Game of Thrones Writers D&D ignored cast concerns over writing
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- proof that these writers are douches and completely ignored any input from the cast members themselves.
Even ignored complaints from people who read and loved the books and knew it was going wrong.
The actors cared more about the show than the writers.
I feel sorry for the actors and crew who had worked on the show who had put work into GOT for so long. Everybody cared just not d&d and HBO was even willing to do more seasons, d&d did not care and wanted to move on. Sad
Bruh, they aren't even traditionally trained screenwriters. David Benioff is literally a trust fund kid who got shoe horned into Hollywood because of daddies money. And D.B. Weiss was only there as his side kick and to market the "Writing Duo" rather than the traditional team of writers.
HBO and GRRM also offered them additional writers, directors, advisors, and even said they'd be willing to give them up to 12 seasons to wrap up Game of Thrones nicely on television.
They turned it all down because they wanted their sole names to be the writers of the show. And then when HBO and GRRM asked that they pass on the show to another show runner rather than end it outright they refused again because they still wanted the fame alone.
Fuck them both, they're selfish manchildren.
@@EL-ISS my god this is such a shame, i have no words
D&D made all seasons though, didn't they? So they clearly cared at some point because the early seasons were good.
@@edmis90 they cared for the first 3 to 4 seasons. From season 5 the quality dipped. Season 6 they started killing off characters rapidly like they were trying to get it over with. By season 8 they had clearly lost interest. They should have handed the show to someone else or hired other writers to help them but they didn't want to share the fame with anyone
He spoke up and D&D wanted to kill his character even more. Says all you need to know about the two pricks
And look what happened. Became one of the biggest let downs in tv history, so I hope they fully comprehend the level of dumbasssary
I heard that my thought was “this egotistical asshole” that comment alone showed that he didn’t even try to understand, he wanted it his way and how dare anyone else want it any other way
they did baristan the badass so wrong in the show and the worst part is if they would have actually listed to the man who was clearly a fan and fleshed out his arc season 5 wouldn't have sucked as much as it did. Just imagine Selmy training Danys new queens guard, fighting Hizdahrs pit fighter to the death and leading the unsullied into battle! Fucking unenlightened self aggrandizing nimrods. I am glad they lost their stupid starwars show, not that they could have fucked it up any more than Rian Johnson, jar jar Abrams and Darth hideous the unwise Kathleen Kennedy. on second thought they probably could have it would have been a match made in hell!
Ego unfathomable
@@clearshade3560 I genuinely doubt they give a shit. They were trying to move on to other projects like the fucking Star Wars sequels. Glad they never got the chance, because for whatever reason they dropped those projects (or more likely they were dropped *from* those projects post-GoT and they said they wanted to do other things to save face).
Baristan Selmy the greatest swordsman in Westeros couldn't fight and survive with 8-10 knife-wielding priests but Samwel Tarly survived the battle of Winterfell casually lying around with 1000s of white walkers.
Precisely as Bradley is their buddy an I don't think they read the book's but I'd say Ian aka Sir Barristan did
It’s fucking braindead. Idc if he was old this man had the greatest feat out if any Westerosi Knight in history arguably. Slayer of Maelys Blackfyre ffs 😂
They weren't soldiers either. They were just the sons of nobles and shit. They weren't even street toughs. They were rich little brats with knives.
@BrokeProphet eh, most noblemen usually have some combat training, but yeah, nowhere near baristans
@@michaeld7945saw yes even for sir Barristan age in Danny's chapters where she finds out who he is when he saves her from merro of Bravos Danny could hardly keep up with his moves so what they did in the show with sir Barristan getting killed by those nobody's was Totally ridiculous
The reason Varys and Littlefinger became peripheral in the later seasons is because they are the most cerebral characters on the show, something that D&D are vastly underqualified to do justice
same goes for Tyrion and pretty much every character we got to know with above average intelligence. D and D clearly showed being uncapable of writing smart characters. even the witty dialogue from earlier seasons was completly gone.
@@Kvh47 oh yeah i forgot about Tyrion. He was still very much included in the story but his presence became a joke and not the funny kind, more depressing if anything. His transformation from good to bad was the most stark (pun not intended). He was still only so prevalent because of his popularity with the viewing audience.
For me, the point in the series where Littlefinger was ruined was after the death of Lysa Arryn when Littlefinger was being grilled by the other lords of the Vale and he had apparently had no strategy to cover his tracks in place and was just like “Hurrr....durrr she killed herself” and the lords weren’t buying it. Only the intervention of Sansa, who unexpectedly backed up his story, saved him. Book!Littlefinger already had a scapegoat selected and successfully pinned Lysa’s death on the singer Marillion (If I remember correctly).
exactly, the characters can only be as intelligent as the writers. That's why every single character was less and less smart after they didn't have the books to adapt.
Littlefinger lost all his wit when he started playing the games they played it. It tries to become a lord while he despite them. He was meant to be a emperor not a wanna be king. This was the battle between Varys and him. Traditon (monarchy) vs rebellion.
At first I was defending Tyrion lack of intelligence because he was in a culture in didn't understand (in Essos) and he was around people who were so dumb he made him lacking tool (MIssandei and Grey worn didn't know what was a joke). But, no it was just lazy writting proves by how they plan the batttle in WInterfell) (even if I think the show always had some major issues about strategies battles this was the pinnacle of anti strategic)
Varys, season 1: "Knows what you had for breakfast."
Varys, season 7: Doesn't know that the entire Lannister army has left Castly Rock and is marching on Highgarden.
Yeah but at least he knows where all the fast travel points are apparently
@@jillreyerma7592 ha! : )
That's fucking great🤣
Tyrion S1: Never forget who you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like an armor and it can never be used against you.
Tyrion S8: Hehehe Varys no balls
Haha right. Varys was the man always new what's going on a was always 1 step ahead of everyone from season to 6. When I watch season I kept saying to my self this isn't varys. He would never make up a plain with out a back up and always new what's was going on . D&d should be ashamed . One of the best shows ever to be on TV and season 8 just a s*** show
“Dismissing him was as insulting as it was stupid”
-Tywin to Cersei regarding Barristan
-GRRM to D&D regarding Ian McElhinney
Foreshadowing!
That was season 4 after joffrey dies an after season 4 it all went to Hell especially season's 7 an 8 with Tyrion an varys co** joke's made me sick
@@zadenwachter9918 ?????
D&D have totally trashed their reputation.
Top of the mountain to the slums in one season.
It was an ill-deserved reputation earned off the backs of the episode directors, the actors, the crew and George RR Martin.
Just look at what that hack Benioff did before GoT. Wrote the worst X-Men movie, and the worst Will Smith movie since... well, Bright, but you get my point. His only good script, that of The Kite Runner, was simply an adaptation of the work of one of the best contemporary authors. Weiss is even worse, he wrote one mediocre novel and used Benioff's coattails to ride along.
