@@skap_attack Lebron James more rebounds, assists, playoff points per game, more MVPs, more Finals MVPs, more playoff game winners, most all time regular season points per game, more All-star selections, more NBA finals triple doubles, better three point shooting(and you say Lebron James is a power forward and technically shooting guards are supposed to have way much better three point shooting than Lebron James), and has better clutch statistics Goat debate: 58.3% of NBA players say Jordan is the goat(officially the goat) 33% say lebron james is the goat(officially the king) Only 6% say brick mamba is the goat(officially the choker). Who has a better true shooting percentage? Lebron James Who has a better Player efficiency rating? Lebron James Who has a better effective field goal percentage? Lebron James. Who has 10 triple doubles in the NBA Finals? Lebron James. Who shot 25% in the NBA finals game 7? Kobe Bryant Has Kobe Bryant ever broke a record? Oh yes: Most missed shots in NBA history in 1 less season played than Lebron James. That's the only thing. Go get some help. Who has 2 40+ 3 point percentage seasons? Lebron James Who has 0? Kobe Bryant. Who never had a season above 50% shooting? Kobe Bryant Who got selected for the All star game when only averaging 17 points on 35% shooting in his final NBA season and single-handingly leading his team to two 60+ loss records? Kobe Bryant Who airballed four times in the clutch? Kobe Bryant. Lebron James never did and he has the most playoff game winning buzzer beaters but you salty Kobe fans say he's a choker when who AIRBALLED FIVE TIMES IN THE FINAL FIVE MINUTS OF AN ELIMINATION GAME? Who carried his team by himself to an all star with his one-man performance while leading his team to a 17-65 record while shooting 35% FG percentage? Kobe Bryant. Lebron James and Michael Jordan have never carried their team to a 60 loss season but because of how salty Kobe Bryant fans are they just don't accept the truth. Jordan is definitely better than Lebron James while Lebron james is DEFINITELY BETTER THAN KOBE BRYANT. I don't want to hear it, but you are JOKING that Lebron James is worse than kobe bryant stop making BIASED opinions. I mean, everyone says NBA players think Kobe is better than Lebron James and only the media likes Lebron James but look at the stats, 33 percent of NBA players think Lebron James is the goat to 6% for Kobe Bryant.
It's funny how the guys who've played the game at that level have consistently said Kobe was better than Lebron but the media does everything to dismiss that.
@@SneakerShopTalk Kobe’s statistics in hindsight are not overly impressive looking now. For a number of reasons. Firstly he wasn’t a starter his first 2 full seasons. His first 3 seasons, he only averaged 13 points per game on 10 shots per game. His last 3 years were severely compromised because of injury. Look at the 14 year in between tho he was as prolific a scorer as anyone ever. Unfortunately those 14 years were also the lowest scoring, slowest paced years in nba history. So that further depreciated his statistics. One thing that should be translatable to any era is his championships. But they even try to diminish those because “he had Shaq”. But curry had Durant, Kareem and Magic and vice versa, bird had Michale and Parish, Lebron had Kyrie, then AD and Wade and Bosh before it. There’s just such lack of consistency with how Kobe is treated.
@SneakerShopTalk media members are either paid actors or writers that never touched a basketball in their life let alone the fundamentals of the game itself. If they can disrespect Kobe n say he had Shaq n he ain't top 10 than we as fans the right to say lebron ain't top 10 cuz he cheated the game has been juicing up since the start of his career has been involved in over 80 trades since 2010 has been stacking his team has been giving the keys to the league to do as he feels
@@SilentMovements305 I have to believe you’re right and these guys are just running prewritten narratives out there. How else can you explain like 70% of all players who went against both saying Kobe is the superior player. And only like 5% of the media have Kobe even top 5? Something is not adding up here.
I remember watching an interview with Kobe. He blatantly told the world that he wasn't as much as gifted as the other players "physically" he said that his vertical was only 42, that his hands were big but not massive, he was quick but not insanely quick. He admitted himself had to rely on skill a lot more ,that he had to study the game a lot more. So to be able to accomplish all the accolades that he have is just mind-boggling. He may not be the best player ever but he will go down in history as the most skilled player to ever do it
@@noahhannon2305no. He was more physically gifted than Kobe. He wasnt more skilled. Kobe was a less athletic but more skilled version of mj. Smoother handles, better footwork, bigger bag. The major difference and why mj is better is he was more physically gifted. He was stronger, big frame, big hands and more athletic. Kobe was smooth, slippery, counter moves, unpredictable. Mj was less so but far more physically dominant
@@skap_attack MJ and Kobe man…them dudes were unreal. Tough, tough competitors and played the game the right way. They didn’t cheat the game. When the times were rough, they didn’t run to other teams. They wanted to beat the toughest competitors, not join them. They could do unbelievable things with the rock and you never had to question who was in charge when the game was on the line. We saw them with our own eyes. And this new generation wants us to forget what we saw and accept their pick as goat, simply because they weren’t alive to witness players that were better. What a awful time to witness, when lies trump truth daily. We live in a time when someone can tell you that the sky is red and if you don’t agree than you are attacked and ridiculed. Now they want us to believe that LeBron is better than MJ and Kobe. And if we don’t agree than we are “haters”. No, we are realists. I don’t hate LeBron or anyone for that matter. I just know he’s not better than them dudes and he never will be. But he’s still a great great player.
@@chicity78 perfectly said 👏. Couldn’t have said it any better. Lebron is a top 10 player undeniably in my opinion. I will admit he’s somewhere in the 4-9 range. Personally I have him outside of my top 5, but I understand the argument and respect the case for having him in that range. Just don’t call me a hater because I’ve been watching basketball for nearly 30 years now and have more perspective than someone who was born in the year 2000. It’s a crazy time to be alive.
Word. I didnt watch any videos up until a few months ago and mid video my eyes start to fill up everytime. I was at staples center the day he played his last game and met him a week after….. 😢😢😢 ok im bout to cry…
Kobe doesnt even reach 4 of his finals without shaq. Put lebron on the lakers 3 peat team and they win at least 5 rings. Lebron has only left teams that were lottery teams without him, and he never had a teammate even close to as good as shaq. Lebron has been to 3 different teams which I wouldn't call running all over the place, and he's been successful on every team he has been on
@@chadgsjbssbanaSo you're one of those that think Lebron did it himself. When he went to teams he joined D Wade and Kyrie and brought in the best stretch 4/5 in the game and added the best shooters in the world. Shaq dominated but you forget Kobe closed all those games because of Shaes poor FT shooting ability. Kobe did the same thing with Pau. Bron is amazing. He's a created player. But the NBA game is about footwork and fundies. And then you add competitive edge, MJ and Kobe edge everyone out. They are all great but if your child's life was on the line and you had one g to play, your picking MJ then the Mamba all day long or you don't love your kid 🤣🤣🤣
@@Aaronedwardshalll in 2018 and 2007 he very much did it all by himself, but my point is that the teams that Lebron were in the finals with don’t make it to the finals without Lebron, but prime shaq was easily making it to the finals with or without kobe
When Jordan & Kobe played I recorded those marquee matchups, religiously! Watching Lebron’s career I never had that affinity to watch cause He never truly amazed me as a sport’s fan.
Just from the eyetest it's Kobe hands down...do ppl not notice Lebron has no bag?? Just the same right hand dunk over and over, terrible footwork (often travels), not an aesthetically pleasing jumpshot like Kobe, commits offensive fouls when he tries to get to get shots off AT THE RIM instead of the difficulty of shots Kobe made over multiple defenders, plus Kobe competed in and WON the slam dunk contest Lebron has always been too scared to even compete I'm done with this
All of those are very good points lol. I personally just think of the fact Kobe went out of his way to lessen the supporting case he had while Lebron has gone out of his way to enhance his. Kobe has played tougher competition and won more. Never understood the case for Lebron in the top 2 spots. Wilt chamberlain was as decorated individually than Lebron. In all honesty, much more so. But he’s never been in the goat conversation. Because he was a loser in the finals. So too is Lebron
Amen! Don't forget the defense Kobe played and the fact that in the Olympics and World championships Lebron is the biggest loser in the history of USA basketball. Without Kobe he would have never won the Olympics.
I say this all the time. Lebrons game is bland as fuck. His shot is ugly and robotic looking. He's like a mini dwight howard when he shoots. Kobe is way more skilled and knowledgeable as a player.
ya lebum played in his rookie n barely got injured travelling flopping crying at the ref -Kobe🙏didn't play as a starting 5, 4 yrs got bench n -Kobe 🙏 got ACL injured 4 yrs through at the end of his career. -Kobe 🙏could have passed all time scoring list if he played those 8 years
@@obitoxshinobi8978 Kobe DID have a depreciated first 2 and last 3 seasons. It’s undeniable. Looking at the 15 years in between he posted around a 29 point per game scoring average and was easily one of the 3 greatest scorers ever along with Wilt and Jordan. Has he load managed himself more he could have played till 40 and been the all time leading scorer instead of Lebron.
@@skap_attack kwame brown said lebron has no go to move., hes spot on..every other player that was in the goat convo since the 70s has either one to three goto moves... how can lebron be the goat and he doesnt even have one goto move
Thank you so much for the kind words 🙏. Watched very moment of Kobe’s career. I’ll never stop trying to spread the word on the Mamba. Too many people these days trying to forget.
@skap_attack Jordan won against bums or old players. Lebron beat possibly the all time great teams and is still going. If Lebron gets 6 all arguments will be over. MJ couldn't even make it 20 years. Kobe played 20 but didn't match Lebron stat wise.
@@MARZOSIRUS LeBron has played less 50+ win opponents than Jordan and substantially less than Kobe. Lebron has faced a 50+ win opponent 53% of his playoff career. Jordan played 50+ win teams 73% of the time, and Kobe played a 50 plus win team a staggering 86% of the time. Also, lebron played 400 more games than Jordan and counting. He played 100 more games than Kobe. Also, LeBron has played with more all stars per year to make it to his finals than Kobe and many more than Jordan. All of that to win less than either. It's not close, at all.
I'm so tired of everyone saying LeBron is #2 all time. It's just constant propaganda, constant comparisons, constant promotion from the media. 90% of it based on stats.
It’s about stats plus fulfilling the medias own hype of Lebron at the very beginning of his career. The media love to be “right”. They starting hyping this dude up when he was a junior in HS. Every moment in the NBA for him has been all about them helping him to fulfill that bs legacy.
@@skap_attack The NBA and sports media has gutted what it means to be a champion in order to boost up LeBron. It used to be a sign of virtue to grow from loss and learn how to win. Now it's cool to quit, go somewhere else and stack your team to guarantee a win. It used to be a sign of virtue to take responsibility and work hard to get better. Now it's cool to throw your teammates under the bus. It used to be a sign of virtue to be the rock onto which the team builds a champion. Now it's cool to whine then leave when things aren't perfect. It used to be a sign of virtue to play hard every game of the regular season as a sign of respect to the organization and the fans and to build chemistry with the team. Now it's cool to make bullsh*t excuses not to play. Players used to hate losing, now it's become cool to "get there". Players used to play for the love of the game. Now they play for stats and "legacy". I hate the NBA now because it abandoned the qualities of a real man, a real leader and a real champion to mimic the feminine qualities of mama's boy LeBron James. The NBA has abandoned it's responsibility to teach young men virtue and instead virtue-signals and teaches them the process doesn't matter. Just win and create the narrative you want. Both the NBA and the mainstream sports media has SUFFERED in the hands of LeBron James. As a result, the league has attracted an attention-seeking, superficial, stats-obsessed, legacy-obsessed, blame-shifting, player-idolizing, team-disregarding fan base that shares the same qualities as LeBron James. And we're all the worst for it.
@@TayGee-mh8eo very well said and I agree with you. Every era of this sports history-for better or worse-was held to the same standard. “Ring culture”. Of course it’s all about the ring and winning. What else would it be about? Until we reached this era where the media has had to hoist up and coddle a loser. That’s when rings became a “team achievement”. Bull shit. It was always a commentary of INDIVIDUAL excellence until this era.
