I loved Toni and hated when she left the show. I know a lot of people hated her, but I always loved her drive and go getter attitude. She was just about her money and then when she became a mom, she became all about her daughter (while still valuing the money too). I feel like she did grow up without losing the aspects of who she was.
I'm mad about this too like I feel you. She was the best character other than Maya. In Lynn, in all honesty, I don't think Joan was like the best character she was annoying. She snitch on her friends in a subconscious way and like. Yeah, you wanted to make partner and get married, but those were their only real goals. And then the gold that you had you left. And people said I being better than you and you always get jealous. I never understood why Joel was jealous of her best friend who kept on crying to her saying how much she needed her asking, if she's messing app this man's life or she's going to be a good mom and everything and during that whole relationship. Whenever like when Joan first found out that Tony was going to get married or was engaged. I should say. And Tony said no. She went off and told Gary that she got engaged. I don't know who in the right mind goes on and tell someone else's someone's business, but that's exactly what she did. Then, when she does get actually engaged. Joan is being fake when Maya had her re-engagement party in to throw the wedding that she won. It Joan still couldn't even be happy for Maya, so let's be real. If lynn wasa had gotten married before drone, she would have blown all the way up
I also hated her, I thought that was the point of toni. As a matter of fact, the only one who didn’t get me angry at some point or other was maya. But that’s the whole point. I think this makes the portrayal authentic
@@elmatasesues3630 The only one who didn't annoy me as much was William. When Mya lied to Darnell about Joan buying her that watch to cover up her affair and Darnell got all in Joans face and publicly disrespected her at her job that was crazy. And then Mya had the nerve to give Joan an attitude when Joan confronted her about it. If I were Joan she would've been fired for that. Mya always took advantage of Joan being a kind boss because she was a user. Actually they all used her except William. He wasn't perfect, he had a lot of misogynistic ways but he was a true friend and never purposefully malicious. I still remember that episode the girls trashed her house because she didn't give them expensive christmas presents. What friends do that?
I think Monica is a more stable version of Toni. More solitary (which is okay) and self-possessed. Two sides of the same coin. I thought the girlfriends were shrewish where she was concerned. I think Monica handled herself maturely.
I'm actually in the midst of working on a dark skin representation video throughout the decades and I picked Toni for Y2K! I LOVE ALL BLACK BOUGIE CHARACTERS
🖤🖤🖤I appreciate the breakdown!!! I lean more towards Toni Childs. For one, I love her name 🤭 Secondly, better character development. Also, because she was more relatable in my opinion. For example: Growing up from humble beginnings. Self Made. Has childhood traumas that she was willing to work through (going to therapy & church). Extremely ambitious. Always wanted the best for herself, and was unwavering about it. Wanted a man to add to her lifestyle, not create it. As a young black girl, Toni Childs taught me that no matter where you came from, you can reinvent yourself into who you want to be. Through incredible style & intelligence, black girls deserve and can achieve luxury in our life and be unapologetic about it. Even through her “snobbish” ways, I lived for. Toni conveyed confidence (sometimes to the point of delusion 😂) that is needed at times, to be the best. Especially in spaces where your competitors/colleagues don’t look like you. 💅🏿 Thank you for this content, it brings back great memories!
I think Lynn and Mya didn’t like Monica because she’s was the embodiment of everything they weren’t and aspired to be. She knew what she wanted Lynn didn’t and she was also a kept women Mya wasn’t.
I think that's the biggest thing. Monica is a mature woman who doesn't need friends where as Tony, Joan, Lynn and Mya are all kinda girly. Between Monica and Tony Monica doesn't need to do a lot to show off anything cause what does she need to prove where as Tony loves outside validation which also plays into why she isn't always around them cause Monica doesn't need GIRL-friends.
I don't think it's that deep. I think they didn't like her because she was an unapologetic, rude bitch. They didn't really know much about her for a long time outside of her abrasive personality
Monica came from money and was def not chasing money. Tony was always in survival mode (despite her outward expressions). Girlfriends is still one of my favorite shows 🫶🏾
Yes she stood on her own she wanted a career and a man to match her lifestyle while Monica wanted to be taken care of even if she has to mold a man to do so.