Don't worry... They'll be fine.... Rich and fine and able to get another show no problem... I'm not saying im happy about it, but it probably true
@@derekazyan9942 i hope you are referring to season 5 and beyond and not just the last season as GoT has been shitty since s5
@@debrickashaw9387 Yea season 5 and some storylines (Asha/Yara) in season 4 was where it started it's decline. I kept hoping that it was just that they didn't have enough time to make something good because they put out a season every year. However, 2 years to write half a season should have been more than enough time to make season 8 at least passable. It wasn't because they wanted to fuck off and do Star Wars or their stupid Confederate show.
Ian McElhinney seems so polite and gracious about it all. He wrote a letter, for goodness sake. How much more polite, clear, and concise can you be? The juxtaposition of that to the response of ‘lol go die’ wasn’t very classy.
What an outrageous response by David. Shows how shitty of a person and writer he is. "That just made us want to kill that character even more." What a fucking twat.
D & D gave no class. They still defend season 8. They are consumed by ego. They can’t see that they ruined GOT.
Crap like this is happening everywhere. You go to someone in a position of power or authority who you think has done something to deserve being there, and too often you find an overgrown child with a malicious sense of humor who has no interest in doing their job by listening to your painstakingly pointed out concerns. They just want you gone so they can go back to twiddling their thumbs for a living. Disgusting. And it's bloody everywhere. Usually these people justify their jobs by sucking up to the boss, saying the correct things at the correct times, and never doing anything to rock the boat. And by rock the boat, I mean really just thinking for themselves. Academia stinks of it. And so apparently does Hollywood.
@@Vesnicie 100% right on the academia part, I'm at the #1 public university in the US and it is full of ineffectual yes men, the teachers, the TA's, the administration.....
@@denverbrown8904 And now, I'm more happy I went to a public University. I mean, don't get me wrong. Going to a private college or top ranked school like Yale, Harvard or MIT was never going to be an option, and to be honest, I never actually wanted to go there. But, hearing about all this kind of stuff does make me appreciate that I went to a smaller school. And it's not just from you, I've heard this a lot before now.
The fact that D&D also refused help from extra writers because they wanted to take more credit just infuriates me
Well they got the credit they wanted just not in the way they expected 🤣
I remember reading that they had finished writing season 8 three weeks after season 7 ended.
The irony being that they lost all credit for their work. Now no one thinks they were responsible for the success of GoT. If they had hired the extra writers, people may have been fooled into thinking they were geniuses still
With the prequel spinoff now you can hear that the dialogue is done again by proper writers. With GoT at the end of season 6 you noticed the dialogue nosediving to weird Marvel/DC comedy, which wasn't funny at all.
@@jumpinjohnnyruss that's horrible. I'm writing my own personal story, and it gets harder the closer you get to a finale, because you want as many plot points to go SOMEWHERE , even if they aren't ready to be concluded yet. You want to let the audience know "hey, I haven't forgotten about this. trust us, we got you"
then you go back and rewrite dialogue to make some of it feel more natural, some of it more direct, some of it less direct, maybe skim over a few episodes to make sure you didn't forget anything that needs to be addressed later.
also, you're supposed to keep a list of unfinished plot points, and unused chekhov's guns that you either purposefully or accidentally put into the story.
"I suppose the last couple of seasons weren't my favorite" - Varys and literally every person on the planet
I've not even seen the show and I agree with you.
@@shan4680 if you want to watch it, watch up to S7 at the most, but most certainly don’t watch S8. I would recommend stopping at the end of S6. It doesn’t leave as much of a cliffhanger that way, and the writing still isn’t too bad.
@Xavier Carroll That's what I did recently. Martin left the show during or after season 4. There were signs of decline there, but it all became laughably awful after that.
@@ElizabethsLizard it doesn't leave us on a cliffhanger ??
Spoiler alert
We literally found out about jon's true family/parentage at the end of s6 and he was crowned King in the north
@@monjikhechini9724 That's not what a cliffhanger is.
"you're an actor, just say the words".
ShE's My qUeEn
@@zedfra8014 Ah neva hav'
@john smith because it was super easy, barely an inconvenience.
But muh Kween!
@Illidan Stormrage Yeah the character arc evolved backwards after D&D took the reigns
"We don't have time for this"
They did the same thing to Stannis. Evidently Stephen Dillane was "difficult to work with" and openly expressed confusion with certain things his character was supposed to do, so they just killed him off early. Unlike Ian McElhinney, he hadn't read the books and didn't feel a lot of passion for his character, but that's even more testament to what a fantastic actor he is, because his portrayal of Stannis was compelling AF.
I don't get how actors choose to play a character without reading the books.
@Alysson da Silva Because it's a job and they get paid money. _Alot_ of money.
@@danksmeme698 That's exactly why i don't Get It. Reading some books is such an easy task for a job that pays so much, and It would put you more in tune with your character's personality and motivarions, as well as his rellations with other characters
@@alyssondasilva4484 You say that as if everyone has to have the same mind as yours. Their job is to act and study the script, and that's it.
Reading books is not for everyone. People have different tastes, especially when it comes to long and complex books such as ASOIAF.
(That coming from someone who read the books as well).
Plus, as much as it is enjoyable, reading takes time, just like any other hobby does, and it I bet many of them wouldn't have the proper time to really read it.
Also many of the actors from the cast has said they'd rather wait to know how it's gonna be on the show, instead of sort of "spoiling themselves too much" or having conflict behaviors between character book and show book.
Tywin Lannister for instance. Charles Dance was the best cast for him, he stole every scene he was in with his presence alone. Very strong character, for a very strong actor. Many people agree that Tywin show is better than Tywin in the books... Charles Dance didn't read the books at all, he choose not so it wouldn't influence on his performance, he wanted to work with what he had there, adaptation Tywin. And yet, he absolutely nailed it.
@@alyssondasilva4484 Why would he read the book, they arent even the same characters as in the show... Further, reading the books can actually hurt and bring a lot of confusion on the character since the show and book go in different directions and the books were ahead by a lot even spoiling some things for the actors. Actors grow into their roles and their acting may be influenced a lot by future events and how the characters need to act according to an other source that just brings a lot of headache. That you dont really need...
“Which just made us wanna kill that person that much more”. How childish could a writer be? Letting his own opinions and emotions get in the way of properly writing one of the biggest shows ever and accepting criticism in order to make the best piece of media he can.
Edit: I realise now that his comment was intended as a lighthearted joke, but it still came across as douchey. And in hindsight with how the show turned out… safe to say the joke falls flat on its ass.
@An unimpressed Rooster Sure looked like failed attempt to pass it off as joke.
@An unimpressed Rooster it would be a funny remark if they ended up not killing him, but since they did it seems so petty
I was going to quote that very bit and say something along the same lines. Unbelievable! How do these people call themselves professionals?
The most telling part to me was them saying “person” and not “character”
I defended the shit out of those idiots for like two years longer than i should've. FOR TWO YEARS longer than I knew was warranted, but I felt like I owed them for bringing GOT to my attention which matured my tastes (or at least satisfied my more sophisticated pallet that I'd developed in the preceding 15 yrs).
And for them to throw Ser Barry under the bus... Ser Grandfather? Old Artistan? Whitebeard himself?
And his death wasn't even ... he deserved a more glorious death. I wanted thirty or forty corpses around him, not a dozen! Sure he's an old man, but he was finally cutting some cake!
