That line at 5:30 about unstable identity and mental illness is literally the single biggest societal issue today. The destruction of identity is deliberate.
Are you implying identity never changes? Of course we are always undergoing struggle and change with who we are, to imply otherwise is absurd. JBP seems to think that uncertainty = despair, when that couldn't be further from the truth. It's ironic that JBP talks about Nietzsche so much yet seems to fall right into the trap that Nietzsche outlines with objective theories of truth. Rebelling against change and our desire to evolve (the will to power) results in the very misery JBP claims is caused by embracing it. If we mold ourselves to the expectations of society we are never capable of becoming who we want to be. This is why Nietzsche was so against Christianity, yet JBP seems to think that changing this identity will result in misery.
@@aidanm.655You're conflating the growth or transformation of personality for those persons who're unable to commit to any given identity. The unstable identity talked about does not imply that this identity is constantly transforming and growing; thereby being unstable. Rather, it's asserting that the person is unable to commit to any identity and therefore has to change their identity in order to avoid confronting who/what they are.
@@aidanm.655 Also, Nietzsche is guilty of this dodging of identity; of masking in the same way he accuses Christians of. His obsession with Christ but unwillingness to submit himself to the Eternal Logos is what gives him his characteristic thirst for life and being. So in order to cope with wanting and desiring Christ, who is the Bread of Life, Nietzsche has to reinvent Christ through his Übermensch whom he said would have to be "The Roman Caesar with Christ's soul." Which quite literally just describes the hypostatic union in Christ of the Divine and Human natures. He wants Christ but will do anything but submit to Christ. Exhibiting the spirit of Antichrist and necessitating that he never examines himself too closely. Less he finds that Christ Jesus was all he needed.
If you read Foucault through the lens of the beginning of Nietzsche's Beyond Good And Evil ("Supposing truth is a woman -- what then?"), where he argues that every philosopher is implicated in his own philosophy which reveals his base, human desires: and then look at the work of Foucault (specifically 'The History of Sexuality', both volumes), it becomes very clear Michel Foucault was trying to justify all manner of perversion, including pedophilia. Looking at how he lived, how he died (and what he died from) further exemplifies this. Common Nietzsche W. :D
@@CriticalEyeMMA guy sorman didnt even know foucault well and he retracted his statements. you all are showing a very strong case of confirmation bias. from the same crowd that proclaims innocence until proven guilty says this about foucault without looking much into it. He very well may have been a pederast but the evidence is shaky in my honest opinion. Good article on this called "The Black Masses of Michel Foucault, the Bullshit of Guy Sorman".
The simple explanation is that they are "gaslighting" the children. Confusing them by telling them that they are a certain way and they are not aware of it.
Real example happened to my kids in the 90's. Schools preach against bullying. A kid squirted a ketchup pkt at another. Next day, Principle announces no one will be allowed condiment packets until further notice. Result? The whole lunchroom is cussing out the kid who squirted the pkt. Mass bullying.
I worked with some very woke orientated people in the early 2010's and it took me really long time to realise what they wanted was power to bully their peers. What shocked me in particular was their tendency to target a young , gay , vulnerable, hyper agreeable man. Vulnerability inflamed their desire for dominance. It took me a long time to realise that. I thought their tantrums and cruelty came from a desire for a spontaneous and open world where harmony was arrived at by a kind of cathartic Freudian openess if the dark side. It took me about five years to realise what they wanted was the freedom to indulge hatred of anyone they considered an easy target. I am - or was - very idealistic and post modern. I'm in favour of no rules. But that's not what they want. It took me a long time to realise the difference between what they said and what they wanted. They want the cruelty of despotism. If course as Peterson said - they suffered immensely. The harder they bullied and punched and manipulated and lied - the less they felt they were surrounded by unconditional love and support , which is probably what they wanted in the beginning before all this stuff rotted Thier brains like golumn in his cave .
Gosh, it's almost as if people who will not recognize/incorporate their shadow, who instead believe themselves to be completly morally pure, end up being puppeted by all the animalistic urges they insist they don't have.
So important to highlight the attraction of any version of Marxism (veiled or otherwise) for creative young people. And why it is devastatingly misleading. I wish that these things would have been stated much more explicitly... Or even hinted at when I was in school.
How much of this is shrouded and part of everyday public school curriculums? The concept of this is so alien to regular moms and dads that if JP spelled it out to them in an auditorium, most would probably go into a disassosciative state. It's just a bridge too far.
The call is to be vigilant on what one is internalizing. So if I am positioned psychologically against the dominant grain, am I actually "queer"? Or in this example a mideval saint, everyone's got to sort themselves out and no doubt the actual lives of queer identified and saint may have more in common than what we'd assume. Basic logic and common sense and probability would lead to a no, most of the time; just being against the grain would make you no more queer than someone experiencing stigmata. Unfortunately there are so many ideas out there now all vying for attention self publishing and podcasting being what they are, to hopefully take hold and yet there is no educational framework for evaluating the functionality or morality of any idea over another. If you understand Foucault good for you, he's quite tedious as are most men sitting around extrapolating the world pen in hand. But few leave university with backbone common sense and strong sense of moral purpose. My takeaway on the point about foucault is that your life's work can exist in a silo cut off from who you actually are which is not living bit hiding& that all students of life should be aware of this trap/disassociation from consensual reality, whether you align with it or not. Though the latter, is quite an uncomfortable existence if you are not attached to good people that care about you and work with you to arrive at healthy outcomes. The work of parenting in this world is quite arduous today. Requires less reading than I once did and way more prayer and meditation to bring measure and patience into a child's life when all the world would lead a child to believe sky is falling nonstop for some bs soc med driven "reason". I appreciate the discussion in this piece. I listened a few times.
Most people do not know about the fact that Foucault was also employed as a propagandist by the French intelligence agencies.With the blessing of French and American intelligence agencies he frequently travelled between US and France ,spreading post-modern propaganda among academia people .The reason western intelligence agencies would promote him is due to the fact that they wanted the academic left to support another radical leftist alternative to Soviet supported marxism (during the Cold War marxism was very popular among many leftist intellectuals and Western governments feared Soviet intelligence agencies would Ideologically subvert the West though academic marxist propaganda).So postmodernism was “sold “ by the French intellectuals (supported by French intelligence agencies) as the “new left”,to redirect leftists from economic issues (for e.g. , criticism of capitalism) to social issues (gay rights,trans rights,african american rights,etc),so capitalist governments would not have to worry about the marxist propaganda.
The problem with that thesis is that other Leftists who predated Foucault by decades had already been advocating for a switch from traditional Marxism (class warfare, anti-Capitalism, etc...) to social issues. The likely first among them was Antonio Gramsci, and followed by various members of the Frankfurt School - notably Herbert Marcuse. But remember, the idea of "queer" as defined by Halperin, was baked into the cake of Marxism from the start by Marx himself. In Chapter 4 of "Das Kapital", Marx says that the ends of Communism can only be attained by the violent overthrow of all existing social conditions. Essentially a less gnostic, more direct definition of queer.
@@whatdoyoulivefor735Ya, Foucault was a creep and his work has had some seriously negative implications. He is a good writer, though, and gives a clear and detailed look at the psyche of a degenerate intellectual.
@@whatdoyoulivefor735 Foucault was a creep, no doubt. But his writing gives a glimpse into the psyche of a degenerate intellectual unlike anything else.
I’m the early 2000s I had a prof that had us read Foucault. She thought no one understood it. I think she misunderstood lack of agreement with misunderstanding
“Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society which is coming where everyone is interdependent.” John Dewey, father of American public education. From his 1898 essay "The Primary-Education Fetish". Homeschool, please.
Yes but the problem is most 2 parent households require both parents to work. And homeschooling has been so bashed. It's too bad. John Dewey is a forgotten genius of social theory and education
@@madfoxcityemnau6414 I couldn't possibly agree less. Dewey's not forgotten. His cynicism and fervent desire to impose "a fully formed public opinion" is embedded deeply in our education system. I'm not at all sure what you mean about homeschooling being "bashed" but the majority of spelling bee winners and most of the really bright people we've met lately have been homeschooled. Dewey is one of the greater parts of the problem. My suggestion was to home school. There are other alternatives that will keep the state from inculcating children with their garbage. The oft proposed voucher system and or private schools where parents can monitor what their children are learning are good ways to go.
@@aldonapolitano5979 Homeschool is bashed by the majority of people is what they meant. It's seen as raising weirdos with no social skills... all while kids attending public schools have higher and higher rates of social anxiety, depression, bullying, etc.
