Angel - 5x15 "A Hole in the World" Reaction
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- Why can't she stay?
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I forgot to tell you. The song Eve sings to Lorne is the song Lindsey sang at Caritas in Season 2--"LA Song."
Let's say something good about this episode: it really gave Amy Acker a chance to showcase her acting ability, and she really rose to the occasion.
Season 5 made me truly appreciate and marvel at Amy's acting in ways I hadn't before. Liam, who is heartbroken now, will love what's to come. As impossible as that might seem to him now.
I was never a big fan of Fred as a character, but Amy Acker blew me away from this point onwards. She's incredible.
Yes, as much as I love Fred, looking back I do think this was the right move for both the show and the actress.
it was Amy Acker herself who wanted this change and asked for it
And the subsequent episodes, too!
Random bit of trivia: this episode was so emotionally crushing that afterwards the cast had dinner and everyone was so drained that no one said a word to each other. This ended up being the inspiration for the shawarma scene in The Avengers.
Nicky Brendon also inspired the schwarma scene. Joss tells the story (I think it was when he first met Nick) of how Nick just randomly shouted, hey anybody want schwarma?? Or something to that affect, and Joss has never forgotten such an odd thing
@@spikesecho724 I thought RDJ improvised that line?
@@davidmernick7360 If you UA-cam search Buffy Panel Discussion, which has Joss with some of the writers and actors, Joss tells the story about Nicky. So def not an RDJ line
@@davidmernick7360 If you look it up, the schwarma story is at 13:40 in the vid
Winifred Burkle, one of the gentlest souls in all of the Buffyverse and gets what is probably the most painful of deaths in the Buffyverse.
“Why can’t I stay” is objectively the bigger heartbreaker, but for me the line in this episode that gets me is Spike’s “There’s a hole in the world…feels like we should have known”
Agreed. Idk why but I get chills whenever Spike says that.
“Why can’t I stay?” - If it helps (and it did for me); Fred wouldn’t have forgiven Angel & Spike if they traded her life for the hundred of thousands of lives that’d have been lost to save her. She unknowingly died helping keep Angel & Spike’s souls intact, she’s a bigger hero than she imagined. She leaves the world as pure & innocent as anyone else that’s ever appeared in the BuffyVerse.
mm..."Your shirt"
@@Brandyalla Yeah, let's be real. Fred DID try to intentionally murder her professor as an act of revenge. She's not as pure as fans make her out to be.
Tara is more pure. Fred attempted to murder someone.
@@seanthomas3091 You gotta look at it on a sliding scale; it’s Angel, who hasn’t tried to and/or succeeded in killing somebody (or something)? Tara obviously didn’t go around getting her hands dirty, but her death nearly kicked off the apocalypse (not her fault or what she’d want, but still). Oppositely, Fred was allowed to die to prevent the deaths of countless others because Angel & Spike both knew Fred wouldn’t have been able to live with herself and that much blood on her hands. It’s a sacrifice Fred would have made if presented the choice herself, what more can I say?
@@locomadman since we're going down that road...Fred likely would have made the choice, but she didn't. Buffy killed her "soul mate" to save the world and then gave her life to save the world. So really the character in the Buffyverse who is the purest is Buffy herself. Since the slayer is Joss' "Christ figure"...there is no greater love than laying down your life for your friends. No other character in that universe was confronted with the choice of giving up their life for the entire world.
This episode took "Is that it? Am I done?" And multiplied it by three.
"The cavemen win... of course the cavemen win", "There's a hole in the world... seems like we should've known", and "why can't I stay?" Live in my mind, now.
Yes, this a tough one. I think the scene that gets me the most is the terrifying look on Lorne's face when he reads Fred's singing and he realises what is going to happen...
That was definitely the death of the Lorne we were used to seeing, losing Fred killed him.
"Please Wesley why can't I stay?" Contends with "Mom....Mom....Mommy..." for the saddest line in all the Buffyverse. I've always wondered if they had brought Fred to the deeper well then expelled "it" there would be no mass death and suffering.
I think the thing that gets to me the most this episode is Lorne punching Eve, Lorne is usually such a comic relief character and I think when that scene happened I was like wow this is serious, we may actually lose Fred so sad
That always sticks out to me. Especially the story he tells right after, its just a silly little story but it shows why Lorne thinks so highly of Fred and why losing her is such a blow to the world.
Shiny Antics mentioned you specifically when he watched this episode: ua-cam.com/video/WY3saieYxlQ/v-deo.html
I've heard that Cavemen vs. Astronauts was added as a side bit for humor, but I find that hard to believe. It fits so perfectly with fact that Ilyria (ancient and primordial) wins against Fred (a scientist) and the whole skyscraper full of people trying to save her.