In the books, he takes down whole squads with naught but his scabbard and a wee dagger! He tore apart The Titan's Bastard like child's play with only his staff like he's fucking Gandalf the White. Just WHACK WHACK. This dude is said to be on par with Ser Arthur Dayne The Sword of the Muther Fucking Morning by GRRMM himself spoke thus.
Now i'm angry.
"I have played this character for 8 years and quite frankly I believe it makes no sense for him to be acting this way."
"did you mean to say we sUbVerteD yOur eXpEctAtiOns?"
More like confounded expectations.
LOOOOOOOOOL
Well played.
The fact that Littlefinger (Arguably the cleverest man in Westeros) got outwitted by two Stark lasses as easily as he did was a travesty.
Don't even get me started on the White Walkers and Night King lol
I remember it being revealed that a deleted scene showed Sansa going to Bran for help with the Littlefinger thing.
It was bran that finished littlefiger.
To be fair, littlefingers plotting and scheming kept him at the top in the capitol, but up north, their way is the old way. Or something.
Thats lore accurate tho
Wrong wrong wrong. Littlefinger was dumb AF.
The final season was so bad nobody talks about the show as a whole anymore, it looks like it never existed.
It is surreal, yeah. There was a thunderclap of hatred then total radio silence. One of the most popular shows of this century managed to kill its entire popularity in basically two episodes. Because even though people started raising serious complaints as early as Season 5, it was the last two episodes of Season 8 that finally killed it for the mainstream. Up to then all the mainstream outlets were gushing over the series.
@@Yodah97 nah bro not for the mainstream for all of us
there were some folks coming together some of em being from the liberal mainstream defending the show coz the last season was fitting some narratives of strong women and some hardcorefans who couldnt let go and wouldve defended that show to the death
but all in all most people agreed that this last season was pure bullshit and main tone was about the show being rushed
@@Yodah97 jesus im starting to remember some parts again
i mean that dothraki charge? bruh even casual mainstream plebs like me cringed at that stupidity ... or the crypt? ffs
I don’t blame them. The journey and foreshadowing is useless with no substance knowing this is where it actually ends up. I watched the entire series, and seasons 1-6 is the watch value id recommend. Everything after is absolute crap.
because it completely ruined the entire show as a whole, what’s the point of even discussing it or rewatching it when you know the story doesn’t lead anywhere?
The epitome of privilege is to be paid richly, work with talented people on beautiful sets, and still feel an elementary level of petty passive aggression when a coworker tries to hold you accountable.
That's very well put.
It’s a tragedy, isn’t it?
Fucking shame to be honest.
More than privilege it's arrogance born from overcompansation knowing you're not talented enough to be there.
Well said
My mate who’s been an extra on GoT a couple of times told me that they spent AGES filming Ian McElhinney’s death scene as the actor was proper pissed off during the shoot and would constantly argue with the director about his death scene…I don’t blame him tbh
The cast of Game of Thrones deserved better. They put their hearts and souls into their characters only to see them ruined by bad writing.
Lets see Paul Allen's opinion on the show
You could see cracks in the armor of the show as the seasons mounted and the book material were running out. Hell, it's 2021 and GRRM still hasn't put out a sequel to the book "A Dance With Dragons," which came out in 2011.
@@Warmaker01 They still had two books after season 4 and yet season 5 sucked, because their egos got so big that they thought the changes they made were better, when they were actually worse. Even the highlights of season 5 are nothing in comparison to the books. For example Jon's death. D&D after the red wedding just wanted to get the show over with. They got their awards and acclaim and writing Game of Thrones became just a chore to them
I agree, your comment is impressive, very nice.
@Wrong Profile ):
Its great that the actors are finally telling the truth about D&D
Ian McElhinney has been actively against D&D prior to him being killed. Now after the last season everyone has come out against D&D. Kitt had to go to rehab due to the shit the actors had to act out.
None of this is new footage. You're falling for poorly edited bullshit to placate the still ongoing virgin tantrum you all keep throwing.
@@davemccombs "virgin tantrum" is not a good defense for bad writing...
Dungeons and dragons ?
@@maul8384 Dumb and Dumber
Nikolaj says "every season since season 4" he would have problems with the writing. There ya go
Kit Harington looks like a hostage.
@EuropeDP Exactly, I think emilia clarke, kit and stark sister's actors defend these idiots because basically they made their career because of those dumb nuts. But hey who knows, they may have some resentment inside- especially kit and emilia-the way their characters have been treated.
@EuropeDP really? He said the last season was disappointing, I mean everything after S5 was disappointing in general.
@EuropeDP Personally I disliked season 5 a lot, but I agree with you.
@@kalyanvadlamani7607 I think Clarke didn't like the last season . She didn't even know her character destroyed the whole city till she watched the premier with all her fans, which made her look like a fool. She thought her character only destroyed the red keep to kill Cersei but the writers never told her. How can you keep something so important from the actor playing the character. Also in one of the videos I watched she couldn't explain why Daenerys went mad and used a chocolate analogy and a lot of weird things, which shows she didn't even know why she destroyed the red keep. In the same video she stated 'it came out of fucking nowhere' You can find all this I said if you search up Clarke HBO unreleased video. HBO tried to hide her real reaction.
@EuropeDP He didn't, they basically made him the poster boy bc Jon Snow was so loved by people, but he in many occasions said he hadn't even watched the last season, not to mention that he had to go to rehab right after the final season aired. He recently even did a zoom chat with a fan where he said he'll take whatever slander fans had for the GoT last season and he did, he basically told he'd be our virtual punchbag. He defended the show only until his contract made him, him and Emilia both actually. And idk if yall know but there was this thing that the writers ruined Jon Snow bc they had an issue with Kit. (They were jealous of his popularity so they continuously included the height and penis jokes in the later seasons)
Even though I was still a huge fan at the time, I knew that Ser Barristan's death seemed like a bad writing decision. Little did I know how much worse it was going to get.
@Joshua Beattie There were signs much earlier. Whenever they'd go off on their own and invent, or change things, you saw what they were and how out of their depth they were. Dany in Qarth in season 2 (a horribly done plotline) was almost all made up. And there was a change in season 3 that really showed how careless they were - they changed the identity of the person who took Jaime's hand. Not just identity but allegiance. They made it, of all people, Bolton's chief lieutenant. This would have completely changed the plot, which that season and beyond hinged on a Bolton-Lannister alliance. They did it anyway and just left a huge plot hole of the Lannisters - the family that always pays its debts, the most vindictive, revenge-mad group in the entire story - simply never caring at all about Jaime's hand being cut off. They never say a single word about it in the show after it happens. In the books the fate of the people responsible for cutting Jaime's hand off is horrific.
@@georgial6398 very good points. The dorne plot, jaime and bronn's buddy cop shit, basically jaime's story after his hand was cut off. Barristan Selmy, varys and Tyrion travelling to Dany not done properly. They cut off young griff, lady stone heart, the northern conspiracy, they cut off a lot of things. The moment they cut off young griff and lady stone heart, it signalled to me that they wanted to streamline the show (and so season 7 and 8 were no surprises) and wanted to make up their own shit to end GOT faster.