Michel Foucault's dark past in Tunisia resurfaces. ‘Ignoble’, “morally hideous”, Guy Sorman's words are unequivocal when he talks, not only to the Sunday Times but also elsewhere, about the actions of Michel Foucault that he allegedly witnessed. The events date back to the late 1960s, when Michel Foucault was living as a teacher in Tunisia. At the time, essayist Guy Sorman was spending his Easter holidays in the village of Sidi Bou Saïd, on the northern outskirts of Tunis, where Michel Foucault had made his home. ‘There were children of 8, 9 and 10 running after him,’ he recalls. He threw money at them and said: ‘Meet me at 10pm at the usual place’. That place, according to Guy Sorman, was the village cemetery. ‘He had sex here, on the graves, with young boys’, continues the essayist. The question of their consent didn't even arise. He would never have dared to do that in France, there's a colonialist dimension, a white imperialism’. Today, Guy Sorman says he regrets not having denounced Michel Foucault's ‘despicable’ and ‘morally hideous’ actions to the police or in the press.
Guessing him doing it in a cemetery, over graves, was not just some fetish of his but was the purpose of doing it in the most taboo way possible, embracing the essence of Queer theory in every way.
I don’t know if the allegations are true or false. But, knowing Foucault followed Nietzche, wouldn’t be surprised if true… Nietzchean philosopher-king does not ask for consent. He takes whatever he wants. This is the philosophy that is worshipped in the academia all over the world.
It reminds me of that amazing and appropriately disturbing Leonard Cohen song: "You want it darker, we kill the flame." Thank you again for this invaluable conversation!
@@danie-v2o I enjoyed your comment but I don't think it's such a difficult thing to figure out. Raise your own kids how you like. Education isn't supposed to be religious or dogmatic. Science certainly shouldnt be. I don't understand the desire by some, usually those without children, to spend so much time trying to set up these weird systems. Most of which us decent parents have to guard our children against. Especially these days. I don't mean to dismiss any of what you said but I do think it's really that simple. W/respect I'm a simple guy though.
@@danie-v2o I truly do enjoy your comment. You seem incredibly intelligent and I'm actually envious of your ability to make such a complete and comprehensive comment.
Yes that's empirically true The human LEFT PFC the thought process never learns anything, or makes a new thing or creates a new idea No matter how much we worship the false idol of human cleverness All we are doing is remembering what was created before, just using dead unmoving things and pretending we create movement, Its all just a poor imitation of biological reality
@@dmsdad6866 Bc only God is the Creator. He created literally every thing. Satan doesn’t have that power. He can only corrupt what’s already there. He can disguise his corruption to make it appear enticing but he can’t create/make anything. Only steal, kill and destroy.
Everytime I mention this truth, and that every other forefather of it was as sick. Like a mantra, all people who have bought these lies have said a variant of "the past should not ruin our present and future". Makes me wonder if they have been told this, and have witnessed how is always someone else infecting others with the sick ideology.
Unburdoned by what has been, huh? Is that a deceptive way of saying "socialism didn't work ANY of the times before but it will work THIS TIME because we infiltrated every nation and began by lying and deceiving all the citizens to bring you all utopia. The end will justify those means and you're all going to thank us in the end!" OR CONVERSELY "we're going to make the attrocities of the 20th century look like a girl scout weenie roast and we have 7 billion people owned by a global govt to sacrifice along the way. Whoever is left in the end will THANK US!" Signed ~ The evil mofo's forcing compliance to their sick ideology upon everyone on planet earth. No more Americans. No more British. No more Italians or Irish or Mexican or ANY of the nationalities that once made up our world. We are all to fight amongst ourselves until all cultural cohesion is lost and everyone is the same compliant NOTHING ruled over by our masters that expect gratitude and obedience for raising THEIR utopia. Own nothing and be happy!
I appreciate you Jordan because I have a good grasp of the English language. Not all do. Keep up the noble fight. I am trying my best to simplify your ideas for a broader audience with my own art.
I just finished a sociology degree in Ireland, as a mature 32 year old woman... and I am furious that nobody told me this about Foucault when we were learning about him.. wtf
I dont like Foucault either but we learn about him because as a scholar hes significant. As a sociologist myself I dont know who gave you your degree if you think that just because you think someone is nasty we shouldn't learn about them. I study the sociology of genocide and I studied Mein Kampf and other genocide manifestos, but doesnt mean I agree with them. You can't formulate a critique without knowing what the other side says
Don't believe what you're told so easily. You didn't learn Foucault very well if you didn't learn that. He's not here to defend himself, I certainly wouldn't take Peterson's biased view of Foucault as a full and final truth. I don't believe Peterson comes close to Foucault intellectually, especially in terms of creating an original thought. Peterson seems to have regurgitated rote learned information, whereas Foucault thought his own thoughts, from a deep analysis of the intellectual melieu he was a product of, he had a critical ontology. He was not the Saint of child indoctrination, he didn't tell people to go and indoctrinate children. He did show, however, how we are indoctrinated, eg. Through works like Discipline and Punishment, History of Sexuality, Madness and civilization. Many years ago, I was profoundly shaped by my very simple research into postmodernism and Poststructuralism. It led me to Foucault. I was attempting to be reflexive at the time and learn about myself. I had come from an upbringing as a Ward of the State who had experienced abuse and was cultureless, identity-less, and had no idea what to believe. The insights I gained from Foucault were profound. His work helped me to realize how I was socially controlled and indoctrinated and a social experiment for the fledgling social welfare system of my time. How, more so, I was indoctrinated by my education, government, and society to believe its artificial roles and systems. There is no amount of demonizing that is going to convince me that Foucault is a Satan or something. I'm sure he wasn't perfect, but his contribution far outweighs any wrongs he may have done as a flawed human being. I will forever be grateful for the critical ontology Foucault espoused or suggested and for his genealogical method. Both of which could profoundly advance human endeavours like bioengineering, neuroscience, even, computer science.
The distinction made between gay and queer in this video was eye opening. Ive known some normal gay people through my life and met one group of queer people. They had a distinct energy to them which differed to normal gays. I hadnt figured out how or exactly why they were different till now
In a way, creativity can only exist in opposition to society, because creativity that is incorporated by society becomes normalized and thus is no longer creative. I think the problem is that many have made the error of believing that opposition to society itself is a form of creativity, which it is not.
And if you join a massive sub culture that counts millions of individuals you are still subjected to the same level of scrutiny and conformity to an ideology. "It doesn't matter if they are black or white sheep, they are still sheep".
No, it's simply antagonism - a negative reflection of what is "normal". There have always been people who live/function at the antagonist fringes, myself somewhat included... what the woke have done with queer theory is to attract and harness their energy for its own ends.
I disagree. I don't think creativity is necessarily at odds with anything. If we associate the word 'creative' with the words 'new' or 'different', the instinct is to assume that it must be at odds. But a different method of stacking bricks might simply be more efficient than the old, it might accomplish the same end result with less work. That doesn't put it at odds with stacking bricks; that puts it at greater harmony with it! This is not to say creativity is always part and parcel, in fact it often is not. Perhaps a better lesson would be to temper creativity with caution?
I didn't know what Jordan said about Foucault. I was taught him while I was at University when going for an English degree. I got a lot of indoctrination information, and this was back between 2009-2013.
If you are ruled by your emotions, you can be controlled by anything. This should be self evident by now for people, especially since the Stoics have been writing about this for centuries.
@@unknowninfinium4353 Foucault's concepts of biopower and biopolitics are the perfect antidote to the hellish covid lockdowns we lived through. You don't have a clue.
This certainly explains the nihilism of the Left. Never understood why they seemed to want to destroy society even if it meant going down with the ship themselves. However, what's a bit shocking is that the LG+B_T movement appears to have been essential in creating this ideology. Does this mean they are an existential threat?
Make no mistake…the demonic is at work. It’s a spiritual battle…turn back to God (repent) accept Christ…be baptised in The Holy Spirit…and pray, pray like never before…this is not going to be stopped by conversations, debates or opposing theories.
These people ruined blue hair for me lol I always liked it until I saw the inside. Vapid, empty, cold, static, chaos. Ever seen someone eyes turn totally black right in front of you? Ever seen the “Cheshire Cat” smile in the moment of what you thought was supposed to be solemn lamentations? It’ll give you chills, and not the good kind. PTSD is a learning experience too.
Thank you for saying this. I am transgender, I like to dress very liberal and behave very liberally, but I am very far right politically. I am a diligent supporter of the free market, unrestricted firearm access to law abiding citizens, I strongly dislike government, I strongly dislike controlled expression (especially with regards to language), and I have never belonged with the crowds of raving narcissists that makeup the LGBT cult.
