Yeah because if you say something with the wrong tone of voice you'll get fired from your job, your wife will leave you, your kids won't talk to you. This conversation is only difficult because it's so taboo if you even think about it in the wrong way you'll be punished. If there was no camera there would be no need to tip toe.
They were really talking about an innate gene with some cultures or species of humans that has a lash out affect of keeping more of there ken species. and using and wiping out different species with genetic genocide techniques. Basically describing every war of human history it's in the very DNA pattern of us all but the people who act on it are bastardized martyrs in there own screwed with minds.
WWII in general needs to be talked about because it shaped the world into what we have now. Also, that war was far worse than most people even realize. When you really dig deep, it’s hard to imagine that many people committing atrocious, evil acts. Read about Japan, one could argue they were even more sadistic than the Nazis. And the Allies weren’t 100% innocent either. It’s hard to imagine how recent it was too. Both of my Grandfathers fought in it, I never knew them because of what the war did to them. They were broken people. My parents didn’t even really know them either. Lots of stories like that.
The winners write history. Which means world war 2 more than any other event in human history should be re-examined, and reinvestigated especially towards a consideration of Revisionists who’s voices have been terminated for decades.
I think it was during the invasion of China, two Japanese officers decided to have a contest as to who could behead the most people. . If I remember correctly, the winner was around 150 or so. Both officers were celebrated in the Japanese press. The level of depravity during WWII was unimaginable.
The Law i doubt anyone would want to drink the blood, feces and human flesh infested waters after Gangis Khan slaughtered a million residence of a city with a river flowing through. Stories of how many rivers ran red and how long is shocking.
@James Tyler that's not p.c in pc times. We are adulting on mass without the genocide . Might turn into a sit in at home discussion with all the countries for world peace :-)
Because they don’t want Nazis flocking to them. They did their best to condemn Hitler but there’s still talk of the ‘Jewish Question’ in these comments.
I dont think he was as bad as hes made out to be, after all he wasnt born that way, he was just influenced by the social and economic climate of 19th-20th century germany and the history he studied which helped to skew his beliefs, most notably on the jews. Ofc i dont agree with all the idiotic plans he approved for slavery and death camps. Im not saying he wasnt bad at all, just that he gets demonised more so through ignorance as most ppl dont know the finer details of 'the jew problem'
Hitler gave Heydrich and Himmler a lot of free reign in delegation. Arguably, both of them were far worse monsters than Hitler. So strange as well the Hitler is such a touchy subject, but Stalin rarely gets a mention, despite being infinitely worse than Hitler in every way possible.
Hitler was the leader of the Nazis so he was the worst ! Stalin built on what he had off of Marx, who was a devout satanists . Hitler was perfectly possessed ! Hitler & Marx had a satanic element . As much of their inner circle did as well . Such as Himmler!
Of course but guess Who controls our everything in this world!?Hitler killed few million nosey ones but Stalin and his posse killed wot close to 100mil!?
@@ImaJWalkerwhat’s the unit 731 experiments ? Is there a decent video on UA-cam covering it properly, and not watered down or censored like most videos nowadays
Two heavyweights in their field, with absolute respect for each other, tackling a difficult subject, treading carefully and still going deep and facing those subjects . Amazing to watch
That was a weird discussion. Famous people trying really hard to have an honest discussion but afraid to have something taken out of context and used against them. We live in an odd time when one aspect of society will pick one sentence and try to destroy someones career.
There are literally people who sit all day on their computers and get a high out of ruining someone’s career. They will do anything to accomplish such deeds. Nowadays you can take any few second clip, add a caption to it presenting it in a certain light, and the entire world will actually buy it thinking it’s true. There seems to very few skeptics these days that are actually willing to look into things more thoroughly before making a judgment.
I think what hes saying is its crazy that we can't take words the way they're meant to be interrupted, instead people know what they're twisting isn't necessarily how it was stated but instead they twist words just to destroy their career. It's very sad honestly.
it's almost like the value systems of the masses are becoming the thought police. wouldn't it be crazy if someone wrote a book on how to manipulate the masses based on their unconscious desires. oh wait, edward burnays did write that book. in 1928. and it's called propaganda. shit
Put aside his treatment of Jews in order to judge him fairly in everything else and i can safely say without any bias the guy was a huge piece of shit even more so when compared to other trash. Druggy one at that but no one ever talks about it.
How did u come up with such a good anology, I mean what inspired u or what gave u the idea? Genuine question The thing is i'm not that great with anologies, and am trying to improve upon them.
It’s nice to see Jordan with other open minded people; he’s much more relaxed. You can tell in his confrontational interviews that he doesn’t really enjoy battling the interviewers, but does so out of obligation. Honestly, world needs less of attacking and more of understanding
"intellectual titans" That`s not accurate, but for someone who doesn`t know about any other intellectuals besides UA-cam personas i guess it could fit.
@@whatwhat3432523 Well the irony is that haters like yourself are who turned Peterson into a Social Media Celebrity. You do know he has a degree in Political Science, and is a Doctor in Clinical Physiology don't you? A PHd Doctorate makes you a recognized intellectual.
The fact that Weinstein has to state "I want to be really careful about this, so that it cannot be misinterpreted" before almost every sentence displays how far off track we are already. Who in their right mind would actually believe a jew defending Hitler's actions from an ideological perspective? Great conversation nonetheless.
Yeah, the problem might be that you hold humanity as a whole in a somewhat higher esteem than it deserves. Most individuals react on emotions because building complex ideas guided by a reasoned moral basis is simply beyond their limits. This example, to me, seems like a logical side effect. Its only on new media with smaller niche audiances where these ideas can be discussed in a normal framework it seems..
Respectfully, I think that you may have misinterpreted the overarching premise. I think he was suggesting that Hitler isn’t necessarily a statistically insignificant outlier; though he might be a representative of the chance pairing of immense opportunity and an ugly element that is latent in all people.
Marieke, Weinstein was very clear that he wasn’t defending Hitler. He specifically stated that Hitler’s ideas were in error. It seemed to me that all he was saying is, “be aware of rational programs that are making headway towards genocide, because it’s likely that your hard-wired self defense mechanism for your race(read “tribe”) might allow you to rationalize the brutal acts similar to what Hitler instituted in Europe. He didn’t expound on what caused the perceived need for additional “resources,” maybe it was obvious and l’m just oblivious, none-the-less a careful review of his words suggests that he was not defending Hitler. Telling a cautionary story, would be a better way of looking at it.
It’s funny how when you put two highly intelligent men in a room who disagree, however slightly, they can joke, respect each other, find common ground, just because you disagree with someone doesn’t mean you can’t respect them ❤️
"highly intelligent men" is key to your point. Wise people don't get angry when they are disagreed with. It's usually an opportunity to learn something even if you still walk away in disagreement. It's the fools that try to talk over each other to "win" an argument that's unwinnable in the first place.
Partially disagree. I do think that there is danger in dismissing some ideas as irrational because you’re allowing said idea to continue developing ie. Holocaust denial or Flat Earth society. However, not every challenge to our sense of morality is equal and shouldn’t be treated as such. Racism apologists and pedophile apologists don’t go hand in hand with equal rights activists.
I agree.. until someone says “pedophiles should be classed as a sexual orientation and be respected”. Then I say “no debate here suck ya mom through a McDonald’s paper straw you wrongun”
@@roland7799 No one is saying these concepts should be accepted. He was saying, no TOPIC should be taboo, because if it is, we can't do proper research, and that will ultimately damage us.
As a subject, it’s hard to find people reasonable enough to have such discussion. It seems to me, they can talk about it because they analyze it on a logical and structural view, not an emotional view of pain and death. This separation is not easy for the general population and we will often see successful people being more likely to do it and apply it to their benefit.
Easy. If you want to hear the truth don’t listen to 3 mainstream talking heads worried about being defunded debanked and defaced by the ADL and the Jewish organizations which dictate speech in our country. Listen to people who don’t take ad revenue and who are in it for the truth.
@@postersandstuff YESSSS such grandiose phrasing, such a grasp on language.......if I wasn't a man I'd let pour chocolate on me and Call me Mi Lord, alas it is so that you are not a man, and so it's only Hairy Islamic die hards Illo let anywhere near my wangus .....good day sir
Brett wanted to be the catalyst to reform the Left from within. I said that he was gonna get red-pilled over time. Well, sounds like (courtesy of FB) that's what's happening.
The fact people KNOW about the agenda perpetuated by FB and Twitter, and those people STILL haven't deactivated their FB and Twitter accounts, is far more scary! GET OFF FACEBOOK AND TWITTER IMMEDIATELY!!!
Weinstein is a biologist. Journalists have taught us to speak extremely cautiously whenever we're speaking publicly. Just read any online news article about science and see why...
Of course everyone should be cautious, but not so much that you have to worry that your livelihood will be ruined by one misunderstood/twisted turn of phrase.
Winston Churchill was responsible for more deaths in the imperialist era in India and South Asia than Hitler...then why don't we talk about that fact...that is the question
@@adamsymcox *I don't even hear the beginnings of a possibility of a notion that could be entertained as coming close to being near or in a vicinity adjacent to anything like a thing that could be described, categorized or mistaken as a disagreement, in any form, whatsoever, at all!!!*
Always Hitler, but never Stalin or Mao. Each had significantly higher death tolls. It's as if people have been conditioned to not question Communism anymore.