One of the best swordsman in westeros, second only to sir arthur dayne, died in an alley.
@@xfurygamingx3027 yeah and to a bunch of spoiled rich kids with knives who had never fought before. Not to mention the unsullied, some of the most well trained fighters in Essos, fighting alongside Selmy as well. That scene is what convinced me that the show was starting to go down hill.
@@GC-ps9mn Stannis the Mannis Baratheon. That one is the worst crime they did to the franchise. There aint no arguing this. Stannis is probably the most important plotline the book had of the one that were just eradicated. All of that because they were too impatient to wait for George's approval.
I laugh my ass off when it turns out that Stannis the Mannis Baratheon gets to claim the Iron Throne. Mr. Dillane put down such a good acting. By far my favorite Character in both the books and the series.
Aaron Paul managed to keep Jesse, his character, who was supposed to die in Season 1, alive for the rest of the show and he became one of the best characters in the whole show if not the best. Also, the cast was able to put a little bit of their own ideas into them (Walter White adopting the habits of the antagonists after they die seemed to be Bryan Cranstons idea) to make the characters seem deeper and more human. Not only that but the actors also got the chance to direct episodes (Bryan Cranston, Giancarlo Esposito, Rhea Seehorn).
Meanwhile D&D think they’re so good at writing that they don’t even listen to their cast, which is STACKED with actors who loved the books (Barristan Selmy), who have studied deep into their characters (Varys) and who would most definitely do a better job than them.
Vince Gilligan is an incredible professional who created an even more incredible story in breaking bad, just imagine if he had been the one to write GoT
Not to mention that Vince Gilligan took help from the other writers when there were episodes that felt complex to iron out and streamline the series that we know as breaking bad. Also, even then Gilligan gave credit to those writers for their help in many interviews
Don't even compare Vince Gilligan with those clowns.
GOT wouldnt be as glamorous if Vince directed it, but man it wouldve been brilliant
Their inexperience and ego truly shoes in comparison to other directors.
The only silver lining in all this is that D&D will NEVER get a high profile property to completely RUIN.
Netflix: Hold my beer.
3 words: Three Body Problem
@@jogiff I'm so distraught these fuckers are doing the Three Body Problem. Seriously fucking shit.
Netflix are paying them millions when Disney fired them after GOT. Their last idea was basically white supremacy fan fictions
@@filipstellberg8280 They've been with Netflix for like a year now and all they've been allowed to do is co-write a comedy act. They're done.
It's amazing how they managed to completely destroy their own reputations. With no help. In fact despite the help people tried to give them
FACTS. Karma is a bitch
They didn't want to share the credit and now they are taking the whole blame instead😂
Lol Disney cancelled their contract with them after season 8 disaster(and probably from terrible idea about their star wars project).
Netflix paid a contract with them for $200M but none of good Netflix shows mentioned their name.
@@cosmicheathen1955 much like Walder Frey
and netflix cast them anyway. i will never watch something from them again
Apparently, in the The Wire, the point of the show was to focus on realism and good storytelling, and the show-runners had a large group of people who helped them achieve that. Plus, They told everyone, actors included, to speak up if they felt something didn't feel right about the story, realism, character motivations etc etc, and it was a truly collaborative process to make the show as good as it could possibly be.
Goes to show that listening to your cast members can help out.
The writers were all novelists before writing The Wire. That's why it's so good.
I can’t believe Dumb implied that Ian was not gracious. He said, “Most are quite gracious about it, but for the first time this year we got some pushback... Which just made us want to kill him more.” Wtheck?! Dude wrote a polite, reasoned letter to him giving constructive feedback. And he smirks and dismisses Ian’s ideas (that were probably better than his). I just want to smack that self-satisfied smile off his smug face. UGH.
It also kind of makes me think that D&D didn't read the books..
What do expect from a guy who only got where he is because of nepotism. He has no real writing talent of his own.
The dumbest part is them just telling actors to shut up and read the words. Many of the greatest movies and scenes were group efforts, and actors often have a better feel for the characters.
My favorite example is Han Solo, as he is about to be frozen in Carbonite. Originally, Lucas had Leia say "I love you," and Han say "I love you too." Harrison Ford pushed and said that Han wouldn't say that. And so we got the iconic, memorable response of "I know."
@@Tmanowns My personal favourite is the tears in the rain monologue in Blade Runner. It was Rutger Hauer's idea.
Just be glad those bums are out of hollywood for life because of this shitshow.
I had never seen the clip of Benioff saying that the complaints of an actor made him want to kill that character more. Obviously this is cut in a way that implies he is talking about Barristan (not positive he is, but that seems like a fair guess), and man is that lame, especially considering that Barristan's death kind of created a bunch of problems for the Dany side of the story. It feels like they acknowledged how brilliantly they adapted the first few books and got it into their head that it was because their ideas were good and not because they had solid source material. Man, I am bummed that I am still getting mad about this 2 years later lol
barristan is such a fucking badass from the pt he dies in the show in the book. it was stupid they killed him. the queen's hand (barristan) is my favorite chapter of dance of dragons
Yes they actually were referring to Barristan in that quote. They said that quote just before the episode premiered.
Cannnnnn relaatteeeeeee
And how does the lady you live with feel about it?
Ya D&D are full of themselves. They're great at adapting material that already exists. Once they ran out of book material, it was all downhill from there.
The fans aren’t the only ones who should be disappointed. For some of these actors, this will be the biggest role of their careers and D&D squandered their legacy.
Oh yes, you could not be more correct, I expect you are not an old man like me, I am 71 years old and I well remember a very similar reaction to the TV series I Claudius (1976) with Derek Jacobi which was that good it emptied pubs, so people could watch both series. I have watched nothing over the years that was as good and kept my interest, involvement and sheer enjoyment as GOT (well the first six series). I am currently Aug 2024 re-watching an episode every night as there is NOTHING out there I want to watch.
My point - you may be too young to remember, but all the actors in 'I Claudius' were well known and many went to much greater things such as John Hurt and they always talk about being in the series and how 'proud' they were of doing them, and they know full well that for decades to come their 'legacy' will be people around the world watching and enjoying as my generation did all those years ago.
I know the cast of GOT all enjoyed working together primarily because they were all good actors, very professional and got on with each others, i.e. friends for life, but they know full well that the last two series they were so poor due to being let down by D&D that sadly in the future it will NOT stand up when compared to 'I Claudius'.
Varys' actor is 100% on the money about how Varys acted out of character in the closing seasons. Many characters did, Stannis and Daenerys being two examples. Once D&D ran out of Martin's storylines, the quality went absolutely down the shitter.
S2 and s3 too. Dany in qarth was too long for no reason. Bolton's chief cutting Jamie's hand even tho that didn't happen in books.
