How One Scene Can FAIL a Character: From Avatar to One Piece
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- The Avatar The Last Airbender live action failed where One Piece succeeded. The biggest reason was the butchered character writing, so lets break that all down here.
- Фільми й анімація
The beauty of Nami’s scene is that her asking for help does not make her any weaker or less capable. We’re SHOWN beforehand that she is more than able to take care of herself. She’s smart, she’s knowledgeable, she can fight, she’s a great navigator.
But she has trauma and is suffering and there are just some things that are beyond her own capabilities. And that’s absolutely OK, she’s able to seek help.
It gives her character dimension and there is depth to her arc.
Yes, asking for help does not mean you are weak. Sometimes it just means you can't body a French door refrigerator onto a flatbed on your own. Sometimes you just need help.
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sucks the live action didnt do it justice
In fact, we are shown the LENGHTS at wich Nami had to be pushed to even ask for help, the scene speaks about how STRONG she is to have taken so much pain and responsability by herself
Nami isn't a damsel in distress.
Nami is the hero who just needed the weapon to defeat the boss.
Luffy isn't a hero. He won't do it because it's right. He will however, when his friends are hurt. He will be the sword for his friends.
Ironically, Arlong is a water bender.
Amazing
FISHMAN KARATE!!! 😄
@@farashahanem That shit ain't Fishman Karate. You need to wait till you meet Jinbe to understand what true FK looks like.
@@Kncperseus I’ve seen Jinbe, we’re in the Punk Hazard arc. I just have a habit of bursting out with the first thing that pops in my mind, like a female Mexican Luffy. 😝
@@Kncperseus Just no stretchy powers here. 😜
It's the very principle behind Luffy's speech to Arlong. Arlong is curious about why Luffy thinks he'll come out on top saying he doesn't know anything. Luffy responds, "Of course I don't know a damn thing about swords, you dumbass! I don't know how to navigate either! I can't cook anything! I can't even lie!"
"Then what CAN you do?"
"I can kick your ass!"
It portrays the argument of the video perfectly. Some iterations even have him add, "I know I need a hand from everyone if I want to keep on living!"
Just reading this…man I love One Piece. It’s too good really.
I love how these shows followed almost opposite hype paths for me. I figured Avatar would turn out good, 8 hours is virtually the same amount of screen time they had for season 1 of the animated series, cut a few episodes and it's basically impossible to fuck it up, especially if you work from the original script. That is, until the original creators left the project then every interview the showrunners and writers went into made it obvious they didn't understand the source material and made me go, "Nope." I watched the first episode and also said "Nope" because the soul was missing. It felt painfully padded out, yet rushed through everything character driven so they could focus on stuff that was frankly more effective occurring mostly off screen. Replacing 8 hours of cartoon with 8 hours of live action doesn't accomplish anything except make it accessible to audiences who don't watch animation at all, but the cost to the quality is too great in my opinion. The story from what I saw was much closer to the original than One Piece LA was but I loathe every change they made with many of them coming across as insulting attempts to "fix" something. The soul was lost in the process.
One Piece I was immediately dismissive of. It's way more cartoony and would be way harder to achieve in Live Action, they had to condense a hundred chapters into 8 episodes which is basically impossible, but then the cast was announced, then the sets were shown off, then Oda was thoroughly on board with the project, then every interview with the showrunners showed they were deeply invested in the source material and understood the core morals and values of One Piece, and then I actually watched the show and absolutely loved it. It isn't perfect, it fixes writing issues with Syrup Village but then introduces new ones. In general a fair number of things happen in a different context that makes them less impactful, in particular I don't like any of the changes they made to Nami's backstory but the soul is definitely there. I can see how every decision was clearly made with love for the source material.
One detail I love about OPLA that show they care is the scene where Luffy eats the Devil fruit in the first episode because they changed the box as they were filming due to a revelation in the manga at the time and now it is an easter egg that readers only learn during Jimbe vs Who's Who
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@@marpj6138 They didn't change that. That was already in there from the beginning in the set of the LA.
i think Namis change was brilliant and something modern oda would of done now hes better at tragedy, in the magna and anime the whole town knowing just removes ANY sacrifice nami made the whole notion of "we didnt want her to feel pressured" is dumb and they should of known her better than that, i dont know how anyone could say the other is objectively better
also yes a lot was changed but it did other key moments WAY better than the anime in particular like how sanjis backstory and many other kety aspects were censored in the anime cause as even Oda said the anime's target audience is young children (thats why they play it in mcdonalds in japan) and is the only reason he was okay with it yet hes loves the LA so that should tell you something
@@imalittletoxicjustalittle Bro wtf are you talking about with the town knowing removes any sacrifice?? It *doesn't" lol and it isn't dumb in the least.
I couldn't get past the first episode of Avatar on Netflix. I got hooked on everything One Piece after watching the live action.
Ditto..............One Piece is borderline crack. FFS I am ordering some of the box sets of the manga next month. (most likely........... a veterinarian visit takes priority)
I have watched a disturbing amount of the anime and follow the manga as it comes out now. I wasn't so invested until I watched a "size of characters of one piece style video" I was trying to imagine the future of the live action. Then I saw characters I needed to know more about. It was all a vortex pulling me in.
One character above all others fascinated me. I started the anime at the beginning of Thriller Bark just to see. (I've watched all the previous episodes since) That all just kept piling up. I needed to know everything. I still don't, obviously.
The "Help me" scene still gets me and bring chills to my heart...
