This is what happens when you embrace the culture instead of sticking to your beliefs. The UMC is totally destroying itself in its quest to become less Christian. Maybe it is God's will for an apostate church to fold and allow for a healthy, vibrant community of believers to take its place.
It was written that some of the churches would give into "Doctrines of Demons and Devils" I agree with this statement, some Churches gave up the Gospel, to preach to a group of people that only want God on their terms.
@sufiameen6093 It's not the UMC going woke. But, the concept of appointed pastors needs to be changed I grew up at a UMC church that started in 1888. It closed last year and merged with thr church I now attend. Between 1967 and 1986, that congregation lost half of its members. One pastor preached against Vietnam and Richard Nixon in a congregation that was probably 80% Republican and full of veterans of Korea, WWII, and WWI. While that pastor was well liked by high school and college students, the next pastor could not relate to anyone under age 45. His idea of a fun evening was listening to baseball on the radio while reading Kirkegaard. One other point. A former pastor of mine had read several articles that blamed the Catholic sex scandals for a decline in attendance at all houses of worship, whether Christian or otherwise. Why belong to a house of worship where a pastor or other authority figure might take advantage of a family member.
Agreed my Church (independent Baptist) had bought the Church building from a local UMC Church back in 2005. Their pastor (a woman) had to convince them that it was over for them. They could not afford to stay. They have since had merged with another Methodist Church. But be warned Christians. This could happen to any Church that does not use, or has strayed from, God's Word, the Bible, for all matters of faith and practice. Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide.
Their last conference found them deciding to not invest in bonds connected to the Israeli government. No action taken regarding Chinese bonds, however!
Williambaker, indeed it does!! How can one ignore the hypocrisy in the American Church today? There is a political litmus test that excludes rather than includes.
Most people like good music and embracing different perspectives. It's only a tiny minority that doesn't want that so in the marketplace of ideas your churches end up getting shuttered.
@@brekiarnz161 First of all, we have "good music" and second of all, it's always the churches that "embrace different prospectives" that get shut down. No one wants to go to a church that can't even stand on it's own founding principles. That is why Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy are tragically growing.
@@NonWorldlyAl3X Great question, and the answer is everywhere: The Eucharist, apostolic succession, the Sacraments, the Communion of Saints, Mary, the Sacrifice, adoration, etc., etc., And, if the word "Catholic," isn't in the Bible, neither is the phrase, "Holy Trinity."
No believer says Trinity Catholic NOWHERE HAIL MARY......ONCE HOW MANY TIMES YOU ALL say Catholic?? More than Jesus name and HAIL MARY more than Gabriel DID PROOF OF THE LEVEL of spiritual ignorance of the gospel
@WhiteBraveheart1 It also breaks my heart when older, historic churches close. As a Protestant evangelical, I sincerely appreciate your empathy and prayers for these people.
@@NonWorldlyAl3X God creates, Satan corrupts. Where do you think corruption in Politics comes from? People? Or the deals those people make with The Devil?
@@CarlosGonzalez-im9wt America has a lot of different Protestant denominations, and speaking as someone who’s been struggling with my personal faith and weighing Catholicism; I feel that a lot of the Protestant Churches in the US lack historical foundations and a lot of them have also embraced false teachings and have become apostate in my opinion. I recently started attending an ACNA Anglican Church, and it seems ok to me (I still believe in the Reformation as a necessary movement, but I also have a lot of respect for the Roman Catholic Church and I believe it’s Holy). God Bless 🙏
@ I honestly would love to attend an Orthodox Church; unfortunately the closest one to me is about 100 miles away. I’m torn between the ACNA Anglican Church, and the Roman Catholic Church. The ACNA appears to lack Mariology (with the exception of Anglo-Catholics within the ACNA), and I feel that this is the most misunderstood doctrine among Protestants. I will attend a Roman Catholic Church this morning. Please pray for me, and may God Bless You. 🙏
What a lie 😂 you follow a pedophyle you worship satan fake weirdo you're all desperate to enter America in sure you just got deported and mad this won't get you back in weirdo fake
The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter just moved into a protestant Church in the San Fernando Valley. The Catholic Church is using the small church for meetings and remodeled the large hall for worship. Maybe the Catholics can buy this church building.
UMC has turned its back on the Bible, its tradition, its congregants, and its pastors. The leadership ignored its own polity to pursue an extreme agenda that most did not want imposed. I would hope that other denominations would see the mistakes made and avoid such spiritual pain and brokenness.
I'm not a Methodist. I understand that you are alluding to the alphabet mafia, but who has the authority to objectively decide what is an isn't an "extreme" agenda? Isn't this whole situation with the constant schism in the Methodist movement occuring precisely because of the absence of divinely instituted authority?
As the Pastor of a small Baptist Church in Southern New Jersey, my heart breaks every time I hear of a Church that has to close its doors because I know how difficult it is to keep things going. GOD Bless the Asbury fellowship and its Pastor. 🙏🏿
Eurocentric whitecentric. Problems with western Christianity isn't an apocalyptic sign of the end times you buffoon. I call it eurocentric because this ignores Christian growth and technological improvement and more education and rights in Africa and Asia and Latin America. Problems in the West isn't the end of the world. There's no "godless" generation or a sign of "times" (assuming you mean end times) It's only the West. Not the rest.