@@bait5257, why does it matter who cuts Jaime’s hand in S3? Also, while Dany’s Qarth storyline was very different from the book, she still spent the whole second book in Qarth
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Because a lannister always pays his debts. If bolton's chief cuts his hand for a silly reasons, they are gonna pay for it but
For some reason they completely forget about it. Tywin forget about it and it's completely unbelievable because that hand costed Jamie so much. Made him a silly goose from the best knight alive
@@bait5257 right? It’s ridiculous that the golden child’s golden hand wasn’t made a bigger deal of. Like Jaime is supposed to be one of the greatest swordsmen of his time from one of the most powerful families and it’s just forgotten?
@@aimee-leighkelly2906 Jamie was the best knight alive in s1 (because berristen was old and sword of morning was dead)
I don't know why anyone expected the guy who wrote X-Men Origins Wolverine to write Game of Thrones well
Holy shit I forgot that
That is worst things of all, GRRM trusted them, that they will do true adaptation and they fu** him over, that's why he stoped working on show. And most funny thing is that HBO could not change showrunners.
@@ufiCz It was planned that they would switch show runners around the end of the season 6 i believe. But D&D insisted on finishing the show themselves and told HBO they could do it. But knowing what happened, they probably did that so they would be recognized as the only writers for what should’ve been “the greatest show of all time”
the audience need to pay more attention, at the end of the day we hold the power
@@ufiCz He mostly stopped working on the show because the show caught up with the books and he needed all the time in the world to finish the books.
Turns out that was kind of a lie and he was just tired of the ASOIAF universe.
the actors carried the show more than the dissapointing writers
I literally forgot that Varys was killed, that’s how inconsequential his character became. So sad as I always read him as the master puppet with so much interesting backstory
Same, I completely forgot about that as well
Me too
Same lol
Yeah his death doesn't even make sense. Master of spies openly committed treason, like wtf
Conleth was pissed how his character ended, literally watch his reaction in his last script reading.
He looked like he wanted to cry. Such a waste of an amazing character and great actor.
Also in a video where the actors for Bran, Davos and Varys were all there, and they were asked "Were you happy with your character's ending?" and the former two both look at Conleth immediately and get really nervous awkward smiles, as if they expect him to explode with a rant or something (when HBO wants them on their best behaviour). Conleth looked pissed off in that interview too. To me that shows that Conleth had talked to other actors at length about how everything had gone to shit.
@@wafflingmean4477 link?
@@sapphirevaltiel 10 out of 10
@@sapphirevaltiel 😑🤣
one of the big pulls for me was that the show (earlier on) made you realize that although the Starks were some of the first characters you got to know, the story was bigger than them. but towards the end it was all about the Starks and the rest of the universe seemed to gravitate around them and keep their storylines safe.
Plot armor for the starks. Plot armor against the f*ckn white walkers.
And then the most basic "death scenes" for every major character. Dumb and dumber
Yes this. D&D 100% played favourites with characters. Tyrion, Jon, Arya and Sansa specifically. I'm still mad they never even bothered at least giving Rickon the same attention.
They did Baratheons dirty
Anyone think Kit looks kind of embarrassed sitting next to Dumb?
He looks like he’s trying to fart
That’s just his gormless look
He should have had an "I'm with stupid" shirt.
Very awkward.
@reds head D&D stand for Dan & Dave? I genuinely thought it was a fanmade title meaning Dick & Dumb.
The disrespect to Ian Macelhinney really was disappointing. He was great as Barry the Bold. Funny how the actor understood and had the same reaction as the fans and D&D publicly chat shit about him.
It's been almost 3 years and I still can't get over how bad season 8 was , it felt as if it took away something precious from me , I can't even imagine how the actors who have worked so long and so hard on this felt like ,nothing short of a trauma I am sure and all of this just for the ego of two ppl...it was Chaos indeed and one which wasn't a ladder at all
I'm kinda glad it got ruined because now people can actually read the books and experience the real story.
@@AimForMyHead81 but that would need the books to be finished ...which I am not sure is going to happen
@@reviewmyworld4466 Well, look at it this way. There are 5 complete books and between them, over 5000 pages. Reading them at an even pace will take a while. By the time you're done, it's likely that Winds of Winter will be out or on the verge of release. Not to mention the companion books such as Fire and Blood, A knight of the seven kingdoms, a world of ice and fire etc.
Also, once you start reading them, you'll realise just how many things the TV series completely skimped over or changed; entire arcs, characters and plotlines. Reading them is like rediscovering Martin's world for the very first time again, only this time it's the true vision of that world. So I highly recommend them.
@@AimForMyHead81 thanks , i bought the books sometime back but I was wary of starting on a journey which might not have a clear ending , I recently started fire and blood though ..to keep in pace with House of Dragon
@@reviewmyworld4466 lol
There’s an interview with the actor that plays Davos where he says he put his foot down when they wanted to give him a romantic arc with Missandei.
Basically he believed it would decontextualise all that characters relationships with his young female friends and he found it disgusting.
Who knows what else they didn’t get away with.
Oh god that would’ve been terrible if it happened, and so out of character 💀 in the books Davos repeatedly said how he wanted to go back to his wife, how he felt he wasn’t treating his wife well enough because he constantly ran off to do things for Stannis, how after the war he’d retire with his wife-in fact, Davos is one of the rare characters in the books actually loyal to his wife.
Omgggg what a mess this would’ve been!!!!
So glad that didn’t happen, and I’m so glad that he knew his character enough to know that it’s very… well, out of character.
@@amuletace Plus, he loved Shireen like a daughter. He would never be with the woman who killed her.
@@eliseesbjornsson4981 He said Missandei not Mellisandre
"There is no curse in Valyrian, Dothraki, or the tongues of Westeros for this treachery."
0:04 his case was a funny one cause he's character is VERY much alive in the books hell even in the released chapers of the new incoming book his character as a big part on it.
Their main problem is ego. Besides them having no talent, the most important thing for a writer or any other artist is to be humble and open to criticism. These dimwits are neither.
They’ve been relentlessly praised for copying a book into a script
@@stopwritingthatreplyjohnat6638 And even with that they did bad job.
@@ufiCz Not with the first 4 seasons.
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Honestly, I’m a believer that the first 4 seasons are better than the books themselves.
@@RestitutorEuropa Shows how good David and Dan are when they actually understand and put in the effort to write and adapt a story properly, as opposed to rushing a story you have no interest in telling so you can move on to the next one.
I mean they're low-level defaming and deriding Ian. Despicable Narcs.
Let's pray these morons never get work again.
@@AimForMyHead81 they def won't. Disney and netflix both gave dumb and dumber the boot.
Ironic, since joffrey attempts to defame his character
@@Chaotic-Star-3-6-9 I think their contract with Netflix is still on
@Victor Tronin I hate to tell you this but there is absolutely no chance in hell of Disney ever going bankrupt.
Even if they monumentally mess up every movie they make from this point onwards they will probably at least break even in profits with the production cost, they make so much money off well... EVERYTHING else.
They got: toys, books, comics, clothes, songs, amusement parks, and of course the money they still make off movies that they already made.
Not to mention whatever else I simply can't think of that they would also be using to make money.
Point is, they could mess up as much as they want but the odds of them going bankrupt is practically nonexistant.