I’ve seen that scene over and over, but I STILL can’t get through it without crying like a baby! 😭💔 Emily Rudd deserves an award for her performance!
I wasn't sure about Emily's Nami until Arlong Park. She nailed every scene on that arc. I love original Nami and I love Emily's version of her
in the one piece fandom we call it the point of no return
Rule of thumb. If a story is so beloved that people clamour for a remake, then it's probably so good already that it doesn't need one 😊
Words of wisdom
Video games with beloved stories but janky gameplay are an obvious exception.
Heck, sometimes even if the original gameplay was good, remaking the game can be worthwhile if you use the opportunity wisely, such as to remove or rework maligned game mechanics, add bonus levels, and include characters fans were disappointed weren't playable in the original.
When I heard the news of original creators leaving, the worry started to grow. Finally the reviews came out and the amount of excitement I accumulated throughout the months prior of its release just vanished.
As someone who grew up with ATLA, it's heartbreaking due to the fact that this is the second remake and somehow, people still don't understand the whole point of the series.
That's what I'm saying... Avatar cartoon is already good. No need to change. While One Piece is too long, Oda has to short it but not losing the message. Oda is The Goat in the storytelling industry
The creator of avatar left. But oda not. It mean something.
WOKE, i gues
@@CatVideoEr what
@@CatVideoEr not even woke, you dingus, jut immensely incompetent at handling the subtlety the animated show was already expert in since season 1
Yes One Piece is long but it kinda earns its duration, 8 epidodes for the entirety of East Blue saga is still way too fast. I liked OPLA a lot, but Luffy gaining Sanji's respect didn't come across too well, neither did Nami's arc or their friendships in general, the actors have lots of chemistry between them so you believe their friendship enough, but my favorite moments in One Piece are when the crew is doing their daily activities on the ship like washing dishes, eating together, cracking stupid jokes, etc. I hope future seasons gives the crew more room to breathe. Not everything on screen has to be functional and move the plot forward IMO
One piece isn't too long lol , who on earth ever complained that there was too much of a story they enjoyed. If people can't bother to watch or read the story then it sucks to be them they missed out but everyone I know who caught up to one piece wished there was more
But, like, why would they even use this in this season? If they want a "strong independent woman", they get Toph. Who is strong and independent and literally mostly taught herself. But learns that even if she doesn't need anyone else, she can still lean on them if she likes to.
Toph isnt a woman, she's like 12, and her character arc in show was asking for helping and making friends, it was just more subtle. She isn't independent at all
@@Snow-xd4rv So, is 14 old?
@@Snow-xd4rv oh yeah she is not independent for sure, but she does have independent characteristics and the mindset since she felt .. let down by her parents.
@@pofuna Yeah I can agree on that part. Sad her independent attitude ruined her relationship with her kids. I felt off when she told her daughter to get over being scarred by the other one
@@justafan1270 14? Who are you talking about?
The duel between Katara and Master Pakku was so epiiiiiic in the OG. UUGGGGGGGGH
When this crazy girl challenges his manhood to get him to fight her. That shit was hard! She went off in that battle eventhough she lost.
It's weird that Katara ends the season with saying she's her own master, implying that she doesn't/didn't need anyone else's help or teaching, and in the next moment she almost cries while telling Koi-monster-Aang that she needs him. Like, for what? Your personal goal is already achieved. Also, while Katara seems to be pretty fine doing most things on her own, Aang constantly talks about how he needs his friends and is basically nothing without them. Those are some really contrary messages there...
Great analysis btw!! 👏👏 Loved the Nami comparison! I had tears in my eyes as well 🥲🍊
isn't her journey her training Aang to become the avatar and the live action show still preserves the emotional bond between aang and katara. You are taken this scene out of context when it is katara pleading for Aang to come back from his avatar state and he does not need to lose his humanity
@@kafukwamekemeh That's how it should be, yes! But in the live action, I have to admit, I didn't really feel any connection between the two of them. She also unfortunately doesn't teach him water bending like in the cartoon series. I loved how he was better than her so quickly and it frustrated her so much; in the live action, he doesn't even try and she doesn't have to try hard to become a master. I think their relationship and personal goals/journeys were portrayed poorly there in the adaptation
the reason why that happened was because the amount of episodes being small compared to the animated show especially season 1 being 23 episodes.
Maybe we will get a timeskip where aang and katara learnt waterbending due to them having the waterbending scroll
But we literally see them connect with each other like them playing in the water in a attempt to teach aang waterbending
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@@kafukwamekemeh That's true, but it's no excuse not to let Aang do any water bending at all in the live action. I really missed that and Katara being his teacher here would have added a lot to their relationship and to their individual growth. Hope they'll fix that in the 2nd season
Typing this comment before i watch the video. Apart from the dialogue problem, i noticed something wrong with Netflix avatar adaptation that isn't talked about at all. They're afraid to make characters unlikeable. They made Aang leave by accident instead of on purpose, Sokka isn't sexist, Zuko not attack Kyoshi village, Katara not steal a water scroll n stuff. I think this video is centric on katara from the title and from rewatching the cartoon, she has issues. She's angry and stubborn and selfish and motherly which is a bit chaotic but makes her feel real. While the real life actor ends up playing it safe and comes off really bland. Im afraid this will affect Toph in the upcoming season but whatever, time to watch the video. Nice job in advance 👍
That’s very true. They were so scared of risking doing something people wouldn’t like that they ended up doing nothing with it
Yeah, like, they completely missed how part of Aang's charm as a character is his childishness and the way that reacts to everything as a 12 year old boy with too much on his shoulders would, and how he grows from that into a more mature and well rounded individual through the series whilst still maintaining a lot of that childish charm.