@@skap_attack And they diminished winning by acting as if ring culture is only about rings. It was NEVER only about rings. It was about the process. It was about fighting, getting better and finally overcoming. It was never just about ring counting but generally speaking we're going to have more admiration for a guy that climbed a mountain 6 times over a guy that did it only twice. Of course, context means everything so just winning 6 rings does not automatically make you better than a guy that won less if the guy that won less had more to overcome. But that's the point. Let's get into the context and weigh the evidence on both sides. But for LeBron, the context is thrown out and we are forced to discuss the most superficial discussions outside 4th grade. It's why we are still discussing whether LeBron is the GOAT 20 years into his career. If he was the GOAT, it wouldn't take 20 years for us dumb-dumbs to figure it out! But since they have boiled everything down to ring counts and stats, LeBron is still in the running. They have dumbed down the conversation. Also this -- because this is the most important thing for me: For generations, sports was a metaphor for life. Work hard, overcome your foes and challenges and learn how to win. Now those things have been thrown out the window. Now all we talk about is legacy. Not maturation. Not overcoming. Not perseverance. Every damn night it's a discussion on legacy based on (in most cases, manufactured) stats. Most of these guys don't actually like playing and it shows. Most of these guys aren't true competitors and it shows. They don't learn their craft. They have the same weaknesses and tendencies they had five years ago. They're on they're 3rd or 4th team. The NBA is full of young boys trying to impress the social media instead of men working hard to overcome whatever challenges are placed before them.
@@TayGee-mh8eo damn. Again, couldn’t possibly agree anymore. Sports is a metaphor. To me it was always about “the heroes” journey. Where, as you said, our protagonists have to overcome challenges and obstacles-both internal and external forces. And this is the important part for me, the harder the challenges, the more extreme the challenges obstacles, the greater the individual becomes. The hero is only as good as the villain allows. That’s why I’ve never liked Lebron. He sidesteps obstacles. He goes out of his way to make it as easy as possible. And it’s not just Lebron, as you said, it’s mainly this entire generation. There are only few examples of players that want to take on the hardships and challenges. And unfortunately many of them aren’t great enough to overcome. Think a video is needed on this lol.
Kobe is baby Jordan point blank period. Them two individuals was from another planet. Media has been trying to brainwash the new generation that Lebron is better than Kobe. But TRU basketball fans know the Truth. Kobe was unstoppable and relentless.. 🕊️R.i.p Kobe & Gi Gi
100%! People who saw it, saw it. Just ludicrous shit narratives going around after the fact. “Duncan was the best player in the 2000s”? “Lebron was passed Kobe in 2007”? Come on. How can anyone expect those of us who really watched that time to believe these lies? I saw Kobe cooking people nightly in an nba where nightly league wide scoring was in the mid 90s. AND he played on the other end of the floor too. SMH. Just so much disrespectful shit going around these days.
@@skap_attack I've been watching the NBA since 1979, so I DID see it. And Lebron definitely didn't pass Kobe by '07 but Duncan WAS the best player of the 2000's.
@@mj23goat3 totally disagree. Honestly I don’t think it’s particularly close. The TRUE King of The NBA's Most DIFFICULT Era ua-cam.com/video/ZM1BRHRTAdU/v-deo.html
I think the media just compare LeBron to MJ because they want clicks and views. Thank you for making this video :) I had the same observation over the years that NBA legends always picked Kobe over LeBron
when Kobe was taken, I didn't talk to anyone for 3 days. I knew what really happened...and real ballers know Kobe will forever be better than Lebron, no matter what the media tries to force on us. MJ = GOAT Kobe = Goat Lebron = NBA hype
Amen. And I hear you brother. I skipped work for 3 days after Kobe passed. Still can’t believe it. I got choked up even editing this video. He may be gone, but he’ll never be forgotten. Like you said, those of us who know…will always know. Kobe will always be on basketballs Mount Rushmore.
@@SalRubino82how? He won 4 chips 4 finals mvps most points scored been dominate since day 1 top 10 in assists top 20 in rebounds and top 20 or 30 in blocks and steals no disrespect Kobe is better but Lebron is top 3
Kobe is better than lebron. I don’t know why these fools keep trying to put him ahead of this man like they keep forgetting how good this dude really was
I try to tell myself that people just forgot. But honestly this ridiculousness was happening when Kobe was still playing. I’ve never understood it, and I never will.
@@christophergibson3846 That’s funny 17% shooting in clutch situations, leFLOP fans want to run to his side to protect him, but they can’t defend a career worth of botched SHOTS!!!
I was never a Kobe fan, but he was great to watch. It was like people in the late 80s and in the 90s hating MJ, but recognized how great he was. Today, people seems to be so hypersensitive about sports today. I can tell people that MJ is the GOAT to me, while not ripping apart or tearing down another player's accomplishments. The only regret I have about Kobe when he played, is that I didn't appreciate him more for what he did for the game. I loved his talent and how tenacious he was on the court. I appreciate this video, because the players spoke for themselves on who they believe was greater. They brought a component to this conversation: experience! Something you can't quantify with analytics.
The mindset Kobe had was second to none. He and Jordan are the greatest competitors I’ve ever seen in the sport. And Kobe’s “bag” as the kids say today, in my opinion, exceeded Jordan’s. MJ was more physically gifted, and certainly more accomplished. He was definitely the GOAT, and likely always will be. But Kobe got as close as anyone ever will.
@@skap_attack I agree with that! It's funny to me how, people are considered the GOAT based on advanced analytics. However, when you put Kobe, MJ, Wilt and other all-time greats stats into advanced analytics. It hurt their arguments even more! We need more channels like your's. I enjoyed the humor elements, but I appreciate even more the irrefutable facts that you display.
Kobe’s career avg is 44% FG vs LBJ avg 50% , Kobe Rode the pine as a rookie vs LBJ’s ROY, Kobe 2x FMVP vs Lbj 4x FMVP, Kobe 1 mvp vs lbj 4 MVP’s, Kobe’s career pts 33k vs lbj pts 39k both played 20yrs ! This isn’t even close LBJ is way better than Kobe! Kobe 25,5,4 vs Lbj 27,7,7 no debate!
@@terrencealexander6811Those stats aren’t that relevant. Kobe is 5-2 in the finals while having less all star teammates, while Lebron is 4-6. Who’s the better scorer? Kobe has 2 scoring titles while Lebron only has 1, despite playing in the league longer. Kobe made all defensive team 12 times compared to Lebron’s 6. Compared to Jordan, these two aren’t in the same league analytically speaking. However, as you have seen, Kobe is held in higher regards than Lebron, and I’ll always take Kobe over Bron because of his killer instinct. Also things like total points like you mentioned are irrelevant because they are about longevity, when the question of who is best is about peaks.
@@noahhannon2305 And some nba players personally loved Kobe so their opinions are bias but the numbers don’t lie Kobe wasn’t even close to being better than lbj! Lbj could guard 1-4 unlike Kobe just pg’s and sg’s
Lebron is not better Magic and Bird. These medias are something else. Magic won his first championship as a rookie carry a Lakers team. Magic was always a winner. Bird like Magic is also a winner and the worst trash talker. Lebron could never guard against Bird. Bird would make Lebron cry in the first five mins in the game.
@@tjc2993 ultimately I will never have someone with a losing record in my top 5. Wilt was the most dominant player ever with 30, 22 and 4 career averages and 4 league MVPs. Will never have him in my top 5 due to that 2-4 record in the finals. I view bron much of the same way at 4-6.
Lebron doesn't make his teammates better. He just gets 2 other top players in the league at the time. To play with him. He runs to them from team to team.
@@VigilanteWilliamson absolutely. People will say “Kobe played 20 seasons”. But he ruptured his Achilles at the end of year 17, had another season ending injury in year 18 and another one in year 19.
All Kobe needed was Shaq and Gasol to produce 5 rings. Lebron needed Irvine, Love, DWade, Bosh and Brow to produce 4. Lebron got more help and yet won less. It's clear Kobe was better.
To me, there’s absolutely zero debate to be had here. The difference in the eye test between Kobe and leflop is so stark that it’s simply impossible to ignore. People love to look at stats in these matters, but that’s just abusing numbers without context in order to represent your opinion as being objectively based in fact. The reason that’s flawed is because you can’t compare two different seasons, let alone different eras of the game. Different players have different luck, different rules, different opposition, different sports science, etc. and it’s shortsighted for someone to think they could account for all of those countless differences and use numbers to provide a truly apples-to-apples comparison. That’s why I believe that at the end of the day, this really just comes down to the eye test, as well as received opinions. Instead of forming their own view based on watching a player, people seem like they’re becoming more and more satisfied to just receive their opinion from whoever repeats it the most. If every viewer of basketball had to watch one random full Jordan game and one random full Lebron game a day for a year, virtually all of them would come out of that year with the view that Jordan is easily better.
@@skap_attack I'm a lebron fan but I don't think he's better than jordan and could see an argument for either of them taking the #1 spot, but I don't think kobe comes close to either really. Kobe doesn't win those rings without shaq, but shaq could have won those rings without kobe. You could say lebron doesn't win the rings without wade( which he has) or kyrie (who wasn't even all NBA from 2015-17) or even AD, but none of those teams even come close to a finals without lebron. After lebron left Cleveland in 2018, they went from a finals team to one of the worst in the league, and the same thing happened with the heat after lebron left. After Shaq left, the Kobe led lakers didn't even make the play In tournament.
@@chadgsjbssbana I think Kobe could have come to the East from 1996 to 2013 when he destroyed his Achilles. Playing in that poop conference Lebron was in from 2003-2018, Kobe could have won 6-8 titles without Shaq if he just stayed on the hornets who drafted him. That my opinion. If Lebron never left cleveland? I think he’s maybe have 1 or 2. MAYBE. That’s my opinion. You’re welcome to yours. I have mine. Mine was formed from watching the entirety of both of their career live while also spending countless years studying all other eras.
When Lebron retires the media will stop talking about him just like they did Kobe. They will push someone else in the spot light against MJ like Giannis, Jokic, or Luka. They have to use a current player so they can have their daily topics. And then there will be young tiktok kids who haven’t even started watching basketball yet saying you don’t know ball if you think MJ, Kobe, or LBJ is the goat 😂
Funny how nba players who competed against MJ, Kobe, and Lebron, they always say MJ and Kobe. As a true Lakers fan, I have always said that Kobe is not better than MJ. Kobe is the closest the MJ, but MJ is the best in the game. I don’t even put Kobe as the best Lakers, in my opinion, KAJ is top on my list. Magic is never considered but he won his first championship as rookie and he was carrying the Lakers. Mind you, I’m also a Kobe fan. I tried be fair and impartial. Lebron is not better than Kobe period.
Kobe is my favorite athlete (not just basketball player) and one of my favorite people ever. I saw him play in person when he was in HS, and I was in the building, staples center, for Kobe’s last game ever when he dropped 60 on the jazz. I do have Kobe on my Mount Rushmore. But with all of that said, I have Jordan and Kareem definitively above Kobe. And likely Bill Russell too. But I go back and forth on that 3/4 line.
@@tjc2993 Kobe fans are typically well versed in history. We can generally critique other all time greats and admit when we another player is above him. Lebron fans are not like that. Their guy MUST be number one. If not, you’re a hater. It’s ridiculous.
@@skap_attack You saw his career from HS to pro. Very cool! Compare to me who saw him in his rookie season as a young whipper snapper and being one of the best. I wish I saw him in HS.
@@tjc2993 I was too young to see most of Jordan’s career. The only seasons I really remember was his last 2 with the bulls (ring 5 & 6) and then his two wizards seasons which I don’t really count. But I saw the entirety of Kobe’s and lebrons careers. That’s why I feel so strongly about this topic lol.