I agree whole-heartedly with your statement. It seems like academics and educators in the west want to teach that Hitler was an evil man who just hated Jews because of some irrational fear that they would harm the German people, and that the Germans viewed themselves as a master race. What Peterson fails to address are the rather salient points Hitler made in _Mein Kampf_ regarding the politics of Germany, and more so Vienna before he created the National Socialist Party. 1.) Hitler accuses the Jews of being perpetrators of criminal activity such as *prostitution* in Leopoldstadt, which he says was concealed from the German people under the cover of night, if anything he saw the Jews engaging in immoral behavior he thought would corrupt the German people, morals, values, etc. Peterson doesn't make any mention of this discussed in chapter two of _Mein Kampf._ 2.) Hitler makes another railing accusation against the Jews, one being *profligacy* or extravagant and wasteful misuse of resources, it seems that many Jews in Germany had part in various economic organizations, and perhaps had been involved in corruption of some sort intentionally mishandling government funds. 3.) Hitler next says that the Jews lead organizations that I think perhaps sought to undermine the German people and their national autonomy in some way; Zionism and the Social Democratic Party Hitler says were two of these political organizations, although I would characterize Zionism as a movement, but it could be both. Social Democratic theory he likens to Marxism, or perhaps it was Marxism under the guise of being Democratic. This comes as no surprise considering Karl Marx is the brain-child of Marxism and Communism along with Fredrich Engels. 4.) Hitler loathed Jewish control over the press especially in Vienna, furthermore adding that a lot of art and literature had been produced by Jews in Germany and that one of the main occupations of the Jews was theater. All of which Hitler disparages as garbage. I've noticed some interesting parallels between Hitler's time and ours, and just how much of a far-reaching influence the Jews have in the west today, there are many Jewish moguls in the film industry, many of the world's wealthiest rich elite are Jews, don't believe me just check _Forbes_ 400 most wealthiest people list, many are Jews. You have people like Seth Rogan who have produced films like Bad Boys in 2019, and another Jewish film director who produced the popular _American Pie_ films, which encourage sexually promiscuous behavior and revolve around children and sexual themes. That guys without saying that many actors in Hollywood and other parts of the west are Jewish, Eugine Levy, Timothee Chalamet, Louis Garrell, Andy Samberg, the list could go on and on... let's not forget about people like George Soros who is a multibillionaire that has funded Marxist organizations like _Black Lives Matters_ and _Antifa._ (allegedly anyway...) I've also recently found out that many well-known pornography websites based in Europe seem to be Jewish owned. I don't know... all of this seems like a strange coincidence.... I condemn Hitler's actions, I don't think him killing 6million Jews was the right answer, however he makes some interesting points from what I've read in _Mein Kampf_ so far...
Remember Peterson's own teachings: you can't learn anything new from people who already completely agree with you. So many youtube comments going on being confrontational about Weinstein while Peterson himself is sitting here absorbing what Weinstein says and finding how the different perspective offers new insights into his own. If you want to support Peterson you should focus on acting out his advice rather than hating on people that Peterson himself sits there, politely listens to, and learns from.
You can't learn anything from an uneducated moron who is constantly making things up and pulling trivial wrong claims out of his arse like Jordan Peterson does. You need ten hours of research for every half hour of his 'lectures' only to find out, none of his claims is true.
Hans-Joachim Bierwirth If it is a fact he makes things up, instead of you saying he is a moron you should dispute with FACTS. Because what you are doing is exactly the same. And that is the problem Jacob Davis puts forth also: People who refuse to open a dialogue and just point to others as the problem without offering a counter argument based on facts. How can people expect to convince others if all they are saying is "because he is a moron" or the Eddy Bravo favourite conversation ender: 'Look into it" You might disagree with Peterson, but he is not uneducated. Or do you think Harvard and later the University of Toronto did not check his credentials when they hired him?
@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 in fact you can learn from an uneducated moron - not that I'm saying Jordan Peterson is uneducated because i think the mere fact that he lectures at all points to him being quite educated actually - but you can even learn from listening to a childs perspective . If you want to bring up other things hes talked about which you seem to think are false on a video that has nothing to do with either of his 'false points' you speak of, it is more telling that you are in need of your own self reflection than anything else. If you think he is uneducated, in which way did this conversation prompt such a response from you? He listened very attentively, made sure to point out and clarify many aspects of each point of view. These are all very essential to having meaningful discussions about ideas.
80 fucking years later, yet some people steal believe that there's a "neonazi" uprising going on in the US, all led by internet trolls those damn nazis and their ability to crack tasteless jokes is gonna ruin america
I just love listening to two people genuinely trying to understand each other with different views have a real discussion, even if it is super carefully. So refreshing
The fact that you aren't allowed to have these sort of discussions on mainstream media outlets is exactly why alternative media is winning (and, I might add, superior). Alternative media outlets are literally preserving truth by upholding free speech. If you assume that free speech is necessary to a well functioning open society, then preserving the integrity of platforms such as as UA-cam is of utmost societal importance.
I feel that alternative media has always been won/been around. Theres NEVER and never will be a time where main stream media is open, transparent, honest and willing to discuss so called "black market conversation" Mainstream media is just here to try to keep the masses at ease, not respond to all the real bullshit that's going on in the world and just do population control. U want people to work 40 hours, make enough to take a girl u wanna fuck out for dinner maybe 1 vacation a year, and a apartment/house with little debt as possible. In the past 10.years alternative news sources are at its peak, and thriving because of the internet. Even for the right wing u have crowder, Shapiro, Rubin, etc.....so alternative is for any ideology, any philosophy. ... Even now mainstream putting their news clips on our main page.....look at pakman recent video about this, losing tens of millions of views a month while CNN getting more views now all because UA-cam is distorting people. .I always had a conspiracy theory, one came true "the advertising and putting all mainstream news clips on the very front or top recommendations on all 300 million Americans watching UA-cam. Now my final one is UA-cam Gunn be like cable TV. At first everything is free, u get channels, alternative and mainstream alike all participating which drives up viewership. Than comes along the hotspresd of millions of new channels. Like comedy central doing real real dirty and alternative jokes to having history channel etc. UA-cam has all of it now. Which is the start of the addiction. Now since people are addicted to UA-cam (mean that in a analogy not actual chemical addiction) just like sports on cable back in the 70's pretty much all free to view. UA-cam years back did the "pay 5$ a month and watch UA-cam created shit" I GUARENTEE once us millenials become parents Nd have mortgages there going to make everyone pay for it thus creating cable TV but in the internet point of view. Only gunna be mainstream news, as we see alternatives losing all revenue. UA-cam will become strictly mainstream and for the mainstream. (Besides few anomalies like anything else like JRE, comedy guys, even people like crowder and TYT may stay since they have some.power) But once UA-cam becomes 100% mainstream. And a paid service. You will get another unexpected, newly invented service just how UA-cam came about and the birth of Facebook. There will be some entrepreneur who creates some awsome service that alternative media, perspective and honest journalism will flock too and compete against the mainstream media . We had this for newspapers via magazines and other papers who produced awsome alternative, than cableTV, now its internet age so yea. Alternative will never replace mainstream but alternative will always compete and fight against power
mr. JDP P Wouldn’t UA-cam already be considered mainstream? I’m pretty sure it’s the 2nd most used search engine after google, and most news outlets/channels have UA-cam channels.
You're absolutely right, internet platforms must be preserved and protected from the censorship and biasedness of mainstream journalism, the problem is that the companies that manage these platforms are often biased themselves, and can manipulate invisible algorithms in order to avoid too much opposition to their agenda
It is "winning" in views because it is more accessible now and offers detailed stuff about very specific areas of x and y. Just like Wikipedia isn't popular because it is exclusively free or not allowed elsewhere, but because it simply has something for everybody to feed on. Ditto for UA-cam.
24 "news" channels are about entertainment. You get a jerk host, two jerk guests and have them yell at each other for ten minutes. A couple commercial breaks and move on to the next segment. The problem isn't the networks, it's the people. People are mostly morons that don't want to spend 3 hours watching an intellectual conversion. They want to be entertained and that's what modern news gives them.
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I get your point but I think it’s good that people have become more sensitive towards certain topics. I get that it seems stupid having to clarify that you think Hitler is evil. But if you look at the past and how topics like racism, fascism and inequality in any kind of form were played down in the way we talked about them I think we made a huge progress in becoming more sensitive. My point is that although the sensitivity might appear rather silly it actually helps in recognising the problems.
Because in other countries you can go to prison if you disagree or come across as a holocaust denier! Thank the people who market off the death of their own!
I just think we have to evolve and understand that we dont have to say everything that's on our minds to clarify common sense. To be accused as a pro hitler only because you wanted to disect his beliefs is unreasonable.
It's actually hilarious how cautiously people have to explain something soo straightforward nowadays due to how quickly and easily people get triggered lol
This is what I love about Jordan Peterson. He fully understood what was being said but was still humble and insightful enough to ask questions to better his understanding and wasn’t fearful of being incorrect but just wanted to learn more so he can engage better. Amazing how two people can talk out such a sensitive subject whereas the rest of the world can’t even have a respectful conversation on trans rights, gun control or immigration with demanding the other be cancelled.
Boils down to education. Being educated as a youth to think critically before you speak, and to have respect for others allowing them to speak. This education does not require a degree. It can be taught to our children and so on. The world is becoming less and less educated by their parents to have these skill sets, therefore the problems of today cannot be solved with screaming, fighting, crying, or any other uneducated response.
the only rights which people playing make-believe with their sex/gender, or people who are actually inter-sex, are the same rights all humans have.. if you think otherwise you have serious cognitive issues.
@@Ryo-xx1lm Exactly the more they dilute the conversations and make everything seem sensitive to others. The more they will kill our knowledge and our attempt at understanding history and before you know it the history that is trying to be taught will end up repeating itself.
The entire point of the conversation is summed up in the end. Basically, history can repeat itself. Therefore, we must study and understand how atrocities like those perpetuated by the Nazis occur and avoid them at all costs.
History doesn't repeat itself. Never in the history of the universe has an event happened twice. Events are 4-dimensional objects and are unique. Similar things might happen, but those can be attributed to game theory.
History does repeats itself. Events happen like in a harmonic motion. There is nothing we can do to stop that. I can clearly see that something would happen in future because of ever increasing gap between right and left. Plus, on geopolitical view, US nearly enjoyed supreme power for about 3 decades. Now China is challenging that and a conflict is inevitable. There are many new powers are rising too who are very frustrated by veto system of UNSC, which works like a mafia guild. So, a war is coming. I can't say who would be against who, but it is coming. Maybe in this century or Maybe in next. All we can do is try to preserve something that would help us rebuilding.
This was a surprising find. It is refreshing to find people that can have a level headed conversation about a topic that, for some, stirs the emotions to the point of irrationality.
Jan Norris That’s the kind of extremist commenting I’m talking about. There are people of all political perspectives that will shut down reasoned conversation, not just liberals. Have you ever asked a liberal what they mean by “racism” or “sexism”? I’d bet your viewpoint isn’t as different as you’d like to believe.
" There are people of all political perspectives that will shut down reasoned conversation, not just liberals." ...OMG, I'm aware of that. But when THE OVERWHEWLMING MAJORITY is coming from one side as opposed to the other we need to make assumptions, comprende???? I don't see conservatives shutting down free speech on college campuses, do you? Im sure its happened somewhere but MOST of the time its from the left. Sigh...
@@fireengine77 Peterson is specialized and smarter in many areas compared to a vast majority of people, AND arguably synthesizes on those topics, revealing wisdom in remarkably unique ways. But one of the biggest parts in being wise and competent, is being able to talk with anyone or interact with anyone on the matter. The more you can simplify, the better you understand and the more accessible it is.
