Is The Most HATED Trans Woman Really Hurting The Trans Community??
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- I know a lot of people in the last month have been talking about Lily Tino and I thought why not talk about her. I think it's important to have this kind of conversations in the trans and nonbinary communities and it really is unfortunate we are still at a point where if one trans person does something it reflex on the whole community. Does that mean she deserves all the transphobia she has gotten...NO. Transphobia is never called for but I do think it's important if we see someone in the community doing something we don't like to let them know in a respectful way. Also if I see any transphobic comments under this video I will be deleting them. Be sure to let me know what you think in the comments below!
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ngl i feel like her stuff is just ragebait
Oh definitely!
i agree with violet so much, it feels like tino is intentionally provoking ppl to hurt trans communities for clout as she knows it's the fastest and easiest way to blow up. it shows that she cares more abt her audience reach rather than the group that her content is abt. sad, rlly
@@yoshiplasma For real, she attracts the hatewatchers as a constant audience, and has constant engagement under her posts as progressive people feel the need to defend her at all costs.
@@yoshiplasma I think shes just an old idiot that makes ragebait and misinformation on accident
@@yoshiplasmaYou don’t think he’s targeting low-paid service workers, as opposed to the trans community?
I feel like what she’s doing is a good thing, but the way she’s going about it is the problem. Talking about things like bottom surgery can be helpful for people who aren’t as educated, but the way she’s went about it, talking about it at Disney, is the problem. She’s accidentally giving the conservatives videos they can take and twist to show their thinking is right. She doesn’t need to stop doing what she’s doing, she just needs to change how’s she’s doing it
Tbh she could do videos like in her living room about trans stuff
Honestly this^
You mean cake pops??
Even "bottom surgery" ..
Mutilation of genitals and formed into a facsimile of the opposite genitals.. leading to many 'complications' ..translate " broken cake pops "..
But ' bottom surgery ' is much better for lying to children.
I think lilly is bang on. This is exactly how the community acts.
Affirm my delusions or be a nazi bigot.
Conservatives are gonna oppress trans people either way. Stop blaming trans people for our own oppression.
I'm not so sure I buy "accidentally"
First of all, I will never agree with the idea that marginalized communities are to blame for their own marginalization. Trans people can participate in the systems that marginalize us, but we do not bear the responsibility for the whole of transphobia, nor should we prioritize being palatable to cis people.
BUT. I also agree 100% with everything that Samantha and Violet said. We are still accountable for our own behavior and Lilly is obviously not using her influence to make things any easier for us.
I long for the day when trans creators can be cringe and annoying and even inappropriate and not have it be a huge fucking deal, bc we are human and humans are allowed to be all those things. But that's just not the climate we live in right now. 😐
I wouldn´t date a trans woman.
I feel very conflicted on this, on the one hand I understand why people might see what she's making, the reactions from transphobes and think 'She's causing harm to our community', however the idea that a person in our community is 'making us look bad' so they should stop, really doesn't sit right with me. we can criticise someone for the way they interact with a service worker, or how she copies another creators videos, but to sort of blame her for the way some transphobes will treat us starts to veer into respectability politics in a way I think can be harmful. I think I agree completely with Samantha Lux on this. If Lily stopped making content tomorrow I don't think it would improve anything for us, transphobes will continue to call us groomers, and advocate for/pass laws that make our lives harder, it's those people who are harming our community.
I agree
I think that is a fair point. It does still scare me. I'm not going to point to her and blame all bad things on her, but I do wish she would think about her content before posting. We are not a monolith and that goes for any marginalized group. But I do think that to an extent each person within a group bears some responsibility to others in their community. I feel similarly torn. I guess ultimately, I just hope she sees the feedback about how the community feels about it, but I wouldn't really go any further than that. It's kind of like Caitlyn Jenner, still valid for her identity, I won't disrespect that but she is also actively trying to harm the community, so I hold her responsible for that, but not the whole alt right movement.
This. Nonbinary people were the big "they make us look bad and put our social standing in danger" thing right when I was first figuring out being nonbinary. Know what the harassment from other trans people lead to? A decade of intense and painful denial. I could have had a chance to work things out and change some things at the start of puberty. Instead I had to work everything out in my mid 20's and figure out how the hell I'm ever going to be able to afford top surgery, being disabled and having a minimal work capacity, because binding is not an option at my chest size.