I LOVED Toni's elegant crassness, but sometimes it veered too toxic for my liking. My style is more like Toni's but I have always regretted when I play with colour, I feel confident and gorgeous in neutrals. So as I get older (30 now) I feel more and more like Monica than Toni.
When Monica came into the fold it was over for Toni for me 🤷🏽♀️😂 Monica was the type of woman that Toni wished she was. Quiet as it kept, Toni was not quite as enterprising as she liked to make herself seem. Monica was really that girl, whereas Toni had to fake it until she made it.
Monica Wins Hands Down!!! Tony had her Moments but Monica Brought More Elegance/Sophistication to The Show. Not to Mention Toni Married A Brad on there, and Monica(Keesha Sharp) Actually Married to a White Man in Real Life. I think Monica Got Toni With This One.💯
Great deep dive, I agree with your assessment and I would’ve loved to see more interaction between the two on the show. Toni def admired Monica, I remember when she was trying to order some fancy coffee that Monica mentioned, while the other women were pissed that she had William by the balls 😂.
I love a classic, chic look. It’s looks sooo good, but I think you should incorporate color. Color (especially the right shade of a color) does wonders for a look.
I think for the age that they were early 30s Toni’s Style was more appropriate. It was fun. It was carefree was still figuring it out. Monica style was good for an older woman who knew what she wanted and was secure and stable. Ironically, that’s exactly who Monica was so it really did fit her as well. 😊
I met Toni in person she is si beautiful, down to yo earth and didn't act privileged as a celebrity. Very approachable & love her spirit Jill Marie is classy at its finest
Some people will walk around with designer labels made with poor fabric (outlet shoppers) I buy minds at the main store off season. Summer clothes in September/ winter in March. Better quality clothes and much cheaper. You can still get a wear before the weather changes with this global warming. Outlet clothes are made for outlets only. Back in day it was for irregulars that didn’t past inspections. But it was quality fabrics.
Interesting, I do get your opnion and agree in some aspects but the point about Maya and Lynn I think was a reaction to Joan changing after the JSpot opening and to me worry that she was going to revert back into party Joan who drove Toni away. I think thats also fair because Monica and Joan both display characteristics that are mean girl esque as well but particulary in the latter seasons where Joans materialism and classism isnt called out as much. They may have seen her being friends with Monica as pedaling back? I dunno either way your videos are fire and im happy that youre sharing your art with us!
That’s an interesting point! I wish Joan could have figured out a way to have her IT girl moment out without alienating her friends so much. They do also mention that Joan was trying to replace Toni with Monica instead of processing her feelings properly so that may have been a part of it too
I used to LOATHE Monica because she was bougie, but wasn't self-made. I thought self-made was the only way to be and loved Toni for being her own success.
Monica was a way better character. Talk about the best wife on the show. She knew how to put fire under her man to do better for himself and the family. Toni’s character was evil towards friends, men, and family. She was insecure and just sad. I felt bad for her.
@@twistedhalo759 BINGO. The Creator Of Friends Said He Wanted A Show Just Like Living Single When He Was Asked. Then The Next Year He Made A GENTRIFIED/WHITEWASHED Version On NBC And Friends Came Into Existence!!! #LivingSingleWasHereFirst
I loved Monica. I really did. But Toni Childs was the show. We saw what happened when she left. It went downhill and then it got canceled very shortly after. Even though they were on the show at the same time at one point it just seemed like Monica was a bootleg Toni🤷🏾♀️ They felt the void after Toni's departure And they try to fill it with Monica but it just didn't hit the same. Toni Childs was just too special ❤️
I loved Toni Childs but because her character & the way she looked was the most similar to mine lmao. As bad as that is, it’s so hard to hate someone so gorgeous, as long as they don’t do anything unforgivable.
I loved this show - I was mostly a, Lynn, girlie. But, when, Toni left the show (her character was getting a bit too mean - cause she didn't do her "do diligence" on her husband) and Joan no longer had her home (cause she moved in with boyfriend/fiancé/husband) the writings and locations of sets just got a bit to boring and the storylines were ok but not great... If there was a reboot with the original writers and new storylines - I'd probably watch it...