Maybe the majority of homossexual and transgender people are just like that, willing to carry on with their lives without bothering anyone. But the histerical whistleblowing minority ruins the whole group's reputation.
If you don't mind my asking, as you seem sane enough, what prompts your categorization as transgender? Some form of dysphoria? Sexual thrill? Social necessity? My experience with myself and others I have met leads me to believe that the dysphoria in particular is usually a misguided attempt of the mind to reassociate with a pre-abuse state of childhood which is at odds with the physically changed stage after puberty. A boy is more feminine than a man, a girl more masculine than a woman. Very difficult to find people not neck deep in cult thinking to ask about it.
Seriously you guys those are insane questions to ask a stranger on the internet and OP being trans doesn't change that. Insofar as you have legitimate questions, google is your friend. If google doesn't have the answer because it relates to them personally, there's zero chance it's appropriate to ask a stranger online about it in a public forum! I say in all candor if you asked an ordinary straight cis man such things IRL there is a very decent chance they'd think very seriously about knocking you out... I am pretty sure there is no way you ever would ask stuff like that to a non-trans person though, it'd be frankly loony, like "hey you don't know me, but mind telling me about how you go to the bathroom and all about any childhood trauma you have? Cos like I have a bunch of weird homebrew psych theories I'd like to soundboard off you". I am a very right-wing guy but this thread actually makes even me wonder if maybe the left had a point on this topic all along because it's totally WHACK. Honestly folks like yall give so much more ammunition to the socialist crazies than they deserve, if I wasn't so firm in my belief that much of the LGBT activist crowd has gone completely insane I'd be seriously questioning the side I was on reading a thread like this... Reminds me of that Mitchell and Webb "are we the baddies?" bit lol, and I guess just reminds me that everyone has smart folks and folks who haven't got a clue on "their team"...
Not to detract from this video, but I wanted to say shoutout to Dr. Peterson for going onto Kill Tony! He continues to reach different parts of the internet community and I love it! Hats off for that.
Habermas asked Foucault how is it that you can affirm propositions in public policy, affirm political philosophy, and philosophical ideas and yet make no affirmation or negation of any moral judgement. Foucalt raged and said nothing. He later would say it was enlightenment blackmail😂
I think you mean originality. If you're a creativity is manifested by copying someone else's creativity that is still creativity. It's just not original.
Good point. The woke are lock step conformists to whatever the elite of woke say it is, and anyone who deviates from that even a tiny bit gets kicked out of the club. So, I'll say, this is just a powerful weapon being used to tear down western civilization, not "normal" per se. The street level wokies don't know that, they feel they are just being rebels for the sake of maximum "inclusiveness." But the leaders know the long game is Communism, so the destructive forces are always tightly focused on the western order exclusively.
I love this guest Mr Lancing. 😃 He is an intellectual who improves proportionally to the interviewer's speech. 😊 And he is the most daring of those who know how to talk about rude 🤤and well-educated🏅 people. And it's finely sarcastic.😸 From Europe 🏰🥓🍷🥐🩰🎻👙💂♂️
@@JakobusMaximus More of the point was that kids will grow up into a world that consists of both men and women, and thus need positive examples of both so as to be experientially familiar with both sexes. Those who have limited exposure to one or the other find themselves more uncomfortable and anxious around those they had little exposure to, therefore contextualizing expectations of interaction from a maladaptive set of assumptions. We took that for granted for decades in our struggles to adapt to an unorthodox social fabric
Feelings are good servants, still better friends, but terrible masters. Any feeling, no matter how elevated or beautiful in itself, if not controlled, can unhinge my mind and disorganise my life.
Glad Peterson had this conversation. James Lindsay has been talking about this in his small speaking events around the country and world. Especially the meaning of Queer.
This was excellent, high consciousness, not hateful or overly angry, informative, grounded in fact, and highly relevant, Peterson at his best. Sometimes, in recent years, he has seemed adrift in the culture wars, discourse descending into rants, but this is him at his best, glad to see it.
These interviews, while highly informative and insightful are difficult to follow when Jordan constantly interrupts and interjects. I love Jordan Peterson, don't get me wrong, but allowing the interviewee to finish and completely articulate their thoughts and points would be awesome. I definitely want to hear Jordan react and his subsequent analysis but I feel he often asks a question only to cut off the answer and replace it with his own.
Foucault ... I recall reading something he wrote once and finding it intriguing until...after thinking about it some more, realized he had spouted nothing but unrestrained empty nonsense. Blathering meaningless words. It is startling to think he is still influential. I thought he would have been long forgotten after the 80s cocaine hangover had subsided.
I call my city a country town. That’s the way that it feels. Sections of the city have a identity of there own. Yesterday at the grocery store a big group of giggling girls just cut off from the rest of the world. He he laughing. So when I said something to them. I was behind them in line and in leaving , they all turned around to face me . Then they pointed to a boy in the middle of the group dressed in a halter top and mini skirt. These kids were maybe 10. They then asked me if I thought he looked “ pretty “. As they went on I knew why they were guarded and seemed rebellious in their laughter. I was shocked. This definitely looked like kids that hadn’t made it even to middle school yet. I felt so bad for that boy. Wondering how he came to be in that situation and also if his parents even knew anything like this was going on. I thought no more denying it. This is a real social issue that has to be addressed - like yesterday. I am still shocked by the memory. 😮
Of all the things I’ve watched on YT this year, THIS one is the most compelling and fascinating! I’ve watched it 5 times and it is so revelatory! Thank you to both of these brilliant authors for casting a bright light in the darkness that is Marxism and all of that evil and foul man’s adherents.
hi-lighter hair, hardware faces does NOT auto-indicate ‘creativity’. many and most of us who dont “fit in” dont care and/or have no interest in participation and identification with another group or group think.
To veer away from the norm can still be normal but Jordan Peterson is right to say in so many words, “but what gives” if it is not based on principles that would make things right or better, that would be hell from youth to a certain age. Man is for a woman and woman is for a man, no offence to the saint who defined queer, being gay at that.
it says a lot that psychology elevated Foucault the way it did. It seems to me like, it's another of the breaking apart signs of what psychology used to be, before the education system that we know today, and what it used to be when It was more deeply related to philosophy and Theology.... huge gap in what it's values were against what they're now.
Foucault does not look French. I was always creative, open and in the arts with NO family support, but never wanted to be like these woke types. It doesn't follow ooeness to be a communist or a freak. Itjust means you are more tolerant of others. But that is also Catholic teaching.
To what degree do the social presuppositions about what men or women should do or how they are anticipated to be play into the formation of the "genuine" identity? In other words, how do we demarcate the genuine expressions of identity from the adopted? Does the adoption of some aspect of identity become genuine at some point? And to this extent, how genuine can the lens through which we identify these identity aspects, whether genuine or adopted, are indeed genuine? Or is it all merely a matter of choosing what the most helpful lens to view it all is? Food for thought, would love to discuss. Cheers
In one sense the attempt is being made to say: "Join me and together we will oppose everyone who believes in stability and social order until we have everyone disagreeing with everyone then we can disagree with each other. And by disagree we mean attack and try to destroy!"
Two thoughts: isn’t there a certain norm that has been created by the left for which you would be the demon of opposition? Also, it got me thinking about the work of Joseph Campbell for some reason and how conformity needs to be overcome.
When I set myself up against the world, because I was young and creative and angry, I just called it satanism because it was the perverse worship of opposition, and now I find that that's the same as queer. Well, you live and learn. Hail Malal
Learning does occur outside of pain. Children are great examples of this. Dogmatic Indoctrination needs to teach via pain and shame because their foundation is based on faith.
There was a religious movement that had as their slogan "Ecclesia Semper reformanda est" which is The Church must always be reformed. Isn't it ironic, that a few centuries later, Marx developed his religion based on the revolution forever. Division, strife, etc are hallmarks of both faiths. Seems the same spirit, not Christian, seems to be at work in both faiths.
Hello, can someone please help me. I’m looking for the book Mr. Lacing mentioned, the reason he started his book. He said the name Kevin + last name. And I would love to find and read it, so if you know the book I would greatly appreciate your help :). Thank you!