Back in 4x20 Fred gave a speech about the difficulty of human emotions and how even so she would "take that over being a shell any day". That always makes this flash forward this episode, where she literally becomes a shell 😭
I was going to mention that Fred quote in the comment section of 'Shells' but now I don't have to 😂
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I see my virtual hug has finally been received. More than a year and a half later and this episode still hurts. As someone who also suffers from anxiety, I had a heavy chest the day I watched it. This episode is physically painful to watch for me.
As expected, despite my evil defense mechanism, watching your reaction has made me relive the same sadness again. Not much left of the series, so please do enjoy it :)
I remember watching it and you being like “can’t wait for Liam to see this one!” Lol and you were like so worried for him.
I’m probably in the minority but i loved this episode and this story arc. Fred was my favorite episode in Angel, but I feel that’s why this episode was so impactful.
This one is on par with "The Body" in terms of "never wanna watch the show again, and possibly go walk into the ocean" vibes. Just utterly brutal and merciless. The only silver lining (and it's a small one) is that Amy Acker is now given a chance to play something radically different from anything we've ever seen before. But that's cold comfort.
Nah as time goes on rhe body while still real loses some of that punch for me this episode is still a hit to the gut. I think part of it for me is that Joyce was a natural death, quick and painless and nobody can outrun that. Fred suffers and struggles and the whole process of her death is on camera and with it we watch Wes spiral. Wes who was by the book as to right and wrong shoots someone for making him angry and watches her body shut down
It’s such a great episode, but OOOF what a body blow it was. (Especially right after “Smile Time” and “You’re Welcome”.) “Why can’t I stay” breaks my heart every single time.
Another bit of trivia, the song Eve sings for Lorne is a song Lindsay sang in season 2's Episode "Dead End" It's called LA song. It's clear he sang for her a lot if that's her go-to song.
And it's Christian Kanes song irl!
Don't feel bad about not wanting to continue. This is one of the most brutally depressing episodes of television that exist. This and the body. Nothing but pain.
This one's worse in a way, because we only found Joyce after she was gone. Buffy didn't walk in five minutes earlier and deal with it as it was happening.
This is worse than the body by far.
My reasoning. 1) It's non natural. 2) We see her and know she's suffering. Joyce was stated to have felt no pain because it was quick. 3) We have to watch other characters spiral into things that aren't like themselves. 4) There is an option to save her but they HAVE to let her die
I think the Fred & Wesley scenes in this one are some of the strongest in the Buffyverse (at least). Very well acted and sincere.
It does have a lot of very iconic dialogue- both funny and heartbreaking.
I have thoughts about it in the context of everything which we can get back to post-finale.
Liam: I'm so excited.
Me: Oh no.
We lost Fred in one of the most extraordinarily painful deaths in the entire Buffyverse. BUT, we got to hang onto Amy Acker for some dynamite new work.
One of my favourite episodes, despite how sad it is. Such a strong episode. The writing was superb.
Liam : always excited to see what’s coming next
Me : no you’re not. Noooooo you’re not. XD
In the words of Ian, "One freaking day! They got one freaking day"... poor Wesley
Watching your reaction to an episode like this reminds me of Angel in Passion, standing outside Buffy's house to watch her and Willow react to the news about Jenny.
I came here to see a grown man cry and I wasn't disappointed.
When I heard someone had spoiled a death on the show I was terrified that this was the death, and as a result you'd never watch the season. Its a soul crusher. Amy and Alexis were so amazing.
I still remember the old Spoiler Slayer site's notes on this episode - "Fred suffers a setback"
I’m so glad you didn’t watch this over your Christmas holiday. What a bummer that would of been 😭 I feel you Fred is one of my all time favourite characters. Wishing you a happy new year
This episode highlights Joss Whedon can be such a brilliant writer, and it's partly why the Buffyverse endures despite everyone acknowledging he is a bullying twat.
I hear ya but what is the alternative? Buffy verse with Josh, or the CW, Star Trek with all those fey twats? give me powerful story telling
@@dontgiveinfo Whedon is not a sole reason Buffyverse works so well to this day. There was an entire team of brilliant people involved with both shows and in a lot of ways both shows work just as much in spite of him than just because of him.
The alternative in a perfect world would be assembling a team just as capable for telling stories like that.
@@MyFeuerFrey I agree, but all of them joined in and saw the creative force behind the person who created it. If he never got the chance to make this show. None of these ppl would have been able to find a home to work on their craft, get the experience and go off on their own to make their shows. I agree many of them went off to create cable shows. Like Dardevil, work on X-files, movies, the list is a mile long, but it all started with this show and Whedon. Say what u will about him, but he started it
I watched this episode when it first aired. It broke me then. Every time I watch this episode I cry (ugly cry), and watching you react to it today, wasn’t any different, even though I know what’s coming.
