Ninja Martial Arts - Digging Deeper

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[@The10mmcure]

There was a French immigrant during WWII named Fracsois d'Eliscu that taught the US Army Rangers all about knife fighting, how to throat punch,strangle with a cord, you get the idea. He was an accomplished boxer and wrestler who also spent time with the number 1 Japanese Judo champ before the war. I figure they employed guys like that to teach everyone else in their charge. Probably lots of traditional Jujutsu with a heavy accent of things like sticking a thumb in the eyeball.

[@-RONNIE]

Thanks for the video. Bolt is sleeping good 🤣🤣🤣

[@stevenlowe3245]

Love the snoring dog...lmfao

[@KuganeGaming]

Love the black building anology.

[@AntonyCummins]

I’m glad you liked that

[@GallowglassAxe]

I remember this discussion bringing up in comment section in one of the previous videos. I think there is a reason why Sengoku period martial arts is so hard to find.
1. Focus on the Battlefield. Battlefield combat and therefore treatises are very different than treatises for dueling or self defense. They're going to focus mainly on fighting in formation and working as a team rather than one on one. Now in the Edo period you have more dueling and street fighting and here is where the dynamic fighting becomes more common. Generally military training for hand to hand is usually simple and direct. Where you can teach them real quick and be most effective. This is less fancy than the more duelist fighting where you're trying to get that one technique to one up your opponent. So many samurai and therefore Shinobi during the Sengoku period were probably trained in military fighting rather than some martial arts that people normally think of.
2. Risk of the enemy learning it. With shinobi running about its not wise to have written sources of your family or clan's martial arts lying around. I'm willing to bet that most martial arts were passed on orally and through tradition. Similar to how martial arts like jiu-jitsu, karate, and tae kwon do are passed on today.
3. Ever changing environment. In a world with nearly a century of warfare you have to adapt or die. Sure that really cool technique worked back when your grandpa used it but now the enemy has developed a counter for it. So now you need to develop a counter to the counter. So you could write down your martial arts to pass down to your future generations but it will probably be obsolete by the time you finish it.

[@dwl3006]

Jiu-jitsu, karate, and tae kwon do are passed down today with certificates and licenses. There is a paper-trail.

[@alittlepuertoricanboy1993]

It was that, and also because ryuha weren't usually as structured.

[@computron808]

Thank u Ant. Another awesome video !!! And I love the dog snoring in the background. Lol

[@Blizzard4135]

For a few moments, I thought that It was mine...😀

[@sebastiansebshinobi5618]

🤭 Sounds like me after night out🤣

[@sebastiansebshinobi5618]

Return of the jedi dog☆☆☆☆👍

[@schizoidboy]

I would think that if we want to find out what they practiced it might help to look at their origins at the very earliest. I originally heard the Ninja had their roots in China as refugees in Japan. Whatever culture they came from would influence how they fought. Here's a separate instance here, American riflemen during the Revolutionary War used rifles where the technology came from Germany. The Germans were the first people to put bores in their rifles and the Germans settled in America, granted the styles of rifles used were different than were used in Germany but this shows a transplanted tech that found it's way into America.

[@scorpzgca]

Ninjas are a fascinating topic, yes I understand there was no official ninja martial arts but they did many other styles such as kenjutsu, shurikenjutsu, bojutsu and their own traditional martial arts within their family and clan ninjas main priority was to gather information on their enemies and get infiltrate without detection so it makes sense they would focus on other skills such as espionage

[@chasefoster8092]

Your work has greatly influenced my choices of martial arts study. Having a very fine summation of categories of authentic lines of traditional martial arts that can be traced back to ancient times was very helpful in my choices of which martial arts to study.

[@AntonyCummins]

I agree. It will be difficult to get

[@alittlepuertoricanboy1993]

That duel in Iga was an adauchi that started from jealousy. It started with a 19 yr old samurai of the Ikeda clan trying to hit on the 17 yr old wakashu of the lord. The wakashu turned him down, so the 19 yr old killed him and then fled to another domain, and the Lord of that domain refused to turn the killer in. The lord of the Ikeda called on the wakashu's older brother to avenge the dead boy, but he couldn't due to the adauchi laws of the Edo period. The lord died, which actually gave the older brother an excuse to enact adauchi. The older brother called on his brother in law to help, the swordsman Araki Mataemon, who was a Yagyu Shinkage ryu student from Iga.
The killer was trying to get to Edo, and had a retinue. The older brother, Mataemon, and a few other Shinkage ryu students were given information by some Iga shinobi that the retinue was passing through Iga. So the older brother and the other swordsmen all ganged up on the retinue.. and were successful, despite having less people.

[@The_Okami]

I will give my guess. Maybe before dojo culture you would just learn from one of your family members or have to travel to learn from somewhere else? Or if you were part of a very rich family or clan they would hire a samurai who is very well known to teach them fighting techniques and tactics. I would bet a lot of poor samurai would just learn from a family member and train as much as they could, certainly there was some lazy ones tho that were interested in other stuff more than training.