This sort of internal policing based on rhetoric from terfs and people who want us all closeted or dead, trying to get centrists who think it's an equally valid view to like us more, etc will not save us. They will always move the goalposts for what is acceptably queer until none of us are. Policing our own like this has never and will never get people to allow us our rights, but it will absolutely hurt and damage people in our own communities.
@@thatboringone7851 yep
@@CassieTirel I agree
I totally agree with your assessment, it is not so much the topics that Lily talks about that rub people the wrong way, but how she says it and where she is when she says it.
Love you content, keep up the good work.
Thank you so much!
I think playing into respectability politics doesn't help us, however, I do think some of the locations and styles she chooses to present some topics are just kinda of inappropriate and kind of rage baity.
Also, please don't abuse service workers, misgendering sucks ass, but 99% of the time, if you correct them, they'll respect it, at least from personal experience. Getting managers involved in usually unnecessary.
Exactly. If they’re harassing you you due to your trans identity, then yeah, of course you should report that or leave. But like you said, people will just be respectful and correct themselves so there is no need to put so much stress on the workers 💀
Samantha's statement was mic drop. Which is weird because this creator's stance seems to contradict it. Allowing one person's actions to shape your view of an entire community is prejudice (in this case, transphobia), whether you are are in that community or not. I don't like Lilly's content but you know what actually makes trans people look bad? Being happy and alive. Let trans women be cringe.
100% this.
I wouldn´t date a trans woman.
I understand both sides. I am a trans guy ftm and I personally hate being misgendered but it’s not ok to start problems with people. I don’t hate Lilly I feel she is struggling and I don’t think she has any bad intentions at all but she doesn’t handle things properly unfortunately
Why fo you hate being misgendered? Why are others peoples views of you do important.
You do realise irrespective of trans. Some people don't like you or respect you. . That's life
Also misgendering I's not peoples fault.. most times they are saying what they see.
@mskerrykemp as a trans guy, most trans people do not get mad when you Misgender them, if it's an honest mistake. However we naturally DO like to be perceived as what we are, so yes, we do care when people are misgendering us on purpose. I mean, I'm sure you'd care if you got misgendered, right? Same for a trans person! Hope this cleared things up /gen
also, I think people should be respected, regardless of whether you like them or not. I could hate somebody with a burning passion, and still show them some respect and basic manners. It would be bizarre for you to misgender a cis person right? So it's as equally bizarre to misgender a trans person just because you don't want to be polite that day, regardless of your views.
I've heard from another UA-camr that her behavior is that of a baby trans when being misgendered. I don't really like that term and I prefer to think she gets more views when she's over the top. I do think she could benefit from vocal training. She just seems petty bourgeois and is able to throw money at her issues. Vocal training being something you can't just pay for.
@@mskerrykempwould you hate it if someone constantly called you the wrong gender every day while everyone else around you gets gendered properly
Hi! I just wanted to propose a video idea on this trans guy called Marcus Dib. (*trigger warning his youtube user is a transphobic slur*) He's quite the character... But i've not seen a video on him/debunking him to my surprise, despite him being a pretty popular UA-camr, and claiming some wild stuff like asexuals not existing. Just an idea if you wanted one! I love your content, it helps me breathe in this world of hatred
Is his name offensive tr**ny. Cause if so he literally made a video about me like two years ago and I've wanted to make a reaction but I don't want him coming at me more😅
@@lynnsaga1397yeah... that's him. I get it tho, he has some pretty big conservative audience, so i completely get it if you don't want to talk about him 😅
@@kiyoinaa Marcus and Lynn are both women who dislike being women. Asexuality surely exists. It’s just not a persecuted sexual orientation, as asexual people have never been rounded up and put in concentration camps, or jailed, or beaten, or banned from church, or fired from jobs, simply because they don’t enjoy partaking in sexual activity.
God forbid women ever do anything without being scrutinized by thousands of people online...
We REALLY need to focus on fighting actual transphobia instead of endlessly attacking someone for something as mundane as wearing a similar outfit to a content creator for kids.