And katara, people love her for her headstrong nature, her nurturing older sister side, her mischievous streak and righteous fury that let's her overlook the law in favour of what she wants if she deems it necessary. And it's great to watch her grow into a more level-headed individual throughout the show, whilst still maintaining that stubborness, for one cannot tame the tides nor quell a storm, yet water embodies calmness amd quiet, cradling you in its waves as you float along, but ready to lash out and smash you all at a moments notice. And water cares not for the laws of the land, and simply takes and takes, yet it also gives, it provides and nurtures. If I had to point at the perfect embodiment of water a character, it would be katara. In the animation at least.
Amd sokka, I loved how his relationship with the women in the story changed and developed as he grew as a person, and how he let others stand for themselves more as he learned the power of teamwork, and how he grew more into himself as he learnd that bending isn't everything.
And the live action missed so much of that.
@@bethanybrookes8479 I wish your final statement was incorrect…I really do. But sadly, you’re telling the truth and I completely agree.
Maybe they get better writers for season 2……..?…please?
they already are trying to correct the criticisms@@ShinGlassman054
Likewise, OPLA severely downplays Usopp's cowardice, which ruins the big moment of overcoming it in the fight vs Chew.
I'm not sure if the casting is an issue with Avatar. I think it's the directing that's mostly the problem. And the script. When all the actors are underwhelming, (which they are), it's usually a director mucking things up. That and the script sucks, which gives the actors with less experience a lot more difficulty to pull things off.
Not learning waterbending means that he's not ready to learn earthbending. So I guess we don't get Toph.
Anyway, another issue with Katara's arc here is that "she's a natural." Because there are people who have to go through things on their own and struggle because of it. But Katara has no struggle. In the original, she has struggle. But not in the live action. In the live action, she doesn't really learn, she was just always good. So it's not even a single person over coming difficulty narrative. She's a Mary Sue. She's just good.
Well said
tbh they are more like the avatar when they aren’t acting the script just suck
@@Getbacktoworknikait’s very noticeable with Katara’s actress, in the interviews and things of the sort she’s a lot more sassy like Katara. The Netflix show just took away those aspects though which sucks
He will learn waterbending, it's just going to off-screen since season 2 is going to start with time skip.
One thing I need to question in this "I only need myself and no one" is such a flawed thing. For example, if you run a company, you need directors, HR, a CEO, employees, and many more. This means you need people, and you can't say that without these, you have succeeded. You need help and the people who support you help you fight against odds. Not just this alpha wolf loner thing. A friend is someone who listens to you and gives you advice. The one who makes your day good is also an important aspect of life. Not only friends, but also your parents, colleagues. Having people around is a good thing. Also, this director doesn't even make efforts for the actors to do acting, like not even having retakes on scenes. The acting is dull and the characters lack personality and all that. I have my own issues with the live-action "One Piece," but I respect them for making certain scenes look so good.
I actually was thinking this about both Katara and Aang, who experiences this with Bumi. They changed it from Bumi teaching him to him teaching Bumi. Come to think of it, they did it with Suki, too, teaching her mother after years of being surpressed. There's a safety to the "the power was inside you all along" storyline. Like a lot of people have already mentioned, they removed the dislikeability of almost everyone. Even changing Haan to not be a jerk fiance. No one is allowed to have flaws except the bad guys. And all the kid characters have to be wiser than their elders and have a lesson to share. And as someone who was once a kid...it's a lot of crap. It's much more powerful for the characters to learn because all of us need to learn and those moments give the characters a chance to dig deep and come back twice as strong.
The only scene where the live action Avatar got a perfect 10/10 was the Scene at Lu Ten's funeral. The scene evokes the same reaction as in the Leaves from the Vine scene from the cartoon.
I absolutely agree
The reason that scene was bad too is hidden in your comment. It may evoke the same reaction in you, but the scene in the cartoon took place a season later, more to the point a season that was REALLY critical to the development of both Iroh and Zuko. Instead we get that scene in a season not centered on them at all, while they are still antagonists and we don't know the characters as well, and we haven't already heard Iroh sing that song to a little boy. In otherwords, it was not earned at all. It was not payoff to any long standing set up. It was just an easter egg. But music, framing, and acting were all directed to make the audience feel those emotions anyway. In otherwords, it was cheap and amaturish.
To bring up personal opinion, I didn't really like the scene itself either. Zuko was wise and kind beyond his years at a time in his life when he should have been sort of foolish. Yes he is instinctually kind, but that speech just sounded so thouroughly authored. It's meant to be something that sounds from the heart, but ironically of all the dialogue in that scene it was ZUKO's speech that sounded the most prepared. And Iroh's acting/directing was deeply unsatisfying. They were clearly trying to make it seem like he was just repressing his emotions, but that just makes no sense for who Iroh is at that time in his life. This is someone who is so devastated as his son's death that he abandons his millitary duties and completely changes as a person. It's honestly more fitting to not even see him react and just leave it to the imagination.