THE Church collectively is Christ's bride. As we move closer towards His return there will be more and more apostate "churches" it is sad to say but it is already been foretold. Believers stick to The Word and stay busy leading as many to the faith without compromising the truth.
This Protestant Church tried to be everything to everybody and ended up being nothing to nobody. If it had stuck to the Original Gospel like Catholic and Orthodox Churches, it would still exist.
@@MeadeSkeltonMusic Uhhhh…you do realize that it was the Catholic Church that gave the church the cannon of scripture called the Bible, from which the Protestant denomination created their own versions to meet their wants 500 years ago during the Protestant revolution. The resolved nothing, but rebelled against the teachings of the church by creating their own churches, which we see today. The Catholic Church follows this same bible and teachings for 2000 years without faltering. Don’t believe everything you’re told without researching the church fathers who gave us the Bible. With all,of our bad players, Jesus has still protected the church that He alone created, while 40,000 + denominations out there continue to claim that they’ve got it all figured out.
I live in Waynesboro and there are some beautiful Old Churches. The Church I go to is a great Church. The attendance is growing. A young Pastor and dynamic. He teaches the Bible. People younger and older attend. The Holy Spirit is there. At many Churches Holy Spirit is nowhere to be found. Methodist beginnings were very good. But through the years have corrupted. Young people want God, not religion.
When Jesus says “on this rock I will build,” he uses a slightly different word: “You are petros, and on this petra I will build . . .” This creates space between Peter and the church’s rock. Jesus does not say “On you I will build my church” but “on this rock.” “This rock” is distinct from Peter, although connected to him. We soon discover the difference between the man and the rock. After Jesus grants Peter the keys to the kingdom (see below), Jesus explains how he must die in Jerusalem (Matt. 16:21). Peter rebukes Jesus, whom he has just called the Son of God, saying, “This shall never happen to you” (Matt. 16:22). In response Jesus chastises Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me” (Matt. 16:23). “Hindrance” translates skandalon, a cause of offense, a temptation, a trap. Notice the change. At first, Peter is the church’s rock. Now he is tempter, a foe. So Peter’s status depends on what he says. When Peter forbids the cross, he is a stumbling stone. When he proclaims Jesus as the Christ, he is a rock. Thus Peter is not the foundation of the church.
@@Eman-vp5wk Ephesians 2:20 [20]Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone Jesus is corner-stone apostles are foundation.
It was the closure of a building where a religious organization convened to hold services. This has nothing to do with church as revealed in the New Testament.
@@TheJosephPrice Hillary Clinton occasionally mentioned being a Methodist. I’m not going to say anything except maybe she wasn’t quite as inspiring a speaker as #JohnWesley himself?
At one time the Methodist Church was the cutting edge of Christianity in the US. Not so much anymore. We all owe a debt to previous generations of Methodists. May that cutting edge return
The history of the Methodists is coming from schism. The Methodists, even the GMC, will fail because it is not established by Christ and the Apostles in the 1st century and is a modern invention. 2022: Formation of the Global Methodist Church (GMC) due to divisions over alphabet issues. 1968: Formation of the United Methodist Church (UMC) through a merger with the Evangelical United Brethren Church. 1939: Reunion of MEC, MEC, South, and Methodist Protestant Church to form The Methodist Church. 1844: Split of the Methodist Episcopal Church, South (MEC, South) over slavery. 1821: Formation of the African Methodist Episcopal Zion (AMEZ) Church. 1816: Formation of the African Methodist Episcopal (AME) Church. 1784: Formation of the Methodist Episcopal Church (MEC) after splitting from the Anglican Church.
How about preaching 2000+ year old teachings instead of tickling people's ears as St. Paul warned against? God made humans male and female. Sin is real. Abortion is murder. Hell is real. Start with these.
People are looking for true sacrifice rather than guitar strumming musicals. This is why traditional Catholicism is exploding, it provides the very solid demarcation between God and mammon. I couldn't help but notice the girl being interviewed had a headband with "Juicy" on it. If the congregation doesn't take it seriously how could you expect it to survive
yes and it has moments of stark deliniation between the differant elements, but the thing is if you have a propper sung mass its beautiful it elevates the mind and soul it slows you down to reflect better, even the low mass has a noble simplicity and the teaching of the priests that perform the traditional rite are often better versed in what the church teaches and often preach better sermons and homilies and you often actually learn something, though it can be a bitter truth some times, but all in all there is more signs and symbols used and there is more reverance and bowing and has lots of silance to pray the missal along or reflect and pray, it has a steadfast noble simplicity like the charecter of an old well worn brick building that makes it scenic or how noble and tough it is as well as all the stories the bricks could tell vs a plain wooden or cement building without soul in it something along those lines. a shame this neighborhood landmark is being closed after soo long, when that happens part of our collective history dies with it for those that called it home, but on the other hand even the old protestent churches are no longer what defined them and they have gotten away from the truth, just look at the anglacan church or episcapalians very close to catholic in worship style, but spineless on doctrine and go with the whims of the world not that of God often though some I imagine dont follow this route, even in the Roman church people are starving for the truth and its hidden from them, and all mannor of worldlyness and progressive uglyness is heaped on them even if they dont want it.
@manga12 Most people don't live their Faith, it's just something they do on Sunday, and a lot of them do it on Saturday night to "get it out of the way" so they can sleep, watch cartoons or play video games on Sunday mornings. How Saturday banks for the next day I'll never know when Sunday is the Sabbath Day. A Missa Cantata has its' place but I prefer the Low Mass, precisely, for its' simplicity. Either way, there is no parallel between the Traditional Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo, you cannot reconcile Truth and error.
