Ninja Martial Arts
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- In this video Antony talks about which martial arts the ninja used, was it samurai arts or their own fighting style. Leave a comment on your opinion.
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Antony Cummins is a historical researcher who focuses on samurai and shinobi history, his aim is to understand just what the samurai did and how they did it. On this channel you will learn along with Antony about the deep traditions of the samurai and will explore with him the secrets of long forgotten Japanese scrolls.
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I agree with you Antony. However, if the ninjato did exist, & I believe that it did, than I would imagine that the shinobi had specific kenjutsu techniques for that particular sword. I would also think, that shinobi used shuriken more often than samurai did. I know you've been skeptical about their shuriken use, but that weapon seems like a perfect fit for the type of jobs they were involved with. It's a great distraction when making an escape.
Antony one thing I would think shinobi would focus on, is iron body training. Meaning, hitting various parts of the body against hard objects, in order to harden the body. Jujutsu doesn't seem to be as practical when trying to make an escape as say, one blow that can kill or crack bone. I'm not saying that they didn't train in jujutsu, but a quick devastating iron hand strike, seems a lot more efficient for their line of work. Iron body would also protect them against an improper fall, when jumping from, or falling from a height. I'd like to get your opinion on that, but I don't expect a response.
@@honorthedead All aspects of Japanese warfare originated with China. The Art of War by Sun Tzu was one of the Samurai's biggest influences. & you're right about Shaolin monks training in iron body. I don't how long that practice has been around, but I suspect it's a really old training method. It's amazing to me, that martial artists of Asia trained their body that way. Everywhere else focused on strengthening muscles, but they strengthened bones too. There's many UA-cam videos of guys breaking bricks & other objects with their hands. If any normal person gets hit with a blow from an individual trained in iron hand, they could be killed instantly. I appreciated your comment.
My son does karate taekwondo kickboxing anti boxing what can hear affair to when people say what do you do i see freestyle fighter a marshall artist or a ninja
From what I'm getting here is there's a clear difference between the English use of words versus the Japanese use of words. I don't know anything about the Japanese language, but I know words in their language can have more than one meaning.
Well done and informative. Shame most people today simply live in a bubble and believe what suits them. Facts don't seem to matter anymore.
Well done Anthony. For put the truth out there...
Hi Antony, thank you for the video. I would like to say that I believe that there are some skills and techniques that the Shinobi altered for their specific needs and situations that later on would pass on to their children. But the basis of the techniques would be the same as the samurai arts. But I do believe that they would have there own way of learning new techniques. Just like with their experiences with gunpowder and all the various uses they have with it. I don't know just a thought. I appreciate you really diving into history and finding answers about these subjects.
Hi Antoni, I think this is one of the more positive video you've done. If we break the confines of style and look at the mechanism, and get over the pop culture separation between ninja and samurai. We can study this like most of us have done, and capture the essence of samurai and ninja martial arts. Train in striking and, grappling and swordsmanship, It may not necessarily be that of Japanese cultural landscape and mindset, but it's a start. And you understand the common principles. And you can either adapt of change to your liking. What brings us together is far more important than the things that separates us.
Martial from Mars, Roman god of war. Curiously, an anagram of Mars is arms, a term for weaponry. A coincidence no doubt but interesting none the less (to me, anyway!!) Great video as always btw.
Outstanding! Nearly everyone wants to believe in something. But do they want to know exactly? No, they don't! Antony wants and does. That's why I love your books.
Personally I think a lot of people get confused with all the different types. There are so many without one definite overall word to describe everything as a whole & this is only for Samurai or Shinobi styles. Not counting all the other ones throughout Japan.
I know you don't like to speculate, but a video on SPECIFIC ryu/school that were LIKELY used by _some sort of ninja_ during the _Sengoku Period_ would help our imaginations. Especially cool would be talking about any surviving schools from that time. And speak to the notion, if you agree, that techniques from that surviving school probably evolved. If so, then to what degree have they likely changed. Just your opinion and speculation.
Until we invent time travel, you're our best hope at trying to paint-the-picture of what ninjas did. Thanks ahead.