Which goes to my final point, that including this scene at all was deeply misguided. First of all, it means we probably are not going to get the scene from Ba Sing Se which has AMAZING parallels (e.g. because Ba Sing Se is where he died, because Iroh went there as a humbled traveller and not a conquering general, etc.). Second, it is a CHEAP way to TELL us that Zuko means a lot to Iroh because of this one act, instead of SHOWING us throughout their scenes that they have a strong bond. No one who watched the cartoon would question for a second that Iroh views Zuko as a surrogate son. But since they messed up their relationship so bad and had Iroh act more as a detached advisor in the show, they have to give us this one event to force there to be a reason why Iroh is loyal to him.
Hmmmm... It wasn't as bad as everything else, but saying it was a 10/10 feels like it gets too much credit in my opinion.
Seeing a flashback to a funeral and then getting maid and butler dialogue from random extras to exposit what happened to Iroh made me cringe a little.
Ironically, the best scenes of the Avatar adaptation where the ones that were not in the OG show. Lu Ten's funeral, the scene where Zuko returns to the ship after Iroh tells Jee his backstory, the scene between Iroh and the earth Kingdom soldier, the Kyoshi possession scene. All those were amazing, but they failed to adapt properly all the actual stuff from the original show.
@@Nissim1795finally someone who explains exactly how I feel about that scene. Sure, it's meant to be emotional but it felt plastic to me. A show doesn't need to push something in your face as emotional, it has to make you feel this and this was just to trying to force me to feel things.
I don't know why they have to harp on the fact that Zuko and Iroh love each other every scene they're in. They're gonna ruin the emotional payoff in the later seasons but who knows? Maybe they'll find a way.
I honestly wish I can like NATLA the way some ppl do and maybe if I've never watched ATLA or seen a decent show in my life, I might have
Saying "You only need yourself," lets not forget, is technically a villain plot. The villians often times in shows and movies want all the power and consider others, like the heroes, weak for needing somebody else.
I feel like the original avatar could’ve been translated to live action VERY well, the humor is never over the top, and they never use animation to make something funny. Avatar is so funny because the characters are genuinely just hilarious. It’s in the banter, and for some reason they removed all that group banter the characters had and made the three completely dull for no reason.
I knew from the day i heard that Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko leave this project coz of creativity decision... They f***ed up...
nami's "help me" scene is amazing regardless of version, but something about the live action just hits different. If i had to place it, the deciding factor is likely the difference between the source's "silent" but supportive wait for the ask to become vocalized, and the live action's resolute refusing of her attempts to push away. All of the "you dont know what is going on" accusations are a clear attempt to push them away, and luffy agreeing matter-of-factly comes with the subtext of "so what?" Luffy being part of the "conversation" just results in building the hype. The scene is spelling out the resolution from the first moment, but they dont linger on that buildup any longer than it needed. It doesnt matter if you are experienced with the source or not, the scene is doing everything in its power to tell the audience "you are about to cheer louder than you ever have before" and then follows through on the promise. Even comparing the source to the live action, a subtle change to luffy's character is the key to the difference in impact. Early one piece luffy was very thick-headed. He knew what was going on when it mattered most, but in daily life he let things fly over his head. With that, we cant quite tell if luffy fully processes that nami is trying to push him away, or if he simply sees her emotional need and ignores the words she is saying until getting the clear. The live action meanwhile shows luffy to be a bit more intellegent overall. He is care-free, but isnt thick-headed, and generally understands things that the source would have to re-explain or repeat verbatim to get him to process it, even if he doesnt understand it. Source: luffy sees nami in trouble and waits until he is asked for help so as not to rob her of her agency. Live action: nami needs help and luffy will not leave until he can give it. He doesnt push her to ask, but he refuses to leave her alone until she does. He knows he is meddling, but he knows he needs to. It almost sounds like live action is "trying to rob her of her agency", but it is clear he isnt, since he only refuses to leave, not pushes to be asked.
luffy's emotional intelligence is insane
The ambiguity of is Luffy just being dumb rn or... is very intentional and I actually like it, it makes his "dumbness" consistent, makes what he says afterwards contrast that seemingly dumb demeanor much harder when you get that he was actually emotionally intelligent in that moment, and Oda said before that he makes Luffy nigh perpetually dumb and silly to make the scenes a little lighter. He was still writing a story for kids after all, and he was afraid that without such a gag character in the middle of the entire story, it would all feel too dark and heavy. I feel like Oda intentionally made Luffy's intelligence ambiguous there because he wants to say that Luffy is dumb, but wise, so maybe the LA making him more serious, silent, and smart cuts a bit away at that dichotomy (though I wouldn't know for sure if it does because I haven't watched the LA yet).
@@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache cuts away from the impact in LA? No, i can say that confidently. The LA just handles everything slightly differently. Part of it is the restriction of the medium, but the crew is slightly more mature in LA than the anime, but not so far removed that it isnt authentic. Nah if i had to put it into words, Luffy is still just as carefree as always, but he is much closer to time skip intelligence than east blue saga- not all the way, but enough sense about him to know when a situation calls for a fist instead of taking hits his rubber powers would protect him from. He is still "dumb", but only with an uncrushable optimism, not to the point he misunderstands hostility, but a level of confidence in his abilities that lets him be just care-free enough in dangerous situations to still feel like luffy without directly endangering his crew due to his own ignorance (yes, he still endangers his crew, but in a distinctly clear "i got this" sort of way where you know there is no long-term threat of injury for anyone involved).
8:53 bro … 😭
… it hurts my heart that AVATAR missed the mark at all.
They’ve introduced so many shortcuts through the story that it resembles a Scooby-Doo Chase Scene 🤦
One Piece is an astonishing achievement in comparison.