3:30 Definition of the word "queer" as understood (but not explained) by Queer Theory: "Unlike gay identity, queer identity need not be grounded in any positive truth or in any stable reality. Queer acquires its meaning from its oppositional relation to the norm. Queer is by definition whatever is at odds with the normal, the legitimate, the dominant. There is nothing in particular to which it necessarily refers. It is an identity without an essence." - Logan Lancing "[Queer is] an identity that is predicated on the negation of identity as such - both psychologically and socially." - Jordan Peterson
in my work with acults with extreme piercings, it has little/nothing to do with creativity. It is about looking fearless and dangerous. It is a reaction/adjustment to some kind of traumna
I hope JP isn't suggesting that pointing out what we feel needs improvement here or there in society is equivalent to being ungrateful for having things better than people in the 13th century. Otherwise this suggests that being grateful would mean we can't exercise freedom of speech and criticise anymore.
Well, Peterson has a particular axe to grind with those targeting children. You are part of the radical left by your own admission, can we hear your defense of the policies of your kin? What say you to the accusations levied against you? Have you a case for the transgendering of children? Have you a case for normalizing sexual deviancies to 5 and 6 year olds? Have you a case for Marxist praxis? The stage is yours, friend. Make your case!
The Saint reference is a play on Sartre's 'Saint Genet'. But Genet, despite being the embodiment of 'queer', was a victim/survivor himself of institutional abuse, and had a great deal of empathy and compassion, particularly as he grew older (read 'Prisoner of Love'). At University in the late 80s/90s you could see the Foucault myth taking hold...he had some good ideas, probably best expressed in 'Discipline and Punish', but some of his other work was just propaganda. His work on mental illness was rejected by multiple publishers until R D Laing gave a personal recommendation to publish. Foucault has a callousness about him that reeks of the pathological...he reminds me of another sexual radical, Willhelm Reich...some interesting thoughts, some bizarre ideas, but narcissistic and eventually absolutely lost contact with reality.
Would it be possible to develop an objective test for cognitive dissonance? It's difficult, if not impossible to have a meaningful conversation with anyone who actively dismisses any objective evidence contradictory to their closely protected paradigms. Examples being, Trump Derangement Syndrome, defenseless citizens are somehow safer, race determines intelligence, climate change catastrophists, womens right to choose murder, gender fluidity, etc.
Womens Right to choose murder? Do U mean abortion? I frequently comment on "reproductive rights" saying law may allow for abortion to go unpunished under certain circunstances. Still abortion is a murder on the most innocent and defenseless humsn being.
I dont like Foucault but this whole video is ad hominen. His philosophy and personal life don't really intertwine ideologically and can be held separate, unlike somebody else's... cough cough. Look at Peterson's body language between 3:15 - 3:25. Projecting insanely hard
I think why Peterson was bristling there was not because he was trying to construct an argument against Foucault’s philosophy but rather due to him being enraged and flabbergasted that anyone would try to call someone like Michael Foucault a “saint”.
I have a topic that you may want to do a video on that is quite insightful yet has some aspects of it hat makes it a little lighthearted. In the 20th century, a number of authors evolved exploring major Society issues. A number of them came through Science Fiction, which will allow them to do profound analysis, but in alien settings, so it wasn’t as challenging to humans per se. It was easier to criticize aliens in those situations than our current society. Here are a few of the novels and books that you may want to consider as a store and add many as you like : 1. Forbidden planet n the discussion of the ID. 2. The blending has psychology and mathematics in the foundation series. Novel not the films. 3. Things to come HG Wells film n book 4. Dune by Frank Herbert book the films aren’t as good
Jordan can't cease to interrupt but I don't see that as narcissism unless narcissism is a compulsion not to miss a chance to fluster someone else's idea.
12 minutes may be the typical lifetime for plastic bags in urban settings, but where most people live it's probably closer to double that. Not to mention, most people living in urban and suburban areas tend to save these plastic bags and reuse them for many other things. I don't know anyone that doesn't have a stash of plastic grocery bags at home. So maybe its a cultural issue more than a consumer issue. Paper bags are just as strong, that is if the store is willing to spend a few dollars more on the standard weight bags instead of opting for the cheapest, ie. lightest bags they can find. But plastic is far cheaper. Not to mention paper bags are a sustainable solution, but you won't hear that point brought up anywhere because it's about money, not the planet. Paper bags are produced from trees grown by the same companies that produce the paper. Just like any other farmed plant trees are harvested, and replanted to be harvested again in around 20 years. This has been done for a century at least.
@5:00 So "QUEER" means Marxist in the sense of being the "Anti-Thesis", and NOT the Thesis, or the Synthesis (in dialectical materialist terms) Sad IMHO
Two things to search up, setting their specific ideological factors aside for the moment, as they pertain to this vid; “Derrick Jensen Qeer theory jeopardy” where he presents some founding sources, and “disturbing attachments” by Amin, a Q theoretician or such who attempts to wrestles with the problematic origins of his crowd.
Looks very obvious to me that Jordan project onto Faucoult. He is not discussing Faucoults theories, but almost exclusively argues from an emotional bitter Position
That line at 5:30 about unstable identity and mental illness is literally the single biggest societal issue today. The destruction of identity is deliberate.
@@christophergriffin5551 nah. Stigma is.
Are you implying identity never changes? Of course we are always undergoing struggle and change with who we are, to imply otherwise is absurd. JBP seems to think that uncertainty = despair, when that couldn't be further from the truth. It's ironic that JBP talks about Nietzsche so much yet seems to fall right into the trap that Nietzsche outlines with objective theories of truth. Rebelling against change and our desire to evolve (the will to power) results in the very misery JBP claims is caused by embracing it. If we mold ourselves to the expectations of society we are never capable of becoming who we want to be. This is why Nietzsche was so against Christianity, yet JBP seems to think that changing this identity will result in misery.
This is why I absolutely hate the concept of 'deadnaming'. Absolutely demonic.
@@aidanm.655You're conflating the growth or transformation of personality for those persons who're unable to commit to any given identity.
The unstable identity talked about does not imply that this identity is constantly transforming and growing; thereby being unstable. Rather, it's asserting that the person is unable to commit to any identity and therefore has to change their identity in order to avoid confronting who/what they are.
@@aidanm.655
Also, Nietzsche is guilty of this dodging of identity; of masking in the same way he accuses Christians of.
His obsession with Christ but unwillingness to submit himself to the Eternal Logos is what gives him his characteristic thirst for life and being.
So in order to cope with wanting and desiring Christ, who is the Bread of Life, Nietzsche has to reinvent Christ through his Übermensch whom he said would have to be "The Roman Caesar with Christ's soul." Which quite literally just describes the hypostatic union in Christ of the Divine and Human natures.
He wants Christ but will do anything but submit to Christ. Exhibiting the spirit of Antichrist and necessitating that he never examines himself too closely. Less he finds that Christ Jesus was all he needed.
Groomers. What we've all noticed.
If you read Foucault through the lens of the beginning of Nietzsche's Beyond Good And Evil ("Supposing truth is a woman -- what then?"), where he argues that every philosopher is implicated in his own philosophy which reveals his base, human desires: and then look at the work of Foucault (specifically 'The History of Sexuality', both volumes), it becomes very clear Michel Foucault was trying to justify all manner of perversion, including pedophilia. Looking at how he lived, how he died (and what he died from) further exemplifies this.
Common Nietzsche W. :D
@@CriticalEyeMMA you live up to your name well haha
@@creed22solar123 I would hope so. Intellectual combat skills are at leasts as necessary as skill in physical combat. haha
@@CriticalEyeMMA guy sorman didnt even know foucault well and he retracted his statements. you all are showing a very strong case of confirmation bias. from the same crowd that proclaims innocence until proven guilty says this about foucault without looking much into it. He very well may have been a pederast but the evidence is shaky in my honest opinion. Good article on this called "The Black Masses of Michel Foucault, the Bullshit of Guy Sorman".
See the videos of Karlyn Borysenko, where they lay it all out in their own presentations. It is so much worse than you know.
The simple explanation is that they are "gaslighting" the children. Confusing them by telling them that they are a certain way and they are not aware of it.
It's a form of psychological warfare in the service of destabilizing society
Brainwashing is the word.
Never is a person so sure as the first book they read on a subject. Same for imprinting ideology like this.
Children can't handle metaphors and can't think critically - many parents are immature and can't handle that stuff either...
Real example happened to my kids in the 90's. Schools preach against bullying. A kid squirted a ketchup pkt at another. Next day, Principle announces no one will be allowed condiment packets until further notice. Result? The whole lunchroom is cussing out the kid who squirted the pkt. Mass bullying.
I worked with some very woke orientated people in the early 2010's and it took me really long time to realise what they wanted was power to bully their peers.
What shocked me in particular was their tendency to target a young , gay , vulnerable, hyper agreeable man.
Vulnerability inflamed their desire for dominance.
It took me a long time to realise that. I thought their tantrums and cruelty came from a desire for a spontaneous and open world where harmony was arrived at by a kind of cathartic Freudian openess if the dark side.