I don’t think there’s another player who’s so drastically ranked differently from players to media and to the fans. Kobe was player, IMO, that you needed to watch and have an understanding of the game to truly appreciate his impact. Stats tell one side of the story, film tells you the other side
@@skap_attack Lebron played in the same era that kobe won two of his rings in and still had better numbers than kobe. Also kobe doesn't even reach 4 of his finals without shaq.
@@chadgsjbssbanalol lebron didn’t win rings until the 2010s that’s not the same era as the 2000s dead ball era of slow paced basketball, lebron couldn’t even get to the finals and when he did he got swept, he had to form superteams just to get win a chip and d wade said in his latest interview with KG they formed a superteam cause of kobe and the celtics 😂😂. stop with this narrative that kobe has 4 because of shaq, THEY have 4 because of each other, kobe even averaged more points and led in more categories than shaq in the playoffs, use your brain for once and stop following these false narratives 😂😂 casual. he went to 3 straight without shaq as well. y’all try so hard to downplay kobe’s greatness
Thank you very much for making this video, especially at a time when "experts" like Stephen A. Smith, Shannon Sharpe, etc... are doing their best to erase Kobe from people's memories.
Kobe was valued A LOT higher (maybe overvalued) until he died. For some reason after that, the media flipped on him and I'd suspect it has to do with Queen James.
It's interesting 'cause I feel like Bird also gets overlooked a lot in these debates. I haven't seen him play, I wasn't alive during that basketball era. But what do you think lacks with Larry Bird and why he gets overlooked? 'Cause I feel like mentally, he's the same as Kobe and Jordan, he just has that killer mentality.
I’m a bit older than you, but you’re exactly right. MJ, Kobe, and Bird were cut from the same cloth. Absolute killers and apex predators. Lebron just doesn’t have that 5th gear in the final minutes of the big games
Bird was that guy. Everyone has bird in their top 7. He is cut from the same cloth as Kobe and mj fasho. Bird just didn’t have the health or genetics. He wasn’t as athletic as Kobe or mj, and he wasn’t great on defense like Kobe and mj, he was good but not great. But bird is def in my top 5
@@Beanz06 - love was bad?? 🤦♂️, so what happened during 2007-2010?? What happened in 2019? Oh right, players are only “better” if they’re already stars 🤦♂️ it’s a shame the media disliked Kobe….if he was liked like LBJ, the picture would’ve been VERY different. Kobe played BOTH ends of the floor, LBJ only plays ONE side ie OFFENSE. Imagine being so great that the NBA had to intercept a trade as it would disrupt LBJ’s chance of winning chips 🤷♂️
@@Beanz06just cause he makes great plays doesn’t mean it’s the right play and also Kobe is more clutch and efficient in the clutch. There was a video based on stats in the last 5 mins of a game down by 5 that show Kobe is far better then bron on the biggest stages.
@@terrencealexander6811 - yea and LBJ says stupid things and do stupid things ALL the time….dumb tatt, calling himself GOAT, passing the ball when he is right next to the basket, taking ridiculous 3pt shots when he is shocking from beyond the line, can’t shoot FT if his life depended on it, forcing his wife to call him GOAT etc etc 🤷♂️🤦♂️🤪
Like Allen Iverson said, Kobe's my guy. Kobe was the real deal. When Lebron could succeed at the Olympic games, Kobe had to come set the record straight with a Gold. Kobe made Lebronze a LeGold.
Kobe and his teammates shared that coach Del Harris had a thing against kobe but his teammates and players around kobe new he was ready for real playing time. Imagine if kobe first two years he wasn't being held back?
@williamwitte9600 lebron didn't have pressure to win in Cleveland. Nobody expected him to win there. Only expectations for him were to getchis stats. If you play for bigger better markets. Your expectations raise up a bit.
The actual sad part is that it has gotten to the point where people have to say “no disrespect to bron” before they say that they believe someone is ahead of him.
Thank u for this! It’s ALWAYS been Kobe over bron. Let’s be clear. More accomplished while playing More mature. More skilled. Wanted to keep improving as opposed to winning by diluting the conference… Kobe was different! Even w the similarities to Jordan…Kobe was 1of1! You will always be a legend to the real ones! We miss you! Mamba eternal!
You forgot something, kobe was a better actor too. Oh, he's also a better activist since he was willing to do things for the community without the cameras and actually be on the street, as in the hood and walk with the working people.
@@louisdavis6432 what! Now that's a Homer statement. Plenty of athletes has school way before lebrons ie jalen rose, dion etc. so calm down with the whitewashed history. And go tell lebron to pay for his school and not take the taxes from the people that should be going to public schools of that area.
The reason Kobe gets left out of the conversation was the incident in Colorado tarnished his image with the media. They never praised him the same after that because it would be brought up and attached to the NBAs brand. His gameplay made him undeniable until his retirement. Him being not here anymore shouldnt take him out of the conversation either.
Of course, at least 3 MVP went to MJ and Shaq. NBA disrespected him before and after 2003, one because they did not want MJ23 to retire and after the colorado incident broke his image. But Kobe demonstrated against MJ and Lebron he can beat them in various ocasions, just watching 1998 All star game performance level God and MVP for MJ is disrepectful. MJ and Shaq knows well about all this awards deviations. 2003 last MJ All star game and season he could not against Bryant on fire till the last match 29/03/2003 Airness completely destroned but MVP for Kevin Garnett?. And in 2006 best KB year told by everybody snd MVP for Steve Nash? Completely a joke. NBA hostory should be reviewed or MVP post mortems should be created in order to respect this tremendous player
No he gets left out because he was a career 44% FG player! Only 1 mvp , only 2 fmvp , and robe the pine as a rookie! Kobe is so overrated! Great kicks tho
MJ and Kobe never said they were the GOAT it was given, LBJ brand himself as the GOAT that's delusional.what LBJ did was a great and awesome accomplishment but we all know and don't lie to yourself LBJ is not top 5
I love that! Been doing it for going on 20 years now 😂. And just like you, I always will 🙏. I been hitting a lot of Lebron content lately. I have a few Kobe pieces I’m planning to do tho. Thanks for watching. I appreciate it 🙏
@@skap_attack Hey, I'm subbed now so I will be watching. That Last Choke video was an absolute masterpiece. And all facts. I'm going to recommend it to the Lebron stans tomorrow in the video chat I go to. 😂
I’m 41, and in my lifetime the top 3 are Jordan, Kobe, Lebron. I’ll never change my mind until I’m gone. I’ll never see better in my lifetime, and that’s the order. 🏀
your saying lebron doesn't have a passion for the game? hes been a top 10 and 15 player every year hes played at least. Some years was the best player in the league as well. bron avoided all the distractions in his career and focused on the game, thats how hes been able to play so well when hes so old. he has the best longevity ever in the nba. kobe had more passion but u cant say lebron had no passion
@@briansanchez9663 If you watched Kobe’s game and didn’t see the difference in passion in say his game and James Harden’s for example, then I doubt you even watch or like basketball. Passion and intensity matters man, that’s why the Greats elevate their game in crucial moments, they are extremely passionate about their craft.
The Lakers were already a playoff team that signed Shaq that same year. Kobe fanboys pretend that he built the Lakers. They weren't bad until after Shaq left
Kobe just transcendent the game. I feel so lucky being in Southern California being able to watch all of his games... It's unfortunate that we took it for granted the buzzer beaters when you thought the game was over it time and time and time again... I've never seen so many people in the NBA and in football name their child Kobe. I've never seen the WNBA still praising Kobe. His motivational speeches were another level and this just goes to show you when you practice hard and work hard. People know the real players know the media or LeBron's jock sniffers. I wouldn't be surprised if they were on his payroll...
Kobe’s career avg is 44% FG vs LBJ avg 50% , Kobe Rode the pine as a rookie vs LBJ’s ROY, Kobe 2x FMVP vs Lbj 4x FMVP, Kobe 1 mvp vs lbj 4 MVP’s, Kobe’s career pts 33k vs lbj pts 39k both played 20yrs ! This isn’t even close LBJ is way better than Kobe! Kobe 25,5,4 vs Lbj 27,7,7 no debate!
@@terrencealexander6811 there's a lot of LeBron. James jock sniffers out there. Most of them are advertising fake news, but it's okay free speeches free speech 🤣😂
Both Michael and Kobe played in the era of big men, where 250 pound monsters were allowed to mutilate you. Both of them had to pull out real magic to score at their level. LeBron played / plays in a different era, where superstars get extra help from refs, media members iron all your flaws out and regular role players rather don't play any defense so that they don't foul out in the first quarter. However great LeBron is, his career is inflated. If he played in the era, when superstars couldn't simply blackmail their GMs, fire coaches, fire their bench and change teams whenever juicier budget appears somewhere - chances are, he would end up like Charles Barkley. Appreciated, remembered, but with zero titles.
Lebron averaged 30 in 2005, wtf r u talking abt? Or did the soft era start right as lebron entered the league? Because if that’s the case then Kobe’s only fmvps are illegitimate.
@@stayrich3027 No they wouldn't, that's idiocy. Kobe literally played until 2016 and was in his prime in the late 2000s/early 2010s, so that's a dumbass thing to say in general.
Kobe’s career avg is 44% FG vs LBJ avg 50% , Kobe Rode the pine as a rookie vs LBJ’s ROY, Kobe 2x FMVP vs Lbj 4x FMVP, Kobe 1 mvp vs lbj 4 MVP’s, Kobe’s career pts 33k vs lbj pts 39k both played 20yrs ! This isn’t even close LBJ is way better than Kobe! Kobe 25,5,4 vs Lbj 27,7,7 no debate!
@@Tyler-kr8vp Kobe's prime year was 03 kid! He said that himself. All his skills polished by that time on top of crazy athletic ability before his knee injury the next year.
When did lebron pass Duncan, Shaq, and Kobe all of which played in the same era ? Kobe vs Duncan in the playoffs 4-2 Lebron vs Duncan in the playoffs 1-2 (and Duncan wasn't even the finals MVP in any other those finals) lol
Much respect to you Skap Attack for this one...funny because both LBJ & Kobe grew up idolizing MJ...one has the utmost respect & recognizes him as the superior player...the other knows this as well but leverages the media to elevate him more than he should be & feed his narcists ways 👈💯#gmrecognizegm
I’ve been tryna find out when bron jumped Kobe all time since like 2016. Bron went from like barely or borderline out of top 10 to goat overnite it’s crazy
I mean he didn’t really deserve the rookie of the year award. He then won 2 league MVPs in the trash ass East when he was in his early 20s while Kobe was in the stacked west winning the one seed and ultimately championships. The media just have loved Lebron from the word go. They’ve been promoting that narrative for 20 years now.
@@skap_attack and Kobe beat every team that beat brons. Dominates the spurs that swept him in ‘08, magic in ‘09 and celts in ‘10. He was better than bron until 2012 imo. And your spot on, that was Melos roty and the East was ridiculously week during brons finals run. I mean are the Indiana pacers, Atlanta hawks, and raptors supposed to compare to Kobe’s western conference runs? Once again your channel is a hidden gem, love how you debunk these media myths and give underrated players their flowers
@@boxtalk2254 completely agree with you. Kobe was the best player in the NBA till 2012 in my opinion. Fan boys and the media like to act as if Lebron was the best player in the nba from 2007-now 😂. He’s not even the best player on his team currently. And thanks for joining the channel! 🙏
Clearly none of you have brain cells so I won't even keep going but do u honestly think that kobe bryant is better than lebron?? Before u think w ur heart j cuz kobe died j think to urself really?? Is kobe really better😂😂😂😂 bron carried 14 other bums to the finals while kobe was shooting bricks the last 5 yrs of his career in yr 20 lebron is average 30ppg in yr 20 wat was kobe doing😂😂
It's so funny that Kobe's is never mentioned and that lebron is better than him. I've never been a Kobe fan but I will never deny his greatness and what he brought to the game of basketball but Lesucker is not in the same league as Kobe Bryant!