@Rei Ren Both of you are ignoring the OP’s purpose of this comment. Joe is one of the very FEW hosts that can sit there and listen instead of asking question, or making statements. Regardless of what the topic is, if someone is making a point, he listens.
@@actualamateur149 this is one of the first times I’ve seen him act like this, might also be because it’s 2 guests instead of one but he usually interrupts his guests constantly
@@jordanharkins97 I don’t know man, all my peers keep calling me a freak and a bitch whenever they see me. I’m not sure, but it often just ends up with me crying in the corner....
Jordan did subtly suggest the idea that Himmler was misappropriating his resources, via murder and seizing assets, instead of utilising human labour. A very plausible point, as similar behaviours van be seen on a smaller scale in workplaces, boss doesn't know everything that goes on.
@@matthewmeuleman3369 Not really, as there was plenty of facilities and factories run through slave labor. It was the entire point of separation of the men and wife, and having abled bodied workers. In short, the Nazi Regime had more labor power than needed. The issue was lack of resources, specifically oil.
It took 26 million Soviet people and 4 years to overpower the Germans and push them 2000km from Moscow back to Berlin. Americans really should study this in school.
That, and a western and southern front to siphon resources from the eastern front. And let's not forget Germany's ally and historical enemy of Russia, Japan, being tied up and unable to open a front against the Russians as well.
And Germany was on two fronts so they had to keep men in France Norway etc AND Hitler didn't gear the economy for all out war until 1943 AND Japan didn't help AND Germany had intelligence disadvantages such as the red Lucy ring and ultra
"...You can't say he [Hitler] was without artistic talent..." Yeah...that didn't end well for the world last time someone told Hitler he had no artistic talent.
Rienk Kroese they’ve already instilled so much fear in these people, that they had to preface every single statement with “I’m not defending Hitler”. It’s bullshit how careful we have to be with our words nowadays.
The right didn't help things. They co-op every single thing they can, just as much as the Left, and play the identity politics card even more often. It's hypocritical at best and fucking cognitive dissonance on crack at worst.
Tywin Lannister If the right is worse, why is it the groups these celebrities are all afraid is the left? I can think of no right wing group is worried about right now. The KKK? They’re a dusty box in the back of an attic. Whereas LBGTQ, ANTIFA, BLM, MeToo can all demolish lives and careers merely based on accusation alone. These people are metaphorically sentenced without even benefit of trial or doubt so it’s confusing how you can believe the left isn’t responsible for this current political climate.
@@sulla1537 yeah, you have no idea wtf you are even trying to articulate. To humor you; I can tell you which side DOESNT have a current organization that the FBI considers domestic terrorists. I'll give you one guess.
When I was 14 I got in a heated discussion with my history teach who was studying WW2 for his masters. I pointed out from hos own words Hitler was trying to stimulate the economy through war. And it was the fault of WW1 reperations putting Germany in that situation in the first place. He stopped me and told me to be careful.
@@hastyhd5040 lol basically yes. WW1's over the top punishment of Germany ruined the country's economy and made it susceptible to people like Hitler. Never underestimate the power of the human survival mechanisms. It has the ability to override our higher brain function(intelligence) and we can do really dumb and evil things.
@@greylatern That's a very simplistic view of history, one that seems to be the standard for teaching school children (it's also the version I was taught). Reparations, the stab in the back, etc certainly helped Hitler consolidate his position within the Nazi party, but the Nazi's themselves were political nobodies until the Great Depression in 1929. The Nazi's had only obtained 2-3% of the vote in the federal election the year before, and there was no indication that was going to increase any time soon. Not to put any blame on the US, because there's not much else they could have done, but it was the US calling their loans in that ruined the German economy and amongst other things, paved the way for Hitler. It was a perfect storm of a bunch of events and incidents that set Hitler up, and for some reason we are taught that it was mostly down to an over-punitive treaty. Besides, Germany had her own treaty all worked out if they had won, and it was far more punitive than Versailles. As for the original comment that 'Hitler was trying to stimulate the economy through war', that is also a very simplistic view. Hitler was all about the war, stimulating the economy was a means to that end. He basically spelled out all of his intentions in Mein Kampf, which is a hell of a struggle to read, but one could not come away from it under the illusion that Hitler just accidentally stumbled into a war, it was his intention from the very start and he wrote hundreds of pages attempting to justify it if he was ever given the chance (which he thought he would never get, being locked up for high treason at the time of its writing). All that said, yes, he is 'extremely interesting'
There is no other historical event that's as heavily guarded as the 'hall of cost". Its a punishable crime in over 17 countries to question the official narrative. And in America, they've already passed laws that make it illegal to criticize one specific tribe .
Let's be real how many top tier journalists do you actually know. People interviewing dictators en guerilla leaders with massive ego's with the very real possibility of losing their heads. Joe is great but has plenty of flaws and doesn't really ever broach important, dangerous and difficult topics. He gives people a platform to speak their truth without questioning the narrative, and when he does its not very sharp.
I absolutely love how much they use closed-loop communication and active listening in order to understand each other while avoiding misunderstanding. Their versions of disagreement lead to really interesting discourse as they seek to understand where the other is coming from! Also, hats of to JR who is able to facilitate this level of conversation and read the room. I didn't hear him interrupt once and it shows how great of a host he is!
Or maybe Joe is so in over his head, he doesn’t want to come off stupid. I’m familiar with Joe Rogan but I’m not a regular listener. I do get that he is a bright guy and speaks intelligently.
@@larbueno the fact that hes not speaking, shows that hes NOT in over his head. hes exactly where he belongs in that convo, on the other side of the table and sitting quietly.
When I used to think about what college was going to be like, I thought my professors would be like Mr. Peterson and Mr. Weinstein. Boy was I wrong--I would've loved to have either one of these guys as an instuctor.
Tell me about it as part of mine I had to do economics, I was told trumps economic policies were stupid even tho they completely boosted the economy. Just tells me not all those guys are as smart as we think
I had a world war 2 vet that backpacked across Europe after the war was over, he drove an old beat up Volkswagen bug yellow w/ a bandaid on the hood.. one of the most interesting men I’ve encountered
@@Rubberbandfan1 Not saying that all my professors where not top notch, few were acceptable, although, most of them certainly did not aspire to be so. What I was commenting on had to do with my professors lack of passion for their craft. For perspective this was in the early to mid 90's, I am sure academia is different now. I did not experience the passions or preciseness of Peterson or Weinstein, I would have treasured it though. To answer your question UNO, UK, Mechanical Eng----Never spoke with any one who thought ALL of their professors were "top notch", interesting
This is how political ideas should be spoken no screaming or trying to make the other one look like a fool: just people explaining their ideas and agreeing to disagree in a certain degree
What an amazing amount of respect shown here. Not even sure it’s a disagreement... more like a perspective from another field of study on the same topic. Kudos to joe for facilitating quality
It's more like saying anything that could be interpreted as controversial would be social suicide so when you talk about Hitler you're stepping on hot coals because you can't mention any positive whatsoever
Im not sure where the "disagreement" arises, but it seems weinstein is postulating that while what hitler did was wrong, it was based on a logic that ultimately, from the mindset of wanting to create a stronger germany, could be viewed as a beneficial thing (if you ignore all the things hitler said about what he was doing, once it gets into the biological superiority of the aryan race is where hitlers philosophy falls apart). I dont think they disagreed with eachother though, not really
@@TheShootist To be honest, I'd rather be dull than you. From the lectures I've watched it'd be safe to say Peterson thinks the same. He explicitly states that we shouldn't conflate nobility or character with IQ (obviously). I'd be careful not to fail at both
Just look up the definition of the words he's saying. He says every word with intent, saying it's filler is ridiculous, maybe you can make an argument for the riddle but filler.
This is not a disagreement. It's two highly intelligent men philosophically discussing the atrocity of genocide and its effect on are world. Many of the greatest philosophers I've ever heard often use Hitler as an example, when challenging what you think you know and how you view the world.
@@gial27 Immanuel Kant was very important. Especially for modern science. But to be fair; Name one Philosopher who wasnt important. When you know His Name Till today, He pretty much was very important
Wow, this was only 4 years ago? When you see Dr Peterson now, he has really aged in those 4 years. Of course he’s been through some really tough times in the last few years and almost died. But still, it’s shocking to see what a series of negative events can do to someone who is brilliant and for decades had it together.
Dimitris Blane No kidding! Albeit, they are showing huge respect in hearing eachother out and how they insert their opinion into the discussion. More forums should be like this (without all the insta-triggering and hoping to be offended by someone else not have a copy/paste of your exact opinion in order to validate your stance). Debate is a form of art.
Reinhard Heydrich yea the excellent third reich recordkeepers were just making shit up. you people have no critical thinking skills and use youtube conspiracy videos as your primary source
I respect Joe Rogans cability to listen and let his interviewees talk inform and educate, especially when dealing with controversial subjects. Fantastic.
I'd like to make note here for everyone that Hitler's scholars espoused German superiority, in the name of Aryanism. That the use of the word Aryan has a history beyond hitler's atrocities. Earlier Anthropological literature merely listed aryans as being all Indo-europeans, where originally recorded, were that their pagan root rites and practices were deemed superior to other pagan rites and practices, such as cannablism and human sacrifice. I feel it necessary to clarify as it may be that the word, Aryan, was attributed to them, for sake of their aliment with conscience, which is arguably arisen from the apophatic approach to God in Western Spirituality, that is the works of Pseudo-Dionysius The Aereopagite. Where apophasis as an approach to God, is listing all that he is not, as well as all that he is beyond. Allowing the obstruction that Hitler and his scholars besmirched all the indo europeans' history as Aryan might Bar some from this early text that was written in the 5th 6th century. If we allow ourselves to think of aryans as hitlers version that he focused in on "German superiority" for prosodic mind control and appeal to the German populace in the name of aryans, all those who, were recorded in earlier Anthropological literature, we risk blocking off the appreciation for ancestors' developments of conscience, in the most grotesque ways. Although Pseudo Dionysius the Aereopagite is early Western Spirituality and is part of the convergence of a more Christian lean to it, it is possible that indo europeans were called aryans, previous to hitler, to honour conscientious templation, and removing the obscurations of apophasis to discovering one's truths, instead of misidentifying what was apophatic for what is true, instead of as a process of contrasting it to find the truth as it being such a process of truth discovery. Let us have our history, and knowledge and our truth, for our ancestors and brethren, as well as our friendships and scholarly conferences theoughout history, while retaining agreement against all forms of genocide and Hitler's scholars' prosodic focial mind control, where he rerouted the notion of superiority, claiming that the Germans were the superior race, where it was merely and initially intended to read as pagan or ethnic rites and practices being superior in the conscientious sense. It is important also to note, that conscience, if apophatic, is what not to do, whereas we prevent and should act against it. And if having transmuted the Daemon into genium in alignment with the Source, by whatever name our varietous affiliations have named such, then conscience can be what one should act under whereso such is in alignment with what can be shared, conferred, or provided for.