I understand what you're saying. Here is one suggestion I might have. Samurai usually wore armor or followed certain rules that as a shinobi no mono they wouldn't. So would it not be fair to say they adapted what they did as samurai to their shinobi work? Use the blade a bit differently? Employed unarmed tactics that had a more covert or underhanded nature to it?
Oh man i remember that movie you’ve included clips from LOL
The dumbest, most ridiculous ninja film I’ve ever seen but I still liked it because of the laughs my mates and I had while watching it.
Thank you very much for your information videos I think they play a very important role in clarifying the historical lore for shinobi and samurai. keep it up thanks 💪
So far, no historical document has ever been found which states that Ninja did not practice Ninpo Taijutsu. Therefore, saying that they didn't practice in Ninja hand to hand combat is merely speculation and unproved theory. Ninja actually use their entire body as a weapon.
That statement is wrong on many levels and that argument has been proven wrong countless times.
You're doing much better with the videos. Keep it up.
So what’s the difference between bujutsu and bugei?🤔
Also, I totally love that snoring doggie! 🥰
Bugei and bujustu are it so different. Basically the same thing.
At 1:29 a Ninja passed behind Anthony...😳
Hi Antony! Could you please cover Tanbo jutsu (baton) in samurai fighting systems… was it historically taught? How common was it? Was it as developed as say kali or escrima?
I would love to see a video on the subject! Thank you! 🙏
I like this video, thank you for helping to get rid of all the disinformation about martial arts and the Ninja.
I agree with the available information that you have brought forward that there’s no “martial art” exclusively used by ninja. I think you, however, brought up a good point that complicates that a bit in that fighting systems at the time were much more localized. I think some of those localized differences might have been significant at least to a degree. I say this by looking at how the same punch is done in many arts today. Sure , they might all be a cross punch, but there are meaningful things to learn from different arts’ approaches to the said technique; at least, that’s been my experience.
To further your point on the clan specific systems, I think it is important for us to remember how much harder it used to be to get information. Heck, even in my 42 years, it’s become way easier. As a bit of an aside and anecdote, Paul McCartney often tells a story of him and John traveling to a different town to learn the guitar chord B7 (a very easy to find chord today that’s in any chord book or a simple Google search) because they heard that there was one guy there that knew it. If it was that hard to get information that certainly wasn’t a life or death matter even not that long ago, I imagine it would have been even more difficult to get special fighting/killing techniques long ago because their secrecy was a survival necessity. That being said, I think all those techniques either are lost to our knowledge or were incorporated in existing arts and the secrecy removed. Anyone claiming to have secret fighting techniques is usually either delusional, looking to turn a buck, or both.
Sorry for the long reply, but I found the topic very interesting. Last point: anyone else have a dad, uncle, grandpa, or family friend that taught you a few fighting tricks - maybe just for some school yard scraps- when you were growing up? I did! And this was done in, historically speaking, safe times and places. Imagine what the motivation would have been like to develop some tricks and pass on those techniques at that time within the family.
So where do I come down on this debate: depending on how we define some of the terms, I’m a firm sort of. 😂
Something I’ve been curious about recently. I know Ninja had all these disguises for blending in, infiltration and travel. But how common was travel for an individual Ninja? And how far would they travel? Did they stick to a local area? A region? Did they travel all over Japan? We’re they actually based in “ninja clan villages”?
Good question. I will make a video
@@AntonyCummins Looking forward to it already.
Another awesome video !!! For some reason,I like Oda Nobunaga. But I’m not a fan of Toyotomi Hideyoshi.
I agree Antony with what you’re saying,however I do believe the Ninja would modify some of their techniques,especially,some of their sword techniques. I can see the different disciplines being altered or modified,for what ever they need it for. But what do I know. I’m just a simple man,trying to make his way in the universe. -(Star Wars reference) lol
I recently left a comment on your new Jesse Enkamp video asking "why wasn’t there a ninja martial art?" I was listening to you there and on this video, and it really got me thinking. I was saying Police officers/Law Enforcement use BJJ, but their BJJ is unique. What works for a BJJ competing on a mat while wearing a gi, won’t work for a police officer wrestling w/ a guy on the sidewalk trying to get his gun. So, even though the officer and the competitor are both using BJJ, it’s a very different style, right?