@@taxfree4 even better then the missa cantata is the solumn high mass with three ministers and full choir, takes lots of work to do though we only have maybe one or two a year at our fssp community and its full of song and chant and motion, but as St Leo the Great called it the closest thing on earth to heaven and so it is. Yes I too as a traditional attending have been gulity of going to the low mass just so I can go home and sleep as a third shifter then going to the 10 am sung mass but we have a very good music director, just got his doctorate and is in the process of building a real pipe organ to use its not huge but its one with real pipes, and the choir is starting to sing in poliphony they are much better then they used to be, and we have been blessed with good pastors, two of them were classmates in seminary in Nebraska the one is an imposing man black hair and black beard but he is kind and breaks it down in sermons and has the pacing of mr rogers so to speak he is a good teacher style teacher and priest of the Faith, and has done parish missions as well as one for us earlier in the year, he is a kindly but matter of fact kind of priest, one of them is a retired but in residence, he reminds you of that wise old great uncle but hes not pushover no he was born and raised in texas he will tell it like it is in confession but is full of wisdom, our main pastor born in michigan but grew up in texas, and has a degree in archetecture before he became a priest, very reverant and says the mass loveingly to God and seems to put emotion into when he speaks, ah he is a scholar of many things and full of all kinds of stories and examples, and loves the outdoors when he is on retreat, tough as nails italian but joyous toward people, very buissy and cant get enough of getting to do the more formal masses and some of the devotions we were one of the first ones in the diocese to do a 40 hours devotion when they were wanting to start doing those again and revive the practice leading up to the national eucheristic congress in indy here in indiana. it is also night and day differance I agree from the organic grown Tridentine mass and the created one from the council which became a beast of its own changing far from even what the council intended giving pride of place for chant latin and traditional devotions with the option of the venacular you give even a little way and evil seeps in and splits apart things as would water freazing and splitting a rock after it gets into a crack in it.
So sad to hear this.. People considering the world rather than God.Pray for the people to fear the living God , to honor the lords day by attending church, to be saved and the almighty God to be glorified again and forever.😢
The clergy have to accept responsibility for the demise of these churches that are closing because of low numbers in the congregation. In the past, we had many great men who inspired people to come to church. Nowadays, most pastors are as dull as ditchwater.
The UMC lost track of Biblical practice and principles decades ago accepting egalitarianism over the Bible. I'm not sure what is really expected if you discard His word for the world.
The word of God doesn’t lie, That’s what happens when you preach and teach wrong doctrine’s of the gospel of Jesus Christ, You have to shut down it comes automatic you can’t stop it from coming🥺😳😏
Pray for me. This was wrong and it seem GOD SPIT ME OUT CUT ME NO WARNING as if I'm just a dog after taking care of the sick Saints people I'm going to pray
I'm glad that the pastor pointed out to us that the church is not the building, but the people. But wait: it is precisely the people who are gone...not the building. Accordingly, our lamentations should be about the people no longer wanting to play church and thereby be the church. Lawyers and insurance firms usually buy up those old buildings and convert them to their purposes, so no need for sorrow for the building. It will go on and continue to be useful. The church is the people...and the people have failed. Perhaps if the United Methodist Church, as a denomination, had not left Christianity, the people might not have left the denomination...and their building. Those who don't know much about such denominations may be interested to know that, when a congregation votes to exit the UMC, the UMC denomination extorts money from the congregation. Yes! The congregation must buy their own church building from the denomination. The people of the congregation are the ones who paid for the building in the beginning, and paid the cost of maintaining it all through the years, and--if that's not enough--paid the salaries of the denominational bureaucrats, and then they have to pay off those same bureaucrats by buying their own building. Note, this pastor would never be allowed to speak a word against the denomination for they control him too. They have the authority to pluck him out of his church whenever they please and send him to a tiny, hayseed church out in the sticks with half the salary. The bureaucracy knows how to control their lackies. But, now that the UMC is totally woke...good riddance.
Feel free to worship on the Lord's true day (Sabbath), aka the 4th Commandment. Visit your local SDA church. I was a former Sunday goer. The Sabbath is Saturday. The seventh day
There can be many reasons. An aging community. People have been steadily having fewer children over the last couple of decades. A lot of people have to work evenings and weekends now. The Methodist Church has undergone a number of changes in the recent past.
It’s true that with some exceptions like eastern orthodox and traditional Catholics religion in the west on the hole is still in decline, but the main line Protestant denominations have fallen off a cliff more than anyone.
A building is not the church. The people are the church and can meet in homes like they did in the New Testament. A lot of people are going back to the basics. I think it’s a good movement.
These grandparents are too busy in here playing church and not getting their grandbabies saved. When a church closes, most likely all the Christians have already left long ago.
Go woke go broke. Sad part is the data has deomstrated this for many years and the UMC watched this decline occur to all the other mainlines and thought "lets do that too!"
Didn't Brandon say he was from Scranton? He should go back there and, with his vast, productive experience as POTUS, revitalize that church and make it viable again. You know, like he did with our country.