Toni's husband went into debt because of Toni's excessive spending. He did eventually pay off his debts after they divorced. Toni forgot doctors are not multi-millionaires.
well yes and no... During their courtship and during an argument (i think this was right before their wedding and right after he moved in with Toni and she found out he was broke) Todd admitted he was afraid the man he was wouldn't be enough for Toni as he could tell the type of person she was(materialistic, self-centered, putting herself first etc.) and tried to buy her love and affection with lavish gifts. He put on a show for her and she didn't do her own research into his finances. He was already $750,000 in medical school debt when he finished and on top of gifting Toni expensive gifts and her demands in wedding planning who knows how much more he had to spend. When Toni's ring was stolen and he discovered that she had a nest egg of approximately $500,000 or a little more he wanted to use her entire savings to pay off most of his debt and she immediately denied him. During their separation and eventual divorce we learn that Todd's mother paid off his debt and even bought him a house during their custody battle so not only was Todd financially stable in the eyes of the court but he was able to start off his career debt free and actually having quite a steady income coming in, just not what Toni thought he already had like with one of her former flings Dr. Clay (in season 1) who was a well-off doctor and gave Toni lavish gifts, already had a mansion, (probably a millionaire) could very well provide her with the life she wanted and even proposed to her but also infected her with Chlamydia.
Toni was pretty successful 👌 but stubborn rude and money hungry in a bad way at least monica wanted to uplift her man i despise toni 😑 😅cried when she left because her story was important but monica was my fav and who i aspire to be or see myself as already she had a plan saw it execute it ❤
Monica was who she was and didn’t know a difference. That’s the way she grew up. Toni was a wannabe and grew up knowing a difference because of Joan Clayton, her best friend back ground.
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I loved Toni and hated when she left the show. I know a lot of people hated her, but I always loved her drive and go getter attitude. She was just about her money and then when she became a mom, she became all about her daughter (while still valuing the money too). I feel like she did grow up without losing the aspects of who she was.
I'm mad about this too like I feel you. She was the best character other than Maya. In Lynn, in all honesty, I don't think Joan was like the best character she was annoying. She snitch on her friends in a subconscious way and like. Yeah, you wanted to make partner and get married, but those were their only real goals. And then the gold that you had you left. And people said I being better than you and you always get jealous. I never understood why Joel was jealous of her best friend who kept on crying to her saying how much she needed her asking, if she's messing app this man's life or she's going to be a good mom and everything and during that whole relationship. Whenever like when Joan first found out that Tony was going to get married or was engaged. I should say. And Tony said no. She went off and told Gary that she got engaged. I don't know who in the right mind goes on and tell someone else's someone's business, but that's exactly what she did. Then, when she does get actually engaged. Joan is being fake when Maya had her re-engagement party in to throw the wedding that she won. It Joan still couldn't even be happy for Maya, so let's be real. If lynn wasa had gotten married before drone, she would have blown all the way up
I also hated her, I thought that was the point of toni. As a matter of fact, the only one who didn’t get me angry at some point or other was maya. But that’s the whole point. I think this makes the portrayal authentic
I still dream about making a never going back to Fresno fund lol I have about $498,000 to go 🙃🙃🙃🙃.
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The only one who didn't annoy me as much was William. When Mya lied to Darnell about Joan buying her that watch to cover up her affair and Darnell got all in Joans face and publicly disrespected her at her job that was crazy. And then Mya had the nerve to give Joan an attitude when Joan confronted her about it. If I were Joan she would've been fired for that. Mya always took advantage of Joan being a kind boss because she was a user. Actually they all used her except William. He wasn't perfect, he had a lot of misogynistic ways but he was a true friend and never purposefully malicious. I still remember that episode the girls trashed her house because she didn't give them expensive christmas presents. What friends do that?
I love how they're both real life close friends. They show their friendship all the time on ig
Team hot Black women.