It took me about five years to realise what they wanted was the freedom to indulge hatred of anyone they considered an easy target.
I am - or was - very idealistic and post modern.
I'm in favour of no rules. But that's not what they want. It took me a long time to realise the difference between what they said and what they wanted. They want the cruelty of despotism.
If course as Peterson said - they suffered immensely. The harder they bullied and punched and manipulated and lied - the less they felt they were surrounded by unconditional love and support , which is probably what they wanted in the beginning before all this stuff rotted Thier brains like golumn in his cave .
It's will to power. The idea to put one's suffering on another so they will not have to feel it. It is a lie as there is no avoiding suffering
Thank you. I found your comment resonated with my experience and was very helpful to me.
You are correct
Gosh, it's almost as if people who will not recognize/incorporate their shadow, who instead believe themselves to be completly morally pure, end up being puppeted by all the animalistic urges they insist they don't have.
@@AlexReynard indeed, exactly.
So important to highlight the attraction of any version of Marxism (veiled or otherwise) for creative young people. And why it is devastatingly misleading. I wish that these things would have been stated much more explicitly... Or even hinted at when I was in school.
I've watched the full length of this intense and important conversation twice now. Thank you to both of these gentlemen; excellent work!
You can say this about any totalitarist system and religion. Young people need structure and are quite easily mislead.
How much of this is shrouded and part of everyday public school curriculums? The concept of this is so alien to regular moms and dads that if JP spelled it out to them in an auditorium, most would probably go into a disassosciative state. It's just a bridge too far.
@@johnobrien5037 what you say is chilling... And yet I absolutely agree. That is so well put.
The call is to be vigilant on what one is internalizing. So if I am positioned psychologically against the dominant grain, am I actually "queer"? Or in this example a mideval saint, everyone's got to sort themselves out and no doubt the actual lives of queer identified and saint may have more in common than what we'd assume. Basic logic and common sense and probability would lead to a no, most of the time; just being against the grain would make you no more queer than someone experiencing stigmata. Unfortunately there are so many ideas out there now all vying for attention self publishing and podcasting being what they are, to hopefully take hold and yet there is no educational framework for evaluating the functionality or morality of any idea over another. If you understand Foucault good for you, he's quite tedious as are most men sitting around extrapolating the world pen in hand. But few leave university with backbone common sense and strong sense of moral purpose. My takeaway on the point about foucault is that your life's work can exist in a silo cut off from who you actually are which is not living bit hiding& that all students of life should be aware of this trap/disassociation from consensual reality, whether you align with it or not. Though the latter, is quite an uncomfortable existence if you are not attached to good people that care about you and work with you to arrive at healthy outcomes. The work of parenting in this world is quite arduous today. Requires less reading than I once did and way more prayer and meditation to bring measure and patience into a child's life when all the world would lead a child to believe sky is falling nonstop for some bs soc med driven "reason". I appreciate the discussion in this piece. I listened a few times.
Most people do not know about the fact that Foucault was also employed as a propagandist by the French intelligence agencies.With the blessing of French and American intelligence agencies he frequently travelled between US and France ,spreading post-modern propaganda among academia people .The reason western intelligence agencies would promote him is due to the fact that they wanted the academic left to support another radical leftist alternative to Soviet supported marxism (during the Cold War marxism was very popular among many leftist intellectuals and Western governments feared Soviet intelligence agencies would
Ideologically subvert the West though academic marxist propaganda).So postmodernism was “sold “ by the French intellectuals (supported by French intelligence agencies) as the “new left”,to redirect leftists from economic issues (for e.g. , criticism of capitalism) to social issues (gay rights,trans rights,african american rights,etc),so capitalist governments would not have to worry about the marxist propaganda.
The problem with that thesis is that other Leftists who predated Foucault by decades had already been advocating for a switch from traditional Marxism (class warfare, anti-Capitalism, etc...) to social issues. The likely first among them was Antonio Gramsci, and followed by various members of the Frankfurt School - notably Herbert Marcuse. But remember, the idea of "queer" as defined by Halperin, was baked into the cake of Marxism from the start by Marx himself. In Chapter 4 of "Das Kapital", Marx says that the ends of Communism can only be attained by the violent overthrow of all existing social conditions. Essentially a less gnostic, more direct definition of queer.
When I saw Foucault in the syllabus at school last year a chill ran through me
His work is undeniably significant, and his writing is decent. Morals aside, you could do worse as far as academic reading lists. lol
@@CriticalEyeMMA not saying I didn't get anything out of it, in fact, I learned a lot. Still runs a chill through me nonetheless.
@@whatdoyoulivefor735Ya, Foucault was a creep and his work has had some seriously negative implications. He is a good writer, though, and gives a clear and detailed look at the psyche of a degenerate intellectual.
@@whatdoyoulivefor735 Foucault was a creep, no doubt. But his writing gives a glimpse into the psyche of a degenerate intellectual unlike anything else.
I’m the early 2000s I had a prof that had us read Foucault. She thought no one understood it. I think she misunderstood lack of agreement with misunderstanding
"Wer für alles offen ist, kann nicht ganz dicht sein."
"Who is open to everything, can't be 'tight'" (meaning: sane)
"Do what is good for you, because it is all you know"
- Pat Metheny
As Michael Knowles likes to say, "these people are so open-minded that their brains are spilling out!"
"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways."
Guten tag! Ich spreche Deutsch ein bisschen 🙂
@@andsalomoniWhat is good... for you?
“Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society which is coming where everyone is interdependent.”
John Dewey, father of American public education.
From his 1898 essay "The Primary-Education Fetish".
Homeschool, please.
Whoa, context please? 😮
@@mollsch6820 Kinda loose really but the context is (my bad) child indoctrination.
Yes but the problem is most 2 parent households require both parents to work. And homeschooling has been so bashed. It's too bad. John Dewey is a forgotten genius of social theory and education
@@madfoxcityemnau6414 I couldn't possibly agree less. Dewey's not forgotten. His cynicism and fervent desire to impose "a fully formed public opinion" is embedded deeply in our education system. I'm not at all sure what you mean about homeschooling being "bashed" but the majority of spelling bee winners and most of the really bright people we've met lately have been homeschooled.
Dewey is one of the greater parts of the problem. My suggestion was to home school. There are other alternatives that will keep the state from inculcating children with their garbage. The oft proposed voucher system and or private schools where parents can monitor what their children are learning are good ways to go.
@@aldonapolitano5979 Homeschool is bashed by the majority of people is what they meant. It's seen as raising weirdos with no social skills... all while kids attending public schools have higher and higher rates of social anxiety, depression, bullying, etc.
Michel Foucault's dark past in Tunisia resurfaces.
‘Ignoble’, “morally hideous”, Guy Sorman's words are unequivocal when he talks, not only to the Sunday Times but also elsewhere, about the actions of Michel Foucault that he allegedly witnessed.
The events date back to the late 1960s, when Michel Foucault was living as a teacher in Tunisia. At the time, essayist Guy Sorman was spending his Easter holidays in the village of Sidi Bou Saïd, on the northern outskirts of Tunis, where Michel Foucault had made his home. ‘There were children of 8, 9 and 10 running after him,’ he recalls. He threw money at them and said: ‘Meet me at 10pm at the usual place’.
That place, according to Guy Sorman, was the village cemetery. ‘He had sex here, on the graves, with young boys’, continues the essayist. The question of their consent didn't even arise. He would never have dared to do that in France, there's a colonialist dimension, a white imperialism’. Today, Guy Sorman says he regrets not having denounced Michel Foucault's ‘despicable’ and ‘morally hideous’ actions to the police or in the press.
When you know that, you see his philosophy in a new light : he was trying to justify himself being deviant.
Ah, good old times! Bring back the colonies!
Guessing him doing it in a cemetery, over graves, was not just some fetish of his but was the purpose of doing it in the most taboo way possible, embracing the essence of Queer theory in every way.
I don’t know if the allegations are true or false. But, knowing Foucault followed Nietzche, wouldn’t be surprised if true… Nietzchean philosopher-king does not ask for consent. He takes whatever he wants. This is the philosophy that is worshipped in the academia all over the world.
Too little, too late.
It reminds me of that amazing and appropriately disturbing Leonard Cohen song: "You want it darker, we kill the flame." Thank you again for this invaluable conversation!
I like that Cohen song.
@@markraftis me too 💛
High class contrarianism gone feral and infanticidal.
You are exactly what we say you are. Society is exactly what we say it is!