Inner joe: “I wonder if hitler did dmt”
Lmao
Hahahaha excellent.
@JTagStudios I was about to say that. Hitler gave all his troops meth. Not a joke.
@@Jedi_Are_Scum US presidents did meth too
John Smith who would give war troops heroine lol. Meth stimulates you but heroine makes you zzz
Last time I seen a conversation this careful I was explaining my browser history to my wife.
Lmfao
Laughed out loud to this
Why, was Hitler in your browser history? ;-)
😂😂
Lmaoooo
This conversation felt like defusing a bomb with a 1000 wires connected to it
Making it incredibly harder to keep up with as an non native English speaker
Lucas Alves they were using a lot of big ass words lol
Yeah because if you say something with the wrong tone of voice you'll get fired from your job, your wife will leave you, your kids won't talk to you. This conversation is only difficult because it's so taboo if you even think about it in the wrong way you'll be punished. If there was no camera there would be no need to tip toe.
They were really talking about an innate gene with some cultures or species of humans that has a lash out affect of keeping more of there ken species. and using and wiping out different species with genetic genocide techniques. Basically describing every war of human history it's in the very DNA pattern of us all but the people who act on it are bastardized martyrs in there own screwed with minds.
It's an absolute tragedy
WWII in general needs to be talked about because it shaped the world into what we have now. Also, that war was far worse than most people even realize. When you really dig deep, it’s hard to imagine that many people committing atrocious, evil acts. Read about Japan, one could argue they were even more sadistic than the Nazis. And the Allies weren’t 100% innocent either. It’s hard to imagine how recent it was too. Both of my Grandfathers fought in it, I never knew them because of what the war did to them. They were broken people. My parents didn’t even really know them either. Lots of stories like that.
The winners write history. Which means world war 2 more than any other event in human history should be re-examined, and reinvestigated especially towards a consideration of Revisionists who’s voices have been terminated for decades.
My grandfather "PawPaw Eddie"
U.S.M.C U S.N
WWII KOREAN WAR
I think it was during the invasion of China, two Japanese officers decided to have a contest as to who could behead the most people. . If I remember correctly, the winner was around 150 or so. Both officers were celebrated in the Japanese press. The level of depravity during WWII was unimaginable.
The more you look, the more you read about the holocaust the less any of it makes sense.
Considering the state of the modern world compared to Hitler’s Germany it’s not exactly clear that the good guys won.
Gangis Khan: the ultimate environmentalist.
The Law i doubt anyone would want to drink the blood, feces and human flesh infested waters after Gangis Khan slaughtered a million residence of a city with a river flowing through.
Stories of how many rivers ran red and how long is shocking.
Nah hes second to the unabomber
hahahahaha AOC's and Greta Thunberg's idol
Arcavian Empri Baghdad ?
@@EdyPegasus humans are not divine
Most careful conversation ever
that’s what pc does
Because you shouldn’t be careful when discussing genocide in recent times.
@@mjnorman9824 that might not hurt actually
@James Tyler that's not p.c in pc times. We are adulting on mass without the genocide . Might turn into a sit in at home discussion with all the countries for world peace :-)
Because they don’t want Nazis flocking to them. They did their best to condemn Hitler but there’s still talk of the ‘Jewish Question’ in these comments.
Joe in the background: *takes long hit from a joint* “so is Hitler a bad guy or not?”
Yeah, I could see that.
LMAOO😁
Like Norm says, The more I hear about this Hitler guy, the less I like him.
I dont think he was as bad as hes made out to be, after all he wasnt born that way, he was just influenced by the social and economic climate of 19th-20th century germany and the history he studied which helped to skew his beliefs, most notably on the jews. Ofc i dont agree with all the idiotic plans he approved for slavery and death camps. Im not saying he wasnt bad at all, just that he gets demonised more so through ignorance as most ppl dont know the finer details of 'the jew problem'
@@InfinitumPueri you're an idiot!
Hitler gave Heydrich and Himmler a lot of free reign in delegation. Arguably, both of them were far worse monsters than Hitler. So strange as well the Hitler is such a touchy subject, but Stalin rarely gets a mention, despite being infinitely worse than Hitler in every way possible.
I know right lol Japanese don't get shit either but Stalin like get the biggest free pass ever
Hitler was the leader of the Nazis so he was the worst ! Stalin built on what he had off of Marx, who was a devout satanists . Hitler was perfectly possessed ! Hitler & Marx had a satanic element . As much of their inner circle did as well . Such as Himmler!
Of course but guess Who controls our everything in this world!?Hitler killed few million nosey ones but Stalin and his posse killed wot close to 100mil!?
@@JohnSmith-kv1uo Unit 731 experiments.
@@ImaJWalkerwhat’s the unit 731 experiments ? Is there a decent video on UA-cam covering it properly, and not watered down or censored like most videos nowadays
00:03 When you have been hanging out with your pals for 3 hours and you haven't even talked about Hitler yet.
We've all been there, right fellas?
@@goulash31 yea we’ve all had that jolly chat about genocide at the family Christmas dinner right guys? Guys?
0:50
666 likes! I’m calling the cops
Lol
This is how people should disagree.
The Dris did they disagree?
They didn't really disagree though. Turns out the disagreement was all a misunderstanding.
Agreed. We all could learn from examples like this.
Im you're down votoe.. What an obliviously stupid thing to say. Thanks for the info
But arguments are so fun to watch
I believe Joe Rogan to be one of the best interviewers; for the simple fact he facilitates incredible conversations, and he lets his guests talk.
Glad he’s doing that now, yeah.
Lmao finally let's them talk...
He lets very smart people talk but when hes with other comedians he cuts them off
@@Koolkidzao
He doesn't always
Just what I thought bud.
He got the conversation started and then took a back seat ride, absolutely beautiful.
Two heavyweights in their field, with absolute respect for each other, tackling a difficult subject, treading carefully and still going deep and facing those subjects . Amazing to watch
Both these guys are morons posing as geniuses but at least Peterson can speak well.
lol Jordan Peterson isn’t a heavyweight
@ says you but Genesis was better with Peter Gabriel
@@philcollins7269 he is though, psychologists use him for references all the time
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That was a weird discussion. Famous people trying really hard to have an honest discussion but afraid to have something taken out of context and used against them. We live in an odd time when one aspect of society will pick one sentence and try to destroy someones career.
There are literally people who sit all day on their computers and get a high out of ruining someone’s career. They will do anything to accomplish such deeds. Nowadays you can take any few second clip, add a caption to it presenting it in a certain light, and the entire world will actually buy it thinking it’s true. There seems to very few skeptics these days that are actually willing to look into things more thoroughly before making a judgment.
There are good and bad aspects of every tyrant and 'hero'
It would be nice to have discussion on stuff like this without repurcussions
It’s always been like that wtf lmao
I think what hes saying is its crazy that we can't take words the way they're meant to be interrupted, instead people know what they're twisting isn't necessarily how it was stated but instead they twist words just to destroy their career. It's very sad honestly.
it's almost like the value systems of the masses are becoming the thought police. wouldn't it be crazy if someone wrote a book on how to manipulate the masses based on their unconscious desires. oh wait, edward burnays did write that book. in 1928. and it's called propaganda. shit
"The more I learn about this Adolf Hitler fella, the more I don't care for him." -Norm Macdonald.
Legendary
The worst part was his hypocrisy
Put aside his treatment of Jews in order to judge him fairly in everything else and i can safely say without any bias the guy was a huge piece of shit even more so when compared to other trash. Druggy one at that but no one ever talks about it.
I didn't even know he was sick
I have to admit though that there was something about his eyes... hypnotic.
Me at every family function:
*We are almost 3 hours into this and we havent spoken about Hitler?*
Jesus dude
@@scottgordon1799 Jesus bro guy dude
@@moneris7069 Holy fucking shit Jesus Dude/Man/Pig Hybrid
too good bruh
holy jesus of jesus dude
Its nice to see Jordan Peterson having a good time during a conversation.
Everything and everyone seems very peaceful when you don't have one of those feminists around!
Joe breathing heavily in to the microphone to keep himself in the conversation.
Lmaooo
Underated comment
😂😂
😭
i hear it!!!
This is a video of two men helping each other to walk a tightrope so they can have a fist fight on solid ground.
Dude. Fucking PERFECT.
Nice, good analogy.
Such an underrated comment
How did u come up with such a good anology, I mean what inspired u or what gave u the idea?
Genuine question
The thing is i'm not that great with anologies, and am trying to improve upon them.
That was an incredible grasp on this. Appreciate it.
Rogan: "Let's talk about Hitler"
Peterson: *shifts uncomfortably in seat*
The names evil
Typhlosion in Pompeii It’s incredible how externally and internally/self-aware Dr. Peterson is!
Typhlosion in Pompeii love this comment
@@rustypatterson1339 based on propaganda yes.
@@FinalFlash2110 oh god
It’s nice to see Jordan with other open minded people; he’s much more relaxed. You can tell in his confrontational interviews that he doesn’t really enjoy battling the interviewers, but does so out of obligation.
Honestly, world needs less of attacking and more of understanding
You're right! But assuming that most of other people will certainly attack or take advantage of your humbleness. One needs to adapt. Sadly.
It's clip like these where Joe rogan shows why he's the best... Not many hosts would just shut up and let these two intellectual titans talk
It's called being utterly out of your depth
@@therobbieunited people that are out of the depth don't always shut up
Joe also annoyingly disrupts and goes off on tangents in other interviews though.
Pretty good Host overall though.
"intellectual titans" That`s not accurate, but for someone who doesn`t know about any other intellectuals besides UA-cam personas i guess it could fit.
@@whatwhat3432523 Well the irony is that haters like yourself are who turned Peterson into a Social Media Celebrity.
You do know he has a degree in Political Science, and is a Doctor in Clinical Physiology don't you? A PHd Doctorate makes you a recognized intellectual.
What I love about Joe Rogan is he doesn’t need to hear himself talk...if he doesn’t have something to add, he just listens. Great host!
This is a rarity though. Joe is infamous for interrupting and taking over the conversation. But he knows his place
@@FREEDMFTR shut up
He adds shit in all the time dude
This is only with guys he knows are significantly higher in knowledge then him. When he has his average Joe on he talks way to much
Joe is the best.