There aren’t many doing it like them anymore 😢
Hot and classy
Toni Childs is my favorite, I love to see black women who are self first
PERIOD
They are both just drop dead gorgeous, I would sometimes hold my breath when they got to be on screen!
That's such a relatable way of describing beholding their beauty. I love that.
Ok ill rewatch girlfriends again
😂😂😂
I think Monica is a more stable version of Toni. More solitary (which is okay) and self-possessed. Two sides of the same coin. I thought the girlfriends were shrewish where she was concerned. I think Monica handled herself maturely.
I'm actually in the midst of working on a dark skin representation video throughout the decades and I picked Toni for Y2K! I LOVE ALL BLACK BOUGIE CHARACTERS
🖤🖤🖤I appreciate the breakdown!!!
I lean more towards Toni Childs.
For one, I love her name 🤭 Secondly, better character development.
Also, because she was more relatable in my opinion.
For example:
Growing up from humble beginnings.
Self Made.
Has childhood traumas that she was willing to work through (going to therapy & church).
Extremely ambitious.
Always wanted the best for herself, and was unwavering about it.
Wanted a man to add to her lifestyle, not create it.
As a young black girl, Toni Childs taught me that no matter where you came from, you can reinvent yourself into who you want to be. Through incredible style & intelligence, black girls deserve and can achieve luxury in our life and be unapologetic about it.
Even through her “snobbish” ways, I lived for. Toni conveyed confidence (sometimes to the point of delusion 😂) that is needed at times, to be the best.
Especially in spaces where your competitors/colleagues don’t look like you. 💅🏿
Thank you for this content, it brings back great memories!
Loved when Monica joined the cast, as William's girlfriend!!! ❤❤❤
I love the Vixen/Feminine seductive style of Monica
I think Lynn and Mya didn’t like Monica because she’s was the embodiment of everything they weren’t and aspired to be. She knew what she wanted Lynn didn’t and she was also a kept women Mya wasn’t.
Mya also didn’t really know what she wanted so that could add to it too she just wasn’t insecure
I think that's the biggest thing. Monica is a mature woman who doesn't need friends where as Tony, Joan, Lynn and Mya are all kinda girly. Between Monica and Tony Monica doesn't need to do a lot to show off anything cause what does she need to prove where as Tony loves outside validation which also plays into why she isn't always around them cause Monica doesn't need GIRL-friends.
I don't think it's that deep. I think they didn't like her because she was an unapologetic, rude bitch. They didn't really know much about her for a long time outside of her abrasive personality
I loved Toni in her antics and character but Monica was it.
Monica came from money and was def not chasing money. Tony was always in survival mode (despite her outward expressions). Girlfriends is still one of my favorite shows 🫶🏾
Yes she stood on her own she wanted a career and a man to match her lifestyle while Monica wanted to be taken care of even if she has to mold a man to do so.
Let’s not forget they are both thin and keep their figures beautifully lean 😊
I always loved Toni because she was upfront about who she was and what she wanted 😂
That’s a fact 😂
Monica reminds me of Olivia Pope!!
I LOVED Toni's elegant crassness, but sometimes it veered too toxic for my liking. My style is more like Toni's but I have always regretted when I play with colour, I feel confident and gorgeous in neutrals. So as I get older (30 now) I feel more and more like Monica than Toni.
When Monica came into the fold it was over for Toni for me 🤷🏽♀️😂 Monica was the type of woman that Toni wished she was. Quiet as it kept, Toni was not quite as enterprising as she liked to make herself seem. Monica was really that girl, whereas Toni had to fake it until she made it.
Wasn’t Monica broke after her momma took control of daddy’s finances? Neither one of them had it all together. But they did fake it very well…
Monica didn’t have anything without her dad. When her mama cut her off she wasn’t shit. I do love her though lol
@@AveryFarrowfacts Toni came off the farm in Fresno to owning her own luxury real estate firm. Monica came from money
I loved Monica for Joan
Monica seemed to see her in a different light, while the other girls had a stuck viewpoint of Joan.
Toni didn’t have control but loved her
I am team Monica.
Me too! Might I add, screw X-Mas! William did well focusing on the bag.