PS - your avatar animation is fun and legible 👏 frenetic and vital 👏
Here’s hoping they can turn it around for the next couple seasons 🤞
it only got its renewal because people want to see Toph in live action, mess her up and it's game over.
the irony is that Katarra scene, don't forget she lost that fight. so not needed a master didn't quite work out for her.
The statement: "all I need is myself" should be exclusive to villains
Now this is a really good take and insifghtful
Being able to rely on others is a skill a lot of people (especially males) struggle with and already causes lot's of problems in society
It reminds us of that time we all wanted a house got denied such unnecessary things like employing a professional to build it, zoning permits... Etc.
Then built it ourselves anyways only to get a barely functional shack that burned down by the time we got released from jail for ignoring all those regulations and building on somebody else's property... Self reliance is the best😅😂😅.
Kitara is my favorite character from the original. Two tries and they ruined her both times. I don't blame the actress - terrible directing and a bad script.
Katara is my favourite too. So sad what they’ve done to her.
"It's just a kids show" is a poor reason for anything. One piece is also "just a kids show" and it can comment on any issue it deems important. The animated show is also CLEARLY not intended for children, so I just can't see the "its just a really really good kids show" as serious critique?
true, I don't see avatar as "a kid's show" and more like "a show that kids can watch too"
Kids who watched the animated show first will not get the "I don't need anyone else" mentality
my wife said they also ruin Bumi. hes not suppose to be a salty person.
True !!
OPLA got sooooo many people into the original story *raises hand*
It takes a strong person to also ask for help.
I think that the people on The Last Airbender show the live-action one have such a skewed way of viewing characters , they think that a character should not have flaws and it's a good character if they don't rely on anyone else and that they can do it all themselves without any flaws and they don't really have any character building moments , I think this also mirrors the same thing that they did to sokka when they removed that he was sexist in the beginning and mirroring the same attitude that the southern water tribe had Showing that this mindset was ingrained in the water tribe in both of them whether it was more in the southern one or not It was great character in World building that I think that the live action one can't really see that well , anyways this was a great video keep it up 👍
Exactly. And this is just one of many problems in the live action.
Long live OPLA
amazing video. Animation, editing, knowledge. I like your unbiased opinion too, just facts. I had to do a double-take at your subscriber count (not that it matters much), surprised you weren't in the 10s of thousands, but this is a real quality video. I hope it reaches the people that need it most. Best of luck and keep going!
Many thanks 🙏
The message of only relying on yourself goes against Iroh's teachings in Book 2. If you take wisdom from one place, it becomes rigid and stale. But if you draw from other places, the other nations, you become stronger.
A paraphrase, but even so. You can't rely on your own wisdom, but on others as well.
Netflix: we will make shit adaptations, we will make one piece live action and finally... we will continue making shit adaptations
Opla >>>>>>>>> atlala
I guess if they gonna play safe, we gonna have no blind jokes next season.
I sort of disagree with your statement about the cartoon being a show for children. I think of it the same way as the creator of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic said about her thought process when making that. She knew parents were going to be forced to watch with their children and so she wanted to make a show for adults that was suitable for children which in my opinion is why both MLP and AtLA was so successful.
With OPLA the only thing i can say is in my opinion, they just need to polish the fighting just a touch in some parts look clumsy but anything else 🤌🏽 sanjis kiss
I mean they'll have plenty of seasons to evolve the fighting till it's flawless
@riddlerosehearts8277 yes i gree but im not saying like the full fight they where interesting and i know luffy power are literally ridiculous i understand i just mean if you see the guy that shanks threw in the log look clumsy those are the things i just want to polish a tiny bit obiesly with the care of actors maybe or maybe im wrong idk i love it tho.
@@gbd.fluffguy2743 Oh I understand, it would be nice to see some fights get polished up abit
Ah yes, strong independent woman who "don't need no man".
Kinda reminds me of the Captain Marvel movie, where in the end it is revealed that she never needed the training she was being given at the start, actually the people who trained her were holding her true powers back and all she needed was to believe she was strong.....
I think you have actually helped me find a way to play through baldurs gate with this video.
Every time, I said I wouldn't cry😢😢
Shin: They are respectful with the characters
Shanks backstory: Am I a joke to you ?
They are not going to fix nothing... This Is what they want.
a really, really good video. but i just have to tell you, as hopefully constructive criticism, that its hard to listen to your narration sometimes because somehow, the audio seems to be super bass-boosted/gain-boosted? at least when i dont use headphones and have the video playing over my speakers. the clips of one piece and avatar dont have that problem... i dont exactly know what would do this, but maybe you can check if thats something thats actually happening? it could be that its my bad somehow, but i dont think so as no other video im watching sounds like that.
but apart from that, like i said, this is a really well-made video! good editing, interesting visuals, im impressed :D
I'm not particularly a fan of Avatar (I watched it once twenty years ago...) and no doubt have forgotten way too many details as I never bothered with the movie nor checked this live action, but I think One Piece and it have one thing in common that they simultaneously have as something that divides them.
Some of the Strawhats most defining character moments are those when they come to the mutual understanding that yes, they are utterly outclassed by their enemy and need one of their friends to protect them, but when push comes to shove, they are able to do things those stronger people cannot. Nami can navigate and read the weather, which none of them can do. The resident sniper manages to make a different during crucial moments on the Bridge of Hesitation and when stopping Luffy from losing a battle before he even sees it coming in Dressrosa, which are things nobody else could have done. Robin can read the Poneglyphs and knows things about history as well as the world at large that none of the others give a damn about, and it makes a difference. It goes on and on: all of them have to rely on the others at some point along the way, and it matters. No matter how crazily influential and powerful Luffy becomes, he has never been a Superman who can do everything.