Like I said MJ and Kobe are on another planet two of the best 2 way players in history along with Wilt but, It’s crazy Kobe had so much in the bag and did things to MJ that no one else could do he had the handles the shots the High IQ and much more. Kobe is number 2 All time I don’t care what Stephan A says, I question his basketball knowledge anyways. Rip Kobe
I’m still not exactly sure where I rank Kobe all time. Aside from the fact I’m certain he’s on the Mount Rushmore. I can make a case for him as high as 2 or below Jordan, Kareem and Russell. There aren’t more than 4 human beings to be above him tho. Of that I’m quite certain. The fact that haters have him “barely in the top 10” is nauseating.
People don’t understand that Kobe would have more rings if the Lakers hadn’t tried to rely on old Karl Malone and Gary Peyton (who was too dumb to run the triangle offense), if he didn’t have the worst teammates of all time from 05-07 when he was unstoppable and arguably in his prime, if Boston didn’t stack a team in 08 with 4 all stars and his bigs hadn’t got bodied like sissies, if David Stern didn’t rob him of Chris Paul, and if he didn’t suffer that Achilles injury. Also the NBA executives and the media hated him and robbed him of at least 2 or 3 MVPs. David Stern actively sabotaged his career after Colorado bc he was the face of the league and it embarrassed Stern and therefore he wanted to shift the crown to LeBrick. And I’ll go one step further, I think that it’s possible that his death may not have been an accident. Certain people in positions of power and membership in certain elite organizations hated Kobe for his greatness.
"Kobe would have more rings if the Lakers hadn’t tried to rely on old Karl Malone and Gary Peyton..." Get out with that bullsh*t. I'll give you that GP was the wrong fit for the Triangle Offense (although it didn't have anything to do with him being "dumb"), and even PhilJack knew that. It was Jerry West's call to sign Payton. Phil knew he already had the ideal Triangle point man in DFish. But Mailman may have been "old" in years, he damn sure didn't play like it though. He was phenomenal for the Lakers until he got injured. I was amazed that he could join a team with two of the biggest narcissists in league history, BOTH of whom constantly demanded the ball, and Karl just came right in and was dropping 15, 10, & 5 before the knee injury. And the Triangle was a notoriously hard offense for players to master yet Malone picked it up like it was tiddlywinks even though he'd been in the same system for 18 _years_ prior to that. That shows me a brutha with a SKY HIGH basketball intelligence. And it ain't just my opinion either. The stats back it up. The Lakers were 34-9 with Mailman in the lineup that year. He also put up some great playoff games once he came back from the injury, especially in that series against Houston. Had he not gotten injured again in the playoffs LA was clearly gonna win the ring that year.
The media started saying Lebron was better right around 2008. Just when Kobe was winning championships with one all star and Lebron was choking in the playoffs year after year but getting gifted mvp awards by his biggest fan base: the media. Never bought it back then, still not buying it now. Kobe > Lebron.
@@skap_attack The only finals he truly choked was 2011. In early days with cleaveland he had bum teamates, 2014 Dwayne Wade wasn't the same guy anymore, 2015 was solo LeBron. 2017-2018 he had to face a top 2 team all time where he carried bums once again in 2018. LeBron stats are much better than Kobe, the LeBron eyetest and basketball IQ is better than Kobe. The only thing I give Kobe is his unreal ability to make heavily contested shots but that was because he was in those situations because his shot selection was sometimes just bad.
I have Kobe way a head of Lebron. Lebron isnt even in my top 5. Kobe is in my #5 spot. To each their own. Some fans now have Curry above everyone else....hahaha I laugh at him and Lebron being top 5. But that's me. Like who you like. I just watched them all play. And Curry and Lebron are good. For this new NBA. But nothing to what it was in the 80s and 90s. Again that's my take..
Based on my own individual eye test, Kobe is the second best player I’ve ever seen. Behind only Jordan. But I have to factor in resume and achievement. With that said, I have Kobe in my 4 spot. I do not have Lebron in my top 5 either. And I don’t have curry in my top 10 lol. I’ve seen too much.
@@skap_attack can totally respect your comment. And if curry wins another one. He would be the best player of this generation of players in my opinion.
We can chatter all day long on the sidelines, but until you’ve actually played in the NBA against these two, our opinions can only go so far. If NBA players are ranking Kobe over Lebron, you gotta stop and think why.
Kobe’s career avg is 44% FG vs LBJ avg 50% , Kobe Rode the pine as a rookie vs LBJ’s ROY, Kobe 2x FMVP vs Lbj 4x FMVP, Kobe 1 mvp vs lbj 4 MVP’s, Kobe’s career pts 33k vs lbj pts 39k both played 20yrs ! This isn’t even close LBJ is way better than Kobe! Kobe 25,5,4 vs Lbj 27,7,7 no debate!
KOBE!!! 🔥🔥🔥
To me it’s insane that people put LeBron anywhere near Kobe. I don’t have LeBron in my top 10. He might not even be in my top 25
@@gohabs8918your fucking lost in the mind
RIP Kobe and his daughter. It still hurts
True indeed, they passed away way too soon.
cringe, he dont even know u
@@rudy7803have some respect he’s just paying tribute to a goated basketball player
Miss Kobe! Rest In Peace Legend
Not a day goes by when I don’t think of the legendary Kobe Bryant. Gone but never forgotten ❤️🙏🐍
@@skap_attack Lebron James more rebounds, assists, playoff points per game, more MVPs, more Finals MVPs, more playoff game winners, most all time regular season points per game, more All-star selections, more NBA finals triple doubles, better three point shooting(and you say Lebron James is a power forward and technically shooting guards are supposed to have way much better three point shooting than Lebron James), and has better clutch statistics
Goat debate:
58.3% of NBA players say Jordan is the goat(officially the goat)
33% say lebron james is the goat(officially the king)
Only 6% say brick mamba is the goat(officially the choker).
Who has a better true shooting percentage? Lebron James
Who has a better Player efficiency rating? Lebron James
Who has a better effective field goal percentage? Lebron James.
Who has 10 triple doubles in the NBA Finals? Lebron James.
Who shot 25% in the NBA finals game 7? Kobe Bryant
Has Kobe Bryant ever broke a record?
Oh yes: Most missed shots in NBA history in 1 less season played than Lebron James. That's the only thing. Go get some help.
Who has 2 40+ 3 point percentage seasons? Lebron James
Who has 0? Kobe Bryant.
Who never had a season above 50% shooting? Kobe Bryant
Who got selected for the All star game when only averaging 17 points on 35% shooting in his final NBA season and single-handingly leading his team to two 60+ loss records? Kobe Bryant
Who airballed four times in the clutch? Kobe Bryant. Lebron James never did and he has the most playoff game winning buzzer beaters but you salty Kobe fans say he's a choker when who AIRBALLED FIVE TIMES IN THE FINAL FIVE MINUTS OF AN ELIMINATION GAME? Who carried his team by himself to an all star with his one-man performance while leading his team to a 17-65 record while shooting 35% FG percentage? Kobe Bryant. Lebron James and Michael Jordan have never carried their team to a 60 loss season but because of how salty Kobe Bryant fans are they just don't accept the truth. Jordan is definitely better than Lebron James while Lebron james is DEFINITELY BETTER THAN KOBE BRYANT. I don't want to hear it, but you are JOKING that Lebron James is worse than kobe bryant stop making BIASED opinions. I mean, everyone says NBA players think Kobe is better than Lebron James and only the media likes Lebron James but look at the stats, 33 percent of NBA players think Lebron James is the goat to 6% for Kobe Bryant.
RIP Kobe we won't let your legacy die.
Amen! 🙏
Yes Sir. God bless 🙌
@@J.X.Sanchez777 ❤
Damn right we won't. R.I.P. Black Mamba
No disrespect but kobe ain’t better
It's funny how the guys who've played the game at that level have consistently said Kobe was better than Lebron but the media does everything to dismiss that.
It is “funny” and also infuriating
@@skap_attack exactly. They act as if Kobe was some nobody and they conveniently omit the fact the real debate back then was Kobe v Mike.
@@SneakerShopTalk Kobe’s statistics in hindsight are not overly impressive looking now. For a number of reasons. Firstly he wasn’t a starter his first 2 full seasons. His first 3 seasons, he only averaged 13 points per game on 10 shots per game. His last 3 years were severely compromised because of injury. Look at the 14 year in between tho he was as prolific a scorer as anyone ever. Unfortunately those 14 years were also the lowest scoring, slowest paced years in nba history. So that further depreciated his statistics. One thing that should be translatable to any era is his championships. But they even try to diminish those because “he had Shaq”. But curry had Durant, Kareem and Magic and vice versa, bird had Michale and Parish, Lebron had Kyrie, then AD and Wade and Bosh before it. There’s just such lack of consistency with how Kobe is treated.
@SneakerShopTalk media members are either paid actors or writers that never touched a basketball in their life let alone the fundamentals of the game itself. If they can disrespect Kobe n say he had Shaq n he ain't top 10 than we as fans the right to say lebron ain't top 10 cuz he cheated the game has been juicing up since the start of his career has been involved in over 80 trades since 2010 has been stacking his team has been giving the keys to the league to do as he feels
@@SilentMovements305 I have to believe you’re right and these guys are just running prewritten narratives out there. How else can you explain like 70% of all players who went against both saying Kobe is the superior player. And only like 5% of the media have Kobe even top 5? Something is not adding up here.
I remember watching an interview with Kobe. He blatantly told the world that he wasn't as much as gifted as the other players "physically" he said that his vertical was only 42, that his hands were big but not massive, he was quick but not insanely quick. He admitted himself had to rely on skill a lot more ,that he had to study the game a lot more. So to be able to accomplish all the accolades that he have is just mind-boggling. He may not be the best player ever but he will go down in history as the most skilled player to ever do it
Very well said 🙏❤️
only 42 is crazy
His vert was 38
MJ is objectively more skilled
@@noahhannon2305no. He was more physically gifted than Kobe. He wasnt more skilled. Kobe was a less athletic but more skilled version of mj. Smoother handles, better footwork, bigger bag. The major difference and why mj is better is he was more physically gifted. He was stronger, big frame, big hands and more athletic. Kobe was smooth, slippery, counter moves, unpredictable. Mj was less so but far more physically dominant
Damn. I miss Kobe
Me too.
@@skap_attack “Kobe Denver 2003” on google. That’s the guy you miss?
Frfr 💜💛💜
@@tune1464 🙏❤️🐍
Yeah he was a real one! Went back to watch those practices from when he was calling his whole team soft 😂 he was one of a kind man
I’ve been saying this for years. Just from the eye test alone. Kobe had a ridiculous bag and killer instinct.
Yes, yes and yes. All correct statements. The media and hot take nba Twitter is trying to lie to us about what we saw.
@@skap_attack MJ and Kobe man…them dudes were unreal. Tough, tough competitors and played the game the right way. They didn’t cheat the game. When the times were rough, they didn’t run to other teams. They wanted to beat the toughest competitors, not join them. They could do unbelievable things with the rock and you never had to question who was in charge when the game was on the line. We saw them with our own eyes. And this new generation wants us to forget what we saw and accept their pick as goat, simply because they weren’t alive to witness players that were better. What a awful time to witness, when lies trump truth daily. We live in a time when someone can tell you that the sky is red and if you don’t agree than you are attacked and ridiculed. Now they want us to believe that LeBron is better than MJ and Kobe. And if we don’t agree than we are “haters”. No, we are realists. I don’t hate LeBron or anyone for that matter. I just know he’s not better than them dudes and he never will be. But he’s still a great great player.
@@chicity78 perfectly said 👏. Couldn’t have said it any better. Lebron is a top 10 player undeniably in my opinion. I will admit he’s somewhere in the 4-9 range. Personally I have him outside of my top 5, but I understand the argument and respect the case for having him in that range. Just don’t call me a hater because I’ve been watching basketball for nearly 30 years now and have more perspective than someone who was born in the year 2000. It’s a crazy time to be alive.