Transphobes will not respect us even if we shun everyone in our community who is "bad optics" or "cringe" or makes a mistake
@@chloefischer8153 Exactly
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this needs to be plastered on a billboard istg, mfs are complaining about lily when trans ppl are literally suffering in the streets
Sure, but some people do make the trans community look bad and give the transphobes ammunition and clout with normal people sometimes
Trans woman are not woman. Trans woman are man. You are a man.
I agree with Lily on some things, and disagree with her on others. Yes, you should correct people, including people in the service industry, when they misgender you. There's nothing wrong with that as long as you're just trying to educate and course-correct them and it make it easier for them to interact with other trans people in the future, and not just to make their job harder or punch down on them.
No, I don't think you should be talking about bottom surgery at Disneyland or impersonating a children's UA-camr. Although, I'm against children's UA-camrs in general. That whole demographic shouldn't even exist, IMO. Honestly, I think kids shouldn't even be allowed on the internet until they themselves can think critically about what content they assume. Something which most adults can't even do.
But I do _somewhat_ agree with Lily on the statement that Kurt Cobain was trans. I don't think he was a trans woman, or secretly wanted to be a trans woman. Well, _maybe_ the latter. But he was undoubtedly genderqueer or genderfluid. He wore women's clothes! He talked about wanting breasts! These are recorded facts! Also, the trans woman who runs trans support group has said that she knew him, and partied with him, and is 100% certain that he was at the very least part of the queer community, both in sexuality and gender. He simply did not have the words to express what he was feeling back then. Not to mention the cultural support to come out. If we can look back centuries and claim that some Roman emperor was a trans woman, why not some obviously genderqueer person from 30 years ago?
Idk 30 years ago isn’t that long and they died by suicide. I understand what you mean, but it doesn’t seem appropriate to be making content out of saying they were probably trans when that is not something they themselves publicly identified as.
anyone is allowed to talk about anything, but it will get the reaction of many people calling it distasteful.
okay for real though, people who don't like trans women don't actually need a cringe woman to point at in order to hate us
I don´t like trans woman.
I love the way you explain things and put them into perspective. I do agree with your thoughts on this topic. Thank you and love your videos :)
Please realize, Lilly is a troll that works with all of those right wing content creators. Lilly makes the rage bait for Blair and Ariella to “react to.” It is not authentic content.
I will look at the situation I am in: Will I be interacting with this person much in the future? No? I won't even bother to correct them 99% of the time.
You are a man.
I thought the most hated Trans Woman was Blaire White?
nah, she’s a w
Wait what’s wrong with trans men? I’m a trans masc person and have multiple friends who are trans masc/trans men and they’re all super cool and inclusive? (This is a genuine question)
I just had someone else comment this I said transmeds but I don't think I enunciated clearly 😭😭😭
@@lynnsaga1397 ohhhhh
Sorry! I couldn’t hear it properly and I turned on captions to double check and it said men, my bad!
My trans friends I knew back in the 80’s would feel very accepted today, but would also be infuriated by the way some people who call themselves trans are ruining it for the rest of truly trans people. Maybe if waiters & waitresses are misgendering you, maybe save some more $$ to appear as a woman. Maybe they just can’t afford to transition fully, so they need to accept some responsibility for the confusion. Not to mention all the faux trans out there.
I actually unfollowed Lilly on everything recently. I initially gave them a lot of the benefit of the doubt. She lives in San Francisco, a city which prides itself on being pro-LGBTQ+ & progressive. As someone who lived there for a year, experiencing transphobia there is jarring because it catches you off guard. I didn’t think it was my place to tone police how she responded to it. But I just found out about her using a slur, doing blackface in the past, & current sexual harassment allegations along with her talking about gender affirming surgery at a kids park. I live in the buckle of the Bible Belt now & having someone get so much attention for truly unsettling things really can do harm to the trans community. I don’t want anything to do with her & I don’t blame anyone else who doesn’t either.
I love your videos!
Thank you so much! I wasn't sure about this one but honestly I'm pretty happy with how it turned out
@@lynnsaga1397 thank you so much for answering!Also congrats on 30k subs!
I agree with you and Violet.
Keep up the good work, Lynn!