[@ieuanpugh-jones5284]

I think it is likely to be a mix of “styles” of armed and unarmed methods which vary from family to family. Also different people would probably specialise in different weapons the best bowman is probably not the same as the best swordsman etc. The best armed and unarmed combat instructors won’t necessarily have the knowledge of poison and such. In effect I imagine it is to simplistic to think of one master or school necessarily teaching all involved with shinobi-no jutsu.

[@RodCornholio]

Seriously, though, knowing the right question/s to ask is sometimes the key to finding out the answers. Great questions.

[@RodCornholio]

Please donate to Antony or buy his books. He needs to print a large backdrop of the wood stack from his former abode!

[@AntonyCummins]

It will come back

[@tochiro6902]

Thank you for your effort.👍

[@signor_zuzzu]

Farming at day and learning ninjutsu at night. Well that's me.

[@krishnan-resurrection714]

..The Good Life ....😄

[@GHOSTofYOSHIMITSU]

still here signor zuzzu good to see a familiar face : )

[@signor_zuzzu]

@@GHOSTofYOSHIMITSU hi 👋

[@NathanSander777]

What is being practiced now is probably better

[@samiposti2585]

Your dog is killing me 😄

[@RodCornholio]

Great analysis.

[@dwl3006]

It is recorded that Miyamoto Musashi dueled a warrior called Shishido Baiken in Iga province (probably in the 1600s because that's when Musashi did his dueling). Baiken was a resident of Iga and wielded a Kusari-gama, which indicates that Kusari-gama jutsu existed in Iga in the 1600s. If you can find Baiken in any scrolls, lineages or schools, that would be a good place to start, or look at Ryuha with Kusari-kama jutsu. That being said however, it is not necessarily the case the Baiken was a shinobi- there's no direct evidence that he was. He was apparently a weapon-smith and resident of Iga province but I am not sure how much more we know than that.

[@AntonyCummins]

Great point

[@SengokuStudies]

It has been so long since I lived in Japan. I want to go back. I wish they were open, and I had the money to haha. But hopefully eventually....... As far as this question, I am thinking about making a video response as that might be a better medium than a comment post. Plus, I will be honest about my selfishness as well, I can use the content.

[@AntonyCummins]

It would be great to see a response

[@tochiro6902]

I also think that a lot of things were passed down orally, and the special techniques were written down, but then well hidden. And of course time destroys a lot.

[@SengokuStudies]

I did some quick looking. It seems the population of Japan in 1500 is estimated to have been around 9.8 million, and around 12 million in 1600.

[@AntonyCummins]

I think that it's 10 percent fighting men
That includes ashigaru I think. Part time and permanent

[@SengokuStudies]

@@AntonyCummins I have heard the 10% before as well. The numbers I usually see are 3-5% as members of the actual buke class. If you add the ashigaru and others I could see 10%. Although, I am not completely sure. This of course would depend on the period one is talking about. You basing it on the late Sengoku Period, I could certainly see it as you could be looking at the peak of use of ashigaru. So if we were to go with the numbers of say 3-5% buke and 10% total with a middle ground population of 11 million that would come out of be roughly 330,000-550,000 members of the buke, 550,000-770,00 ashigaru and others, for roughly 1.1 million fighting men. That is with the numbers here. Of course, rough estimates are probably the best you will get. But, I am not totally sure how close these numbers are, but based on them this is roughly the type of numbers you come up with.

[@chasefoster8092]

Was wondering if you would ever do a translation of the "tsuki no sho"(excerpts from the moon)? Supposedly written by Yagyu Jubei himself. I can't find any translations anywhere. He's one of my favorite samurai!

[@AntonyCummins]

No one has done it but it seems similar to kadensho

[@1RedShinobi]

Ask the Karate nerd.

[@user-bn4ov9sp5s]

Just think about how much judo and bjj or mma/ vale tudo changed sence the 90s.. i bet even back than changes where drastric between the genreations the b3st bet tho is to focus on region. I think

[@MultiJimbo1970]

Musahis opponent from iga used a kusari gama...all so looking for a Japanese art of the time maybe a misdirection I tried looking for a English one once he's there were schools but they all have there roots in France Spain and Germany perhaps the same goes for Japan and they did king th of some discription?

[@GHOSTofYOSHIMITSU]

hi jim : ) it's a bit hard to grasp what you are saying and i, and i am sure the rest of us would like to understand what you are saying... my english grammar isn't the best either but i would recommend checking your statement to make sure it is coming out in a way that Antony and the rest of us can understand... you totally lost me in what you were trying to say but i don't blame you i blame the auto spell lol

[@AntonyCummins]

Yes that is a great lead

[@iceburn5349]

Speaking of Taisha ryu, when will they release their book?