A tale as old as time. Revelation 3 “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: ‘The words of him who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. “‘I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up, and strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God. Remember, then, what you received and heard. Keep it, and repent. If you will not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come against you. Yet you have still a few names in Sardis, people who have not soiled their garments, and they will walk with me in white, for they are worthy. The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’
All the news reports I see about churches closing all take place in the rust belt. Naturally churches will close there, people are moving away from the rust belt. Less jobs, less people, means smaller congregations and less parishes.
@TheJakeman789 knows better than to give any time to someone without the time to write "are you" but infinite time for an open ended comm box urinating contest.
Christians of all denomination must decide what they stand for. SCIENCE (psychology, astronomy, biology) is advancing daily. So ... what is the Christian message?
@@BXAC23 Yes, the Nicene Creed is a profession of faith. But how churches "apply" it to new scientific insights into cosmology (the universe), biology (evolution), human socialization including human sexuality (psychology) and social justice are issues subject to constant revision.
@@BXAC23 I agree but it's not good enough. The splits are occuring over topics not covered in the Nicene Creed, such as gender, abortion and marriage/divorce. The bigger question is why do the Methodists affirm the teachings of one ecumenical Council (Nicene Creed), but not any other?
That's kind of embarassing to be honest. Scranton was duped for 148 years to believe in a myth isn't really something to be proud of. At least in the end it's a step towards a more decent, rational, and loving society.
@@Jonny29Boi Woops, you're not included. Some people need myths and you're one of them. I was just directing my message at educated people like the employees of this news station to explain why this isn't a sad event and actually something to be thankful for.
@@brekiarnz161 Every communist country, the only ones that have ever abolished religion, are strong points against your case. Not to mention that this was a United Methodist Church, one of the most inclusive and "loving" churches in the United States.
People care about buildings, God cares about your heart. Every rich and powerful nation becomes a victim of Liberalism and Progressivism eventually. A moral degradation always seems to follow wealth and power. Our only obligation is to remain true to God and what Jesus taught, the best we can. Let others do what they want to and let them take the road they want to.
This is what happens when you embrace the culture instead of sticking to your beliefs. The UMC is totally destroying itself in its quest to become less Christian. Maybe it is God's will for an apostate church to fold and allow for a healthy, vibrant community of believers to take its place.
@@toadster_strudel When the rainbow flag goes up, these UMC churches start to lose some of it's members. At least recently.
How DARE you tell the truth! (Thank you).
It was written that some of the churches would give into "Doctrines of Demons and Devils" I agree with this statement, some Churches gave up the Gospel, to preach to a group of people that only want God on their terms.
@@toadster_strudel I couldn’t have said it better.
Sadly it's not just UMC. This is happening in all denominations
Beautiful church. It’s the Great Falling Away.
UMC went Woke and left the Biblical Teachings.
@sufiameen6093 It's not the UMC going woke. But, the concept of appointed pastors needs to be changed
I grew up at a UMC church that started in 1888. It closed last year and merged with thr church I now attend.
Between 1967 and 1986, that congregation lost half of its members. One pastor preached against Vietnam and Richard Nixon in a congregation that was probably 80% Republican and full of veterans of Korea, WWII, and WWI.
While that pastor was well liked by high school and college students, the next pastor could not relate to anyone under age 45. His idea of a fun evening was listening to baseball on the radio while reading Kirkegaard.
One other point. A former pastor of mine had read several articles that blamed the Catholic sex scandals for a decline in attendance at all houses of worship, whether Christian or otherwise.
Why belong to a house of worship where a pastor or other authority figure might take advantage of a family member.
Agreed my Church (independent Baptist) had bought the Church building from a local UMC Church back in 2005. Their pastor (a woman) had to convince them that it was over for them. They could not afford to stay. They have since had merged with another Methodist Church. But be warned Christians. This could happen to any Church that does not use, or has strayed from, God's Word, the Bible, for all matters of faith and practice. Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide.
Their last conference found them deciding to not invest in bonds connected to the Israeli government. No action taken regarding Chinese bonds, however!
@kentfrederick8929 you live in a narcissist zombie bubble
A lot going on outside your living room cletus
If this Methodist church is like so many others (woke and anti-Christian) then there's an explanation as to why it's closing. Sad.
The UMC has fallen to sin and modernism no wonder this is happening.
@@johnpalomo1688 The hypocrisy of organized religion had nothing to do with it?
Sit down pedophyle worshipper 😅@@williambaker-d7h
They were corrupt from the beginning
@@williambaker-d7hthere's 50 million organized religions you pedophyle zombie minion dolt 😅😅😅😅😅
Williambaker, indeed it does!! How can one ignore the hypocrisy in the American Church today? There is a political litmus test that excludes rather than includes.
Unfortunately people want wokery and worshiptainment. What people need the most is what they want least to hear.
Most people like good music and embracing different perspectives. It's only a tiny minority that doesn't want that so in the marketplace of ideas your churches end up getting shuttered.
@@brekiarnz161 First of all, we have "good music" and second of all, it's always the churches that "embrace different prospectives" that get shut down. No one wants to go to a church that can't even stand on it's own founding principles. That is why Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy are tragically growing.
@@brekiarnz161 What does "embracing different perspectives" mean?
@@alisterrebelo9013 It means wokery is awesome.
Nah people are more in front of screens, and digital entertainment/Media!
I'm a Catholic, and this breaks my heart! I'm praying for all of you. Stay strong in the faith and don't give up.