Wow, 'Killer instinct'! It's so good it makes Kobe better than Lebron!🤣
@@danieldang3908 no. Winning more championships with less help, against harder competition and in fewer time makes Kobe better than Lebron.
True always . 23 followed by 24 not the fake 23 we have now . MJ and Kobe are one of a kind. GOATS.
Lmfao
@@locktar8723what is with MJ fans js dickriding Kobe and MJ? Like i never understood it😂
Gotten easier to watch some Kobe memories lately but still hard to believe he’s gone… RIPMamba.
❤
Word. I didnt watch any videos up until a few months ago and mid video my eyes start to fill up everytime. I was at staples center the day he played his last game and met him a week after….. 😢😢😢 ok im bout to cry…
Forever Kobe
Lol
Still haven't watched Jordan talk about him at his HOF speach, not ready.
Kobe did it with the Lakers (in one jersey). LeBron had to run all over the place to win LESS rings than The Black Mamba
Real talk
Kobe doesnt even reach 4 of his finals without shaq. Put lebron on the lakers 3 peat team and they win at least 5 rings. Lebron has only left teams that were lottery teams without him, and he never had a teammate even close to as good as shaq. Lebron has been to 3 different teams which I wouldn't call running all over the place, and he's been successful on every team he has been on
@@chadgsjbssbanaSo you're one of those that think Lebron did it himself. When he went to teams he joined D Wade and Kyrie and brought in the best stretch 4/5 in the game and added the best shooters in the world. Shaq dominated but you forget Kobe closed all those games because of Shaes poor FT shooting ability. Kobe did the same thing with Pau. Bron is amazing. He's a created player. But the NBA game is about footwork and fundies. And then you add competitive edge, MJ and Kobe edge everyone out. They are all great but if your child's life was on the line and you had one g to play, your picking MJ then the Mamba all day long or you don't love your kid 🤣🤣🤣
@@chadgsjbssbanaLebron doesn’t reach 4 of his finals without DWade. What’s you’re point?
@@Aaronedwardshalll in 2018 and 2007 he very much did it all by himself, but my point is that the teams that Lebron were in the finals with don’t make it to the finals without Lebron, but prime shaq was easily making it to the finals with or without kobe
When Jordan & Kobe played I recorded those marquee matchups, religiously! Watching Lebron’s career I never had that affinity to watch cause He never truly amazed me as a sport’s fan.
We must keep the truth about Kobe Bryant alive‼️💪🏾
I will never stop 🙏
Exactly
Nba desperately wants a new GOAT and they think brons best suited for it
Kobe is the Leonidas to Lebron's Xerxes 😂❤
@@JohnDoe-zw8vx AMAZING ANALOGY!!!
Yup
Just from the eyetest it's Kobe hands down...do ppl not notice Lebron has no bag?? Just the same right hand dunk over and over, terrible footwork (often travels), not an aesthetically pleasing jumpshot like Kobe, commits offensive fouls when he tries to get to get shots off AT THE RIM instead of the difficulty of shots Kobe made over multiple defenders, plus Kobe competed in and WON the slam dunk contest Lebron has always been too scared to even compete I'm done with this
All of those are very good points lol. I personally just think of the fact Kobe went out of his way to lessen the supporting case he had while Lebron has gone out of his way to enhance his. Kobe has played tougher competition and won more. Never understood the case for Lebron in the top 2 spots. Wilt chamberlain was as decorated individually than Lebron. In all honesty, much more so. But he’s never been in the goat conversation. Because he was a loser in the finals. So too is Lebron
@@skap_attackfacts!!!!
Amen! Don't forget the defense Kobe played and the fact that in the Olympics and World championships Lebron is the biggest loser in the history of USA basketball. Without Kobe he would have never won the Olympics.
@@shinyhappyshibas1385 I agree with every word of that 😂🙏❤️🐍
I say this all the time. Lebrons game is bland as fuck. His shot is ugly and robotic looking. He's like a mini dwight howard when he shoots. Kobe is way more skilled and knowledgeable as a player.
Allen Iverson’s “Question” of
“What they forgot?”
Will always live rent free in my head 😂 He was dead a** serious too
Ai is #3 in my top 5
I definitely remember AI
@@Bmichelle41 Wtf
The LeMedia wants Kobe erased from History to help James .. is sad
Sad and pathetic. 🐍 > 👑
ya lebum played in his rookie n barely got injured travelling flopping crying at the ref
-Kobe🙏didn't play as a starting 5, 4 yrs got bench n
-Kobe 🙏 got ACL injured 4 yrs through at the end of his career.
-Kobe 🙏could have passed all time scoring list if he played those 8 years
@@obitoxshinobi8978 Kobe DID have a depreciated first 2 and last 3 seasons. It’s undeniable. Looking at the 15 years in between he posted around a 29 point per game scoring average and was easily one of the 3 greatest scorers ever along with Wilt and Jordan. Has he load managed himself more he could have played till 40 and been the all time leading scorer instead of Lebron.
@@skap_attack yes🙏
@@skap_attack kwame brown said lebron has no go to move., hes spot on..every other player that was in the goat convo since the 70s has either one to three goto moves...
how can lebron be the goat and he doesnt even have one goto move
THANK YOU YOU A REAL ONE # SINCERELY FROM A KOBE FAN
Thank you so much for the kind words 🙏. Watched very moment of Kobe’s career. I’ll never stop trying to spread the word on the Mamba. Too many people these days trying to forget.
It's not about whether you a kobe fab or not how many times jordan out of his mouth that jordan would take kobe over lebron what does that tell you
@@jimmycharlotin7050 you’re absolutely right.
"Kobe is the closest thing to Mike...and is there somebody close to Kobe? No."
Kobe > lebron.
NO DOUBT.
Lebron > Kobe > MJ
@@MARZOSIRUS bahahaha 💀 😂
Jordan > Kareem > Kobe > Bron
@skap_attack Jordan won against bums or old players.
Lebron beat possibly the all time great teams and is still going.
If Lebron gets 6 all arguments will be over.
MJ couldn't even make it 20 years.
Kobe played 20 but didn't match Lebron stat wise.
@@MARZOSIRUS LeBron has played less 50+ win opponents than Jordan and substantially less than Kobe. Lebron has faced a 50+ win opponent 53% of his playoff career. Jordan played 50+ win teams 73% of the time, and Kobe played a 50 plus win team a staggering 86% of the time. Also, lebron played 400 more games than Jordan and counting. He played 100 more games than Kobe. Also, LeBron has played with more all stars per year to make it to his finals than Kobe and many more than Jordan. All of that to win less than either. It's not close, at all.
I wanted Kobe with the fro to destroy everyone for years and years without ever loosing that fro. As soon as it was gone I missed it lol.
RIP.
Lmao I loved afro Kobe too. Afro Kobe definitely looked the coolest. Moustache Kobe looked the scariest though.
I'm so tired of everyone saying LeBron is #2 all time. It's just constant propaganda, constant comparisons, constant promotion from the media. 90% of it based on stats.
It’s about stats plus fulfilling the medias own hype of Lebron at the very beginning of his career. The media love to be “right”. They starting hyping this dude up when he was a junior in HS. Every moment in the NBA for him has been all about them helping him to fulfill that bs legacy.
@@skap_attack The NBA and sports media has gutted what it means to be a champion in order to boost up LeBron. It used to be a sign of virtue to grow from loss and learn how to win. Now it's cool to quit, go somewhere else and stack your team to guarantee a win. It used to be a sign of virtue to take responsibility and work hard to get better. Now it's cool to throw your teammates under the bus. It used to be a sign of virtue to be the rock onto which the team builds a champion. Now it's cool to whine then leave when things aren't perfect. It used to be a sign of virtue to play hard every game of the regular season as a sign of respect to the organization and the fans and to build chemistry with the team. Now it's cool to make bullsh*t excuses not to play. Players used to hate losing, now it's become cool to "get there". Players used to play for the love of the game. Now they play for stats and "legacy". I hate the NBA now because it abandoned the qualities of a real man, a real leader and a real champion to mimic the feminine qualities of mama's boy LeBron James. The NBA has abandoned it's responsibility to teach young men virtue and instead virtue-signals and teaches them the process doesn't matter. Just win and create the narrative you want. Both the NBA and the mainstream sports media has SUFFERED in the hands of LeBron James. As a result, the league has attracted an attention-seeking, superficial, stats-obsessed, legacy-obsessed, blame-shifting, player-idolizing, team-disregarding fan base that shares the same qualities as LeBron James. And we're all the worst for it.
@@TayGee-mh8eo very well said and I agree with you. Every era of this sports history-for better or worse-was held to the same standard. “Ring culture”. Of course it’s all about the ring and winning. What else would it be about? Until we reached this era where the media has had to hoist up and coddle a loser. That’s when rings became a “team achievement”. Bull shit. It was always a commentary of INDIVIDUAL excellence until this era.
@@skap_attack And they diminished winning by acting as if ring culture is only about rings. It was NEVER only about rings. It was about the process. It was about fighting, getting better and finally overcoming. It was never just about ring counting but generally speaking we're going to have more admiration for a guy that climbed a mountain 6 times over a guy that did it only twice. Of course, context means everything so just winning 6 rings does not automatically make you better than a guy that won less if the guy that won less had more to overcome. But that's the point. Let's get into the context and weigh the evidence on both sides. But for LeBron, the context is thrown out and we are forced to discuss the most superficial discussions outside 4th grade. It's why we are still discussing whether LeBron is the GOAT 20 years into his career. If he was the GOAT, it wouldn't take 20 years for us dumb-dumbs to figure it out! But since they have boiled everything down to ring counts and stats, LeBron is still in the running. They have dumbed down the conversation. Also this -- because this is the most important thing for me: For generations, sports was a metaphor for life. Work hard, overcome your foes and challenges and learn how to win. Now those things have been thrown out the window. Now all we talk about is legacy. Not maturation. Not overcoming. Not perseverance. Every damn night it's a discussion on legacy based on (in most cases, manufactured) stats. Most of these guys don't actually like playing and it shows. Most of these guys aren't true competitors and it shows. They don't learn their craft. They have the same weaknesses and tendencies they had five years ago. They're on they're 3rd or 4th team. The NBA is full of young boys trying to impress the social media instead of men working hard to overcome whatever challenges are placed before them.
@@TayGee-mh8eo damn. Again, couldn’t possibly agree anymore. Sports is a metaphor. To me it was always about “the heroes” journey. Where, as you said, our protagonists have to overcome challenges and obstacles-both internal and external forces. And this is the important part for me, the harder the challenges, the more extreme the challenges obstacles, the greater the individual becomes. The hero is only as good as the villain allows. That’s why I’ve never liked Lebron. He sidesteps obstacles. He goes out of his way to make it as easy as possible. And it’s not just Lebron, as you said, it’s mainly this entire generation. There are only few examples of players that want to take on the hardships and challenges. And unfortunately many of them aren’t great enough to overcome. Think a video is needed on this lol.
Kobe is baby Jordan point blank period. Them two individuals was from another planet. Media has been trying to brainwash the new generation that Lebron is better than Kobe. But TRU basketball fans know the Truth. Kobe was unstoppable and relentless.. 🕊️R.i.p Kobe & Gi Gi
100%! People who saw it, saw it. Just ludicrous shit narratives going around after the fact. “Duncan was the best player in the 2000s”? “Lebron was passed Kobe in 2007”? Come on. How can anyone expect those of us who really watched that time to believe these lies? I saw Kobe cooking people nightly in an nba where nightly league wide scoring was in the mid 90s. AND he played on the other end of the floor too. SMH. Just so much disrespectful shit going around these days.
Sorry, but The Mamba wasn't "baby" ANYBODY!!!
@@skap_attack I've been watching the NBA since 1979, so I DID see it. And Lebron definitely didn't pass Kobe by '07 but Duncan WAS the best player of the 2000's.
@@mj23goat3 totally disagree. Honestly I don’t think it’s particularly close.