A BJJ instructor, would have to change and adapt BJJ for the police officer’s job.
And a BJJ instructor would have to change it again if instead he was training a Military Soldier, right? Because what a police officer has to deal w/ is different than what a soldier has to deal w/.
Idk, so just more and more it’s getting to me that why wasn’t there any changes or adaptations to the Bujutsu of the Samurai that are specific to the Ninja?
Or do you just NOT see that as it’s own martial art, then?
They do have small adaptions, and they are listed. But the point of a ninja is if you are caught in an enemy position the chances of survival are almost zero. No matter what you do. Everything they do is escape, no martial arts.
@@AntonyCummins I’m wrapping my head around it. Lol But in this video you’re also making the point that "martial arts" isn’t a ancient Japanese way of thinking. So, there is no Samurai martial art either, right? It was all Bujutsu.
So, really what I was talking about w/ adapting Samurai techniques for the ninja should really be referred to as "Shinobi Bujutsu", right?
Wrong?
I don’t know. Haha
Take a shot everytime Antony says Martial
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I *think* someone suggested somewhere (sorry for being vague, I can't recall where I heard that from) that in some scrolls they used "shinobi scrolls" to communicate a technique / skill that was not known to other schools. A secret technique, so-to-speak.
Something like that might be considered "under-handed" for the time, maybe? Depending upon how people in society viewed Shinobi?
Something to give them an advantage over other warriors, as any advantage might make the difference to coming home from battle.
No there is nothing martial arts like that. Just some escape skills
Its sad how someone out there can still think of "ninja" matrial art. Since Shinobi no jutsu has nothing to do with matrial arts.
Ok I am looking for some help my child is doing karate Taekwondo kickboxing Thai and looking for what we could refer to him as a freestyle fighter a martial artist or a ninja he wants something to combine all his Styles as one name
You just have to search your area. Or study from my other channel
is ninja martial arts coertion make it cooler. to draw people to in to fight school
What about Taijutsu? In one of his books Don Dreager says Taijutsu was developed during the Edo period and specialized in small concealed weapons. He mentions a school but I don’t remember what it was. Are there Taijutsu scrolls from this period and would you consider publishing them. I would like to see the source material that was used in creating modern ninjutsu. Thank you.
It’s a big search to do. I’d like to, but swords first
@@saintlaurentdon6037 Body Combative Techniques, also known as Yawara Te, Jujutsu. Umbrella term is Bujutsu.
We can say that the ninja martial arts are spycraft, or survivalism, sabotage, since those are also skills or arts learned for war.
I'll admit, when I hear Ninja Martial Arts I'm thinking of Ninjutsu, which, I assume, is not actually a combat system, yes?
Correct there is no ninja combat system
@@AntonyCummins Thanks! Is Ninjutsu even a correct, existing term? And if so, does it encompass general Ninja arts like disguise, camouflage, survival etc.?
Then question arises as u say ninja used the same martial art used by samurai, then what about equipment or tools that farmers used are normally used by ninja. Because in some of the video which are there from Japan of IGA clan.
0:56 but if as you actually said there is no specific ninja martial art (as ninjutsu is a set of disciplines and not a real martial art) what were the ninjas trained in for unarmed combat?
Jujutsu, kenjutsu, taijutsu, yawara etc
@@AntonyCummins know that I am grateful for every answer, from the latter I seem to have understood that the ninjas for both armed and unarmed combat used every martial art they had available also considering the era, today you can train in any martial art even not only Japanese
Yeah, wow, defantly ninja have skils thay was in the past like the bast spacail forces or comando, spays with that ninja marchal art bujitsu and what you say in video, so in modarn world thay want to usit in intelgant you hnow it's so jims bond marchal art i hnow that from spachl ninja mastar leader
Everybody creates his own fightingsystem like the (ninja`s) but they probably used traditional (Martial Arts), so they have to know different styles to defend themself against it. Otherwise the ninja`s could sent women in to get some information. How about ninja-hypnosis can you cover it sometime ?