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The problem is that if you belong to an oppressed social group, then you suddenly have responsibility for the entire group, as if you were an employee of some organization. This is unfair, it is a tool of bias, it is an additional psychological burden that will never pay off. Then why play along and judge queer people for not being “good queer people”? Yes, we live in a context, but now this context is dictated by conservative people who do not want to see reality. And they will find reasons for bias, regardless of whether they find “bad queer people”
What you are describing is respectability politics applied to trans people. That only slightly benefits people who can pass and play along. It leaves out the members of the community who can't. It accepts the premise of the conservative that doing anything to raise their ire will be bad for the community. They want us dead whether we are small and polite about it or not.
You keep mentioning talking about surgery at Disneyland like you've accepted the conservative premise that Disneyland is a children's place. It's all ages. Adults can talk about adult things anywhere. I didn't see the video, but unless she was describing surgery in gory detail directly to a child too young to understand, then what's the issue?
Exactly! Cis people can talk about all kinds of stuff at Disneyland without anyone batting an eye. But one trans woman makes a video about bottom surgery and everyone loses their minds. We really need to stand together and support each other instead of focusing on criticizing our own community so much
@@chloefischer8153Yeah
I love your channel, you have a good heart. I think it comes down to when there are 'bad eggs' in the majority cishet community, nobody thinks they are making all straight people look bad. So why would it be any different for us? Not one person can represent an entire community. Nobody thought Ted Bundy was making straight people look bad and he's obviously worse than Lily Tino right? I am tired of this conservative myth that all GLBT must be perfect angels in order to have equal rights or to be accepted. Even if Lily Tino is a 'bad egg'- it still doesn't give any justification for transphobia or to discriminate against trans people.
You're so right
Giving criticism like this is the right thing to do but I've seen people criticize her via being transphobic. Tbh if she didn't do this sort of content she'd still be hated by transphobes because they just hate that we exist.
I've seen the comments and some of them call her all sorts of things and that's not okay.
I've not finished the video but I am a little concerned about why people shouldn't get you started on transmen in general? I am a trans man but I am a little out of touch with the trans masc community and I am just hoping things haven't gone down hill while I wasn't looking.
The comment "don't get me started on..... or on any transmeD to be honest" (not just transmen) was a joke that was in reference to those specific trans people mentioned and how they are eager to perpetuate sexist/transphobic/racist/ableist rhetoric solely because they no longer suffer from it. I hope I explained this well enough, it's kind of an iykyk joke so idk how to do it justice.
I would date a trans man.
You should make a Discord server for your community here. Whenever I find a Queer and Trans content creator I wanna reach out to them and talk about my experience
You are a man.
Hi, I have a question, can a Muslim feel begin gender fluid? Because I feel like I am...
Injustice Collectors will never be satisfied (it's perpetual point scoring). Targeting wait staff and minimum wage workers just shows what a "Luxury Belief" Queer Therory is. The fact that this behaviour is not roundly condemned shows how little value is ascribed to those outside the 'community'. We live in a pluralistic society. Don't take offence where none is intended.
Queer theory is white, largely male, and middle class...its targets are ethnic minorities, gay people and women. Same old, same old...exactly the same as the non-queer theory white, largely male middle class. Lily Contino achieves the same result as a right-winger, but does it dressed up as a 1990s teen hooker and is allowed to be a fascist openly.
i remember learning that cis men have been able to lactate and breast feed when i was a teen. people, especially trans people, claiming that its impossible for a trans women to breast feed are nothing but stupid to me
as someone who is getting ready to crack my egg im aware and content that im going to misgendered but im also going to go try my best to avoid that and main goal is voice training and hair growth. its a truth im going to face but im never going to get aggressive about it, itll only make things worse
Good luck! You're going to do great!
People who generalize a whole community because of an individual really need to reconsider their thought processes.
Is an intersex video coming soon 👀 ?
Honestly, I say leave Lily be, stop being super triggered over how she lives HER life.
yeah it's not ideal because of conservatives - but we can all get off tiktok and just chill right? I've only seen like 3 of her videos and all of them were in other trans creator's videos.