It's interesting because I've always thought writing Barristan out prematurely was their first MAJOR mistake. This controversy shook the faith of the fandom because he was an extremely popular character in the books AND show. It was like having Grey Wind killed instead of Lady in the first season. Symbolically, it made no sense.
At the beginning I got the vibe that the whole story was just lowkey a chess match between Varys and Littlefinger, but towards the end that whole thing seemed to have kinda faded away
In the books the vibe doesn't fade away, even as of now so thats f-ing good
Varys in the books is playing a looong game of Chess. Its seriously amazing his far he thought into the future. Destabilizing the kingdom while creating a force and ruler to take over.
That disappointed me more than anything.
Yeah, their relationship was very interesting. Two of the smartest characters in the show. But of course, when D&D didn’t have the books as a source anymore they couldn’t write good dialogue.
Yeah, I really hope it's kinda like Death Note about the battle of the brains between L and Light Yagami. Season 7 and 8 are just like Near come out of nowhere and defeat Light so easily.
"We got a long letter explaining why this was a bad idea, uhhh, which just made us wanna kill that person that much more."
Yeah, totally put your personal feelings ahead of your writing and ignore any criticism no matter who or how many people are giving said criticism. Not ignorant at all!
What could go wrong!?
These writers can’t take criticism and it’s pathetic, they deserved all the hate for that ending
They definitely deserved that specially with them laughing about killing Ser barristan like that
If you go down the rabbit hole, you'll see that D&D never tells the actors when their characters are gonna die (and that they're gonna loose their job) in advance. In fact, they NEVER talk to their actors about anything concerning the script, and NEVER listen to any criticism voiced by them (or by anyone, actually). It's exactly like Nico said, their mindset is "you're an actor, just say the words", and their track record shows it.
I feel like people underestimate how much actors understand the story they're in. Sure some actors just say the lines but truly great actors understand the plot and why the character is acting that way.
And this is also a bullshit attitude there have been countless movies that have been improved by the actors themselves being involved in the building of the characters or in the script. So yeaaah their shitty attitude shows even more in the final product which is season 8
In the Friends series, the writers were letting the actors themselves come up with lines or jokes, or if the actors or film crew, didn't find a "specific" joke funny, they would change the whole thing mid through filming. And they were listening to the actors criticism, and look how successfull that show is, even many years after. Two completely different genres, but cooperation between writers and actors, is the key to a great show.
@@astridleed8381 If you look at the two different legacies that both shows bring, its even more apparent. Friends ended way back in 2004, yet they always make it a huge fucking deal whenever it moves onto a different streaming service. One of the main selling points of HBO Max was that it was now the exclusive streaming service to watch every season of Friends.
Game of Thrones ended a little less than two years ago, yet no one even fucking talks about that show
@Devin Carter HBO is not blameless here. They should have kicked D&D out and hired someone else to take the show forward as soon as it became apparent that D&D did neither care about the show or understand the source material. HBO should have given the show to someone who would have listened to GRRM and the actors who knew their characters.
You have to admire the actors' passion for their role and despise the writers' lack of it
When someone takes a time to write you a respectful, detailed letter with a counterargument, your reaction shouldn't be, "Well, that's annoying, now I am really going to kill off your character." What the reaction is, frankly, is to have a meeting, a conversation, and explain your point of view. The actor doesn't have to accept it, but if they know the reason is because the story is just to big, and the character's impact doesn't serve an end goal to push the major plot forward, then you can at least live with mutual respect, despite the disagreement.
This woulda been 13 seasons if George RR Martin had his way.
Yeah. If they were so tired they should have gave the job to someone that wanted it.
Same with HBO. Obviously they wanted their most profitable show of all time to stay on the air for as long as possible. The only reason it was rushed to finish is because D&D were selfish and greedy and wanted to hurry up and start their Star Wars project which is ironic because they were fired from that and I bet you any money they wish they never ended Game of Thrones. You don’t know what you got til you f**k it up and it’s gone and now they have ruined their reputations. They could have done Game of Thrones the justice it deserved and went on a few more seasons and ended it properly but no, they had to ruin my favorite show.
@@deepdirt I think they were "fired" because of how they handle the finale of GoT since Starwars wanted/needed people that knew how to complete a story. After the Last Jedi and the Rise of Skywalker they needed people that knew how to do that, and they sadly failed in that aspect.
sure if GRRM got off his fat ass and wrote the books. The idiot wanted more money and fame and sold the rights before finishing them. Fuck that fat fuck
@@daniellee2343 You are disgusting, and no, D&D were acting as if they were the one that wrote the story undermining George RR Martin opinions and ideas, so he left the show when they stop listening to him and his opinion since they knew better (and no, they didn't). George would have still help finished the series if they didn't want to rush the ending and cut most of the story line.
It's 2021 and I still cannot believe the magnitude of injustice that was done to this once great show. I still watch these videos every few months.
I'm kinda glad it got ruined because now people can actually read the books and experience the real story.
@@AimForMyHead81 unfortunately the books aren't finished; and the worst part of the show is the part the books haven't covered yet. So even people reading it have to accept that terrible end to the show...probably forever since I am starting to seriously doubt GRRM will finish another book
@@feralscooter He probably finished it but says he hasn't to increase the demand bringing in massive profits in favor the more desperate show runners. It'd be a strategic move from GRRM. Most Book readers will not watch the shows if they're not based on the source material cause season 8 of GOT ruined alot of fans.
@@feralscooter i guess it all depends on the person reading, i read lord of the rings and i couldn't care less for the movies and stuff and how bad they handled it same for percy Jackson, harry potter etc. Also i personally care less about the ending and more about world building and characters so i guess it was much easier for me to still have it as my fav tv/book series
@@ANJIN-p4q it’s been 10 years and there is quite literally 0 evidence of GRRM or anyone in his camp thinking of his series this way.
The answer is simple, GRRM is a creator first, a writer second. He gets distracted with other, newer projects easily and has thus not made as much progress on WoW. The delays with the book started mainly due to the GoT show taking up his time
They forgot about Daario Naharis too lmao, he just disappears forever inexplicably at some point.
My only consolations are he didn't die and they didn't have the chance to make him do something stupid and out of character or be "outsmarted" to make the disastrous plot "work" if he had stayed.
So basically the seasoned and more experienced actors knew the show was going to shit and tried to help D$D but they ignored them. That’s some serious ego.
I used to think how unlucky it is for Sean Bean to get killed off in season 1. Now I think he is the luckiest.
To be honest, Ned Stark is still one of the favourites in the show.
Tywin really did foreshadow D&D's idiocracy with Ser Barristan
"Dismissing him was as insulting as it was stupid"
Masterpiece destroyed. Also, it's no surprise that Varys was NOT happy with how his story ended, we all saw how he threw the script aside after reading that crap.
It has been over a year
And I still cant get over what happened
My man there is a hole in me that I still carry each day at this loss. It was not just a show but a truly unique instant cult fandom and mainstream love for a world, it's story, the actors and it pains me that we might never have something like this again.
@@bingtunder683 I thought this show had the potential to be better than breaking bad but the ending failed it. Watch BB if you haven’t already
@@bingtunder683It won't be another GOT, not even the prequels, which are going to be full of sjw agenda.