@@danie-v2o I enjoyed your comment but I don't think it's such a difficult thing to figure out. Raise your own kids how you like. Education isn't supposed to be religious or dogmatic. Science certainly shouldnt be. I don't understand the desire by some, usually those without children, to spend so much time trying to set up these weird systems. Most of which us decent parents have to guard our children against. Especially these days.
I don't mean to dismiss any of what you said but I do think it's really that simple. W/respect I'm a simple guy though.
@@danie-v2o I truly do enjoy your comment. You seem incredibly intelligent and I'm actually envious of your ability to make such a complete and comprehensive comment.
Satan can only counterfeit. Never create.
Yes that's empirically true
The human LEFT PFC the thought process never learns anything, or makes a new thing or creates a new idea
No matter how much we worship the false idol of human cleverness
All we are doing is remembering what was created before, just using dead unmoving things and pretending we create movement, Its all just a poor imitation of biological reality
Absolutely. 100%.
Satan apparently is a way cooler role model than the saints.
(According to the heavy metal bible)
How'd you come to this conclusion?
@@dmsdad6866 Bc only God is the Creator. He created literally every thing. Satan doesn’t have that power. He can only corrupt what’s already there. He can disguise his corruption to make it appear enticing but he can’t create/make anything. Only steal, kill and destroy.
Foucoilt was a demon
For sure.
He was a Russian plant to seed fundamentally seditious ideas into Western open minded societies.
Look within, you will find you are the demon.
Demon: Of Man. English isn't the only pattern in the English language. It contains German, French, and Spanish.
De: Of in Spanish
Mon: Man in French.
Or possessed by one.
sounds like trauma based mind control
@@howdarei6761 Exactly 👍 what it is!
Sounds like a mainstreamed version of mkultra.
Everytime I mention this truth, and that every other forefather of it was as sick. Like a mantra, all people who have bought these lies have said a variant of "the past should not ruin our present and future".
Makes me wonder if they have been told this, and have witnessed how is always someone else infecting others with the sick ideology.
Unburdoned by what has been, huh? Is that a deceptive way of saying "socialism didn't work ANY of the times before but it will work THIS TIME because we infiltrated every nation and began by lying and deceiving all the citizens to bring you all utopia. The end will justify those means and you're all going to thank us in the end!" OR CONVERSELY "we're going to make the attrocities of the 20th century look like a girl scout weenie roast and we have 7 billion people owned by a global govt to sacrifice along the way. Whoever is left in the end will THANK US!"
Signed ~ The evil mofo's forcing compliance to their sick ideology upon everyone on planet earth. No more Americans. No more British. No more Italians or Irish or Mexican or ANY of the nationalities that once made up our world. We are all to fight amongst ourselves until all cultural cohesion is lost and everyone is the same compliant NOTHING ruled over by our masters that expect gratitude and obedience for raising THEIR utopia. Own nothing and be happy!
Sick indeed it is.
It is now a political slogan, "What can be, unburdened by what has been."
""The past should not ruin our present and future"." "Okay, then I am not responsible for my ancestors owning slaves." "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE."
This is on par or worse than slavery.. It should be opposed with the same fervor. All children should be protected!🛡
Sounds worse than slavery, it's more in the Satanic realm.
Sadly they cannot be protected within a society that refuses to acknowledge there is a God (of Abraham, Isaac & Yacob).
@@hmgissing does any group love little boys more than priest?
I appreciate you Jordan because I have a good grasp of the English language. Not all do. Keep up the noble fight. I am trying my best to simplify your ideas for a broader audience with my own art.
Welcome to my club lol
I just finished a sociology degree in Ireland, as a mature 32 year old woman... and I am furious that nobody told me this about Foucault when we were learning about him.. wtf
That's wild to skip over
I dont like Foucault either but we learn about him because as a scholar hes significant. As a sociologist myself I dont know who gave you your degree if you think that just because you think someone is nasty we shouldn't learn about them. I study the sociology of genocide and I studied Mein Kampf and other genocide manifestos, but doesnt mean I agree with them. You can't formulate a critique without knowing what the other side says
Better to not know so you can remove bias bc he’s ideas are pretty interesting
Let's study that again, you learned nothing about sociology.
Don't believe what you're told so easily. You didn't learn Foucault very well if you didn't learn that. He's not here to defend himself, I certainly wouldn't take Peterson's biased view of Foucault as a full and final truth. I don't believe Peterson comes close to Foucault intellectually, especially in terms of creating an original thought. Peterson seems to have regurgitated rote learned information, whereas Foucault thought his own thoughts, from a deep analysis of the intellectual melieu he was a product of, he had a critical ontology.
He was not the Saint of child indoctrination, he didn't tell people to go and indoctrinate children. He did show, however, how we are indoctrinated, eg. Through works like Discipline and Punishment, History of Sexuality, Madness and civilization.
Many years ago, I was profoundly shaped by my very simple research into postmodernism and Poststructuralism. It led me to Foucault. I was attempting to be reflexive at the time and learn about myself. I had come from an upbringing as a Ward of the State who had experienced abuse and was cultureless, identity-less, and had no idea what to believe. The insights I gained from Foucault were profound. His work helped me to realize how I was socially controlled and indoctrinated and a social experiment for the fledgling social welfare system of my time. How, more so, I was indoctrinated by my education, government, and society to believe its artificial roles and systems.
There is no amount of demonizing that is going to convince me that Foucault is a Satan or something. I'm sure he wasn't perfect, but his contribution far outweighs any wrongs he may have done as a flawed human being. I will forever be grateful for the critical ontology Foucault espoused or suggested and for his genealogical method. Both of which could profoundly advance human endeavours like bioengineering, neuroscience, even, computer science.
Foucault, Kinsey, and Money...Hell’s unholy trinity.
Sartre Simone de Beauvoir etc etc
The distinction made between gay and queer in this video was eye opening. Ive known some normal gay people through my life and met one group of queer people. They had a distinct energy to them which differed to normal gays. I hadnt figured out how or exactly why they were different till now
William Burroughs laid the foundation for the development of the queer, postmodern paradigm. Bit of a degenerate, but definitely worth a read.
In a way, creativity can only exist in opposition to society, because creativity that is incorporated by society becomes normalized and thus is no longer creative. I think the problem is that many have made the error of believing that opposition to society itself is a form of creativity, which it is not.
And if you join a massive sub culture that counts millions of individuals you are still subjected to the same level of scrutiny and conformity to an ideology. "It doesn't matter if they are black or white sheep, they are still sheep".
No, it's simply antagonism - a negative reflection of what is "normal". There have always been people who live/function at the antagonist fringes, myself somewhat included... what the woke have done with queer theory is to attract and harness their energy for its own ends.
I've often thought, if you want to predict the future, look at what the creative people are doing
I disagree. I don't think creativity is necessarily at odds with anything.
If we associate the word 'creative' with the words 'new' or 'different', the instinct is to assume that it must be at odds. But a different method of stacking bricks might simply be more efficient than the old, it might accomplish the same end result with less work. That doesn't put it at odds with stacking bricks; that puts it at greater harmony with it!
This is not to say creativity is always part and parcel, in fact it often is not. Perhaps a better lesson would be to temper creativity with caution?
I didn't know what Jordan said about Foucault. I was taught him while I was at University when going for an English degree. I got a lot of indoctrination information, and this was back between 2009-2013.
If you are ruled by your emotions, you can be controlled by anything. This should be self evident by now for people, especially since the Stoics have been writing about this for centuries.
I get the feeling Professor Peterson doesn’t like Foucault very much
You know anyone who likes P3do’s?
I get the feeling Professor Peterson hasn't read much Foucault.
@@JS-dt1tnNo one needs too.
Nothing will be missed.
@@unknowninfinium4353 Foucault's concepts of biopower and biopolitics are the perfect antidote to the hellish covid lockdowns we lived through. You don't have a clue.
@@11235but Well said.
This explains so much so quickly.
This certainly explains the nihilism of the Left. Never understood why they seemed to want to destroy society even if it meant going down with the ship themselves.
However, what's a bit shocking is that the LG+B_T movement appears to have been essential in creating this ideology. Does this mean they are an existential threat?
Always remember the reason Foucault himself gave for going into education - "Because of the beautiful boys."
Make no mistake…the demonic is at work. It’s a spiritual battle…turn back to God (repent) accept Christ…be baptised in The Holy Spirit…and pray, pray like never before…this is not going to be stopped by conversations, debates or opposing theories.
I had a daughter-in-law who had blue hair when I met her. I thought it was just a style.. my son divorced her 2 years later. Thank you for sharing.
What was she like?
These people ruined blue hair for me lol
I always liked it until I saw the inside. Vapid, empty, cold, static, chaos.