I mean if it were me personally I would tell the server my pronouns and if they didn't respect that they are not getting any tip! And I would not go back. I might say something to the manager after the fact in a private respectful manner. I do think someone continuing to be disrespectful as an issue. I know I don't pass. I do think it's wild to missgender someone who is obviously trans but I politely correct guests at work and they take it in one way or another
I think you, Samantha and Violet hit the nails on their heads.
I love your attitude! So upbeat! that makes it easier to watch these negative topics.
But do you think you could try making some queer/trans joy videos?
UA-cam is severely lacking.
Thank you,
-another NB asexual❤
Considering how much danger trans people are in, having someone like Lily out here is not doing us trans people any favors. The conservative right clearly doesn’t care about us, but we need all the support we can get from centrists or people who are politically neutral.
A server at a restaurant saw a white dude.
How dangerous is it to be seen as white man vs being seen as white woman while odering food?
@@seagreenmoon13 I never said there was, my guy. I’m not talking about being misgendered. Though that does hurt trans people, most of us aren’t offended by some random stranger using the wrong pronouns. I’m talking about all the aggressive, transphobic rhetoric being pushed by certain talking heads. That rhetoric, as well as the laws being passed and laws they are planning on passing (as laid out in Project 2025) is incredibly harmful to the transgender community.
You are a man.
Yeah Lily Tino is intentionally doing this so she could get money off the conservative ragebait market. Like her inital reaction to getting misgendered in resturants where probably real then conservatives reacted she got a lot of views and such, so she went further into questionable territory where she isn't doing or saying anything too morally or factually wrong just kinda sketchy enough for the conservatives to react and continue to promote her content. That being said her actions do not really harm the trans community as much as people claim because her making these videos would not stop conservatives from finding sketchy content from another trans creator to paint us as evil.
I don't see anything rude about calling out misgendering. In the videos that we see here, Lily did not call anyone names or humiliate anyone, she simply pointed out that they addressed her impolitely. And, if an employee stubbornly refuses to address you politely, it’s worth contacting the manager
So someone should have their livelihood threatened because they`re not `addressing you politely`? This is yet more proof that `trans` just doesn`t work. You can`t ask people to address you politely by calling you a woman if you`re a man. That`s ridiculous. Trans identifying people are only going to get thrown out of places...it`s totally unworkable nonsense...especially as trans identifying men are figthing to be in womens` spaces. So no polite respect there shown to women, and yet we have to call these men `she/her`. Nope, it`s not gonna happen.
Some LGBT folks like to capitalize and lean into bigotry for clicks
I agree with you and Violet
6:30 If unhealthy males can lactate on their own due to hormonal disbalance (developing tumors, etc) without having special gender feels why its being viewed as some kind of breakthrough for woman identifying male that indused same level of hormonal disbalance by taking drugs to achieve same result?
I just dont get it.
The only difference is that men without special gender feels get medical help instead of trying to feed babies with that substance.
That's really unsettling.
Women have to be on special diet to not compromise their children's health.
Mothers risk their own life and their health denying themselves life saving drugs because a lot of them are incompatible with breastfeeding but some tw is out there just happy that there is liquid to squeeze so baby shoud just take it because special gender feels?
I don't see why someone sane would view that kind of thing in a positive light.
That's why people call that community a cult.
"any trans man to be honest" ?????????? no?
I think they said "trans med", like transmedicalist
@@amazingspiderlad ohhh okay makes sense. i feel embarrassed
@@amazingspiderlad oh thank you, I was about to get so upset
Oi lynn, what’re yer pronouns?
Genuine question so I know how to refer to you in my inner monologue whilst watching your videos
@@Banter07 they/them
@@ShiningStar396 thankyaverymuch
@@Banter07You're welcome
I had a hard time watching trans youtubers make videos about Lily because the ones i have watched make no mention of her making money, being a grifter, etc. It's all about how people are going to see trans people now. This is textbook respectability politics. Its not radical and pointless to think that this is somehow going to represent a wide spectrum of people. We do not get queer liberation by trying to blend in with cisgendered people. I'm saddened to see way too many trans folks care more about how the cis folk are going to assume things about the trans community rather than calling out bad behavior of a petty bourgeois trans woman. Its not that shes trans but rather she clearly has money and feels entitled to think behave and say whatever she feels regardless of the critique of her constituents. I think videos like this serve as a good counter weight to critiques without solid class or material theory on queer issues.