[@GHOSTofYOSHIMITSU]

Hello Ice Man : ) Antony has stated in a video awhile back that he is no longer able to answer everyone's questions anymore but i do recommend keeping that question in your notes and wait for an opportune moment to ask him... he has done live streams in the past and i think that is the best time to ask him so the best i can recommend is stay tuned and maybe he will speak on that in one of his videos if he hasnt already... i have a couple questions ive been wanting to ask him for a couple years now lol but that's a long story lol ... anyways you have a good one and see you around!!! good question by the way im going to look that up myself thank you for dropping knowledge!!! : )

[@AntonyCummins]

They are talking to publishers now

[@davidhoogenboom3344]

is not dat every castle lord had his own teachers or teacht his people him self like it was in europa

[@cristian.crixus]

And what happen with your research about: TAKENOUCHI RYU??

[@GHOSTofYOSHIMITSU]

Hello Cristian : ) Antony has told us in a previous video that he is unable to answer all of our questions anymore but i say keep that question in your notes so you don't forget and wait for a good opportunity to ask him... he has done live streams in the past and those are great times to ask him questions just stay on top of things so you don't ask him stuff you've asked already : ) great question though ... im a little behind on things at the moment but im sure he will get to the question you are asking... just stay tuned in i say!!! i have a couple questions ive been saving for a couple years now to ask him lol but that's a long story lol

[@AntonyCummins]

I have to wait till I get fresh scrolls with fresh new avenues of investigation

[@canadafree2087]

No Ninja/Samurai ever said, "Ah, I see an opening for something I could do, but I can't do it because it is not a technique of our school." In battle, you do whatever works.

[@ogarzabello]

Why most ninja were from Iga and Koka?

[@AntonyCummins]

They were famous for the ninja. No one knows how many ninja there were

[@palpatine1975]

Hi, is Jinichi kawakami the last true ninja of our century and is his martial arts true to the samurai ways or is it a modified version of ninjitsu? Thank you

[@AntonyCummins]

I have found no evidence that any one person today holds a legitimate line of ninjutsu

[@Ronin_Martial_Arts]

Is your dog snoring in the background?🤣

[@AntonyCummins]

Always

[@f4ust85]

Jesus, do you only lecture when your mother falls asleep mate?

[@AntonyCummins]

My dog. If you follow this you would know. My mother lives 5 hours away. That's loud.

[@user-nm5bd4rs3f]

Antoni way toe don’t sai nting about Israel

[@AntonyCummins]

Not really a political channel

[@FilipCordas]

I think that the 'Martial Arts' of the far east is myth. Most of the things are Imperial Japan propaganda that got popular in the west. The most famous martial art from Japan Judo was directly created from Olympic wrestling. And no one can tell me that Myamoto Musashi wasn't influenced by Portuguese fencers.

[@dwl3006]

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. There is not a shred of evidence that Musashi was influenced by Portuguese fencers (something tells me you haven't read any of Musashi''s works, at least not beyond the five rings).
Judo was created mainly from JuJutsu.

[@GHOSTofYOSHIMITSU]

the martial arts of the far east isn't a myth since they do exist... but i agree with you in the sense that the art of war goes far back in time and isn't originated from one particular country but originated from humanity in general... im sure back in the old days what with all those trade routes martial art styles from different countries were exposed to each other and influenced by one another... you see similar techniques with just different flavors is what im noticing... take that spinning back kick from capoiera for example...let's look at the native americans... they were said to be excellent at the art of stealth from what i gather without going into too much detail.

[@FilipCordas]

@@GHOSTofYOSHIMITSU Well it all depends on what you consider a 'marital art'. People trained to fight in Japan but what we think of as martial art wasn't the primary thing they did. Traditional Japanese fighting styles are mostly useless and focus on pageantry rather then actual fighting. And there was a lot of religious teaching associated with it. So it's more a social activity of the rich during the Edo and Meiji period then it had to do with training for war.

[@FilipCordas]

@@dwl3006 If you don't know Judo was created for two purposes. To be taught in public schools to children and to be an Olympic sport. Jigorō was an education and was one of the main people that created the modern public school system in Japan. His main inspiration for creating Judo was to create the Japanese equivalent of the European Nation States public school system, and judo was to replace the wrestling in the European gymnasium system.

[@GHOSTofYOSHIMITSU]

@@FilipCordas i can see what you are getting at in a sense when we start to think about what is actual fighting... war is a whole other animal compared to your weekend bar fight in a way... to say japanese martial arts, or even asian martial arts for that matter are mostly useless is extreme because it depends on the scenario... ive seen footage on here of tae kwon do with some pretty lethal kicks leading to ferocious knockouts... granted this is happening in a controlled environment but still lol in a war mostly useless but not completely useless right lol

[@black_eagle]

A dog snoring in the background during the whole video? Maybe you should try being just a little professional if you want a larger youtube following?

[@GHOSTofYOSHIMITSU]

you make a valid point but your approach comes off a bit abrasive... i find his dog snoring in the back endearing... ofcourse we all have our views but come on bro!!! lol you make a valid helpful comment though... KAIZEN

[@GHOSTofYOSHIMITSU]

after giving it some thought i would like to take that abrasive word back lol, i see your comment as more tough love... happy to see another familiar face : )

[@RodCornholio]

More is probably known about Ninja toilet habits (see chūgi 籌木 aand kusobera 糞箆) than their martial art (hand-to-hand). A historic tragedy. But NEVER give up Antony!