Ever seen someone eyes turn totally black right in front of you?
Ever seen the “Cheshire Cat” smile in the moment of what you thought was supposed to be solemn lamentations?
It’ll give you chills, and not the good kind. PTSD is a learning experience too.
You probably didn’t do your job as a father if he brought her home
Thank you for saying this. I am transgender, I like to dress very liberal and behave very liberally, but I am very far right politically. I am a diligent supporter of the free market, unrestricted firearm access to law abiding citizens, I strongly dislike government, I strongly dislike controlled expression (especially with regards to language), and I have never belonged with the crowds of raving narcissists that makeup the LGBT cult.
Maybe the majority of homossexual and transgender people are just like that, willing to carry on with their lives without bothering anyone. But the histerical whistleblowing minority ruins the whole group's reputation.
Fair enough. But do you use the bathroom reserved for the opposite sex?
@@sarahhale-pearson533 no
If you don't mind my asking, as you seem sane enough, what prompts your categorization as transgender? Some form of dysphoria? Sexual thrill? Social necessity?
My experience with myself and others I have met leads me to believe that the dysphoria in particular is usually a misguided attempt of the mind to reassociate with a pre-abuse state of childhood which is at odds with the physically changed stage after puberty. A boy is more feminine than a man, a girl more masculine than a woman.
Very difficult to find people not neck deep in cult thinking to ask about it.
Seriously you guys those are insane questions to ask a stranger on the internet and OP being trans doesn't change that. Insofar as you have legitimate questions, google is your friend. If google doesn't have the answer because it relates to them personally, there's zero chance it's appropriate to ask a stranger online about it in a public forum! I say in all candor if you asked an ordinary straight cis man such things IRL there is a very decent chance they'd think very seriously about knocking you out...
I am pretty sure there is no way you ever would ask stuff like that to a non-trans person though, it'd be frankly loony, like "hey you don't know me, but mind telling me about how you go to the bathroom and all about any childhood trauma you have? Cos like I have a bunch of weird homebrew psych theories I'd like to soundboard off you". I am a very right-wing guy but this thread actually makes even me wonder if maybe the left had a point on this topic all along because it's totally WHACK.
Honestly folks like yall give so much more ammunition to the socialist crazies than they deserve, if I wasn't so firm in my belief that much of the LGBT activist crowd has gone completely insane I'd be seriously questioning the side I was on reading a thread like this... Reminds me of that Mitchell and Webb "are we the baddies?" bit lol, and I guess just reminds me that everyone has smart folks and folks who haven't got a clue on "their team"...
More people need to know this stuff
Some people know more, but we are ignored, marginalised because we say too much.
It's not a numbers game. You will never half a huge portion of the population aware of these things or care about it.
Foucault is like the undead--he keeps coming back in academic circles, in spite of how he has been unmasked by people like Roger Scruton.
Not to detract from this video, but I wanted to say shoutout to Dr. Peterson for going onto Kill Tony! He continues to reach different parts of the internet community and I love it! Hats off for that.
It was a very pleasant surprise
Yeh it was like therapy for Jordan. Good to see him relax
I need to take a day and binge watch Jordan's videos. He is just all that and then some! 🤗
Habermas asked Foucault how is it that you can affirm propositions in public policy, affirm political philosophy, and philosophical ideas and yet make no affirmation or negation of any moral judgement.
Foucalt raged and said nothing. He later would say it was enlightenment blackmail😂
Then why are these people so lacking in creativity now?
I think you mean originality. If you're a creativity is manifested by copying someone else's creativity that is still creativity. It's just not original.
It's much easier for them to mimic creativity than to actually be creative.
@@TammyGordinthat's not creativity that's resourcefulness
Good point. The woke are lock step conformists to whatever the elite of woke say it is, and anyone who deviates from that even a tiny bit gets kicked out of the club.
So, I'll say, this is just a powerful weapon being used to tear down western civilization, not "normal" per se. The street level wokies don't know that, they feel they are just being rebels for the sake of maximum "inclusiveness." But the leaders know the long game is Communism, so the destructive forces are always tightly focused on the western order exclusively.
Who specifically are you referring to?
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A LOT of kids from single parent households, already stressed and vulnerable, are PERFECT targets of these groomers/teachers
Almost makes one think there was a point to the nuclear family!
“Leftists don’t have children, they have yours.”
@@JakobusMaximus More of the point was that kids will grow up into a world that consists of both men and women, and thus need positive examples of both so as to be experientially familiar with both sexes. Those who have limited exposure to one or the other find themselves more uncomfortable and anxious around those they had little exposure to, therefore contextualizing expectations of interaction from a maladaptive set of assumptions. We took that for granted for decades in our struggles to adapt to an unorthodox social fabric
@@syloui Very well stated.
Thanks for the short snippet. He’s great! I’ll watch the whole interview later💚🇦🇺✌🏼
Feelings are good servants, still better friends, but terrible masters. Any feeling, no matter how elevated or beautiful in itself, if not controlled, can unhinge my mind and disorganise my life.
Glad Peterson had this conversation. James Lindsay has been talking about this in his small speaking events around the country and world. Especially the meaning of Queer.
This was excellent, high consciousness, not hateful or overly angry, informative, grounded in fact, and highly relevant, Peterson at his best. Sometimes, in recent years, he has seemed adrift in the culture wars, discourse descending into rants, but this is him at his best, glad to see it.
"You know, I did a study at Harvard. That we never published." - borrowing that one!
Jordan Peterson on Kill Tony!!! You are a really cool person, You are naturally hilarious. 😂🍻♥️🇺🇲
12 minutes of mind-blowing. Thank you.
These interviews, while highly informative and insightful are difficult to follow when Jordan constantly interrupts and interjects. I love Jordan Peterson, don't get me wrong, but allowing the interviewee to finish and completely articulate their thoughts and points would be awesome. I definitely want to hear Jordan react and his subsequent analysis but I feel he often asks a question only to cut off the answer and replace it with his own.
Foucault ... I recall reading something he wrote once and finding it intriguing until...after thinking about it some more, realized he had spouted nothing but unrestrained empty nonsense. Blathering meaningless words. It is startling to think he is still influential. I thought he would have been long forgotten after the 80s cocaine hangover had subsided.
The West’s deterministic acceptance of collateral damage is troubling.
A celebration of depression and despair, exactly.
Congratulations. Another extraordinary episode by Jordan Peterson.
I call my city a country town. That’s the way that it feels. Sections of the city have a identity of there own. Yesterday at the grocery store a big group of giggling girls just cut off from the rest of the world. He he laughing. So when I said something to them. I was behind them in line and in leaving , they all turned around to face me . Then they pointed to a boy in the middle of the group dressed in a halter top and mini skirt. These kids were maybe 10. They then asked me if I thought he looked “ pretty “. As they went on I knew why they were guarded and seemed rebellious in their laughter. I was shocked. This definitely looked like kids that hadn’t made it even to middle school yet. I felt so bad for that boy. Wondering how he came to be in that situation and also if his parents even knew anything like this was going on. I thought no more denying it. This is a real social issue that has to be addressed - like yesterday. I am still shocked by the memory. 😮
Poor kid in make up and the whole group of girls laughing about it. 🤬
Adversarial spiritual disposition. That's all you need to know.
Of all the things I’ve watched on YT this year, THIS one is the most compelling and fascinating! I’ve watched it 5 times and it is so revelatory! Thank you to both of these brilliant authors for casting a bright light in the darkness that is Marxism and all of that evil and foul man’s adherents.
You should listen to New Discourses podcast then.
You call it openness. I call it "a bunch of copycats" who like being part of the herd mind, and very childish and tasteless.
Children should experience difficulties i.e. crisis for growing stronger but forcing crisis on children to turn them into prey is evil.
There ARE no more adults .
Just narcissists .
hi-lighter hair, hardware faces does NOT auto-indicate ‘creativity’. many and most of us who dont “fit in” dont care and/or have no interest in participation and identification with another group or group think.
Just bad hygiene
Foucault y niños nunca, nunca ,deberian ni siquiera haberse nombrado juntos .
To veer away from the norm can still be normal but Jordan Peterson is right to say in so many words, “but what gives” if it is not based on principles that would make things right or better, that would be hell from youth to a certain age. Man is for a woman and woman is for a man, no offence to the saint who defined queer, being gay at that.
it says a lot that psychology elevated Foucault the way it did.
It seems to me like, it's another of the breaking apart signs of what psychology used to be, before the education system that we know today, and what it used to be when It was more deeply related to philosophy and Theology.... huge gap in what it's values were against what they're now.