For Avatar, the entire world concept embraces this same concept with its clear separation between air, water, earth and fire. It is about the loss of balance and harmony while one faction tries to gobble up all of the worlds authority. Aang, as the Avatar, is supposed to learn about all the elements and fix all this crud. So far so good: it involves meeting new people with different viewpoints and experiences, and relying on them to accomplish a shared goal. But at the same time, this is where the problem is at: Aang is basically meant to become everything at once. This clashes with the former aim of working together, because eventually he can do everything they can do.
I suspect this subtle conflict is one of many factors that makes the adaptations go astray from the original strengths. It encourages pidgeonholing: he is the hero and the others are the supporting cast. Supporting cast doesn't need too much complexity; they just need to be there to fulfill their roles to empower the hero, be it as an ally or as an antagonist. Their growth is very clearly secondary.
For One Piece, Luffy may be the face of the series, but I wouldn't consider any of the Strawhats to be supporting cast. Rather, they are fellow protagonists... although that's somewhat incorrect, since One Piece has long since shown itself to be a story about the world of One Piece with the Strawhats merely being a very likable perspective to tell that story through. It is a world where everyone can make a difference as long as they have a dream, and it is that kind of soul that most modern media lack. Someone is either a lead character, supporting cast, or an outright meaningless extra.
I hope for the ATLA community that the future seasons will be incredible. As a OPLA appreciator, I'm outright jealous of the quality of the CGI in those few scenes I saw in this video. I hope One Piece will get similarly impressive CGI for similar elementally-themed fights when they show up in future seasons!
i love the video but the music is a bit too loud at times and it's hard for me to hear you speak, thank you! 😭🙏
The Katara scene you are talking about really hurt my soul. To make her so arrogant...
I suppose instead of the expected sexism storyline it is possible they want to focus more on Katara throwing away her childhood by trying to grow up too fast; it does come to blow later when she learns she's the reason Sokka no longer remembers what his mother looks like as Katara took over that role and breaking her heart.
This video slaps, so well put together from start to finish 🙏
Thanks for the enthusiasm🙏
oh wow your voice is really bassy in this, i had to turn down my low range almost completely so you wouldn't sound like talking through a wall or pillow
The new “the one piece” they are writing is for the story’s beginning to make it easier to understand while possibly being much shorter so lets see what happens until then
One piece LA>>>>>>>>>>>Avatar which was just okay show not better than the original and never will b lol same applies to One piece wit the manga and anime
I just want to push back a little on people saying the study is responsible for everything wrong with the Avatar remake; you can't say that AND say "the one piece remake was amazing and the showrunners respected the original creator" in the same video. I mean...same studio, right?
They mistake Katara with Toph. Toph doesn't need anyone to be the GOAT of earthbending. So they make Katara the same as well.
Long story short they woke-afi Netflix's avatar.
I heard how Avatar live action ended up being woke... girlboss that needs no training... that's trash and exactly what Marvel/Disney has been doing for years and why nobody likes that trash anymore.
i didnt like that nami walked to arlong park with everyone i think hitting the braking point and being allowed to cry is so important and shows true strength being able to walk over on your own ready to make a change and im not saying that as a op fan seeing how fast she moved on felt unnatural
and this is more nit picky for me because i can see this being a typical trop but making it so no one in the village knew watered down the impact of her sacrifice for everyone involved but i get it they just didnt have the time to show case it
Avatar was a good cartoon show. Characters were great, well written and have some depth! One Piece is amazing, powerful, realistic if it comes to the characters in the anime. The difference is, that on One Piece Oda-sensei working with/ for the life adaptation with the cast and crew. And that the crew respect the work of Oda-sensei and respect HIM for HIS creation!
Avatar on the other side....well, life adaptation is predictable. At the beginning the creators have some difference and left the show?!?! So no great suprise that Hollywood/ Netflix destroys the legacy of the characters like Soka or Katara. They have to SEND the MESSAGE! As said, predictable, lame, boring, not worth seeing!
Only have to feel sorry for the real fans, cuz here they got their disappointment like ALL the others if it comes to Hollywood entertainment in the last 7-9 years!
They keep butchering my favorite series :(
While you're right, alot of the logic you bring up kills your point. Your outlook is pretty good, but it's a fire fed by twisted mindsets. Study some other philosophies outside of just the modern. Understand the past, understand humanity, so you can think more for yourself.
Avatar animation is good live action was mid
The execution of the exposition in S1 was the biggest thing to take me out of Avatar. Hopefully, bc S1 covers most of the main stuff that sets the story, the writers can dial it back a lot to let the story do a lot more showing than telling for the last 2 seasons.
One of the biggest problems in Avatar live action for me was acting. I was okay with Zuko and Sokka and in love with Iroh and Ozai but Aang and Katara wasn't there in my eyes. I think it's probably cause they are too young and I can see them being better at it during the next seasons.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I don't think Netflix Avatar is bad. Heck I wouldn't even dare to say Netflix One Piece is better. Simply because OPLA has a ton of flawes nobody talks about, while Avatar LA has done some stuff astonishingly good. Both came up with new scenes, changed stuff and sometimes even left out crucial character-developement stuff.