The fact that Weinstein has to state "I want to be really careful about this, so that it cannot be misinterpreted" before almost every sentence displays how far off track we are already. Who in their right mind would actually believe a jew defending Hitler's actions from an ideological perspective?
Great conversation nonetheless.
Marieke yeah but like people think Ben Shapiro is a nazi
Yeah, the problem might be that you hold humanity as a whole in a somewhat higher esteem than it deserves. Most individuals react on emotions because building complex ideas guided by a reasoned moral basis is simply beyond their limits. This example, to me, seems like a logical side effect. Its only on new media with smaller niche audiances where these ideas can be discussed in a normal framework it seems..
Respectfully, I think that you may have misinterpreted the overarching premise. I think he was suggesting that Hitler isn’t necessarily a statistically insignificant outlier; though he might be a representative of the chance pairing of immense opportunity and an ugly element that is latent in all people.
Marieke, Weinstein was very clear that he wasn’t defending Hitler. He specifically stated that Hitler’s ideas were in error. It seemed to me that all he was saying is, “be aware of rational programs that are making headway towards genocide, because it’s likely that your hard-wired self defense mechanism for your race(read “tribe”) might allow you to rationalize the brutal acts similar to what Hitler instituted in Europe.
He didn’t expound on what caused the perceived need for additional “resources,” maybe it was obvious and l’m just oblivious, none-the-less a careful review of his words suggests that he was not defending Hitler. Telling a cautionary story, would be a better way of looking at it.
Marieke, you made a good comment. I'm sorry everyone went full retard in response to it. The masses are scary.
Can you even imagine what the world would be like if our leaders discussed important matters like this and came to rational conclusions?
Words doesn't change the world, money and power does
I struggle to imagine morons having this kind of conversation.
People would stop voting for them and switch on loud mouths because that's what people like to follow. Authoritarian yellers, no matter the side.
@@pyrosophy680 If you say so.
You think politicians need to discuss exactly how evil hitler was? Christ this is like issue no. 568
Today I learned: 1 out of 3 men are bald.
😂
Make that two. Peterson has had hair grafts.
Shit I guess I am not really that rare.
@@spookybaba He only had some to restore a widows-peak. Far from bald.
Less hair you have the closer to godlike you are, the more hair you have the closer to ape.
It’s funny how when you put two highly intelligent men in a room who disagree, however slightly, they can joke, respect each other, find common ground, just because you disagree with someone doesn’t mean you can’t respect them ❤️
Mutual respect goes a long way
now try with a woman lmao
I feel a dummy around Jordan
"highly intelligent men" is key to your point. Wise people don't get angry when they are disagreed with. It's usually an opportunity to learn something even if you still walk away in disagreement. It's the fools that try to talk over each other to "win" an argument that's unwinnable in the first place.
two
No topic should be seen as taboo for discussion.
Having something which is boxed that way does not benefit humanity.
If anything, it hurts us.
Micah agreed... the left is only making all those conspiracy theories flourish instead of the opposite... they are shooting their own leg...
Partially disagree. I do think that there is danger in dismissing some ideas as irrational because you’re allowing said idea to continue developing ie. Holocaust denial or Flat Earth society. However, not every challenge to our sense of morality is equal and shouldn’t be treated as such. Racism apologists and pedophile apologists don’t go hand in hand with equal rights activists.
I agree.. until someone says “pedophiles should be classed as a sexual orientation and be respected”. Then I say “no debate here suck ya mom through a McDonald’s paper straw you wrongun”
@@roland7799 No one is saying these concepts should be accepted. He was saying, no TOPIC should be taboo, because if it is, we can't do proper research, and that will ultimately damage us.
Micah didn’t you kill Arthur
As a subject, it’s hard to find people reasonable enough to have such discussion.
It seems to me, they can talk about it because they analyze it on a logical and structural view, not an emotional view of pain and death. This separation is not easy for the general population and we will often see successful people being more likely to do it and apply it to their benefit.
A good emotional view of this is Paul conti on lex Fridman
Easy. If you want to hear the truth don’t listen to 3 mainstream talking heads worried about being defunded debanked and defaced by the ADL and the Jewish organizations which dictate speech in our country. Listen to people who don’t take ad revenue and who are in it for the truth.
'We are almost 3 hours into this and we haven't spoke about Hitler.'
Joe Rogan just drops such great conversational talking points sometimes hahaha
We did *nazi* it coming :P
He just knows what to say, a great interviewer.
You gay for him?
@@postersandstuff YESSSS such grandiose phrasing, such a grasp on language.......if I wasn't a man I'd let pour chocolate on me and Call me Mi Lord, alas it is so that you are not a man, and so it's only Hairy Islamic die hards Illo let anywhere near my wangus .....good day sir
A Jew, a Canadian and Joe Rogan walk into a podcast
Joe Rogan is his own race
@@Blank-km4qr i can't think of any race or ethnicity that looks like joe rogan
A jew, a Canadian and a walking DMT
@@CacoExplosivo caveman
😂
The fact that Twitter banned Bret’s organization and Facebook just deleted his account (with zero explanation) should scare the shit out of all of us
You mean they deleted some nazi trolls,doesn't sound too scary
@@jeremysmith8035 your stupid
Brett wanted to be the catalyst to reform the Left from within. I said that he was gonna get red-pilled over time. Well, sounds like (courtesy of FB) that's what's happening.
@@jeremysmith8035 They’re still banning free speech with no explanation. Some people can’t comprehend how dangerous that is
The fact people KNOW about the agenda perpetuated by FB and Twitter, and those people STILL haven't deactivated their FB and Twitter accounts, is far more scary! GET OFF FACEBOOK AND TWITTER IMMEDIATELY!!!
A showcase of how to be civil over disagreements.
I just love Joe Rogans concept of being interrested, listening in, instead of interrupting!
Genghis khan is basically Low-Key Thanos
my first thought when I heard that fact
Thanos isnt real tho
tom oh shit really? I thought the Marvel Cinematic Universe was based on real events.
You dont know your real history player. Get off that tv crap
Nigga did 10% of the human populi in
I wish we lived in a world where these guys could discuss this stuff without having to cover their asses every 2 minutes.
Weinstein is a biologist. Journalists have taught us to speak extremely cautiously whenever we're speaking publicly. Just read any online news article about science and see why...
Its actually better if all people are more careful. It makes them more sensative to smaller details
ultraali453 This is true, and small details are in fact, important in such nuanced discussion.
Of course everyone should be cautious, but not so much that you have to worry that your livelihood will be ruined by one misunderstood/twisted turn of phrase.
*viewer discretion advised*
Boom, done.
Please change the video title from "disagreement" to "discussion"
It would get less clicks sadly
Anthony Buboltz that’s just the truth sadly
it was an original disagreement
click bait brought us all together.
shellfish355 makes no difference
"You can't say that he was wrong about a Certain group of people"
Kids, if someone ever asks what does "walking on egg shells mean?"
Show them this video
True story. I'll remember that for future reference.
@Joe Bloggs couldn't agree more. Well said.
@Joe Bloggs elaborate?
🤣
@Joe Bloggs How was hitler a good guy? and why were his victims the true bad guys?
This is a genuine question, and ur answer needs lots of proof m8.
I’ve never seen two fully grown men tip toe on their toe nails for 9 minutes straight.
hahaha
Now you have
The whole thing is like that for more than 3hrs
Sparring
What do you expect with how stupid people are when it comes to comprehending ideas? Lol
"You know, with Hitler, the more I learn about that guy the more I don't care for him" - Norm MacDonald
He was a real jerk
I didn't know he was sick
He reminds me of that tragedy
That is a very dangerous way to ignore how easy it is to orchestrate a clandestine effort to secure every aspect of a civilized society.
He wasn’t as bad as...you guessed it! Frank Stallone
Winston Churchill was responsible for more deaths in the imperialist era in India and South Asia than Hitler...then why don't we talk about that fact...that is the question
This is the strangest pornography I've ever watched.
so much ball licking xD
Roscoe sands -- Intellectual porn.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If this is wrong I don’t wanna be right
HELLO FREAK BITCHES
‘I don’t disagree with you’
*puts ‘disagreement’ in the title*
Total clickbait ... nothing clip
They believed they were in a disagreement prior to the podcast. In this clip, they are clearing the air
Right?!? What a waste of time!
@@adamsymcox *I don't even hear the beginnings of a possibility of a notion that could be entertained as coming close to being near or in a vicinity adjacent to anything like a thing that could be described, categorized or mistaken as a disagreement, in any form, whatsoever, at all!!!*
@@sirf4ce you forgot to keep Caps lock on
"I'm going to enjoy watching this"
Peterson is hilarious.
BiGSH0TROB. I see nobody put your hypothesis to test, ahahahaha.
Obviously he did. And since he's not responding it means that the good Sherif is now a bullet lighter and an experience richer.
No he's not he just stats facts that are true
@@DrBiBeatz "i redefine things when they don't line up woth what i want"
He is everything but hilarious
Always Hitler, but never Stalin or Mao. Each had significantly higher death tolls.
It's as if people have been conditioned to not question Communism anymore.
I agree whole-heartedly with your statement. It seems like academics and educators in the west want to teach that Hitler was an evil man who just hated Jews because of some irrational fear that they would harm the German people, and that the Germans viewed themselves as a master race.
What Peterson fails to address are the rather salient points Hitler made in _Mein Kampf_ regarding the politics of Germany, and more so Vienna before he created the National Socialist Party.
1.) Hitler accuses the Jews of being perpetrators of criminal activity such as *prostitution* in Leopoldstadt, which he says was concealed from the German people under the cover of night, if anything he saw the Jews engaging in immoral behavior he thought would corrupt the German people, morals, values, etc. Peterson doesn't make any mention of this discussed in chapter two of _Mein Kampf._
2.) Hitler makes another railing accusation against the Jews, one being *profligacy* or extravagant and wasteful misuse of resources, it seems that many Jews in Germany had part in various economic organizations, and perhaps had been involved in corruption of some sort intentionally mishandling government funds.
3.) Hitler next says that the Jews lead organizations that I think perhaps sought to undermine the German people and their national autonomy in some way; Zionism and the Social Democratic Party Hitler says were two of these political organizations, although I would characterize Zionism as a movement, but it could be both. Social Democratic theory he likens to Marxism, or perhaps it was Marxism under the guise of being Democratic. This comes as no surprise considering Karl Marx is the brain-child of Marxism and Communism along with Fredrich Engels.