Where is catholic in the bible
@@NonWorldlyAl3X Great question, and the answer is everywhere: The Eucharist, apostolic succession, the Sacraments, the Communion of Saints, Mary, the Sacrifice, adoration, etc., etc.,
And, if the word "Catholic," isn't in the Bible, neither is the phrase, "Holy Trinity."
No believer says Trinity
Catholic NOWHERE
HAIL MARY......ONCE
HOW MANY TIMES YOU ALL say Catholic?? More than Jesus name and HAIL MARY more than Gabriel DID
PROOF OF THE LEVEL of spiritual ignorance of the gospel
@TriciaPerry-mz7tc
Protestantism is founded by men.
The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ.
God Bless You this Epiphany.
@WhiteBraveheart1 It also breaks my heart when older, historic churches close. As a Protestant evangelical, I sincerely appreciate your empathy and prayers for these people.
Churches are closing. The devil is getting people to leave. We must stand from in our faith.
*Meanwhile, after the fall of Assad, churches in Syria are finally opening and are having large gatherings again. Let's not be discouraged.*
Find a denomination that has not be corrupted.
We must prune off the vines that do not bear good fruit anymore.
These so called churches where created by him lol
@@NonWorldlyAl3X God creates, Satan corrupts.
Where do you think corruption in Politics comes from?
People? Or the deals those people make with The Devil?
@@ReWilliams-h1s the Church is the people who believe in Christ, not a building or an institution.
I left the UMC in 1999 because I saw the writing on the wall.
Sad they couldn't make it to 150. Have a blessed New Year everyone.
Professional football is the new religion .
This would make a nice traditional Catholic chapel.
Maybe an SSPX because they like plain and undecorated churches
When you change the eternal truth revealed in sacred scriptures to appeal to the worldly philosophy you will scatter the sheep.
Looks like a great building for the Anglican Church in North America to buy.
In my country, totally different, I'm roman catholic and chuches are all the time, every single day full of christian faithful! Saludos de Costa Rica!
@@CarlosGonzalez-im9wt America has a lot of different Protestant denominations, and speaking as someone who’s been struggling with my personal faith and weighing Catholicism; I feel that a lot of the Protestant Churches in the US lack historical foundations and a lot of them have also embraced false teachings and have become apostate in my opinion. I recently started attending an ACNA Anglican Church, and it seems ok to me (I still believe in the Reformation as a necessary movement, but I also have a lot of respect for the Roman Catholic Church and I believe it’s Holy). God Bless 🙏
@@catholicforever You should also look into the Orthodox Church. I was a lifelong protestant and converted about 3 years ago.
@ I honestly would love to attend an Orthodox Church; unfortunately the closest one to me is about 100 miles away. I’m torn between the ACNA Anglican Church, and the Roman Catholic Church. The ACNA appears to lack Mariology (with the exception of Anglo-Catholics within the ACNA), and I feel that this is the most misunderstood doctrine among Protestants. I will attend a Roman Catholic Church this morning. Please pray for me, and may God Bless You. 🙏
What a lie
😂 you follow a pedophyle you worship satan fake weirdo you're all desperate to enter America in sure you just got deported and mad this won't get you back in weirdo fake
The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter just moved into a protestant Church in the San Fernando Valley. The Catholic Church is using the small church for meetings and remodeled the large hall for worship. Maybe the Catholics can buy this church building.
Churches are dime a dozen
UMC has turned its back on the Bible, its tradition, its congregants, and its pastors. The leadership ignored its own polity to pursue an extreme agenda that most did not want imposed. I would hope that other denominations would see the mistakes made and avoid such spiritual pain and brokenness.
I'm not a Methodist.
I understand that you are alluding to the alphabet mafia, but who has the authority to objectively decide what is an isn't an "extreme" agenda?
Isn't this whole situation with the constant schism in the Methodist movement occuring precisely because of the absence of divinely instituted authority?
Arminians were never Christian
Humanist narcissist atheists
Yes UMC has turned it's back on God ! This is what happens!
This frequent closure of Churches due to low attendance breaks my heart. This is what happens when people get too Woke for their own good
Modern day liberal theology teaches that if it feels good to you it is not a sin. So if all behavior is acceptable what is the need for a church?
As the Pastor of a small Baptist Church in Southern New Jersey, my heart breaks every time I hear of a Church that has to close its doors because I know how difficult it is to keep things going. GOD Bless the Asbury fellowship and its Pastor. 🙏🏿
A sign of the times and a Godless generation.
Eurocentric whitecentric. Problems with western Christianity isn't an apocalyptic sign of the end times you buffoon. I call it eurocentric because this ignores Christian growth and technological improvement and more education and rights in Africa and Asia and Latin America.
Problems in the West isn't the end of the world.
There's no "godless" generation or a sign of "times" (assuming you mean end times)
It's only the West.
Not the rest.
The word of God is not a playground. There’s repercussions🥺🥺🥺
THE Church collectively is Christ's bride. As we move closer towards His return there will be more and more apostate "churches" it is sad to say but it is already been foretold. Believers stick to The Word and stay busy leading as many to the faith without compromising the truth.
This Protestant Church tried to be everything to everybody and ended up being nothing to nobody.
If it had stuck to the Original Gospel like Catholic and Orthodox Churches, it would still exist.
Bingpot!
If you want to stick to the "original" gospel you gotta go orthodox. Maybe this church will reopen one day as an orthodox church?