Just to come up with negatives of OPLA:
-Usopp had almost no shining moment. Syrup Village should have been about him, but it was split between the crew in the mansion and Zoros flashbacks, no big focus on liar Usopp. His lies became a backdrop quickly.
-Speaking of Zoro. WTF was that well-scene? I mean, yeah the flashback was necessary, but not at this point in the story?!?! And speaking of the flashback. This flashback had also some odd changes. The anime already changed the implied context slightly, the LA did aswell by shifting the tone of Kuinas end.
-Namis flashback and her relationship to her hometown was turned around, which took away a big impact. In the manga, she had the back of her whole village, they trusted her, eventho she didn't know. In the LA she "earned their trust back" and then just leaves.
-Garp meeting Luffy so early doesn't sit well. Sure you could ignore the impact it should have had on the crew (it's different to start your journey following someone you don't know anything about compared to starting your journey following someone who is related to an enemy. Meeting Garp post-Enies Lobby was such an impact, because Luffy already announced his "war against the World Government".), but it doesn't fit that Garp would follow Luffy around eventho he only goes after big-dogs. Garp in the manga also rarely leaves the Grandline. [But I still think having the Corby, Helmeppo and Garp cover-stories in the LA is awesome]
-Sanji didn't get to gracefully portray his stance that everyone deserves to eat. Was it part of the LA? Yes. Was ist done good? Oh hell nah. They just brushed over it, like it was a meaningless scene. Sanji in the LA did show he is a phenomenal cook, but he didn't really show how meaningfull "being allowed to eat" is for him.
-And they took away the more fantastical elements of 2 of the crewmembers, (Usopps nose, Sanjis curly eyebrows) eventho there are a ton of characters in the show that are fantastical (Merry and Captain Nezumi as example). Statements about the changes to Sanji and Usopp were "to make the show more grounded in reality", but this was clearly just a choice for the poster-characters that have to lure in a new audience, otherwise they wouldn't even bother to make Merry or Nezumi more manga-accurate.
And I'm sure there is more but I don't want it to seem like I dislike OPLA. I damn love what they did and I hope they do a better job with S2.
Avatar LA has the same chances. Made some mistakes (even less than OPLA) and has a lot of potential to grow.
On a sidenote. I don't get why some people say Sokka is sexist in the animated show. He's ignorant, sure. And he had learned a specific view when it comes to the roles of males and females because of his tribe. But sexist? I feel like I have seen a different show multiple times, because he never was sexist in the animated show I have seen. He was petty at times. He looked down on people and underestimated them or overestimated himself (he did this to Aang aswell, which is why I'm so frikkin confused). He was never good at assessing a situation until he learned it throughout all 3 books. And I feel like the LA did it very well humbling him (especially in the scene with Suki, eventho she herself came rather short). AND the LA even gave him a good reasoning with the role he had in the tribe.
Heck the only big complaint I have about Avatar LA is, that there is not enough room to breath. Did we have some comical moments? Yes, but even the animated show put the more comical scenes in the breaks between the rather serious situations. The LA did not have such breaks, except for between episodes lol. When the characters where drifting away from their goal, it wasn't because they simply wanted to relax and have a timeout, but because they had to do something serious on the way. This definitely impacted the "bond growth" we as viewers could have experienced. Maybe this is even the major part of why people say Avatar LA sucks but OP LA is phenomenal. Simply the parts that are not the silver lining of the story. Like Luffy and his crew getting to Baratie to eat. Does it lead to the next adventure? Yes, but they didn't go there to recruit Sanji or to encounter Mihawk, they just went there to chill and eat. Simple. It works. No greater adventure in mind at the moment. Avatar LA didn't have such scenes. Every step they made had some bigger more serious reason.
And this problem has nothing to do with the source being a "childrens show". Take the MCU as example. Some of their best films allow themself to have a looser focus, implementing some more or less unimportant story-portions. Age of Ultron as example. Chilling around, trying to lift Mjölnir, all that. Did it lead to the next narrative crucial step? Yes. But the group didn't plan ahead "Yeah we have to wait here so that Ultron wakes up and starts to threat humanity!".
And I think this is what OP LA definitely did better in parts than Avatar LA.... in parts. Syrup Village was still a mess.
Room to breath.
All in all, both these LA shows did a great job. Atleast it's not Cowboy Bebop, which Netflix did absolutely butcher... If it wasn't for the visuals and names, I wouldn't have recognized it as an adaptation...
Then You must not be familiar with adaptations. Not every little nitpick is going to be shot for shot, word for word, or scene for scene. If you are already comparing to each shows counterpart such as the One Piece anime/manga or ATLA cartoon, it's going to be a downhill battle regardless. Especially when they are given a budget of 8 episodes to get their point across. Plus. you only listed minor nitpicks with the One Piece LA, and only how it's DIFFERENT to the original source material in the anime/manga, not how it's worse or whether it ruins the series completely. ? The point i'm making is that you gotta remember adaptations aren't going to be carbon copied straight onto their live action counterpart. Thats what makes it an adaptation. Your saying the One Piece LA doesn't do a good job of showcasing the finer points that are inspired by the original series. When instead you should be saying. Hmmm okay its being told in a different way to the original , but is it bad or just different ?
@@nizzanator You definitely misunderstood what I was saying. I was pointing out those mistakes, in favor of ATLALA, not to say OPLA is bad. I wanted to point towards the bad habit of people only comparing the best parts of OPLA with the worst parts of other shows, while, as you said, changes are to be expected.
Nonetheless, seeing problems in the way something was adapted is fine.