You are a man.
Wait, are you female to male?
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Honestly never heard of her
I agree with Samantha and Violet, Violet worded it best IMHO. But I feel similar about the "queer" subject and how this became the umbrella label system, not the only one. We just have to remember the with great freedom and power, comes great responsibilities. Lily Tino should do better IMHO, on the other hand, if it wasn't her there would be someone else like her. This doesn't make it right.
I also don't understand how she, and you could get misgendered. Especially with Lily clearly trying to check feminine stereotypes.
But not all people are the same. Maybe with some factors changed in my life, I would have been the same?
I understand the issue with wanting to do things right, and not wanting to offend. But that would be the different way around.
It checks more stereotypical fem than masc boxes, probably wants to be addressed that way. Why I would mis-gender Jeffrey Star, with her, and not automatically would go: they/them.
Individual vs collective
The collective is made up out of individuals. But not all individuals would form the same collective.
I am a member of the LGBTIA+ collective, and the G collective within the previous named collective.
As a G segment, I out-aged the twink label. Don't think there is a current LGBT slang identifier I would identify with. Daddy, ain't it.
Point being I would more identify with a radical faeries than the term/label queer. That is all more individual based.
We stand stronger as a collective;
why community is such an important aspect to the LGBTIA+ or GSD (gender & sexual diversity).
Also none of us only have this one aspect to our identity;
Besides being sexually and romantically diverse, I am neuro diverse, diversity is not queer but part of natural diversity aka nature and life. It is only queer if we hold on to the old and broken normatives. Why it doesn't work the way it should for our collective movement. IMHO
And the way I see it most people want to do this right. Unless raised of phobia as can be the case with some religions, not all of them!
With persons that are ambiguous it always feels weird because you don't want to say the wrong gender. And the fear of making a mistake.
I want to point out to my community that mistakes don't always need to be malevolent in their nature. They can be, but most often are done in ignorance, or thick sculled-ness.
What Lily is doing, can be seen in the same light as Blair White, doubling down.
There is a Samantha Lux, there is Violet, there is you... already 5 different types of trans people, even if all MTF (unless mistaken, and I am doing the misgendering with you.)
It surprises me that you get misgendered! You are a beautiful woman and I can’t believe anyone would see you otherwise.
I believe they use they/them or identify more with non-binary pronouns than fem.
Lynn is non binary
She’s sooo cringe.
I think as a comunity we as trans and nb ppl should oromo the idea that we are all different some r hypersexual some are ace some want to educate kids some dont also normal doesnt exist
Imho educate your own kids if you have them.
Don't go after other people's kids.
That's predatory and creepy.
Just saying.
@@seagreenmoon13 whys that creepy for kids to learn abt ppl haveing surgery?
@@seagreenmoon13 hows education preditory and creepy
Thats a dude
@@callmediffuse No
True. Trans woman are man.
He is just a narcissist, I see and hear a man I’m gonna be polite and say sir.
This bloke has the right to ask people to use inaccurate pronouns yes but we have the right to ignore him because no one has the right to force others to lie.
Why do you hate every trans-med?
Trans med folks tend to attach surgeries and other forms of gender affirming things as the only way to be trans. Specifically around HRT and surgeries.
So for example, someone who may not desire bottom surgery, but still is a trans woman isn't considered a trans woman. Because she isn't performing womanhood and trans-womanhood in a specific way.
Put shortly, Trans med folks limit the way people can be trans, and therefore limit transness. Leaving out all sorts of trans experiences.
Transmedicalism is a scourge. It's how you end up with ancient Susan's Place mods like Brianna Wu running around trying to become the next Caitlyn Jenner pick me trans that's just honestly embarassing. Real r/leopardsatemyface tier stuff.
Bc they suck and have shitty talking points i have a friend whos a transmed and i dont hate him just think his pov is beyond short sighted and out of touch
because it's just hurting people to use that argument, transmeds don't even make sense, gender is not surgeries 🤦♀️
Ohhh that’s what they said, I thought they said “trans men” and was thinking, hey trans men aren’t that bad 😅