@@active6302 the Catholic Church was not following the Bible
@@iancarisi8342 No..the Protestant church is back to the Bible. Catholicism is pagan
@@MeadeSkeltonMusic Uhhhh…you do realize that it was the Catholic Church that gave the church the cannon of scripture called the Bible, from which the Protestant denomination created their own versions to meet their wants 500 years ago during the Protestant revolution. The resolved nothing, but rebelled against the teachings of the church by creating their own churches, which we see today. The Catholic Church follows this same bible and teachings for 2000 years without faltering. Don’t believe everything you’re told without researching the church fathers who gave us the Bible. With all,of our bad players, Jesus has still protected the church that He alone created, while 40,000 + denominations out there continue to claim that they’ve got it all figured out.
I live in Waynesboro and there are some beautiful Old Churches. The Church I go to is a great Church. The attendance is growing. A young Pastor and dynamic. He teaches the Bible. People younger and older attend. The Holy Spirit is there. At many Churches Holy Spirit is nowhere to be found. Methodist beginnings were very good. But through the years have corrupted. Young people want God, not religion.
God have mercy.
Thank God for Redeemed Zoomer's project reconquista
John Wesley is rolling over in his grave over the actions of the Methodist church. That is what happens when you deny the virgin birth of Christ.
As soon as they rose the rainbow flag people started to leave. That’s why I’m now Latin mass Catholic and I love my faith. It’s God’s will.
Yes and YES! Just say “no” to “sin-all-the-day,” ahem…, synodality.
When Jesus says “on this rock I will build,” he uses a slightly different word: “You are petros, and on this petra I will build . . .” This creates space between Peter and the church’s rock. Jesus does not say “On you I will build my church” but “on this rock.” “This rock” is distinct from Peter, although connected to him. We soon discover the difference between the man and the rock. After Jesus grants Peter the keys to the kingdom (see below), Jesus explains how he must die in Jerusalem (Matt. 16:21). Peter rebukes Jesus, whom he has just called the Son of God, saying, “This shall never happen to you” (Matt. 16:22). In response Jesus chastises Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me” (Matt. 16:23). “Hindrance” translates skandalon, a cause of offense, a temptation, a trap.
Notice the change. At first, Peter is the church’s rock. Now he is tempter, a foe. So Peter’s status depends on what he says. When Peter forbids the cross, he is a stumbling stone. When he proclaims Jesus as the Christ, he is a rock. Thus Peter is not the foundation of the church.
@@Eman-vp5wk that was spoken in Aramaic and Peter's name was cephas which just means stone ,John 1 42.
@@AVECHRISTVSREX did you read what I said?
@@Eman-vp5wk Ephesians 2:20
[20]Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone Jesus is corner-stone apostles are foundation.
It was the closure of a building where a religious organization convened to hold services. This has nothing to do with church as revealed in the New Testament.
Just heartbreaking.
"The church is the people, not the building." Where did the people go? Why did they leave?
@@richardrye7200 the UMC is falling apart is your answer.
@@TheJosephPrice Hillary Clinton occasionally mentioned being a Methodist. I’m not going to say anything except maybe she wasn’t quite as inspiring a speaker as #JohnWesley himself?
they're becoming orthodox
At one time the Methodist Church was the cutting edge of Christianity in the US. Not so much anymore. We all owe a debt to previous generations of Methodists. May that cutting edge return
The history of the Methodists is coming from schism. The Methodists, even the GMC, will fail because it is not established by Christ and the Apostles in the 1st century and is a modern invention.
2022: Formation of the Global Methodist Church (GMC) due to divisions over alphabet issues.
1968: Formation of the United Methodist Church (UMC) through a merger with the Evangelical United Brethren Church.
1939: Reunion of MEC, MEC, South, and Methodist Protestant Church to form The Methodist Church.
1844: Split of the Methodist Episcopal Church, South (MEC, South) over slavery.
1821: Formation of the African Methodist Episcopal Zion (AMEZ) Church.
1816: Formation of the African Methodist Episcopal (AME) Church.
1784: Formation of the Methodist Episcopal Church (MEC) after splitting from the Anglican Church.
No it was not PENTECOSTAL and MOST CHURCHES WERE
GOD GAVE US HOLINESS
MAN MADE CATHOLIC
@@TriciaPerry-mz7tc Which year did men "make Catholic"?
These old churches could do something to keep themselves thriving
How about preaching 2000+ year old teachings instead of tickling people's ears as St. Paul warned against?
God made humans male and female.
Sin is real.
Abortion is murder.
Hell is real.
Start with these.
People are looking for true sacrifice rather than guitar strumming musicals. This is why traditional Catholicism is exploding, it provides the very solid demarcation between God and mammon. I couldn't help but notice the girl being interviewed had a headband with "Juicy" on it. If the congregation doesn't take it seriously how could you expect it to survive
Isn't traditional Catholicism the pre-Vatican II nonsense that blames Jewish people for committing deicide?
yes and it has moments of stark deliniation between the differant elements, but the thing is if you have a propper sung mass its beautiful it elevates the mind and soul it slows you down to reflect better, even the low mass has a noble simplicity and the teaching of the priests that perform the traditional rite are often better versed in what the church teaches and often preach better sermons and homilies and you often actually learn something, though it can be a bitter truth some times, but all in all there is more signs and symbols used and there is more reverance and bowing and has lots of silance to pray the missal along or reflect and pray, it has a steadfast noble simplicity like the charecter of an old well worn brick building that makes it scenic or how noble and tough it is as well as all the stories the bricks could tell vs a plain wooden or cement building without soul in it something along those lines.
a shame this neighborhood landmark is being closed after soo long, when that happens part of our collective history dies with it for those that called it home,
but on the other hand even the old protestent churches are no longer what defined them and they have gotten away from the truth, just look at the anglacan church or episcapalians very close to catholic in worship style, but spineless on doctrine and go with the whims of the world not that of God often though some I imagine dont follow this route, even in the Roman church people are starving for the truth and its hidden from them, and all mannor of worldlyness and progressive uglyness is heaped on them even if they dont want it.