Bro, I was so hoping they weren't going the woke route after I saw *NO* sexism from Sokka and I was sorely disappointed and they made it worse by Katara getting other female waterbenders like *BRUH* like I'm all for women empowerment but forcing wokeness isn't it.
Nothing about this was woke or feminist. It was demeaning. They toke the sexist out of Sokkas character and put it in the way they wrote all their female characters except for Azula Mai and Ty Lee😭. Look at the interaction between Sokka and Suki and tell me a feminist would have preferred that over the original?
@@larynadams1127 What're you talking about?? It was woke, LOL. How do you explain Katara being her own master or having the women join the fighting?? That's woke, lol.
@vailingbow1068 Nothing about this was socially conscious. If anything, it was the opposite.
@@larynadams1127 Doncha know? Woke just means "bad thing that I didn't like"
It's less woke to not use sexict sokka or katara not getting a master.
People need to chill out, Avatar cast is younger while One Piece is older and have more experience. I think it's only about the fandom, One Piece fans loves the live action even it have many flaw while the Avatar fandom is toxic and probably have trauma due to the movie.
Ya know, it's not about the actors. The problem, in my opinion, is just the writing of the characters, plot and dialogue which is pretty bad. They took the soul out of every character from the Gaang and that is a big problem for me
No it's because the Avatar one is so bad the creators jumped ship, and the show is basically rejecting Sokka's book 1 character arc for...ironically, typical sexist writing. Before you grab your pitchfork, I mean specifically just the writers throwing women at Sokka's feet to tell him what a special guy he is...that's no longer a character, that's self aggrandizing. Suki went from a person dismantling Sokka's bullshit life views, into another trophy which exists purely to like him. This happened because they did not want the sexism analyzed, while they wanted to stick to the canonical pairing. All it ends up doing is make Suki look down bad.
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The one piece la is just as bad as the avatar la, but nobody talks about that. I despise what the one piece la did to the characters and story themes.
no one talks about it because you're literally wrong lmao. there are definitely some things in the one piece live action that are off, but not remotely as much as this
yeah clearly biases from u@@MalkuthSephira
I agree I didn’t like how character personalities were off or completely changed in the LA (I do still love the LA, I just have a few issues with choices).
Zoro is too stoic and too interested in money, plus he calls himself a bounty hunter.
Nami is too serious and anti money (opposite of her character)
Usopp got turned into a side character with all his character moments taken away after his arc was given to other characters to shine
Luffy cares too much about being a good pirate (when the original didn’t care and did what he wanted. Remember, Luffy doesn’t want to be a hero).
Sanji I like that they removed the perv gag, but like Usopp they cut a lot of what made Sanji. The reason he didn’t want to leave, his reaction to Zoro’s fight, his anger at wasted food, and his general anger issues.
Its good just check imb and rotten tomatoes stats 😅 stats speaks for itself even the critics
@@Rika24 Here's the shock for you if you think they remove the perv gag for Sanji... They didn't. THAT'S East Blue Sanji! Suave, elegant, gentlemanly, and without the fawning part. Sanji only really gets unhinged when the GIRL shows interest first or when he spends a lot of time with them (Nami and Robin) prior to timeskip. He only gets this perverted streak so obviously in Thriller Bark and it was against another pervert where he got carried away and speak out what's in his heart. You might not like it, but it was realistic. We, as humans, do have our own selfish desire and it just so happened Sanji said it out loud to a perverted enemy that his dream was to see women's bath.
I'm a woman, a girl when that chap came out, and I laughed (still laughed) at that scene. Imagine it as boys' talk that they will never do in front of the girls, just as us girls have our own talk that we won't do in front of the boys. After that, Sanji GOT WORSE after spending two years in an island full of okama with no real girl in sight. Can you imagine a women-lover trapped for TWO WHOLE years in an island of transvestite who tried everyday to brainwash him to be one of them or to s3xually harass/assault him??? Not to mention they SUCCEEDED for a brief moment and made Sanji wore a dress, make-up, and acted like a sissy (which we're later shown to be a part of Sanji's legit trauma). Honestly, although the guy can be unbearable after that, I give him a pass, not to mention the crew also punished him when he's unhinged like that. Even the so-called 'creepy' action of sneaking into the bath in Wano is not entirely problematic. REMEMBER, Nami and Robin were in co-ed bath, which has BOTH men and women bathing in it, essentially consenting to be seen by men too while they bath. Sanji was just being goofy by sneaking in with his invisible suit and he was PUNISHED for it too in the form of Nami yelling and hitting him afterwards. I'm so bamboozled just how many OP's female tourists got so insanely offended by it. Like, girls, it was co-ed bath, Sanji could just essentially and legally saunter in, he just didn't because he wanted to be goofy, you know, like Garp consciously choosing to break a wall instead of using DOORS like a normal human being? Because he just wanted to be goofy.
Being a pervert is Sanji's character flaw, just like everyone is flawed in SHP. Luffy is dumb and reckless, Zoro doesn't have a sense of direction and won't listen half of the time (except when you're Luffy, in that case he'll 100% listen), Nami is greedy and vain, Usopp is a coward (he fixed this somewhat later on after Enies Lobby) and easily panic, Chopper is panicky and too naive, Franky is an exhibitionist, Brook is a lonely pervert and is only bones, Jinbei we haven't seen much yet. Seriously, the only one in SHP without apparent flaws is Robin. Naturally, Sanji MUST have flaws too, why are y'all complaining???