I Love Monica Keesha Sharp 🤤
Team Monica
But I really did love Toni
Monica Wins Hands Down!!!
Tony had her Moments but Monica Brought More Elegance/Sophistication to The Show.
Not to Mention Toni Married A Brad on there, and Monica(Keesha Sharp) Actually Married to a White Man in Real Life.
I think Monica Got Toni With This One.💯
Great deep dive, I agree with your assessment and I would’ve loved to see more interaction between the two on the show. Toni def admired Monica, I remember when she was trying to order some fancy coffee that Monica mentioned, while the other women were pissed that she had William by the balls 😂.
Keshia so beautiful
Keesha Sharp (Monica) and Jill Marie (Toni) are both beautiful women.
They both have an age to be look exactly the same just stunning
I love a classic, chic look. It’s looks sooo good, but I think you should incorporate color. Color (especially the right shade of a color) does wonders for a look.
I think for the age that they were early 30s Toni’s Style was more appropriate. It was fun. It was carefree was still figuring it out. Monica style was good for an older woman who knew what she wanted and was secure and stable. Ironically, that’s exactly who Monica was so it really did fit her as well.
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I think you’re absolutely right!
i am experimenting with color !! brown skin women have a ton of options
yes we do!! Gotta love it!
16:17. I was hoping you would mention that scene. Monica and Toni: Game recognizes game
Yay another video on these beauties🥰
Hope you enjoy!!☺️
I Love Lynn 🤤😍
She's Highly Underrated to Me
I met Toni in person she is si beautiful, down to yo earth and didn't act privileged as a celebrity. Very approachable & love her spirit Jill Marie is classy at its finest
Forever a Toni girl❤️
Monica was a challenge for Toni!
It was always Tonii! No comparison love Monica tho in the later seasons
Toni is me and my moms favorite ❤️ she always reminded me of my mom 😂❤
Toni gave us so many classic moments on the show!
Toni childs and that’s it
I LOVE THEM BOTH.
Some people will walk around with designer labels made with poor fabric (outlet shoppers) I buy minds at the main store off season. Summer clothes in September/ winter in March. Better quality clothes and much cheaper. You can still get a wear before the weather changes with this global warming. Outlet clothes are made for outlets only. Back in day it was for irregulars that didn’t past inspections. But it was quality fabrics.
as far as style I lean more towards Toni
Both of my childhood crushes
More videos please!!
One on Lynn Please 🥺
I know Toni was a character but somethings about her I Loved!
Interesting, I do get your opnion and agree in some aspects but the point about Maya and Lynn I think was a reaction to Joan changing after the JSpot opening and to me worry that she was going to revert back into party Joan who drove Toni away. I think thats also fair because Monica and Joan both display characteristics that are mean girl esque as well but particulary in the latter seasons where Joans materialism and classism isnt called out as much. They may have seen her being friends with Monica as pedaling back? I dunno either way your videos are fire and im happy that youre sharing your art with us!
That’s an interesting point! I wish Joan could have figured out a way to have her IT girl moment out without alienating her friends so much. They do also mention that Joan was trying to replace Toni with Monica instead of processing her feelings properly so that may have been a part of it too
Classism? Yeah, no
I used to LOATHE Monica because she was bougie, but wasn't self-made. I thought self-made was the only way to be and loved Toni for being her own success.
Monica was a way better character. Talk about the best wife on the show. She knew how to put fire under her man to do better for himself and the family. Toni’s character was evil towards friends, men, and family. She was insecure and just sad. I felt bad for her.
I truly like Toni.... Monica is an acquired taste and I still don't like her . However I get the end game.
My favorite Toni,Lynn, Monica, Joan, Mya in that order😂😂
Monica, Lynn, Maya, Toni, Joan In That Order For Me 😅
Lynn Toni and Monica
I can’t choose and i refuse to 😂 I love em both.
Next topic: Living Single Vs. Girlfriends.
There Would Be No Girlfriends Without Living Single!!!
@@gregoryjones9546 Or Friends, from what I've heard.