@@Emy-fv5ny Sjw agenda- lol,it's adapted based on grrm's books.
@@kalyanvadlamani7607 Not all the season were adapted from the books. C'mon everybody knows this...Well almost everybody apparently.
I find it hilarious and sad that basically everyone that has watched the show until the end never recommends it to other people. Whenever I get to know people a little more there comes the conversation of what shows we like or what you’d recommend but not once has GOT been brought up since the finale by neither me nor anyone else I’ve met for that matter. Sad because the first few seasons were so goddamn good.
Funny how Nico is able to say definitively shit didn't make sense after season 4. It's almost like two hack frauds no longer had the ability to water down a writer who meticulously set up these storylines for over 20 years.
what's crazy is that he argued with them for seasons on end and publicly voiced his opinion and interpretation regardless, and then suddenly he started doing clean up for them and praising them and season 8. It was bizarre, almost like HBO and D&D had held his family hostage or something
@@daphne6211 He has critiziced them after season 8 but hes not as on the nose about it, makes sense tho, its pointless now and hes working with HBO for his Egg and Dunk series so he probably doesn't want too many bad blood going. (Luckily he has much more control over this new one)
@@alejandrovallejo6763 Not GRRM, we were talking about Nikolaj Coster-Waldau
@@daphne6211 Part of the actor job is promoting the work on featured appearances on other talk shows and scheduled interviews. The time he was praising them was probably under contract as the "promotional period/appearances". These clips are probably from interviews that aren't.
I remember watching a video of Emilia talking about the ending once before it was released. She was smiling and jolly as usual but somebody asked her a question about how fans would feel about the finale. Even though she kept a smile on her face, her facial expression and eyes were saying something different. In hindsight you could tell she felt horrible for lying and knew the fans would absolutely hate it. At the time of watching I was just thinking good acting and just keeping fans in suspense of what’s going happen. But after watching season 8 that interview replayed in mind and it made much more sense.
Best season ever?
@@ImaginaryChannel Yes, it's the best... in a brutal, horribly uncomfortable sort of way
@@nicholaskenneth113 he wasn’t asking if season 8 was the best lol he was asking if the person was referring to Emilia’s awkward “best season ever” reply lol
lol remember when they asked Kit Harrington if he could sum it up in one word. He replies "Disappointing" then says "Epic" and then laughs and says one of those two.
@@lastword8783 without a second of hesitation. Lord, he looked so defeated.
Kit’s face when he’s saying “just wanted to kill them more” after receiving a letter from the actor who was actually passionate about the show.. says everything
It must be awful to play a role and suddenly have your character acting in ways that go against all the character development that's transpired over the past few years.
my thoughts exactly, and these actors chose these roles because they liked the writing and then suddenly it changes and they're stuck with it
You already had a really freaking long letter about why it was a bad idea to kill Selmy, all of the books
I mean, killing him at that point of the story... because all that praying to the Stranger...
Killing Barristan when they did would be like having Catelyn kill Jaime at the end of season 2
How do you feel about them ignoring Tysha (season 4) and Lady Stoneheart (season 5-6) ?
Varys was the HERO of the whole damn show. He was in the game for the people not himself. I loved his character so much.
1:21 notice that he said ever since season 4? Right after george left they started doing shit.
Yeah. I started questioning the series early in season 4, and I fell out of love with it entirely by season 6.
@@jackthenarrator4735 I can remember the first four seasons so vividly. Granted, I didn't start watching GoT until the end of 2017, but I was reminded of when my parents took my sister and I to see Return of the King when I was 9. I can still tell you vivid details from that day, like how I cringed when I thought Pippin's singing would be bad, or how terrified I was watching Frodo get chased by Shelob. I got goosebumps when Aragorn found Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin and knelt before them. The first four seasons of GoT were like that for me. The shock when Joffrey ordered Ned's execution to Oberyn's gruesome death. Seasons 5-8 don't do that for me. I can still remember the brilliance of first four seasons, but I can't remember anything notable happening in seasons 5-6. I have to go on Wikipedia to remind myself what happened. It was that bad for me.
Season 6 was the peak after a mediocre season 5 and befor the downfall of 7 and 8
@@knizzler1624 Season 6 might be the peak of the much lesser half of GoT anyway (5-8). It’s still nowhere near as good as seasons 1-4.
@@AH-bm5xs I completely disagree with that
Videos dragging D&D are my FAWKING FAVOURITE
You said it girl!!
Those two writers should be strung up for what they did to the last season. It used to be writers weren't the ones in charge of production. We need to get back to that.
This was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for the actors and the show was probably the biggest cultural phenomenon of any show in history. I will never understand the writers trashing it like they did.
It's ironic that Barristan does this in the show. He tries to appeal to reason but gets kicked out of joffreys court.
Wow it's crazy how what was such a beloved show will be remembered for it's devolution into horrible writing. People barely talk about this show anymore. Conversely, Better Call Saul which was masterful written and has an incredible final season which I love even more every time I think about it and will go down as one of the most well written shows ever. Goes to show how brilliant Peter Gould and Vince Gilligan are and how incompetent David Benioff and D.B. Weiss are. Also a side note, I am so happy Vince is creating another show starring Rhea Seehorn! Dude is a fucking genius and an incredible writer.
It makes me so sad that the actors cared so deeply about the books and source materials for their characters
Varys in the first seasons was shown like he was the most secretive man in westeros. People talked about him like he was an omniscient boogeyman who pulled the strings of people pulling strings. His intelligence network covered basically the entirety of Westeros and Essos, meaning he could work his way around any situation he wanted to. And in his final scenes, he is openly talking treason to Jon, who is at that point the most loyal person to Daenerys, and Varys somehow thinks this is a good idea and have no backup plan if things go sideways? D&D really dumbed down everyone in season 8.
It really bothers me that I still get this pissed off about their incompetence even though it's been years now. The writing was on the wall though, when HBO and George R.R. Martin both pushed to have a few more seasons and Dick&Dickhead not only said no, but actually cut the last 2 seasons short, I think we all knew they were going to fuck it up. It's really amazing how they took what was widely hailed as one of the best TV shows ever, and managed to leave its legacy as one of the worst by completely butchering the last season -_-
Barristen's first mistake was to have "expectations".
It is known that D&D's favourite pastime is subverting expectations 😂😂😂
That is an understatement to say they are just subverting expectation. George RR Martin subverts tropes. D&D subverts good writing.
Imagine being one of these actor's, not even a main cast but being on the show for year's with at least some decent screentime. Imagine all the work, toil, stress, and willpower required for a show of this size, and then imagine that your bosses are half a breath away from not giving two shit's. Your opinion, your knowledge, your word's as a talented human being, and constantly getting silenced for what should be "good" storytelling on the runner's part. Then you get to season 8, and D&D are just like "we forgot, we dont care, we have constraint's, we dont value your opinion etc...". Damn I would have been irate out the gate success, or opportunities be damned.
Does anyone know if Dumb and Dumber have any social media accounts I can send my kind regards to?
