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I *loved* this video. As a few commenters below have already said, the world can be too beautiful a place to be "inherently" evil. I always did struggle with that. I preferred many things about Valentinus' approach to Christianity, and I think that if he were alive now he would see that there is much spiritual soil that is starving for nutrients. For the record, there are Valentinian Gnostic lineages which are still around today. I was initiated (Baptized + Chrismated) within Ecclesia Gnostica, under Bishop Stephan Hoeller. Ecclesia Gnostica has attained Apostolic Succession from many denominations. Still kickin'!

The final salvation plan ❤ 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Malachi 3:2-4 But who can endure the day of his coming?Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a REFINER'S FIRE or launderer's soap. Mark 9:49 For EVERYONE will be salted with fire. Proverbs 17:3 The crucible is for silver and the furnace for gold, but the Lord tests the heart. 1Corinthians 3:15 If ANY man's work be burned up, he shall suffer loss yet be saved as through fire. Luke 3:6 And ALL flesh shall see the salvation of God. Isaiah 45:23 for EVERY knee will bow and EVERY tongue will pledge ALLEGIANCE to me. Psalm 145:14 The Lord upholds ALL who fall and raises up ALL those bowed down. Psalm 145:8-10 ALL the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the Lord, and ALL the families of the nations shall worship before you. ALL those who go down to the dust (death) shall bow before you. Mathew 25:46 and these shall go away into age-abiding correction and the righteous into age-abiding life. Rotherham’s Emphasized Bible.

BLESS THE LORD AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL. I FROM INDIA AND I ALSO BAPTISH CHURCH FROM GARO BAPTISH CONVENTION ❤

thats why im atheist anyways thanks for sharing the views

Inpired by your indepth understanding of universalism and your articulation of the topic.I would like to know more and more.

Unfortunantly universalism is heresy

*"Can everyone be saved?"* Not to put too sharp a point on it but, no, they can't. ✴ _...the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to_ [eternal] _life, and those who find it are few._ (Matthew 7: 14, ESV)

The Bible says that there are two gates, a narrow one and a wide one. And only the narrow one leads to immortality. Universalism claims that _both_ gates lead to immortality. Can you see the contradiction there? ✴ _13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to_ [eternal] _life, and those who find it are few._ (Matthew 7: 13-14, ESV)

Very interesting, thank you so much!!

Thank you Pat for your work in Christ. I am a Bible Student and I can tell you that there is now way Pastor Russell would have ever approved of the JW organization. Pastor Russell hated the idea of organization’s. He fought against this idea until his dying breath. It’s (likely) one of the reasons he dispelled Rutherford from the Bible Students before he passed. Pastor Russell stood firmly on the fact that each individual Christian only answers to Christ 1 Corinthians 11:3 not an organization or Pastor. And that the Ransom is for all mankind. 1 Timothy 2:6 A heavenly calling now for the Church class. And a 1000 year earthly kingdom for all who have ever lived. That was not part of the Church. A chance to be reconciled back to God. The JW’s have went away from both these teachings. Pastor Russell would have never been apart of anything but these wonderful truths. The following paragraphs are from a Bible Student friend of mine that wrote about this a while back. I will post a link to Pastor Russell’s actual teachings at the end of the post for anyone who is interested. God Bless CHARLES T. RUSSELL was absolutely NOT the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses. We don't worship this man but we DO highly respect him for showing us the beauty of God's true character, showing us where the scriptural doctrinal foundations are in the Bible and opening up, more than we could ever imagine, the incredible character of our precious Lord Jesus and his relationship of unselfish love and admiration for his father. Our Father. Those that haven't carefully read his Studies in the Scriptures completely, will never know exactly what I mean. Some have never read even the Divine Plan of the Ages, but may ignorantly criticize him, listen to evil false reports about him or unfounded misrepresentations about him, even jump to the inaccurate conclusion that Bible Students worship this man as an idol of sorts; but should we expect anything less from the Adversaries strategy of deceit. Didn't they call Jesus "Beelzebub"? Didn't Jesus say "Don't be surprised if they call any of you the same?" "Cult leader," etc. It's all part of carrying the cross and suffering with our dear Master. So let people read what they choose. I personally have been GREATLY spiritually energized, enlightened and grown in Christlikeness through the help of this very humble man. I've personally talked with people that have walked, talked and worked with him. His writings pointed to over 5,000 scriptures in topical Bible Study that has helped thousands become better Christians. Praise God! He ALWAYS pointed to Jesus and told people to follow Jesus and not himself. Ephesians. 4:11-15. Praise Jesus too! Let the scoffers scoff in ignorance. Bottom line. It really only matters what God thinks.The truth will prevail in the end. No more than Martin Luther founded all the churches that came from HIS reformatory work! Pastor Russell died over 15 years before "Judge" Rutherford moved in and changed A LOT of CTR's doctrinal writings, THEN changed its name to Jehovah's Witnesses; named in 1931. CTR died in 1916. You'll notice the publications went from Zions Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence to The Watch Tower. Theres a difference. During that interval about three-fourths of the original Christians who were following this reformatory work, LEFT the Judges new group take-over because many BIG doctrines were changed like The Ransom, Israel, Christ's Return and Justification. These are facts, both of my grandparents use to talk personally with Pastor Russell. People needed to ride on his reputation having sermons in 1500+ newspapers weekly, with 15,000,000 readers and the pastor of some 1200 congregations! Probably 50+ some Christian groups came out of his original writing and the JW's were only one of those offshoot groups. In the book, Where Else but Pittsburg, by George Swetnam, 1958, says that Pastor Russell was even more widely known than Andrew Carnegie! CTR although a very humble man, giving up his personal fortune of money, and writing over 50,000 pages of religious investigation, is one of the most misrepresented and falsely accused saints of the past 300 years. He wrote the series, Studies in the Scriptures, no longer studied in JW meetings! www.mostholyfaith.com/ Find all of Pastor Russell’s writings here.