4.) Hitler loathed Jewish control over the press especially in Vienna, furthermore adding that a lot of art and literature had been produced by Jews in Germany and that one of the main occupations of the Jews was theater. All of which Hitler disparages as garbage.
I've noticed some interesting parallels between Hitler's time and ours, and just how much of a far-reaching influence the Jews have in the west today, there are many Jewish moguls in the film industry, many of the world's wealthiest rich elite are Jews, don't believe me just check _Forbes_ 400 most wealthiest people list, many are Jews.
You have people like Seth Rogan who have produced films like Bad Boys in 2019, and another Jewish film director who produced the popular _American Pie_ films, which encourage sexually promiscuous behavior and revolve around children and sexual themes. That guys without saying that many actors in Hollywood and other parts of the west are Jewish, Eugine Levy, Timothee Chalamet, Louis Garrell, Andy Samberg, the list could go on and on... let's not forget about people like George Soros who is a multibillionaire that has funded Marxist organizations like _Black Lives Matters_ and _Antifa._ (allegedly anyway...)
I've also recently found out that many well-known pornography websites based in Europe seem to be Jewish owned. I don't know... all of this seems like a strange coincidence....
I condemn Hitler's actions, I don't think him killing 6million Jews was the right answer, however he makes some interesting points from what I've read in _Mein Kampf_ so far...
Remember Peterson's own teachings: you can't learn anything new from people who already completely agree with you. So many youtube comments going on being confrontational about Weinstein while Peterson himself is sitting here absorbing what Weinstein says and finding how the different perspective offers new insights into his own. If you want to support Peterson you should focus on acting out his advice rather than hating on people that Peterson himself sits there, politely listens to, and learns from.
You can't learn anything from an uneducated moron who is constantly making things up and pulling trivial wrong claims out of his arse like Jordan Peterson does. You need ten hours of research for every half hour of his 'lectures' only to find out, none of his claims is true.
comment wins the Internet
This is very well put
Hans-Joachim Bierwirth If it is a fact he makes things up, instead of you saying he is a moron you should dispute with FACTS. Because what you are doing is exactly the same. And that is the problem Jacob Davis puts forth also: People who refuse to open a dialogue and just point to others as the problem without offering a counter argument based on facts. How can people expect to convince others if all they are saying is "because he is a moron" or the Eddy Bravo favourite conversation ender: 'Look into it" You might disagree with Peterson, but he is not uneducated. Or do you think Harvard and later the University of Toronto did not check his credentials when they hired him?
@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 in fact you can learn from an uneducated moron - not that I'm saying Jordan Peterson is uneducated because i think the mere fact that he lectures at all points to him being quite educated actually - but you can even learn from listening to a childs perspective . If you want to bring up other things hes talked about which you seem to think are false on a video that has nothing to do with either of his 'false points' you speak of, it is more telling that you are in need of your own self reflection than anything else. If you think he is uneducated, in which way did this conversation prompt such a response from you? He listened very attentively, made sure to point out and clarify many aspects of each point of view. These are all very essential to having meaningful discussions about ideas.
"Imagine if Hitler was a chimpanzee, those jews would have been obliterated overnight" - Joe Rogan, at some universe parallel to ours
Not on this podcast but I'm pretty positive that he's came to that conclusion at some point in this present universe
Jamie, pull up pictures of killer Chimpanzees. (20 seconds later) Imagine being at work in Warsaw and having those claws and teeth coming at you?!’
Hahaha
He even said something like "they'd rip your face off fuck your ass"
It's their debate that's literally why Peterson and Weinstein were there
I love how only in a Hitler conversation do you have to stop every ten seconds to clarify that you don't actually support the man
You don’t have to… ;)
Only the mighty can bear defeat!!
80 fucking years later, yet some people steal believe that there's a "neonazi" uprising going on in the US, all led by internet trolls
those damn nazis and their ability to crack tasteless jokes is gonna ruin america
That's actually terrifying, that we cannot say anything we want anymore.
Arthur Morgan, aka Tacitus Kilgore.
I'll disagree with bert on this he failed in "absolutely" getting rid of them
I just love listening to two people genuinely trying to understand each other with different views have a real discussion, even if it is super carefully. So refreshing
Right! If only politicians could practice this more
Yes very hard not to be fully attentive when people discuss the human condition like this . Left me wanting more
This is the norm in real life
@@specialperson335 it used to be....
Agree
The fact that you aren't allowed to have these sort of discussions on mainstream media outlets is exactly why alternative media is winning (and, I might add, superior).
Alternative media outlets are literally preserving truth by upholding free speech. If you assume that free speech is necessary to a well functioning open society, then preserving the integrity of platforms such as as UA-cam is of utmost societal importance.
I feel that alternative media has always been won/been around. Theres NEVER and never will be a time where main stream media is open, transparent, honest and willing to discuss so called "black market conversation"
Mainstream media is just here to try to keep the masses at ease, not respond to all the real bullshit that's going on in the world and just do population control. U want people to work 40 hours, make enough to take a girl u wanna fuck out for dinner maybe 1 vacation a year, and a apartment/house with little debt as possible.
In the past 10.years alternative news sources are at its peak, and thriving because of the internet.
Even for the right wing u have crowder, Shapiro, Rubin, etc.....so alternative is for any ideology, any philosophy. ...
Even now mainstream putting their news clips on our main page.....look at pakman recent video about this, losing tens of millions of views a month while CNN getting more views now all because UA-cam is distorting people.
.I always had a conspiracy theory, one came true "the advertising and putting all mainstream news clips on the very front or top recommendations on all 300 million Americans watching UA-cam.
Now my final one is UA-cam Gunn be like cable TV.
At first everything is free, u get channels, alternative and mainstream alike all participating which drives up viewership. Than comes along the hotspresd of millions of new channels. Like comedy central doing real real dirty and alternative jokes to having history channel etc. UA-cam has all of it now. Which is the start of the addiction.
Now since people are addicted to UA-cam (mean that in a analogy not actual chemical addiction) just like sports on cable back in the 70's pretty much all free to view.
UA-cam years back did the "pay 5$ a month and watch UA-cam created shit"
I GUARENTEE once us millenials become parents Nd have mortgages there going to make everyone pay for it thus creating cable TV but in the internet point of view. Only gunna be mainstream news, as we see alternatives losing all revenue. UA-cam will become strictly mainstream and for the mainstream.
(Besides few anomalies like anything else like JRE, comedy guys, even people like crowder and TYT may stay since they have some.power)
But once UA-cam becomes 100% mainstream. And a paid service.
You will get another unexpected, newly invented service just how UA-cam came about and the birth of Facebook. There will be some entrepreneur who creates some awsome service that alternative media, perspective and honest journalism will flock too and compete against the mainstream media .
We had this for newspapers via magazines and other papers who produced awsome alternative, than cableTV, now its internet age so yea. Alternative will never replace mainstream but alternative will always compete and fight against power
mr. JDP P Wouldn’t UA-cam already be considered mainstream? I’m pretty sure it’s the 2nd most used search engine after google, and most news outlets/channels have UA-cam channels.
You're absolutely right, internet platforms must be preserved and protected from the censorship and biasedness of mainstream journalism, the problem is that the companies that manage these platforms are often biased themselves, and can manipulate invisible algorithms in order to avoid too much opposition to their agenda
It is "winning" in views because it is more accessible now and offers detailed stuff about very specific areas of x and y. Just like Wikipedia isn't popular because it is exclusively free or not allowed elsewhere, but because it simply has something for everybody to feed on. Ditto for UA-cam.
24 "news" channels are about entertainment. You get a jerk host, two jerk guests and have them yell at each other for ten minutes. A couple commercial breaks and move on to the next segment.
The problem isn't the networks, it's the people. People are mostly morons that don't want to spend 3 hours watching an intellectual conversion. They want to be entertained and that's what modern news gives them.
Imagine Alex Jones and Eddie Bravo discussing like this instead yelling over each other
Wobbly Rooster lol
It wouldnt be funny anymore
I actually dont think I want to
Aldx Jone : CHOKE ME OUT EDDIE! EDDIE COME OVER HERE & CHOKE ME! CHOKE ME! CHOKE ME! DAMMIT EDDIE COME KNOCK ME OUT!
Joe Rogan: Please don't Eddie, don't do it, please sit down.
Eddie Bravo: *sitting down* *crickets"
Sounds boring
I never really felt like this was a "disagreement" at all. More just different styles of communicating.
It's kinda sad how in this generation we have to clarify to the tiniest of detail to affirm that we're not being offensive in discussions like such.
only if you have a job with pc management
I get your point but I think it’s good that people have become more sensitive towards certain topics. I get that it seems stupid having to clarify that you think Hitler is evil. But if you look at the past and how topics like racism, fascism and inequality in any kind of form were played down in the way we talked about them I think we made a huge progress in becoming more sensitive. My point is that although the sensitivity might appear rather silly it actually helps in recognising the problems.
Because in other countries you can go to prison if you disagree or come across as a holocaust denier! Thank the people who market off the death of their own!
Calling something a China Virus is racist? But ya know, it is? There is no bigotry in that statement.. I'm so lost
I just think we have to evolve and understand that we dont have to say everything that's on our minds to clarify common sense. To be accused as a pro hitler only because you wanted to disect his beliefs is unreasonable.
It's actually hilarious how cautiously people have to explain something soo straightforward nowadays due to how quickly and easily people get triggered lol
100%
@NcryptoMistro please go do some research my guy this is an insanely arrogant comment
@NcryptoMistro you're full of 💩. But all leftist shills are.
Yah. I don't like people lol
@NcryptoMistro both sides of that bullshit conflict need to be nuked.
that is the longest ive seen joe rogan go without interrupting to talk about mushrooms
That's crazy but did himler try dmt?
@@mrnobody6447 to be fair he did do many hard drugs so it's not outside the realm of possibility. Can someone fact check?
Rob S did you see that guy who hit a moose with his car?
O how novel a joke about Rogan talking about psychedelics! But for real... part of why Joe is famous is he knows how to shut up at the right times.
Rob S IKR!!!!! The podcast was super boring because of it
This is what I love about Jordan Peterson. He fully understood what was being said but was still humble and insightful enough to ask questions to better his understanding and wasn’t fearful of being incorrect but just wanted to learn more so he can engage better. Amazing how two people can talk out such a sensitive subject whereas the rest of the world can’t even have a respectful conversation on trans rights, gun control or immigration with demanding the other be cancelled.