@@twistedhalo759 BINGO. The Creator Of Friends Said He Wanted A Show Just Like Living Single When He Was Asked. Then The Next Year He Made A GENTRIFIED/WHITEWASHED Version On NBC And Friends Came Into Existence!!! #LivingSingleWasHereFirst
I loved Monica. I really did. But Toni Childs was the show. We saw what happened when she left. It went downhill and then it got canceled very shortly after. Even though they were on the show at the same time at one point it just seemed like Monica was a bootleg Toni🤷🏾♀️ They felt the void after Toni's departure And they try to fill it with Monica but it just didn't hit the same. Toni Childs was just too special ❤️
Congratulations 👏🏾!
Thank you!!🙏🏾
I loved Toni Childs but because her character & the way she looked was the most similar to mine lmao. As bad as that is, it’s so hard to hate someone so gorgeous, as long as they don’t do anything unforgivable.
I hated the things she did sometimes but she remains one of my favs!
Team Toni
I loved this show - I was mostly a, Lynn, girlie. But, when, Toni left the show (her character was getting a bit too mean - cause she didn't do her "do diligence" on her husband) and Joan no longer had her home (cause she moved in with boyfriend/fiancé/husband) the writings and locations of sets just got a bit to boring and the storylines were ok but not great... If there was a reboot with the original writers and new storylines - I'd probably watch it...
Toni's husband went into debt because of Toni's excessive spending. He did eventually pay off his debts after they divorced. Toni forgot doctors are not multi-millionaires.
Nope he was already in debt
well yes and no... During their courtship and during an argument (i think this was right before their wedding and right after he moved in with Toni and she found out he was broke) Todd admitted he was afraid the man he was wouldn't be enough for Toni as he could tell the type of person she was(materialistic, self-centered, putting herself first etc.) and tried to buy her love and affection with lavish gifts. He put on a show for her and she didn't do her own research into his finances. He was already $750,000 in medical school debt when he finished and on top of gifting Toni expensive gifts and her demands in wedding planning who knows how much more he had to spend. When Toni's ring was stolen and he discovered that she had a nest egg of approximately $500,000 or a little more he wanted to use her entire savings to pay off most of his debt and she immediately denied him. During their separation and eventual divorce we learn that Todd's mother paid off his debt and even bought him a house during their custody battle so not only was Todd financially stable in the eyes of the court but he was able to start off his career debt free and actually having quite a steady income coming in, just not what Toni thought he already had like with one of her former flings Dr. Clay (in season 1) who was a well-off doctor and gave Toni lavish gifts, already had a mansion, (probably a millionaire) could very well provide her with the life she wanted and even proposed to her but also infected her with Chlamydia.
Team Toni ❤️
Toni supposedly stashed away half a million dollars. At least that's what Toni shared with Maya and Lynn while sitting in a restaurant.
I Loved Toni, Until She Married That Yt Man,Then It Just Got WACK. Monica As William's Girlfriend/Wife Was A Great Replacement In The Later Seasons!!!
I like Monica wayyyyy better than Toni. Toni is horribly vain, arrogant, very immature,
Toni was pretty successful 👌 but stubborn rude and money hungry in a bad way at least monica wanted to uplift her man i despise toni 😑 😅cried when she left because her story was important but monica was my fav and who i aspire to be or see myself as already she had a plan saw it execute it ❤
monica doesn’t want a day w toni 😂😂
Monica was who she was and didn’t know a difference. That’s the way she grew up. Toni was a wannabe and grew up knowing a difference because of Joan Clayton, her best friend back ground.
do sex and the city next! or the game!!!
"The Game" Fo Sho
I appreciate your content but we love the girlfriends. Please do other shows like the parkers. One on one.etc
I definitely will! 💕
"The Game" too
❤❤❤❤
I wanted to be Toni until Monica came along…. And I’m a gay male
So let me get this walky winky, u mean to tell me Toni is mean? Do u think shes mean to herself?
Toni was more bougie than Monica.
Loving these Girlfriends deep dives. 🩵 Edited to add I’d play in both their closets! Monica for every day Toni when I wanna step it up a notch.
You’re on to something there!!
Wanna See "The Game" Breakdown Too