@manga12 Most people don't live their Faith, it's just something they do on Sunday, and a lot of them do it on Saturday night to "get it out of the way" so they can sleep, watch cartoons or play video games on Sunday mornings. How Saturday banks for the next day I'll never know when Sunday is the Sabbath Day. A Missa Cantata has its' place but I prefer the Low Mass, precisely, for its' simplicity. Either way, there is no parallel between the Traditional Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo, you cannot reconcile Truth and error.
@@taxfree4 even better then the missa cantata is the solumn high mass with three ministers and full choir, takes lots of work to do though we only have maybe one or two a year at our fssp community and its full of song and chant and motion, but as St Leo the Great called it the closest thing on earth to heaven and so it is.
Yes I too as a traditional attending have been gulity of going to the low mass just so I can go home and sleep as a third shifter then going to the 10 am sung mass but we have a very good music director, just got his doctorate and is in the process of building a real pipe organ to use its not huge but its one with real pipes, and the choir is starting to sing in poliphony they are much better then they used to be, and we have been blessed with good pastors, two of them were classmates in seminary in Nebraska the one is an imposing man black hair and black beard but he is kind and breaks it down in sermons and has the pacing of mr rogers so to speak he is a good teacher style teacher and priest of the Faith, and has done parish missions as well as one for us earlier in the year, he is a kindly but matter of fact kind of priest, one of them is a retired but in residence, he reminds you of that wise old great uncle but hes not pushover no he was born and raised in texas he will tell it like it is in confession but is full of wisdom, our main pastor born in michigan but grew up in texas, and has a degree in archetecture before he became a priest, very reverant and says the mass loveingly to God and seems to put emotion into when he speaks, ah he is a scholar of many things and full of all kinds of stories and examples, and loves the outdoors when he is on retreat, tough as nails italian but joyous toward people, very buissy and cant get enough of getting to do the more formal masses and some of the devotions we were one of the first ones in the diocese to do a 40 hours devotion when they were wanting to start doing those again and revive the practice leading up to the national eucheristic congress in indy here in indiana.
it is also night and day differance I agree from the organic grown Tridentine mass and the created one from the council which became a beast of its own changing far from even what the council intended giving pride of place for chant latin and traditional devotions with the option of the venacular you give even a little way and evil seeps in and splits apart things as would water freazing and splitting a rock after it gets into a crack in it.
Jews and Muslims treat their houses of worship with far more respect than Christians do. A shame.
So sad!!!!!!!!!
So sad to hear this.. People considering the world rather than God.Pray for the people to fear the living God , to honor the lords day by attending church, to be saved and the almighty God to be glorified again and forever.😢
Remember...
Matthew 16:18
We'll be down, but never out!
The clergy have to accept responsibility for the demise of these churches that are closing because of low numbers in the congregation. In the past, we had many great men who inspired people to come to church. Nowadays, most pastors are as dull as ditchwater.
Somfathers and husbands should wake up before m ohammuduns turn them into pagan messjids.
What will they do with the building? Was that The Old Rugged Cross the organist was starting to play?
When the candles go up, the preaching comes down..' - C.H. Spurgeon
The UMC lost track of Biblical practice and principles decades ago accepting egalitarianism over the Bible. I'm not sure what is really expected if you discard His word for the world.
The UMC has lost its way. Bottom line. The denomination is dying.
Sad. VERY sad. Now is when churches are needed the most.
Good bye Asbury 😢
The word of God doesn’t lie, That’s what happens when you preach and teach wrong doctrine’s of the gospel of Jesus Christ, You have to shut down it comes automatic you can’t stop it from coming🥺😳😏
Pray for me. This was wrong and it seem GOD SPIT ME OUT CUT ME NO WARNING as if I'm just a dog after taking care of the sick Saints people
I'm going to pray
I'm glad that the pastor pointed out to us that the church is not the building, but the people. But wait: it is precisely the people who are gone...not the building. Accordingly, our lamentations should be about the people no longer wanting to play church and thereby be the church. Lawyers and insurance firms usually buy up those old buildings and convert them to their purposes, so no need for sorrow for the building. It will go on and continue to be useful. The church is the people...and the people have failed.
Perhaps if the United Methodist Church, as a denomination, had not left Christianity, the people might not have left the denomination...and their building.
Those who don't know much about such denominations may be interested to know that, when a congregation votes to exit the UMC, the UMC denomination extorts money from the congregation. Yes! The congregation must buy their own church building from the denomination. The people of the congregation are the ones who paid for the building in the beginning, and paid the cost of maintaining it all through the years, and--if that's not enough--paid the salaries of the denominational bureaucrats, and then they have to pay off those same bureaucrats by buying their own building.