The art of fighting...Sojobo TENGU
The big problem is that all the misconception on the ninja derive from well profitable lies. The popular image of the ninja is unreperably tied to them, the ninja is a non copyrighted brand basicly. There will always be people that want to make money in this business and to do so advertising it's important, so the spread of misconception and lies will never stop.
Unless there is world wide legally distinction between ninja and shinobi, but I'm being too hopeful.
Samurai are confined to Shogun,bow and arrow and spear buy ninja used unconventional weapons though hand to hand combat may be the same.
Antony i nave a question is there any evidence the Shinobi used or were thought to use performance enhancing drugs
Not much for drugs. Trace ideas but nothing firm. They dealt in chemicals and also used weed to drug people
Possibly in Fukushima ryu
@@AntonyCummins thanks for the info
Who do we hear snoring?
Doge
Bolt
That was super long-winded. And if there were such a thing as "Ninja Martial arts," which you clearly debunk step by step, then there is an element you're forgetting, "Criminal Martial arts." The Shinobi learned from criminals, such as burglars and thieves and thugs, tools and techniques of infiltration, misdirection, and the like. I would say there is a "Ninja Martial art *set* " simply because, there's a lot of overlap between different professions (Soldier, Spy, Tinker, Tailor, and *criminal* ), but then there's *goal-specific* skills that are neccesary. A shinobi probably doesn't doesn't need spear techniques as they are large weapons, unwieldy in tight corridors, and are conspicuous. Likewise, we have a lot of "Self-defense martial arts" classes, who's mindset is geared around "Well, you're just a civilian, and you're assaulted by someone, you need to defend yourself."
So let me posit this; if you were to train criminals to mug people, or steal, what would that look like? It wouldn't look like a self-defense class, even though the techniques for unarmed combat, or knives, or pistols, would look similar, the *goals* are different; self-defense's goal is the preservation of life. Criminal martial arts is to extract a resource through force. *ninja* martial arts, as the commandos they are, would include land navigation, camouflage, and blending into their environment, depending on the period you're talking and the type of shinobi the mission called for.
It 3as I know. Sorry. I just seemed to not find the point.
@@AntonyCummins I noticed from the cuts. But hey, even artists need sketches; and producing videos is as much of an art as anything else, even if it's just talking into a camera.
For what it's worth, I think you've done a great service for the martial arts community.
Also: My own response was rather lengthy.
i knew it there was a combat skill use by shinobi it was samurai style combat spying is main thing but the hand to hand was done only to escape there enemy but real combat is weaponize martial mean military way ho jutsu also was in it both samurai and ninjutsu so gun was part of it all went under bu jutsu the way of the warrior i know you know your ninjtsu plus samurai now it one in the same thumb up bro i am stick in here
Maybe instead of pitching it as "martial arts of the Ninja & Samurai", it'd be more accurate to just call it Bujutsu?
The point of the video is just that
Because it is a Ninja. Are you not supposed to trick people? As in Ninjas are all about misdirection. So saying a sentence that is designed to confuse would be idea.
No that is not logical. Ninja trick other people not people they are teaching the secrets too.
@@AntonyCummins Sounds like a good way to teach misdirection too me. : )
"Ninja martial arts" is like clickbait.
If you do it you should then diclaim the claim, or be recognised as a servant of Tzeentch and be branded a heretic.
The more I think about it, it would be very unlikely that the Ninja had a Jujutsu that was 100% different than all the other styles of Jujutsu, the same when it comes to sword fighting. HOWEVER, we can see it being very reasonable to see the Ninja modifying standard weapons of the time to better fit their roles. Shorter sword for fighting close quarters, more compact versions of weapons that need to be hidden on the body while in disguise. We see this same logic with Western spies; and at the same time we see being found with too many specialized tools may mark you as a spy if caught, so everyone didn't walk around like James Bond.
Bujutsu =weapons & combatives. Hyohou =military strategy. Shinobi-no-jutsu= guerilla warfare tactics & survival skills. Y not jst leave like this. Japan don't call Bujutsu a Hyohou & they don't call a Hyohou a Bujutsu. Y r soooo many peepz still hung up on ninja ma fantasy?.?