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4 finals mvps, 4 league mvps, nba all time leading scorer ain’t got nothing to do w/a ‘narrative’ it’s just the way it is
I think the media just compare LeBron to MJ because they want clicks and views. Thank you for making this video :) I had the same observation over the years that NBA legends always picked Kobe over LeBron
My favourite NBA player of all time. RIP KOBE!
Mine too. Mamba forever 🙏❤️🐍
Kobe Denver 2003. That’s your favorite player?
Mines too brother 💪🏾 🏀
@@longbeachmaumba7059 💜💛🐍
when Kobe was taken, I didn't talk to anyone for 3 days. I knew what really happened...and real ballers know Kobe will forever be better than Lebron, no matter what the media tries to force on us.
MJ = GOAT
Kobe = Goat
Lebron = NBA hype
Amen. And I hear you brother. I skipped work for 3 days after Kobe passed. Still can’t believe it. I got choked up even editing this video. He may be gone, but he’ll never be forgotten. Like you said, those of us who know…will always know. Kobe will always be on basketballs Mount Rushmore.
@@skap_attack Yes sir! 👍👍
😂😂😂 u know how stupid u sound lebron james is 10x the superstar kobe will ever be😂 tell me wat kobe has done besides get carried by shaq
Mj is overrated always getting hyped up by all the old heads😅 cmon bruh KING JAMES ON TOP 🤴 👑 🦁 🤴 👑
@@kosiekemiri Lebron James is not on top lol.
Kobe Bryant was MUCH better than lebron
Yup WAYYYY better why do ppl even compare them? Lebron isn’t even TOP 20
@@SalRubino82how?
He won 4 chips 4 finals mvps most points scored been dominate since day 1 top 10 in assists top 20 in rebounds and top 20 or 30 in blocks and steals no disrespect Kobe is better but Lebron is top 3
Kobe isn’t even top 5 yet alone the best player on his team yet alone better than lebron😭🤣
O@@Krazyfrm18thstreeton another comment you said he was top 5
@@GlenDeaton no I didn’t. Kobe is a top 10 player definitely not top 5 tho and definitely not Lebron or Jordan
Kobe is better than lebron. I don’t know why these fools keep trying to put him ahead of this man like they keep forgetting how good this dude really was
I try to tell myself that people just forgot. But honestly this ridiculousness was happening when Kobe was still playing. I’ve never understood it, and I never will.
If the lakers need a basket to win a game, Kobe came through, lebron half the time never would take the last shot, and when he does, he misses
@@randyware9645but stats says other wise
@raywilson3362 you mean Lebrons 17% FG in clutch moments?
@@christophergibson3846 That’s funny 17% shooting in clutch situations, leFLOP fans want to run to his side to protect him, but they can’t defend a career worth of botched SHOTS!!!
I was never a Kobe fan, but he was great to watch. It was like people in the late 80s and in the 90s hating MJ, but recognized how great he was. Today, people seems to be so hypersensitive about sports today. I can tell people that MJ is the GOAT to me, while not ripping apart or tearing down another player's accomplishments. The only regret I have about Kobe when he played, is that I didn't appreciate him more for what he did for the game. I loved his talent and how tenacious he was on the court. I appreciate this video, because the players spoke for themselves on who they believe was greater. They brought a component to this conversation: experience! Something you can't quantify with analytics.
The mindset Kobe had was second to none. He and Jordan are the greatest competitors I’ve ever seen in the sport. And Kobe’s “bag” as the kids say today, in my opinion, exceeded Jordan’s. MJ was more physically gifted, and certainly more accomplished. He was definitely the GOAT, and likely always will be. But Kobe got as close as anyone ever will.
@@skap_attack I agree with that! It's funny to me how, people are considered the GOAT based on advanced analytics. However, when you put Kobe, MJ, Wilt and other all-time greats stats into advanced analytics. It hurt their arguments even more! We need more channels like your's. I enjoyed the humor elements, but I appreciate even more the irrefutable facts that you display.
Kobe’s career avg is 44% FG vs LBJ avg 50% , Kobe Rode the pine as a rookie vs LBJ’s ROY, Kobe 2x FMVP vs Lbj 4x FMVP, Kobe 1 mvp vs lbj 4 MVP’s, Kobe’s career pts 33k vs lbj pts 39k both played 20yrs ! This isn’t even close LBJ is way better than Kobe! Kobe 25,5,4 vs Lbj 27,7,7 no debate!
@@terrencealexander6811Those stats aren’t that relevant. Kobe is 5-2 in the finals while having less all star teammates, while Lebron is 4-6. Who’s the better scorer? Kobe has 2 scoring titles while Lebron only has 1, despite playing in the league longer. Kobe made all defensive team 12 times compared to Lebron’s 6. Compared to Jordan, these two aren’t in the same league analytically speaking. However, as you have seen, Kobe is held in higher regards than Lebron, and I’ll always take Kobe over Bron because of his killer instinct. Also things like total points like you mentioned are irrelevant because they are about longevity, when the question of who is best is about peaks.
@@noahhannon2305 And some nba players personally loved Kobe so their opinions are bias but the numbers don’t lie Kobe wasn’t even close to being better than lbj! Lbj could guard 1-4 unlike Kobe just pg’s and sg’s
The ending was a beautiful touch.❤
Those words from Kobe in the end... man... I got goosebumps. Legend.
Almost made me tear up. Rest in peace Kobe. We’ll never forget everything you gave to the game and the fans
Like when did Bron become better than Bird, Magic? What year exactly
Ohhhh around 2006, I think it was. About 2 years into his career when the media decided to start propping up the narrative.
I don't think he is.
Lebron is not better Magic and Bird. These medias are something else. Magic won his first championship as a rookie carry a Lakers team. Magic was always a winner. Bird like Magic is also a winner and the worst trash talker. Lebron could never guard against Bird. Bird would make Lebron cry in the first five mins in the game.
@@tjc2993 ultimately I will never have someone with a losing record in my top 5. Wilt was the most dominant player ever with 30, 22 and 4 career averages and 4 league MVPs. Will never have him in my top 5 due to that 2-4 record in the finals. I view bron much of the same way at 4-6.
@@skap_attack I really wanna hear this answer from a bron fan! Supposedly he passed MJ in 2016
I loved that last bit. It was an honor to watch him grow into that man, he was not humble when he began. I’ll always look up to him, greatness.
Lebron doesn't make his teammates better. He just gets 2 other top players in the league at the time. To play with him. He runs to them from team to team.
Correct. And yet, he’s still won less than Kobe.
@Skap Attack With more healthy seasons and seasons overall as well and still wasnt the winner or defender Kobe was.
@@VigilanteWilliamson absolutely. People will say “Kobe played 20 seasons”. But he ruptured his Achilles at the end of year 17, had another season ending injury in year 18 and another one in year 19.
And also scapegoats said teammates when it doesn’t work out.
@@biancazavala7529 yep. Typical Lebron script.
What Kobe said at the end is 100% fire. Both him and Mike really is a good ambassador for the sport. Unlike Lebum who always say me me me me.
Yeah, nothin' says "ambassador of the game" better than raping some chick.
Lebron cares more about his fans than the damn sport, MJ retired 3 times because it was getting "too hard for him" Bron would've never done that.
@@SquiDy-tq2eylmfaoo we putting people on a pedestal for retiring 3x now 💀😂😂
That is absolutely ridiculous… lebron is a perfect ambassador for the sport. Jordan was a colossal asshole and I won’t speak on Kobe but ifykyk
All Kobe needed was Shaq and Gasol to produce 5 rings. Lebron needed Irvine, Love, DWade, Bosh and Brow to produce 4. Lebron got more help and yet won less. It's clear Kobe was better.
To me, there’s absolutely zero debate to be had here. The difference in the eye test between Kobe and leflop is so stark that it’s simply impossible to ignore. People love to look at stats in these matters, but that’s just abusing numbers without context in order to represent your opinion as being objectively based in fact. The reason that’s flawed is because you can’t compare two different seasons, let alone different eras of the game. Different players have different luck, different rules, different opposition, different sports science, etc. and it’s shortsighted for someone to think they could account for all of those countless differences and use numbers to provide a truly apples-to-apples comparison. That’s why I believe that at the end of the day, this really just comes down to the eye test, as well as received opinions. Instead of forming their own view based on watching a player, people seem like they’re becoming more and more satisfied to just receive their opinion from whoever repeats it the most. If every viewer of basketball had to watch one random full Jordan game and one random full Lebron game a day for a year, virtually all of them would come out of that year with the view that Jordan is easily better.
“Their is no one closer to kobe”!!! Shaq knows what his talking about!
find the other video of him saying Lebron is the GOAT LMAO
Thank you for not being mum about Kobe's greatness. The media is keen on forgetting about Kobe, let alone tarnishing his name, to elevate LeBron.
I have been choking on these lies for 20 years in real time. I’m all about doing my small amount to expose them. I have MUCH more planned on Kobe 🙏
@@skap_attack that's great news! You've earned a supporter in this bloke, good sir.
@@skap_attack I'm a lebron fan but I don't think he's better than jordan and could see an argument for either of them taking the #1 spot, but I don't think kobe comes close to either really. Kobe doesn't win those rings without shaq, but shaq could have won those rings without kobe. You could say lebron doesn't win the rings without wade( which he has) or kyrie (who wasn't even all NBA from 2015-17) or even AD, but none of those teams even come close to a finals without lebron. After lebron left Cleveland in 2018, they went from a finals team to one of the worst in the league, and the same thing happened with the heat after lebron left. After Shaq left, the Kobe led lakers didn't even make the play In tournament.
@@chadgsjbssbana I think Kobe could have come to the East from 1996 to 2013 when he destroyed his Achilles. Playing in that poop conference Lebron was in from 2003-2018, Kobe could have won 6-8 titles without Shaq if he just stayed on the hornets who drafted him. That my opinion. If Lebron never left cleveland? I think he’s maybe have 1 or 2. MAYBE. That’s my opinion. You’re welcome to yours. I have mine. Mine was formed from watching the entirety of both of their career live while also spending countless years studying all other eras.
@@skap_attack you should address Kobe Denver 2003
MJ=>KOBE>REST OF THE NBA!
Facts!!
agreed 💯
Kobe better than mj
You writing a function in js or just bad at characters?
MJ was better than Kobe. Not by much, but in a fantasy draft I would take Jordan.
love the ending. Nice touch
Lebron shouldn't even be in the discussion but they've tricked the masses into it
Much of that is longevity. Similar to Kareem.
@@Amick44 lebron has way better longevity tho. kareem was barely holding on in his last couple of years but lebron is still putting up crazy numbers
@@avashmaharjan3460everyone puts up big numbers in this sorry league
@@paranoia_xoit’s not about longevity it’s about efficiency
When Lebron retires the media will stop talking about him just like they did Kobe. They will push someone else in the spot light against MJ like Giannis, Jokic, or Luka. They have to use a current player so they can have their daily topics. And then there will be young tiktok kids who haven’t even started watching basketball yet saying you don’t know ball if you think MJ, Kobe, or LBJ is the goat 😂
Funny how nba players who competed against MJ, Kobe, and Lebron, they always say MJ and Kobe. As a true Lakers fan, I have always said that Kobe is not better than MJ. Kobe is the closest the MJ, but MJ is the best in the game. I don’t even put Kobe as the best Lakers, in my opinion, KAJ is top on my list. Magic is never considered but he won his first championship as rookie and he was carrying the Lakers. Mind you, I’m also a Kobe fan. I tried be fair and impartial. Lebron is not better than Kobe period.
Kobe is my favorite athlete (not just basketball player) and one of my favorite people ever. I saw him play in person when he was in HS, and I was in the building, staples center, for Kobe’s last game ever when he dropped 60 on the jazz. I do have Kobe on my Mount Rushmore. But with all of that said, I have Jordan and Kareem definitively above Kobe. And likely Bill Russell too. But I go back and forth on that 3/4 line.
@@skap_attack It’s alright! There was so many great players. It’s annoying when they put Lebron above them.
