia is emotional reasoning and moral judgement. So essentially she rejected rationality and reason and only used her gut instincts (just used her emotional faculties) to make her decisions. There is a moral in this story, being "feely" is worthless if you don`t balance it out with being “thinky”. Wisdom without reason is useless, and pretty dangerous.
Theres a good talk by Seneca in his series of Letters that covers this topic. That it is good to have wisdom, but to be wise is not necessarily a virtue, because you don't become wise by reading books of wisdom, you become wise by making mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes aren't worth the price of wisdom, especially in extremely feudal societies.
@@alem8100 Irrraneus is talking about the gnostic eschatology, not Jewish scripture.
@@alem8100 Gnostics believed that all the aeons were emanations of the Highest God, essentially derived from and an appendage of His divinity. The aeons would and could not exist without Him. They are much more equivalent to the idea of angels as extensions of God rather than gods in their own right.
@@comradegarrett1202Maybe. BUT they're a flawed religion.
True story,
I couldn't find a copy of any of the previous books when I got into Tolkein, so I read Silmarillion first.
Hello & thank you for your works. I am trying to gather more information & unfortunately I cannot make out, or discover via homonym searches, what exactly you're saying. Ebionites vs ?Marthian? (as I think I hear it being said). The captions give mixed interpretations which led to varied searches. Scanning comments & related articles have given me a short list of similar things to research: Martinism, "Cerinthus and Merinthus," Maronites, & others, but each lead has conflicting details from what you're citing. My last effort before posting here, got me to "Marcionism" which is in the right time frame with matching details, but I'm hoping for a definitive answer that I / we are cross referencing the same concept.
Thanks again for your content & videos. 8)
You'll need to look up irenaeus if you want more specific details - all these groups are dealt with there....for better and for worse
Have u made a video on basidilean gnosticism?if so plz make one lol
I bought a Gnostic Prayer book that includes rites and rituals, can anyone recommend any work pertaining to practical gnostic work?
Ok i went to valentinian video and came back, im ready