John 3:36 says, "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” Do you believe Universalism or John 3:36? You can't believe both.

Church of Bosnia is mentioned alredy in 4th centruy, from archives, Slavs (Croatian and Serbian tribed) came to Balkan peninsula first in 7th century, they were part of the Polish/Bohemian Slavs peoples... Bosnian Church accepted/Saved Bogomils from Bulgaria who were attacked and cleansed there when Orthodoxy started spreading.. Bosnian Church sticked to teachings of "Arius" who believed that Jesus is a Son of God, as Jesus himself said and talked, from Aramaic (first) Bible ever, Language of Jesus, the Roman priests exiled him to the Illyricum province, to Bosnia. And Bosnian Church also accepted Wulfila, first Gothic Priest, who travel to Bosnia at same time and translated the first Bible to Gothic Language, which also is same belief and teachings of Priest Arius. Old Bosnian peoples are Gothic/Illyrian. When the slavs came, we started mixing a bit. Thats why most of Bosnians turned to Islam, because they didnt accept Orthodoxy teachings or Roman Catholic, and Islam also believes that Jesus is Son of God, Jesus (ISA) is messiah in Koran, AL-MASIH. Not all Bosnians became muslims tho, many other religions too, and they are Bosnians, not serbs or croats. Thats the true history, also all noted by professionals in the area long time ago alredy.. Greetings

Dualism is satans last attempt to trick the elect. Dont fall for the gnostic lies. They worship satan.

"For we wanted to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified, the power of God and the wisdom of God." (1 Cor 2:2 / 1 Cor 1:22) Bogomils are heretics. Cross of Christ!

this is really interesting to hear about. robert browne is one of my ancestors on my mother's side, who was raised episcopalian

Revelation 20 says, "Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [c]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [d]death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 14:9 says, "Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends FOREVER AND EVER; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

Universal salvation requires that you smash Person into Nature. Platonism does not make a distinction between Nature and Person both in God and in human anthropology. The Chrisitan Church refuted Platonism during the first Millenium and Universalism was refuted as well for this reason. The doctrine of recapitulation does not mean universal salvation. Recapitulation refers to the fact that all men will be raised from the dead because Christ defeated death by assuming universal human nature. Human Nature is universal. Each person is individual and particular. Christ was consubstantial with us in our humanity. But Christ did not assume or identify with every individual person in His incarnation. All men will be resurrected on the basis of Christ defeating death in the human nature Christ assumed. But each person will be judged eternally on the basis of their individual mode of willing in this life. This is why Origen was condemned. Origen taught the heresy of absolute divine simplicity which is the error of smashing nature into person. The distinction between nature and person is important because it preserves the principle of individuation. Each person makes individual and consequential choices for good and evil. All men will be raised from the dead, but all men will experience the afterlife differently based on the judgements they receive for their choices in this life. The only way you can believe in Universalism is to smash Nature into Person which is to fall into Platonism. Many heresies in church history revolve around the confusion of nature and person.

It took me awhile to find what I was looking for which was this video, someone who explained what they were like in practical terms

This is great Pat! A very informative and well rounded presentation. I really apreciate your unbiased view of this topic, as a christian scientist myself I see so much misrepresentation of the movement, so this really nice to see!

Small correction at 10:43 . Animals are killed for dairy, eggs and other byproducts which is a sorrowful fact many people aren’t cognizant of. Hence the reason why those against (animal) violence tend to be vegans! Cows are mammals they require to either be pregnant or nursing to produce milk, Male calves are killed for that reason because they’re non profitable and seen as superfluous. Male chickens are macerated alive for the same reason as the aforementioned male calves. I apologize if i’m coming off as invasive but i’m very passionate about the matter ☮️

People love good news as long as it’s not to good.