Note, this pastor would never be allowed to speak a word against the denomination for they control him too. They have the authority to pluck him out of his church whenever they please and send him to a tiny, hayseed church out in the sticks with half the salary. The bureaucracy knows how to control their lackies.
But, now that the UMC is totally woke...good riddance.
That happens in alot of churchs today. the bible says in the last days people will stop going to the church.
Feel free to worship on the Lord's true day (Sabbath), aka the 4th Commandment. Visit your local SDA church. I was a former Sunday goer. The Sabbath is Saturday. The seventh day
There can be many reasons. An aging community. People have been steadily having fewer children over the last couple of decades. A lot of people have to work evenings and weekends now. The Methodist Church has undergone a number of changes in the recent past.
Look at all the people, they are all old.
Church attendance has declined in general for decades. People are learning that organized religion isn't necessary.
Visited there once
they can always pray for god to provide the money they need
Old churches become the most lukewarm
I believe that you mean "spiritually lukewarm." By and large, you're correct.
@ yes they lose Christ and become a man-made institution that holds on to its history and church building as a “look what we did”
Waiting for the sesquicentennial anniversary for the shutdown would have been more poignant.
Could it be that y'all strayed from the Word as wrtten???
Just sad. 😢
It’s true that with some exceptions like eastern orthodox and traditional Catholics religion in the west on the hole is still in decline, but the main line Protestant denominations have fallen off a cliff more than anyone.
A building is not the church. The people are the church and can meet in homes like they did in the New Testament. A lot of people are going back to the basics. I think it’s a good movement.
My family churches should not be closed and my family needs protection from abusive priests.
These grandparents are too busy in here playing church and not getting their grandbabies saved. When a church closes, most likely all the Christians have already left long ago.
Will it become a mosque?
That's often what happens to redundant Methodist churches in the UK. Does it happen in the USA too?
@rosaliemarshall9640 yes, the cult had been taking over churches, and like cockroaches, everywhere!
Where was the church before it was in Scranton? 🤭
Go woke go broke.
Sad part is the data has deomstrated this for many years and the UMC watched this decline occur to all the other mainlines and thought "lets do that too!"
Didn't Brandon say he was from Scranton? He should go back there and, with his vast, productive experience as POTUS, revitalize that church and make it viable again. You know, like he did with our country.
A tale as old as time. Revelation 3 “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: ‘The words of him who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars.
“‘I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up, and strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God. Remember, then, what you received and heard. Keep it, and repent. If you will not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come against you. Yet you have still a few names in Sardis, people who have not soiled their garments, and they will walk with me in white, for they are worthy. The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’
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The Falling Away
Sleepy Scranton Joe said he was there for the first service
@@jimdellavecchia4594 🤣🤣🤣
Wrong doctrine No Heat🔥🤣😂
Too bad in many ways.
All the news reports I see about churches closing all take place in the rust belt. Naturally churches will close there, people are moving away from the rust belt. Less jobs, less people, means smaller congregations and less parishes.
above all, godless generation who are paying a deadly price.
A prime example, when Evangelisim has failed.
Well old Joe is leaving so might as well close up for good
Meh a Methodist church…. No loss
What church r u in?
@TheJakeman789 knows better than to give any time to someone without the time to write "are you" but infinite time for an open ended comm box urinating contest.
Sad that the thriving coal companies Trump saved couldn’t rally together to save this building.
What use is money when there are no longer any people to attend?
Christians of all denomination must decide what they stand for. SCIENCE (psychology, astronomy, biology) is advancing daily. So ... what is the Christian message?
I have no idea what you’re trying to convey. SCIENCE as we know it was literally a result of Christian theism.
We have, a thousand years ago. It's called the nicene creed.
@@BXAC23 Yes, the Nicene Creed is a profession of faith. But how churches "apply" it to new scientific insights into cosmology (the universe), biology (evolution), human socialization including human sexuality (psychology) and social justice are issues subject to constant revision.
@@BXAC23 I agree but it's not good enough. The splits are occuring over topics not covered in the Nicene Creed, such as gender, abortion and marriage/divorce.
The bigger question is why do the Methodists affirm the teachings of one ecumenical Council (Nicene Creed), but not any other?
It's CALLED THE APOSTLES DOCTRINE
That's kind of embarassing to be honest. Scranton was duped for 148 years to believe in a myth isn't really something to be proud of. At least in the end it's a step towards a more decent, rational, and loving society.
@@brekiarnz161 what do you mean by myth?
@@Jonny29Boi Woops, you're not included. Some people need myths and you're one of them. I was just directing my message at educated people like the employees of this news station to explain why this isn't a sad event and actually something to be thankful for.
@@brekiarnz161 what myth(s) would that be? Please educated me.
@@brekiarnz161 Every communist country, the only ones that have ever abolished religion, are strong points against your case. Not to mention that this was a United Methodist Church, one of the most inclusive and "loving" churches in the United States.
“ The fool says in his heart, "There is no God.” " - Psalm 14:1
People care about buildings, God cares about your heart. Every rich and powerful nation becomes a victim of Liberalism and Progressivism eventually. A moral degradation always seems to follow wealth and power.
Our only obligation is to remain true to God and what Jesus taught, the best we can. Let others do what they want to and let them take the road they want to.
Woke won again
Is she really wearing a Juicy headband? 😂