Hope parents and families will rise up to protect their children. ❤
Foucault does not look French. I was always creative, open and in the arts with NO family support, but never wanted to be like these woke types. It doesn't follow ooeness to be a communist or a freak. Itjust means you are more tolerant of others. But that is also Catholic teaching.
To what degree do the social presuppositions about what men or women should do or how they are anticipated to be play into the formation of the "genuine" identity? In other words, how do we demarcate the genuine expressions of identity from the adopted? Does the adoption of some aspect of identity become genuine at some point? And to this extent, how genuine can the lens through which we identify these identity aspects, whether genuine or adopted, are indeed genuine? Or is it all merely a matter of choosing what the most helpful lens to view it all is?
Food for thought, would love to discuss. Cheers
Great discussion
In one sense the attempt is being made to say: "Join me and together we will oppose everyone who believes in stability and social order until we have everyone disagreeing with everyone then we can disagree with each other. And by disagree we mean attack and try to destroy!"
Two thoughts: isn’t there a certain norm that has been created by the left for which you would be the demon of opposition? Also, it got me thinking about the work of Joseph Campbell for some reason and how conformity needs to be overcome.
Excellent! Thank you Mano!
thank you @Jordan B Peterson for all the hardwork you do big hugs. :)
Well done good work etc. thankyou. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
It would have been nice to hear a bit more about what the guest had to say. I always enjoy what Jordan has to say, perhaps the video was to short.
Touchy subject. A difficult truth to hear. Well done. Good lesson.
When I set myself up against the world, because I was young and creative and angry, I just called it satanism because it was the perverse worship of opposition, and now I find that that's the same as queer.
Well, you live and learn.
Hail Malal
Learning does occur outside of pain. Children are great examples of this. Dogmatic Indoctrination needs to teach via pain and shame because their foundation is based on faith.
There was a religious movement that had as their slogan "Ecclesia Semper reformanda est" which is The Church must always be reformed. Isn't it ironic, that a few centuries later, Marx developed his religion based on the revolution forever. Division, strife, etc are hallmarks of both faiths. Seems the same spirit, not Christian, seems to be at work in both faiths.
Finally a face to the name. Good to see you Logan
In other words, rgooming children with the usual word salads.
What wickedness.
Hello, can someone please help me. I’m looking for the book Mr. Lacing mentioned, the reason he started his book. He said the name Kevin + last name. And I would love to find and read it, so if you know the book I would greatly appreciate your help :). Thank you!
*Mr. Lancing
Great discussion!!
Finally, he spoke the truths about Foucault as they are.
3:30 Definition of the word "queer" as understood (but not explained) by Queer Theory:
"Unlike gay identity, queer identity need not be grounded in any positive truth or in any stable reality. Queer acquires its meaning from its oppositional relation to the norm. Queer is by definition whatever is at odds with the normal, the legitimate, the dominant. There is nothing in particular to which it necessarily refers. It is an identity without an essence." - Logan Lancing
"[Queer is] an identity that is predicated on the negation of identity as such - both psychologically and socially." - Jordan Peterson
in my work with acults with extreme piercings, it has little/nothing to do with creativity. It is about looking fearless and dangerous. It is a reaction/adjustment to some kind of traumna
I hope JP isn't suggesting that pointing out what we feel needs improvement here or there in society is equivalent to being ungrateful for having things better than people in the 13th century. Otherwise this suggests that being grateful would mean we can't exercise freedom of speech and criticise anymore.
Foucault knew Foucaul .Spouted nothing but Foucaul.
There's also Magnus Hirschfeld, who preceded Michel Foucault
These are terrifying propositions… how did we get to this… how do we get out of it.. it’s like saying the devil exists and wants your children
Well, Peterson has a particular axe to grind with those targeting children. You are part of the radical left by your own admission, can we hear your defense of the policies of your kin? What say you to the accusations levied against you?
Have you a case for the transgendering of children? Have you a case for normalizing sexual deviancies to 5 and 6 year olds? Have you a case for Marxist praxis? The stage is yours, friend. Make your case!
the devil originates from hypothesis and enters reality through human memory,habit and behavior
that is the most secular way of putting it
but in all seriousness you have got to understand the spirit. the spirit if the devil is numbness
The Saint reference is a play on Sartre's 'Saint Genet'. But Genet, despite being the embodiment of 'queer', was a victim/survivor himself of institutional abuse, and had a great deal of empathy and compassion, particularly as he grew older (read 'Prisoner of Love'). At University in the late 80s/90s you could see the Foucault myth taking hold...he had some good ideas, probably best expressed in 'Discipline and Punish', but some of his other work was just propaganda. His work on mental illness was rejected by multiple publishers until R D Laing gave a personal recommendation to publish. Foucault has a callousness about him that reeks of the pathological...he reminds me of another sexual radical, Willhelm Reich...some interesting thoughts, some bizarre ideas, but narcissistic and eventually absolutely lost contact with reality.
Would it be possible to develop an objective test for cognitive dissonance? It's difficult, if not impossible to have a meaningful conversation with anyone who actively dismisses any objective evidence contradictory to their closely protected paradigms. Examples being,
Trump Derangement Syndrome, defenseless citizens are somehow safer, race determines intelligence, climate change catastrophists, womens right to choose murder, gender fluidity, etc.
Womens Right to choose murder? Do U mean abortion? I frequently comment on "reproductive rights" saying law may allow for abortion to go unpunished under certain circunstances. Still abortion is a murder on the most innocent and defenseless humsn being.
What curse do you think is being either broken or reinforced when you use the term fuck
I dont like Foucault but this whole video is ad hominen. His philosophy and personal life don't really intertwine ideologically and can be held separate, unlike somebody else's... cough cough. Look at Peterson's body language between 3:15 - 3:25. Projecting insanely hard
I think why Peterson was bristling there was not because he was trying to construct an argument against Foucault’s philosophy but rather due to him being enraged and flabbergasted that anyone would try to call someone like Michael Foucault a “saint”.
Hi, i also would have hard time constraining myself when talking about child abuse. That resembles me.
@@krisztinavarga4223 if that were the reason for Petersons anger he would combust everytime he looked at himself in the mirror
I have a topic that you may want to do a video on that is quite insightful yet has some aspects of it hat makes it a little lighthearted.
In the 20th century, a number of authors evolved exploring major Society issues. A number of them came through Science Fiction, which will allow them to do profound analysis, but in alien settings, so it wasn’t as challenging to humans per se. It was easier to criticize aliens in those situations than our current society.
Here are a few of the novels and books that you may want to consider as a store and add many as you like :
1. Forbidden planet n the discussion of the ID.
2. The blending has psychology and mathematics in the foundation series. Novel not the films.
3. Things to come HG Wells film n book
4. Dune by Frank Herbert book the films aren’t as good
foucoult was an actor. he is not a producer of media and academia. Unfort., most people are the audience.
Jordan can't cease to interrupt but I don't see that as narcissism unless narcissism is a compulsion not to miss a chance to fluster someone else's idea.
12 minutes may be the typical lifetime for plastic bags in urban settings, but where most people live it's probably closer to double that. Not to mention, most people living in urban and suburban areas tend to save these plastic bags and reuse them for many other things. I don't know anyone that doesn't have a stash of plastic grocery bags at home. So maybe its a cultural issue more than a consumer issue.
Paper bags are just as strong, that is if the store is willing to spend a few dollars more on the standard weight bags instead of opting for the cheapest, ie. lightest bags they can find. But plastic is far cheaper. Not to mention paper bags are a sustainable solution, but you won't hear that point brought up anywhere because it's about money, not the planet. Paper bags are produced from trees grown by the same companies that produce the paper. Just like any other farmed plant trees are harvested, and replanted to be harvested again in around 20 years. This has been done for a century at least.
This all sounds like 40k chaos daemon shit.
Take my like you fukn nerd!
@5:00 So "QUEER" means Marxist in the sense of being the "Anti-Thesis", and NOT the Thesis, or the Synthesis (in dialectical materialist terms)
Sad
IMHO
Logan is so patient.
The idea of fighting an existential threat doesn't mix well with a paywall...
lots of words to explain what I figured out decades ago . these people are crazy as f***
Two things to search up, setting their specific ideological factors aside for the moment, as they pertain to this vid; “Derrick Jensen Qeer theory jeopardy” where he presents some founding sources, and “disturbing attachments” by Amin, a Q theoretician or such who attempts to wrestles with the problematic origins of his crowd.
Looks very obvious to me that Jordan project onto Faucoult. He is not discussing Faucoults theories, but almost exclusively argues from an emotional bitter Position