The Faithful and Discreet Slave is to Embody Faithful Service even when not Witnessed... knowing you are Always Witnessed..😊😊😊

Although not in Earlier Editions of the Bible it was Placed into the King James Bible, taken from an Aldermans Decree that no Witch would be Tolerated to Live in that Shires Boundary... It was Then Placed also into the King James Edition

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Evil must end or God is not God.

Thank you for sharing this

How do they determine who the select are?

Correction : readers are not leaders. The only leader is Mary Baker Eddy.

Would you present more info on Utopian Communal Christian movements from early 19th Century?

Would you do a presentation on Latter Day Saints movement?

Would you do a presentation on Latter Day Saints movement?

I’m a member of a American Baptist church in Western Colorado, and this seems to be a well researched video. What’s your personal experience with American Baptist churches? I'm also wondering, are you a follower of Christ? Thanks

Not Christian or science

Could you talk more about 19th century utopian, communal Christian movements?

You have an awesome channel. I love how you present different ideas…Funny that negative comments would be placed underneath a video where someone is merely presenting an idea- not exactly the same thing as endorsing it. Either way, masterfully done. Keep up the good work.

Origen has this great metaphor of God as an all consuming fire. We face the all consuming fire at death. Some will be purified by it and some will be punished by it. Same fire. If I think about a soteriology that informs the other aspects of my theology this works for me. In fact, im willing to put the other stuff aside as mystery. Reincarnation? Who cares? Not for me to know. I mean really how much of this can we know and where does the speculation have no relevance to any other aspect of our theologies? If I know I have to face the all consuming fire theres no faking it and im wasting my time judging other people. To me this soteriology blows spiritual materialism and self righteousness out of the water.

So you don't believe in Genisis or revelations.

Indeed Bogomils never rejected the cross it is a bit different though!

I would love to hear you discuss the connection between Cambellites and Sydney Rigdon/Joseph Smith, Jr, the Mormon Church

You say there’s no higher art key I believe and Jesus Christ is it in the king James, the only art anarchy do you need is Jesus Christ, that what you said anarchy, but I don’t understand what you mean anarchy you don’t believe I don’t understand you take care God bless

They aren't Christians... they are gnostics who followed Sophia not Christ... I wish people would quit calling people Christian who are not

Los primeros y autenticos cristianos siempre fueron perseguidos y eliminados por Roma.

I just joined a brethern assembly. I like their simplicity and desire to worship as god wants.

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Good Morning ! . . My name is Anthony and l have been a follower and believer in Jesse Christ since Oct. 10, 1980. When l received the Holy Spirit of GOD and was baptized in HIS Name of JESUS Christ like the Apostoles obeyed and baptized the beginning converts ! . . . My question to you Pat , is it hard and strenious to film and produce UA-cam videos ? . . I enjoy your Labor of Love that you do to sacrifice and give your time to make the great vidios that you reveal my dear sister in the LORD JESUS and in HIS Son Jesus Christ , the Messiah ! . . I would like to make some videos on UA-cam if it is Not to strenuous since l am now on dialysis 3 days a week for 4 hours each time ! 😊 Thank you for your Service of making the videos . . especially the ones on Christian Universalism ! 😊❤

Thank you for revealing this video it let's us know that GOD does Not have anger and torture like the denominations now a days believe ! . . . False religious people like the Farisees kill our Messiah Jesus Christ ! . . Thank you for revealing these false doctrines like the JW's !

Thank you for your video & information !

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Hello Pat, thank you for sharing your views. They certainly resonate with me from an earlier point in my life. I was born into brethren, in the 1960’s, and had a very positive childhood until the late 1960’s and as you will recall from the history the brethren were led into gross error, culminating in the events of July 1970, which took place in my home in Aberdeen Scotland. So I witnessed firsthand those events which were clearly horrifying. Eventually in 1972 we were kicked out, and rejoined in 1973 with a group of brethren who had a similar judgement of the brethren system under James Taylor Jr. We basically then returned to a problem free existence free of the restrictions and rules that had become part of today’s PBCC. Thankfully. It’s good to see your perspective, and for bringing that to better awareness and understanding. I now can see how damaging this cult has become. PBCC is based on lies and although they have become quite financially well off, the control they have exercised on their membership is extraordinary. If you are in this cult please reach out. I can at least tell you the truth that was distorted and you believed the distortion of 1970, and hopefully help you to a good path forward. Thanks again Pat, great advice and clarity which is very much needed. We were brethren once, and at the bottom of the mess they made of things, the Lord Jesus is still there.