@@tjc2993 Kobe fans are typically well versed in history. We can generally critique other all time greats and admit when we another player is above him. Lebron fans are not like that. Their guy MUST be number one. If not, you’re a hater. It’s ridiculous.
@@skap_attack You saw his career from HS to pro. Very cool! Compare to me who saw him in his rookie season as a young whipper snapper and being one of the best. I wish I saw him in HS.
@@tjc2993 I was too young to see most of Jordan’s career. The only seasons I really remember was his last 2 with the bulls (ring 5 & 6) and then his two wizards seasons which I don’t really count. But I saw the entirety of Kobe’s and lebrons careers. That’s why I feel so strongly about this topic lol.
Thank you for this it’s so true I miss Kobe.
MJ #1 then Kobe #2 and Lebron somewhere in the top 3-7 and that is the legit no bias tops list.💯💯💯
Kobe is not over lebron lol
I don’t think there’s another player who’s so drastically ranked differently from players to media and to the fans.
Kobe was player, IMO, that you needed to watch and have an understanding of the game to truly appreciate his impact.
Stats tell one side of the story, film tells you the other side
I agree. And also take his numbers and put them in era specific context.
@@skap_attack Lebron played in the same era that kobe won two of his rings in and still had better numbers than kobe. Also kobe doesn't even reach 4 of his finals without shaq.
@@chadgsjbssbanalol lebron didn’t win rings until the 2010s that’s not the same era as the 2000s dead ball era of slow paced basketball, lebron couldn’t even get to the finals and when he did he got swept, he had to form superteams just to get win a chip and d wade said in his latest interview with KG they formed a superteam cause of kobe and the celtics 😂😂. stop with this narrative that kobe has 4 because of shaq, THEY have 4 because of each other, kobe even averaged more points and led in more categories than shaq in the playoffs, use your brain for once and stop following these false narratives 😂😂 casual. he went to 3 straight without shaq as well. y’all try so hard to downplay kobe’s greatness
@@duckboy5725 He was in the finals in 2007. Use facts before you say something.
And got swept
Thank you very much for making this video, especially at a time when "experts" like Stephen A. Smith, Shannon Sharpe, etc... are doing their best to erase Kobe from people's memories.
Kobe was valued A LOT higher (maybe overvalued) until he died. For some reason after that, the media flipped on him and I'd suspect it has to do with Queen James.
Kobe Stay in one team
100%, that's why the media is trying to add in longevity into the GOAT debate so that Queen James can have a category other greats don't 😂
nah he's been undervalued after 2011 in favor of akron boy
It’s actually the complete opposite. 🤦🏼♂️
Kobe’s career has always been overrated & it’s even more overrated NOW that he’s dead.
@@acason4but We’re gonna take your word over all time greats LMAO 🤦🏻♂️
It's interesting 'cause I feel like Bird also gets overlooked a lot in these debates. I haven't seen him play, I wasn't alive during that basketball era. But what do you think lacks with Larry Bird and why he gets overlooked? 'Cause I feel like mentally, he's the same as Kobe and Jordan, he just has that killer mentality.
I’m a bit older than you, but you’re exactly right. MJ, Kobe, and Bird were cut from the same cloth. Absolute killers and apex predators. Lebron just doesn’t have that 5th gear in the final minutes of the big games
You're both 100% correct 💯. Most of this stuff comes from the sports media..
Bird was that guy. Everyone has bird in their top 7. He is cut from the same cloth as Kobe and mj fasho. Bird just didn’t have the health or genetics. He wasn’t as athletic as Kobe or mj, and he wasn’t great on defense like Kobe and mj, he was good but not great. But bird is def in my top 5
We will keep missing this guy untill the rest of our life.
the disrespect is real ….they were talking about him until he died … now it’s like he never existed
Kobe once said in an interview - just because you pass the ball doesn’t mean you make players better
That’s exactly what Lebrun does he makes great plays love was a bad shot chucker and was inefficient Lebron by far is a better all around player
@@Beanz06 - love was bad?? 🤦♂️, so what happened during 2007-2010?? What happened in 2019? Oh right, players are only “better” if they’re already stars 🤦♂️ it’s a shame the media disliked Kobe….if he was liked like LBJ, the picture would’ve been VERY different.
Kobe played BOTH ends of the floor, LBJ only plays ONE side ie OFFENSE.
Imagine being so great that the NBA had to intercept a trade as it would disrupt LBJ’s chance of winning chips 🤷♂️
@@Beanz06just cause he makes great plays doesn’t mean it’s the right play and also Kobe is more clutch and efficient in the clutch. There was a video based on stats in the last 5 mins of a game down by 5 that show Kobe is far better then bron on the biggest stages.
Yea Kobe said stupid things sometimes! He should’ve passed the ball more he was a 44% career FG SG! SMH that’s horrible
@@terrencealexander6811 - yea and LBJ says stupid things and do stupid things ALL the time….dumb tatt, calling himself GOAT, passing the ball when he is right next to the basket, taking ridiculous 3pt shots when he is shocking from beyond the line, can’t shoot FT if his life depended on it, forcing his wife to call him GOAT etc etc 🤷♂️🤦♂️🤪
Like Allen Iverson said, Kobe's my guy. Kobe was the real deal. When Lebron could succeed at the Olympic games, Kobe had to come set the record straight with a Gold. Kobe made Lebronze a LeGold.
He was picked 13, so he wasnt a golden boy, he had to earn that starting role and impress coaches through sheer work.
Lebron was picked 1 so he had more pressure
Kobe and his teammates shared that coach Del Harris had a thing against kobe but his teammates and players around kobe new he was ready for real playing time. Imagine if kobe first two years he wasn't being held back?
@williamwitte9600 lebron didn't have pressure to win in Cleveland. Nobody expected him to win there. Only expectations for him were to getchis stats. If you play for bigger better markets. Your expectations raise up a bit.
@@williamwitte9600Not as much pressure that it takes to play for the number 1 team in basketball.
@@adamc1667not just a bit way higher 👌🏾
The actual sad part is that it has gotten to the point where people have to say “no disrespect to bron” before they say that they believe someone is ahead of him.
The first thing I've seen today, n it already is the best 8 minutes of my day
Thank u for this!
It’s ALWAYS been Kobe over bron. Let’s be clear.
More accomplished while playing
More mature. More skilled. Wanted to keep improving as opposed to winning by diluting the conference… Kobe was different!
Even w the similarities to Jordan…Kobe was 1of1!
You will always be a legend to the real ones! We miss you!
Mamba eternal!
You forgot something, kobe was a better actor too. Oh, he's also a better activist since he was willing to do things for the community without the cameras and actually be on the street, as in the hood and walk with the working people.
RIP 🙏 gone but never forgotten 🐍
you also forgot that kobe cheated on his wife and kids with a stripper and openly admitted to it
You are funny bruh...No one and I mean no one started a lot of anything until Bron opened the school in Cleveland. I can't.....bruh
@@louisdavis6432 what! Now that's a Homer statement. Plenty of athletes has school way before lebrons ie jalen rose, dion etc. so calm down with the whitewashed history. And go tell lebron to pay for his school and not take the taxes from the people that should be going to public schools of that area.
The reason Kobe gets left out of the conversation was the incident in Colorado tarnished his image with the media. They never praised him the same after that because it would be brought up and attached to the NBAs brand. His gameplay made him undeniable until his retirement. Him being not here anymore shouldnt take him out of the conversation either.
It’s exactly the reason why kobe didn’t win at least won more mvp. Let’s call it what it is.
Easily could have retired with 3 but it is what it is
What conversation?
Of course, at least 3 MVP went to MJ and Shaq. NBA disrespected him before and after 2003, one because they did not want MJ23 to retire and after the colorado incident broke his image. But Kobe demonstrated against MJ and Lebron he can beat them in various ocasions, just watching 1998 All star game performance level God and MVP for MJ is disrepectful. MJ and Shaq knows well about all this awards deviations. 2003 last MJ All star game and season he could not against Bryant on fire till the last match 29/03/2003 Airness completely destroned but MVP for Kevin Garnett?. And in 2006 best KB year told by everybody snd MVP for Steve Nash? Completely a joke. NBA hostory should be reviewed or MVP post mortems should be created in order to respect this tremendous player
@@romagnuslarsson7065 💯
No he gets left out because he was a career 44% FG player! Only 1 mvp , only 2 fmvp , and robe the pine as a rookie! Kobe is so overrated! Great kicks tho
Kobe Bryant doesn't care about who's GOAT he just care about winning and that's he's mentality Mamba mentality
💯🛎️
MJ and Kobe never said they were the GOAT it was given, LBJ brand himself as the GOAT that's delusional.what LBJ did was a great and awesome accomplishment but we all know and don't lie to yourself LBJ is not top 5
@@bengoku1978 Kobe easily clears Lebron. Anyone who watched all of both of their careers knows this.
Iverson approves ! This aged well
Miss watching all this players play
Me too
Great video. I regularly have to check Lebron minions over the ridiculous drivel they speak against Kobe and MJ. And I always will.
I love that! Been doing it for going on 20 years now 😂. And just like you, I always will 🙏. I been hitting a lot of Lebron content lately. I have a few Kobe pieces I’m planning to do tho. Thanks for watching. I appreciate it 🙏
@@skap_attack Hey, I'm subbed now so I will be watching. That Last Choke video was an absolute masterpiece. And all facts. I'm going to recommend it to the Lebron stans tomorrow in the video chat I go to. 😂
Thank you for sharing this.
My pleasure! Thank you for watching 🙏❤️
Awesome take on kobe. This man is my inspiration 😢❤
Lebron doesn't have the mental toughness on an MJ or Kobe. He literally gave up on his team more than once.
That ending quote by Kobe is everything
It never fails, "he makes his teammates better" always preceeds, "he needs more help"
He’s the Aaron Rodgers of the NBA
That's funny because when Kobe was an embarrassment to the game after Shaq let you didn't have that energy.
I’m 41, and in my lifetime the top 3 are Jordan, Kobe, Lebron. I’ll never change my mind until I’m gone. I’ll never see better in my lifetime, and that’s the order. 🏀
What do you think about Anthony Edwards and Luka ?
Kobe’s game was driven by passion…Lebron’s game is driven by stats…
I really feel like LeBron ask you played really simple in Miami and when he came back to Cleveland
your saying lebron doesn't have a passion for the game? hes been a top 10 and 15 player every year hes played at least. Some years was the best player in the league as well. bron avoided all the distractions in his career and focused on the game, thats how hes been able to play so well when hes so old. he has the best longevity ever in the nba. kobe had more passion but u cant say lebron had no passion
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Okay ? passion doesn’t mean shit 😂 a player can have passion for the game and still suck
@@briansanchez9663 If you watched Kobe’s game and didn’t see the difference in passion in say his game and James Harden’s for example, then I doubt you even watch or like basketball. Passion and intensity matters man, that’s why the Greats elevate their game in crucial moments, they are extremely passionate about their craft.
Kobe took the Lakers Franchise to 5 championships. Bron had to leave Cleveland just to become better.
Absolutely correct.
The Lakers were already a playoff team that signed Shaq that same year. Kobe fanboys pretend that he built the Lakers. They weren't bad until after Shaq left
@@melvynsngltn27exactly and shaq was the driving force no doubt as great as kobe was for 3 of his 5 chips meanwhile Cleveland was a mediocre franchise
Thank you! Tired of hearing LeBron over Kobe, let alone LeBron over MJ.
Lol your dad know Lebron>kone
@@midunhendrawan1913 and they both know ur momma
Kobe isn't better than LeBron at all
@@user-br2gi8kh5s Kobe would have won the game with Denver
@@hughjaynus4374 Not at age 39 🤣
Kobe just transcendent the game.
I feel so lucky being in Southern California being able to watch all of his games... It's unfortunate that we took it for granted the buzzer beaters when you thought the game was over it time and time and time again...