Prejudice is an intellectual barrier
@@arnoldhorton8115 one of the best comments I’ve read in a long time. Thank you 🙏🏻
Boils down to education. Being educated as a youth to think critically before you speak, and to have respect for others allowing them to speak. This education does not require a degree. It can be taught to our children and so on. The world is becoming less and less educated by their parents to have these skill sets, therefore the problems of today cannot be solved with screaming, fighting, crying, or any other uneducated response.
the only rights which people playing make-believe with their sex/gender, or people who are actually inter-sex, are the same rights all humans have.. if you think otherwise you have serious cognitive issues.
Yeah, Jordan was great here but I would like him to time his interruptions better.
All this walking on eggshells was entirely necessary. ANY part of that where they did not clarify would be taken out of context completely.
Yes it was necessary you go these pc people ready to piece and cancel and start a lynching.
SAD!
Absolutely true.
Thanks to libtards.
@@Ryo-xx1lm Exactly the more they dilute the conversations and make everything seem sensitive to others. The more they will kill our knowledge and our attempt at understanding history and before you know it the history that is trying to be taught will end up repeating itself.
The entire point of the conversation is summed up in the end. Basically, history can repeat itself. Therefore, we must study and understand how atrocities like those perpetuated by the Nazis occur and avoid them at all costs.
Isn't that a given
History does repeat itself, and it isn’t a coincidence. Governments are owned and have been for a very long time. They’re following orders.
History doesn't repeat itself. Never in the history of the universe has an event happened twice. Events are 4-dimensional objects and are unique. Similar things might happen, but those can be attributed to game theory.
@NcryptoMistro What are you referring to?
History does repeats itself. Events happen like in a harmonic motion. There is nothing we can do to stop that. I can clearly see that something would happen in future because of ever increasing gap between right and left. Plus, on geopolitical view, US nearly enjoyed supreme power for about 3 decades. Now China is challenging that and a conflict is inevitable. There are many new powers are rising too who are very frustrated by veto system of UNSC, which works like a mafia guild. So, a war is coming. I can't say who would be against who, but it is coming. Maybe in this century or Maybe in next.
All we can do is try to preserve something that would help us rebuilding.
Analyzing history and tragedy- how admirably done and respectfully debated.
This was a surprising find. It is refreshing to find people that can have a level headed conversation about a topic that, for some, stirs the emotions to the point of irrationality.
brandowag3 i dunno what you mean... most people here are just making claims and aren't up for conversation...
I think he's talking about Jordan Peterson and Bret Weinstein, not all the ridiculously extremists in this comment section.
Todays average liberal would just scream "racism and sexism" and immediately shut down a calm, civilized conversation and debate like this.
Jan Norris That’s the kind of extremist commenting I’m talking about. There are people of all political perspectives that will shut down reasoned conversation, not just liberals. Have you ever asked a liberal what they mean by “racism” or “sexism”? I’d bet your viewpoint isn’t as different as you’d like to believe.
" There are people of all political perspectives that will shut down reasoned conversation, not just liberals." ...OMG, I'm aware of that. But when THE OVERWHEWLMING MAJORITY is coming from one side as opposed to the other we need to make assumptions, comprende???? I don't see conservatives shutting down free speech on college campuses, do you? Im sure its happened somewhere but MOST of the time its from the left. Sigh...
Let’s get a Jordan Peterson and Alex Jones Episode and see what happens
Ian770 that would be incredible
Lawful good vs. chaotic neutral 🤔
That’s a crazy suggestion, I love it
Peterson is too smart for Jones...
@@fireengine77 Peterson is specialized and smarter in many areas compared to a vast majority of people, AND arguably synthesizes on those topics, revealing wisdom in remarkably unique ways. But one of the biggest parts in being wise and competent, is being able to talk with anyone or interact with anyone on the matter. The more you can simplify, the better you understand and the more accessible it is.
I'm starting to think Bret just somehow lost his ability to raise his voice... This dude is like a trained monk or something
Raphaël Paillot
Where did you hear it? Lol that sounds really funny.
@@raphpaillot you can't say true story after proclaiming it's a rumor first
@@raphpaillot it's confirmed
@@raphpaillot good one😂
There are VERY FEW people who could have this civilized conversation about this person.
It was always a given a Nazi like Peterson would be carefully measured.
impressed with Joe's ability to listen when people can have an actual conversation.
Joe is WAY out of his league here, and he knows it. He knows his nowhere near the level that these two guys are, so he just sits back and learns.
@Rei Ren Both of you are ignoring the OP’s purpose of this comment.
Joe is one of the very FEW hosts that can sit there and listen instead of asking question, or making statements. Regardless of what the topic is, if someone is making a point, he listens.
@@actualamateur149 this is one of the first times I’ve seen him act like this, might also be because it’s 2 guests instead of one but he usually interrupts his guests constantly
This is fairly new lol
i don’t think he would have added anything meaningful to their dialogue anyways, no offense to joe
I really miss the "Hello, freak bitches" before every video.
I am the freakiest of all bitches, and I am offended that they put an end to that. It triggers me.
@@michaellynch2168 idk I’d go on to say that I’m the freakiest, and you claiming that you are instead of me is highly offensive
@@jordanharkins97 we need to have a freak bitchoff!
@@jordanharkins97 I don’t know man, all my peers keep calling me a freak and a bitch whenever they see me. I’m not sure, but it often just ends up with me crying in the corner....
Let's do it SON! MA FREAKBITCHESSNESS IS UNPARALLELED. I'll put it to the test ma dude!!!!
OK wait a minute I got one “ A clinical psychologist and an evolutionary biologist walk into a bar...”
We're waiting
with a mixed martial arts comedian podcast host as the bartender. Next?
One says to the other. “here’s what I think about hitler.”
Everyone in the bar leaves because they enjoy having a career.
@@ryanluft6866 Need an asian or a rabbi...wait...asian rabbi.
"A blind man walks into a bar, and then a chair, and then a table.."
Anyone gonna mention that the total population of Jews in Germany at the start of the war was LESS THEN 1% ?
This is actually the best intro to everything in existence: Soooo ... We haven't talked about Hitler yet.
At least with Joe it's not a trap lol
Eventually you end up talking about Hitler with the boys. 😆
Why is this thus? And what is the reason for this thusness?
Bret Weinstein kinda sounds like heath ledger's joker.
Fuck. I can’t not hear it now.
Lmao whoa. How high were you?
are you calling Bret a faggot? Jk
Nolen fan boys will find a link between Ledger's the Joker and almost any conversation.
@@matthewrichmond4139 true😂 (doesnt change the fact that he was awesome)
The largest obstacle to wisdom is assumption.
and the most commonly used assumption is what day it is,.
Artstrology hahaha nice
Ignorance*
You can’t reason without assumptions.
Yeah because even if the assumptions are right they can deny it because there is no way to prove it right.
The most careful conversation ever
Peterson smiles and sits back and says "I'm donning a lifejacket and cracking a beer. Go on, Bret, tell us your thoughts about Hitler."
Jordan did subtly suggest the idea that Himmler was misappropriating his resources, via murder and seizing assets, instead of utilising human labour. A very plausible point, as similar behaviours van be seen on a smaller scale in workplaces, boss doesn't know everything that goes on.
My thought was Peterson saying, “don’t worry if I see you drowning I will toss you a rock.”
@@matthewmeuleman3369 Not really, as there was plenty of facilities and factories run through slave labor. It was the entire point of separation of the men and wife, and having abled bodied workers.
In short, the Nazi Regime had more labor power than needed. The issue was lack of resources, specifically oil.
With all due respect, I would not ascribe to anyone present as the sole possessor of "the truth"
Nobody: ...
Joe: “let's talk Hitler !”
😂👍
Haha he does a lot.
What do you mean nobody? I love talking hitler
It took 26 million Soviet people and 4 years to overpower the Germans and push them 2000km from Moscow back to Berlin.
Americans really should study this in school.
That, and a western and southern front to siphon resources from the eastern front. And let's not forget Germany's ally and historical enemy of Russia, Japan, being tied up and unable to open a front against the Russians as well.
umh.. u do learn this in school
Who rules who? Those who silence you!
And Germany was on two fronts so they had to keep men in France Norway etc AND Hitler didn't gear the economy for all out war until 1943 AND Japan didn't help AND Germany had intelligence disadvantages such as the red Lucy ring and ultra
We do!
"...You can't say he [Hitler] was without artistic talent..."
Yeah...that didn't end well for the world last time someone told Hitler he had no artistic talent.
😂this got me
😂
He was at best a mediocre artist.
Not even an artist, a painter.
Social justice warriors changed the way people speak
Tried and trying...
Will not succeed.
Rienk Kroese they’ve already instilled so much fear in these people, that they had to preface every single statement with “I’m not defending Hitler”. It’s bullshit how careful we have to be with our words nowadays.
The right didn't help things. They co-op every single thing they can, just as much as the Left, and play the identity politics card even more often. It's hypocritical at best and fucking cognitive dissonance on crack at worst.
Tywin Lannister If the right is worse, why is it the groups these celebrities are all afraid is the left? I can think of no right wing group is worried about right now. The KKK? They’re a dusty box in the back of an attic. Whereas LBGTQ, ANTIFA, BLM, MeToo can all demolish lives and careers merely based on accusation alone. These people are metaphorically sentenced without even benefit of trial or doubt so it’s confusing how you can believe the left isn’t responsible for this current political climate.
@@sulla1537 yeah, you have no idea wtf you are even trying to articulate.
To humor you; I can tell you which side DOESNT have a current organization that the FBI considers domestic terrorists. I'll give you one guess.
How every Hitler conversation goes: “Listen… I don’t condone what the man did and he was extremely evil, but he is extremely interesting.” 😂
When I was 14 I got in a heated discussion with my history teach who was studying WW2 for his masters. I pointed out from hos own words Hitler was trying to stimulate the economy through war. And it was the fault of WW1 reperations putting Germany in that situation in the first place. He stopped me and told me to be careful.
@@greylatern because you were getting closer to the truth…
@@greylatern he was like look buddy, I know but just don’t say it out loud lol.
@@hastyhd5040 lol basically yes. WW1's over the top punishment of Germany ruined the country's economy and made it susceptible to people like Hitler. Never underestimate the power of the human survival mechanisms. It has the ability to override our higher brain function(intelligence) and we can do really dumb and evil things.
@@greylatern That's a very simplistic view of history, one that seems to be the standard for teaching school children (it's also the version I was taught). Reparations, the stab in the back, etc certainly helped Hitler consolidate his position within the Nazi party, but the Nazi's themselves were political nobodies until the Great Depression in 1929. The Nazi's had only obtained 2-3% of the vote in the federal election the year before, and there was no indication that was going to increase any time soon.