In retrospect it was complete insanity to entrust the writing of this entire show to just these 2 guys
GRRM did that, because they promised him they will do true adaptation of books, not fan fiction and they fu** him over. That's why he stoped working on that show.......
I heard that HBO offer them more writers but they no, they also offer them more seasons they said no.
The show needed a huge staff of writers. We had enough plot for at least 10 seasons.
@@ufiCz didn’t he also let them do it because they guessed who Jon’s mother was? At least I think that was part of it. But they did a terrible job with that whole plot
They should have been fired by the end of season 6 when it was apparent to everyone that they had emotionally bailed and intellectually failed to maintain a level of quality.
It’s actually humorous. Think about how they literally rushed through Season 8 because they wanted to move on to their Star Wars project but they then literally got fired from GoT and because they decided to literally rush the final season their reputation was ruined for how horrid they handled it.
Literally
If I ever see one of them writing or showrunning again, I'm never watching it, because they've shown that they don't care about being true to the characters they're given.
Absolute hacks, both of them. Shown to be hopeless as soon as they had to let go of GRRM’s hand. Unbelievable that Netflix gave them $200million.
I felt so bad for got, i would love to rewatch this series like my other favorites, but everytime i think of 7 and 8. I cant get myself to watch the whole series again.
Just watch seasons 1-4, you know, when the series was actually good.
Post season 4 is non-canon anyway.
@@RedFloyd469 yeah but watching a series without conclusion is just wasting time.
Very true!
I deleted every season.
Ironically, that is when I stopped watching GoT. I only started again before season 7 ramped up. So, I was catching up in early 2017 like mad to know all the little details before the S7 premiere.
I enjoyed GoT, but was it the same consistency throughout? Of course not, as other have clearly pointed out.
Later on I learned Martin stopped writing after S4, and I thought no wonder the writing seems to be subpar for such a solid show. Again, nothin new.
The show needed Martin, and he left to continue writing the rest of the story. He made his choice. The end.
The best summary for this scenario. "Unfortunately I read the books"
By the end of Season 5 I was telling my friends 'this show went to shit', and at the time everyone said I was overracting. I wish things stayed as bad as I thought they already were in season five
Same. I didn't even finish season 5 as you can clearly see it losing the plot it was an awful viewing experience..
Such a tragedy as i really loved season 3
0:46 classless
Yeah actually pretty messed up
@Mister Guy I think that's what everybody understood, but that's still messed up, as it clearly shows a great lack of maturity from them.
@@na9615 And a lack of respect for the actor.
@@aarongallagher6954 Who actually understood the material and made some valid arguments. It’s like they punished him for caring
That angered me...
Those writers got real full of themselves when they got rich of someone elses work. Then wanna be snotty when people who know better question them. GoT was my thing. One of the few that i had to loom forward to an like everything else good, started to die in front of me. Talk about collapsing under its own magnificence.
same got was my thing as well and I haven’t found another show that I can love just as much :/ really sucks
The sad part is that even an average GoT fan would right a better story outline than this. If they were that busy, they could just pick a fan fiction line and do some variation of it.
My biggest complaint with the last few seasons (season 5 and beyond), was the dialogue being atrocious. Varys the "Master of whispers" couldn't string words together to show his wit that the previous seasons had showcased. It was watered down when they had no source material to work off of.
Both Barristan AND Varys are alive in the books. Varys' last scene in the books is one hell of a cliffhanger too...
Book Varys is evil for that last scene lol. He killed Ser Kevan because he was doing a good job ruling, and Varys couldn't have that. "For the children" my ass Varys, you're doing what you do for your own personal ambitions
@@jaimelannister1797 Wouldn't say that. We don't know why Varys does what he does, but right now his ambition is to 'restore' "Aegon", aka Young Griff, to the Iron Throne. And a weak, incompetent and unpopular Lannister regime is the best route for that.
@@alexander9703 Yes but do the ends justify the means? I don't think so. Aegon doesn't seem like he's gonna be a good ruler to me. He's impulsive and easily manipulated, as seen by deciding to listen to Tyrion.
@@jaimelannister1797 One question: Aegon is Jon Snow? Or in the books we have more Targaryens alive?
@@noxe6413 no Aegon is not Jon snow in the books. He claims to be Rhaegar’s son, but most fans suspect he’s a fake, and actually a Blackfyre, which is a bastard branch of the Targaryens. Though I think he is indeed a fake, I think he truly believes he is Rhaegar’s son, and is just being manipulated by Varys
I was heartbroken when they killed or destroyed Barriston, Varys, Dany, Jon, and little finger. I was not happy with a single character arc in the end, excepting Bolton. It was hideously done.
You forgot Tyrion, Arya, Bran, Meera, Jaime, Cersei and Euron. I probably forgot some too. Also there are the characters they didn't even bother too include in the first place, like Aegon, Jon Connington, Quentyn Martell, Strong Belwas, Arianne Martell and of course Lady Stoneheart.
Theon did well tho.
Stannis too. They could not have given that character a more degrading, humiliating and out of character end if they tried. Ramsey fucking Snow and his '20 good men' (TV Ramsey was himself a 3rd rate Joffrey, which is at least better than Euran Greyjoy, their 4th rate Joffrey for the final seasons).
@@alexander9703 Euron grayjoy felt like a parody of GoT.
@@hkiajtaqks5253 I know right? Cthulu incarnate reduced to dude bro pirate.
I really love when showrunners decid that their writing is better that the original. It seems to always work great
1:27 this how a lot of higher ups in jobs respond when you raise any concerns. "We hear you... But will do nothing to change it".
When they're succeeding, its their leadership. When it fails, its the lower level workers.
Yes, I hear and feel that all the time at work. Management is always talking about flat structures, critical feedback culture and that they wish for employees to be engaged and think broad. But as soon as you say something or point out errors...goodbye promotion
I'm still heartbroken over how it ended! I have all the box sets just sitting there collecting dust. So sad
Could be worse. You could've named you daughter "Daenerys". Lol
They little screwed everyone over because they were bored of it...and i think it is a stretch to call them writers
I hope D&D never get work again
Sorry to break it to you, but Dave and Dan are working with Netflix now.
just boycott the stupid fucks
@@markparkinson6947 If you want to call it working. All they've done in the past year is direct a comedy special with Leslie Jones
@@stuartward1755 Yeah, and they are also working on a 3 Body Problems adaptation.
@@markparkinson6947 I hope they don't screw that up -- although I've read the books. It's a very unique series, and I'm not even sure how it would be worked into a series. That said, i read GoT as well.
They damage their reputation by showing how they write vs how they adapt books. Those last 2 season were their portfolio for writing, and they sadly failed. (Since they rush to the finish line and fell.)
The writers had too much ego to realize the show’s success was *despite* them and not because of them.
Jamie and Bronn in Dorne was like something from a Christmas panto.
That and the All Stars Suicide Mission™ beyond the wall...
i will always love the show, terrible how it played out over the last couple seasons.... but i find peace in knowing these guys have sunk their reputations
I hope it was gratifying to the actors to know how much D&D are hated now. I am glad to never have to worry about seeing their work again, those smug bastards
When the cast and crew care more about the show than the supposed writers.