I've never seen so many people in the NBA and in football name their child Kobe. I've never seen the WNBA still praising Kobe. His motivational speeches were another level and this just goes to show you when you practice hard and work hard. People know the real players know the media or LeBron's jock sniffers. I wouldn't be surprised if they were on his payroll...
Kobe’s career avg is 44% FG vs LBJ avg 50% , Kobe Rode the pine as a rookie vs LBJ’s ROY, Kobe 2x FMVP vs Lbj 4x FMVP, Kobe 1 mvp vs lbj 4 MVP’s, Kobe’s career pts 33k vs lbj pts 39k both played 20yrs ! This isn’t even close LBJ is way better than Kobe! Kobe 25,5,4 vs Lbj 27,7,7 no debate!
@@terrencealexander6811 there's a lot of LeBron. James jock sniffers out there. Most of them are advertising fake news, but it's okay free speeches free speech 🤣😂
@@Damone2020 lol you’re a clown so facts and stats are irrelevant because they don’t support your overrated poor shooting (44%fg) shooting guard!
What an inspiration & an absolute legend. 24 was the GOAT #MambaForever
Gone but never forgotten. Legends never die 🙏❤️🐍
Kobe Denver 2003
RIP Legend...My GOAT!!!
Both Michael and Kobe played in the era of big men, where 250 pound monsters were allowed to mutilate you. Both of them had to pull out real magic to score at their level.
LeBron played / plays in a different era, where superstars get extra help from refs, media members iron all your flaws out and regular role players rather don't play any defense so that they don't foul out in the first quarter.
However great LeBron is, his career is inflated. If he played in the era, when superstars couldn't simply blackmail their GMs, fire coaches, fire their bench and change teams whenever juicier budget appears somewhere - chances are, he would end up like Charles Barkley. Appreciated, remembered, but with zero titles.
Lebron averaged 30 in 2005, wtf r u talking abt? Or did the soft era start right as lebron entered the league? Because if that’s the case then Kobe’s only fmvps are illegitimate.
Best comment of all time eras make a difference. Jordan and Kobe now would average 50
@@stayrich3027 No they wouldn't, that's idiocy. Kobe literally played until 2016 and was in his prime in the late 2000s/early 2010s, so that's a dumbass thing to say in general.
Kobe’s career avg is 44% FG vs LBJ avg 50% , Kobe Rode the pine as a rookie vs LBJ’s ROY, Kobe 2x FMVP vs Lbj 4x FMVP, Kobe 1 mvp vs lbj 4 MVP’s, Kobe’s career pts 33k vs lbj pts 39k both played 20yrs ! This isn’t even close LBJ is way better than Kobe! Kobe 25,5,4 vs Lbj 27,7,7 no debate!
@@Tyler-kr8vp Kobe's prime year was 03 kid! He said that himself. All his skills polished by that time on top of crazy athletic ability before his knee injury the next year.
When did lebron pass Duncan, Shaq, and Kobe all of which played in the same era ?
Kobe vs Duncan in the playoffs 4-2
Lebron vs Duncan in the playoffs 1-2 (and Duncan wasn't even the finals MVP in any other those finals) lol
Lebron is better than Tim duncan
Shouldn’t have even been a conversation.
Kobe never flopped
King Kobe. 🤴🏾
Finally someone who’s telling the truth about Kobe being a top 2 player of all time.
Many thanks for supporting the channel AND the late, GREAT Kobe Bryant. I very much appreciate you ❤️🙏
@@skap_attackwe done with the 90s bro. MOVE ON
Much respect to you Skap Attack for this one...funny because both LBJ & Kobe grew up idolizing MJ...one has the utmost respect & recognizes him as the superior player...the other knows this as well but leverages the media to elevate him more than he should be & feed his narcists ways 👈💯#gmrecognizegm
You'd say the same about mj if he was in brons era. Be real
@@mmiittcchh32well no surprise here another fan boy talking talking "what ifs" and not facts 👈💯 #growUP
I’ve been tryna find out when bron jumped Kobe all time since like 2016. Bron went from like barely or borderline out of top 10 to goat overnite it’s crazy
I mean he didn’t really deserve the rookie of the year award. He then won 2 league MVPs in the trash ass East when he was in his early 20s while Kobe was in the stacked west winning the one seed and ultimately championships. The media just have loved Lebron from the word go. They’ve been promoting that narrative for 20 years now.
@@skap_attack and Kobe beat every team that beat brons. Dominates the spurs that swept him in ‘08, magic in ‘09 and celts in ‘10. He was better than bron until 2012 imo. And your spot on, that was Melos roty and the East was ridiculously week during brons finals run. I mean are the Indiana pacers, Atlanta hawks, and raptors supposed to compare to Kobe’s western conference runs? Once again your channel is a hidden gem, love how you debunk these media myths and give underrated players their flowers
@@boxtalk2254 completely agree with you. Kobe was the best player in the NBA till 2012 in my opinion. Fan boys and the media like to act as if Lebron was the best player in the nba from 2007-now 😂. He’s not even the best player on his team currently.
And thanks for joining the channel! 🙏
Clearly none of you have brain cells so I won't even keep going but do u honestly think that kobe bryant is better than lebron?? Before u think w ur heart j cuz kobe died j think to urself really?? Is kobe really better😂😂😂😂 bron carried 14 other bums to the finals while kobe was shooting bricks the last 5 yrs of his career in yr 20 lebron is average 30ppg in yr 20 wat was kobe doing😂😂
LeBronze will Never be GOAT but he gets bronze like he did in the Olympics 😂 🥉 👏
It's so funny that Kobe's is never mentioned and that lebron is better than him. I've never been a Kobe fan but I will never deny his greatness and what he brought to the game of basketball but Lesucker is not in the same league as Kobe Bryant!
Lebron even has a video during that time admitting kobe was the best player in the game
He was being humble 😂😂😂...stats prove otherwise....NOT FEELINGS 😢😢
Eye test never fails
I love when fools bring up mvps between Kobe and LeBron like Kobe wasn't in the mvp conversation every year from 2002-2013
He didn't win though 😅😅😅😅😅
Kobe got screwed over in 2006 and 2007. He won the scoring title AND made all-defense 1st team.
Like I said MJ and Kobe are on another planet two of the best 2 way players in history along with Wilt but, It’s crazy Kobe had so much in the bag and did things to MJ that no one else could do he had the handles the shots the High IQ and much more. Kobe is number 2 All time I don’t care what Stephan A says, I question his basketball knowledge anyways. Rip Kobe
I’m still not exactly sure where I rank Kobe all time. Aside from the fact I’m certain he’s on the Mount Rushmore. I can make a case for him as high as 2 or below Jordan, Kareem and Russell. There aren’t more than 4 human beings to be above him tho. Of that I’m quite certain. The fact that haters have him “barely in the top 10” is nauseating.
Recently LeBoob told a fan to back up. Kobe and MJ would never.
Magic don’t get enough shine💯
People don’t understand that Kobe would have more rings if the Lakers hadn’t tried to rely on old Karl Malone and Gary Peyton (who was too dumb to run the triangle offense), if he didn’t have the worst teammates of all time from 05-07 when he was unstoppable and arguably in his prime, if Boston didn’t stack a team in 08 with 4 all stars and his bigs hadn’t got bodied like sissies, if David Stern didn’t rob him of Chris Paul, and if he didn’t suffer that Achilles injury.
Also the NBA executives and the media hated him and robbed him of at least 2 or 3 MVPs. David Stern actively sabotaged his career after Colorado bc he was the face of the league and it embarrassed Stern and therefore he wanted to shift the crown to LeBrick.
And I’ll go one step further, I think that it’s possible that his death may not have been an accident. Certain people in positions of power and membership in certain elite organizations hated Kobe for his greatness.
BS Kobe throw that championship on purpose
@@melvynsngltn27 which one?
@@melvynsngltn27 still waiting…. 🤔
@@forsaken7976 on what
"Kobe would have more rings if the Lakers hadn’t tried to rely on old Karl Malone and Gary Peyton..."
Get out with that bullsh*t. I'll give you that GP was the wrong fit for the Triangle Offense (although it didn't have anything to do with him being "dumb"), and even PhilJack knew that. It was Jerry West's call to sign Payton. Phil knew he already had the ideal Triangle point man in DFish. But Mailman may have been "old" in years, he damn sure didn't play like it though. He was phenomenal for the Lakers until he got injured. I was amazed that he could join a team with two of the biggest narcissists in league history, BOTH of whom constantly demanded the ball, and Karl just came right in and was dropping 15, 10, & 5 before the knee injury. And the Triangle was a notoriously hard offense for players to master yet Malone picked it up like it was tiddlywinks even though he'd been in the same system for 18 _years_ prior to that. That shows me a brutha with a SKY HIGH basketball intelligence.
And it ain't just my opinion either. The stats back it up. The Lakers were 34-9 with Mailman in the lineup that year. He also put up some great playoff games once he came back from the injury, especially in that series against Houston. Had he not gotten injured again in the playoffs LA was clearly gonna win the ring that year.
thanks for this video just factsss
My pleasure. Thank you for watching 🙏❤️
LeBron is nowhere near #2
Kobe is the better player. LeBron isn't even close to Kobe and many others.
The media started saying Lebron was better right around 2008. Just when Kobe was winning championships with one all star and Lebron was choking in the playoffs year after year but getting gifted mvp awards by his biggest fan base: the media. Never bought it back then, still not buying it now. Kobe > Lebron.
@@skap_attack The only finals he truly choked was 2011. In early days with cleaveland he had bum teamates, 2014 Dwayne Wade wasn't the same guy anymore, 2015 was solo LeBron. 2017-2018 he had to face a top 2 team all time where he carried bums once again in 2018. LeBron stats are much better than Kobe, the LeBron eyetest and basketball IQ is better than Kobe. The only thing I give Kobe is his unreal ability to make heavily contested shots but that was because he was in those situations because his shot selection was sometimes just bad.
MJ is the GOAT, no doubt. But Kobe is my forever my Basketball Hero of ALL-TIME! 🐍
Let’s acknowledge the NBA screwed Kobe out of a potential ring because they blocked the Chris Paul trade
I have Kobe way a head of Lebron. Lebron isnt even in my top 5. Kobe is in my #5 spot. To each their own. Some fans now have Curry above everyone else....hahaha I laugh at him and Lebron being top 5. But that's me. Like who you like. I just watched them all play. And Curry and Lebron are good. For this new NBA. But nothing to what it was in the 80s and 90s. Again that's my take..
Based on my own individual eye test, Kobe is the second best player I’ve ever seen. Behind only Jordan. But I have to factor in resume and achievement. With that said, I have Kobe in my 4 spot. I do not have Lebron in my top 5 either. And I don’t have curry in my top 10 lol. I’ve seen too much.
@@skap_attack can totally respect your comment. And if curry wins another one. He would be the best player of this generation of players in my opinion.
@@Mikah234 I agree. And if curry wins another one, I would move him into my top 10. He’s right around 11 or 12 currently.
Kobe also competed in the slam dunk contest.
I called him LeBronze for alotta years... still call him that 🤓
His baby ass mentality held him back... lol
No doubt about it. He had all of the skills and physical tools. Just didn’t have the elite alpha mentality
Kobe 🐐
Kobe was like none other and to me is number one. RIP Mamba. We will never let your legacy be forgotten.
We can chatter all day long on the sidelines, but until you’ve actually played in the NBA against these two, our opinions can only go so far. If NBA players are ranking Kobe over Lebron, you gotta stop and think why.
Exactly
Kobe’s career avg is 44% FG vs LBJ avg 50% , Kobe Rode the pine as a rookie vs LBJ’s ROY, Kobe 2x FMVP vs Lbj 4x FMVP, Kobe 1 mvp vs lbj 4 MVP’s, Kobe’s career pts 33k vs lbj pts 39k both played 20yrs ! This isn’t even close LBJ is way better than Kobe! Kobe 25,5,4 vs Lbj 27,7,7 no debate!
For me LeBron is #1
Flopper of all time.