Not to put any blame on the US, because there's not much else they could have done, but it was the US calling their loans in that ruined the German economy and amongst other things, paved the way for Hitler. It was a perfect storm of a bunch of events and incidents that set Hitler up, and for some reason we are taught that it was mostly down to an over-punitive treaty. Besides, Germany had her own treaty all worked out if they had won, and it was far more punitive than Versailles.
As for the original comment that 'Hitler was trying to stimulate the economy through war', that is also a very simplistic view. Hitler was all about the war, stimulating the economy was a means to that end. He basically spelled out all of his intentions in Mein Kampf, which is a hell of a struggle to read, but one could not come away from it under the illusion that Hitler just accidentally stumbled into a war, it was his intention from the very start and he wrote hundreds of pages attempting to justify it if he was ever given the chance (which he thought he would never get, being locked up for high treason at the time of its writing).
All that said, yes, he is 'extremely interesting'
The most intense disagreement about an agreement.
True
There is no other historical event that's as heavily guarded as the 'hall of cost".
Its a punishable crime in over 17 countries to question the official narrative. And in America, they've already passed laws that make it illegal to criticize one specific tribe .
Many specific tribes.
Rogan knows when to talk and when to listening.He is also funny and smart at the same time and the greatest interviewer ever.
Do you think he will talk about the massive study that has now concluded that Ivermectin is not effective in treating Covid?
I know when to listening.
Ahh Sean Evans is up there but if we're talking long form Interviews rogans got it
Let's be real how many top tier journalists do you actually know. People interviewing dictators en guerilla leaders with massive ego's with the very real possibility of losing their heads. Joe is great but has plenty of flaws and doesn't really ever broach important, dangerous and difficult topics. He gives people a platform to speak their truth without questioning the narrative, and when he does its not very sharp.
@@benedicthampus4964 you can’t even form a sentence u dumbshit
I absolutely love how much they use closed-loop communication and active listening in order to understand each other while avoiding misunderstanding. Their versions of disagreement lead to really interesting discourse as they seek to understand where the other is coming from!
Also, hats of to JR who is able to facilitate this level of conversation and read the room. I didn't hear him interrupt once and it shows how great of a host he is!
Or maybe Joe is so in over his head, he doesn’t want to come off stupid. I’m familiar with Joe Rogan but I’m not a regular listener. I do get that he is a bright guy and speaks intelligently.
@@larbueno the fact that hes not speaking, shows that hes NOT in over his head. hes exactly where he belongs in that convo, on the other side of the table and sitting quietly.
@@elijahisbell2622 🔥
If only Rogan would shut up permanently. He didn't use the N word once, so that's a new record for him I guess
🤣 get a load of this guy
When I used to think about what college was going to be like, I thought my professors would be like Mr. Peterson and Mr. Weinstein. Boy was I wrong--I would've loved to have either one of these guys as an instuctor.
Tell me about it as part of mine I had to do economics, I was told trumps economic policies were stupid even tho they completely boosted the economy. Just tells me not all those guys are as smart as we think
I had a world war 2 vet that backpacked across Europe after the war was over, he drove an old beat up Volkswagen bug yellow w/ a bandaid on the hood.. one of the most interesting men I’ve encountered
What college did you go to? I went to San Francisco State University for philosophy, and all of my professors were top notch.
@@Rubberbandfan1 Not saying that all my professors where not top notch, few were acceptable, although, most of them certainly did not aspire to be so. What I was commenting on had to do with my professors lack of passion for their craft. For perspective this was in the early to mid 90's, I am sure academia is different now. I did not experience the passions or preciseness of Peterson or Weinstein, I would have treasured it though. To answer your question UNO, UK, Mechanical Eng----Never spoke with any one who thought ALL of their professors were "top notch", interesting
That’s the masters and PhD program, not undergrad.
I was gonna write someting interesting but then I saw 8.871 comments and figured I'll just leave this here to support the channel
When the 2 smart kids in class get different answers.
And the gym teacher is subbing in 😂
There are zero smart kids on this class
@@MrShanester117 why ?
Just curious,not a fan of any of em except Joe maybe
@@MrShanester117 lmao stupid is as stupid does bro
Lmfao
This is how political ideas should be spoken no screaming or trying to make the other one look like a fool: just people explaining their ideas and agreeing to disagree in a certain degree
Haha been there
Jordan peterson sounds like a manly kermit the frog
such an original comment.
@@markheckerman7343 thank you sir your approval means everything to me
Kermit the alpha frog.
This is truly a gem of a thread it even has a touch of Miss Piggy towards the end
Kermit the alpha lobster😂
i almost forgot that joe is also there 😂, great host, great listener .
JR knows he is totally out of his depth. Best to say nothing and let the two would-be intellectuals bloviate.
Noboby:
Joe Rogan: *breaths loudly*
Lol
Clears throat, coughs*
What an amazing amount of respect shown here. Not even sure it’s a disagreement... more like a perspective from another field of study on the same topic. Kudos to joe for facilitating quality
They are definitely disagreeing, it's just that it's very rare these days to see what a good faith argument looks like.
I heard no disagreement.
It's more like saying anything that could be interpreted as controversial would be social suicide so when you talk about Hitler you're stepping on hot coals because you can't mention any positive whatsoever
I just watched this 3 times and still have no idea wtf they're arguing about
Peterson describes people with an IQ of 115 as a rather dull undergraduate.
Im not sure where the "disagreement" arises, but it seems weinstein is postulating that while what hitler did was wrong, it was based on a logic that ultimately, from the mindset of wanting to create a stronger germany, could be viewed as a beneficial thing (if you ignore all the things hitler said about what he was doing, once it gets into the biological superiority of the aryan race is where hitlers philosophy falls apart). I dont think they disagreed with eachother though, not really
@@TheShootist To be honest, I'd rather be dull than you. From the lectures I've watched it'd be safe to say Peterson thinks the same. He explicitly states that we shouldn't conflate nobility or character with IQ (obviously). I'd be careful not to fail at both
Congratulations, you are officially a Jordan Peterson fan
@Angry Goyim maybe im an idiot but it sounds suspiciously like youre defending the ideals of the nazi party?? tell me im an idiot pls?
Bretts communication style is not what I'd call concise. Loves making filler words and talking in riddles
Just look up the definition of the words he's saying. He says every word with intent, saying it's filler is ridiculous, maybe you can make an argument for the riddle but filler.
Joe, " we haven't talked about hitler." Rogan
I forgot that Joe Rogan was a part of this episode.
He was? Are you sure? He just kinda Ninjaed up and disappeared.
That's a good thing
You didn't hear him breathing heavily in to the microphone?
This is not a disagreement. It's two highly intelligent men philosophically discussing the atrocity of genocide and its effect on are world. Many of the greatest philosophers I've ever heard often use Hitler as an example, when challenging what you think you know and how you view the world.
That’s what I sounds like not me
The greatest philosophers youve heard of are post Hitler?
@@gial27 Immanuel Kant was very important. Especially for modern science. But to be fair; Name one Philosopher who wasnt important. When you know His Name Till today, He pretty much was very important
Weinstein is a liar and not very bright.
Human paradoxes usually birth these philosophical topics.
Wow, this was only 4 years ago? When you see Dr Peterson now, he has really aged in those 4 years. Of course he’s been through some really tough times in the last few years and almost died. But still, it’s shocking to see what a series of negative events can do to someone who is brilliant and for decades had it together.
talking about walking on eggshells :D
Dimitris Blane No kidding! Albeit, they are showing huge respect in hearing eachother out and how they insert their opinion into the discussion. More forums should be like this (without all the insta-triggering and hoping to be offended by someone else not have a copy/paste of your exact opinion in order to validate your stance). Debate is a form of art.
This is called Socratic dialogue, when both are seeking truth rather than victory over the other.
Gregshells
Reinhard Heydrich wait, your saying the war didn’t happen?
Reinhard Heydrich yea the excellent third reich recordkeepers were just making shit up. you people have no critical thinking skills and use youtube conspiracy videos as your primary source
Man, this is how it should be any conversation, just pure respect between each other.
I respect Joe Rogans cability to listen and let his interviewees talk inform and educate, especially when dealing with controversial subjects. Fantastic.
He is, imo, one of the better interviewers out there. Love seeing his videos (well most of them).
I'd like to make note here for everyone that Hitler's scholars espoused German superiority, in the name of Aryanism. That the use of the word Aryan has a history beyond hitler's atrocities. Earlier Anthropological literature merely listed aryans as being all Indo-europeans, where originally recorded, were that their pagan root rites and practices were deemed superior to other pagan rites and practices, such as cannablism and human sacrifice. I feel it necessary to clarify as it may be that the word, Aryan, was attributed to them, for sake of their aliment with conscience, which is arguably arisen from the apophatic approach to God in Western Spirituality, that is the works of Pseudo-Dionysius The Aereopagite. Where apophasis as an approach to God, is listing all that he is not, as well as all that he is beyond. Allowing the obstruction that Hitler and his scholars besmirched all the indo europeans' history as Aryan might Bar some from this early text that was written in the 5th 6th century. If we allow ourselves to think of aryans as hitlers version that he focused in on "German superiority" for prosodic mind control and appeal to the German populace in the name of aryans, all those who, were recorded in earlier Anthropological literature, we risk blocking off the appreciation for ancestors' developments of conscience, in the most grotesque ways. Although Pseudo Dionysius the Aereopagite is early Western Spirituality and is part of the convergence of a more Christian lean to it, it is possible that indo europeans were called aryans, previous to hitler, to honour conscientious templation, and removing the obscurations of apophasis to discovering one's truths, instead of misidentifying what was apophatic for what is true, instead of as a process of contrasting it to find the truth as it being such a process of truth discovery. Let us have our history, and knowledge and our truth, for our ancestors and brethren, as well as our friendships and scholarly conferences theoughout history, while retaining agreement against all forms of genocide and Hitler's scholars' prosodic focial mind control, where he rerouted the notion of superiority, claiming that the Germans were the superior race, where it was merely and initially intended to read as pagan or ethnic rites and practices being superior in the conscientious sense.
It is important also to note, that conscience, if apophatic, is what not to do, whereas we prevent and should act against it. And if having transmuted the Daemon into genium in alignment with the Source, by whatever name our varietous affiliations have named such, then conscience can be what one should act under whereso such is in alignment with what can be shared, conferred, or provided for.
I love how Peterson twists himself into a pretzel to avoid being taken out of context by malicious trolls.
Jordan "If I only utter the word Hitler I am gonna get called a nazi anyway" Peterson.
@@Hungabrigoo Then only one who accuses someone of being literally Hitler is also Hitler.