Years before we had our hearts broken with the words, "I don't want to go" we were destroyed by, "why can't I stay?"
Amy Acker kills it in the new role.
I am never ready for this episode... No matter how many times it rolls around.
Wesley: I will never leave you.
And he didn't.
Whether you hate Joss as a person or not, he is good with certain aspects of writing. Turning something funny like Cavemen vs Astronauts into a sad/tragic plot beat is one thing he did well writing-wise. He did the same thing in _The Avengers_ with Captain America's trading cards.
Let's face it - he can be a brilliant writer, and it's partly why the show endures despite everyone acknowledging he is a bullying twat.
Something really sad about the flashback is that her parents wanted to protect from things that are truly dangerous in the world...having no idea the kinds of things that WOULD pose a threat. And in the hours of her suffering her parents are back home in Texas unaware. As much as I've been critical about some of Fred's writing, I never fail to cry about all the things she says while dying...it reminds me of how brave she could be despite being so defined by jumpiness and fear when we met her. Not that this is a badly written episode but I think if this was going to happen, there's so much that could have been done with Fred before they did it. So much potential 😭 (see Patreon rant lmao)
As painful as this episode is, it is the start of an 8 episode final stretch that is one of the best things the Buffyverse has ever done.
I am sorry Liam, I hope your enthusiasm will come back, and if you love Amy Acker, I'm sure it will ;)
Agreed.
A LOT of us felt the same way you did after this episode. I was so angry. I had rooted for Fred and Wes to get together and then they finally do and they couldn't even let them be happy for an episode. In the years since I first watched it...this has become one of my favorite Angel episodes. Everyone gave a great performance. If you get a chance sometime you should watch the commentary video for this. I forget who does it other than James Marsters, but it's good. I know he said he really wanted to convey a lot when he said there's a whole in the world and it feels like we should have known. What makes this so tragic is that they ARE all heroes and yet...they couldn't save one of their own (and let's be honest...it was Fred. A lot of them would have taken her place if they could have). I feel like this episode really defines the entire series...the darkness and tragedy and humanness despite the fact that they live in a supernatural world.
This is also sort of the "Angel" answer to The Body on "Buffy." Those two episodes are tragic and both are hard to watch. They are also probably two of the most-watched videos for reactors because of how impactful they are. Both are hard episodes...but both have so much meaning behind them.
One of the most heartbreaking episodes ever. Ever since you started calling Fred your cinnamon roll, I've been nervous for this episode reaction. I still bawl like a baby after all these years. The line, "please Wesley. Why can't I stay?" < melt down >
This show is still worth it, but yeah, a doozy.
I wanna second Fred's "Why can't I stay" -
Why can't she stay??? 😭😭😭
I can't count how many times I've watched this episode through rewatches and reactions and I'm still ugly crying... My heart hurts for the little cinnamon bun that was Fred 💔
I just saw this and said ‘oh shit’.. this and Cordy.. I wasn’t ready for you to see this. I’m sorry.
I’m on my rewatch, at this point it’s the second time I’ve seen these.. and it hurt! Then I watched Shan’s reaction, it hurt. Now yours caused me to ball my eyes out the most. I love Fred.. and I can’t imagine you getting mean messages about that. But yeah.. this was a huge punch to the gut 😢
I've been worried for you about this episode ever since I first started watching your Buffy videos... once I saw how you took to Willow right away, I was sure you'd take to Fred similarly and I knew this was coming.
I know this is now a year after you watched this, but I feel for ya all the same, Liam. My best to you.
I stress ate three cupcakes while watching this reaction. I’ve been dreading this one. On a happier note, some of my very favorite Angel episodes are on the way. The end to this series is incredible.
I've been dreading you getting to this one. Angel's 'The Body'. One of the best of the series but you never want to watch it again.
both are very close in terms of when they occur in the series 5x16 the body and 5x15 this one
The two are quite the pairing. The Body is all about a natural death and how the characters begin the grieving process; while this is all about a magical illness that was preventable in so many ways and how our characters desperately try to stop it.
I had to stop watching for a while as I knew this episode was coming up and it still has me sobbing every time I see it, and It did again x
I can’t lie, I watched these as they released. This episode ended it. I didn’t watch the end of the series until years later. Amy’s acting skills in this and the next stretch of episodes is worth it.
On a more light hearted note: “There’s a hole in the world. Seems we should’ve known.” Is one of my most obscure quotes I use all of the time when shots going wrong.
This and "The Body" are absolutely gut-wrenching episodes.
I bawled my eyes out when I first watched this too. Even on a repeat watch several years ago, I was a mess. The new character is really awesome. Amy is a fantastic actress, but it's getting over that initial grief!! Spikes quote about a hole in the world always hits me hard too. Great episode 👍
*all the cuddles that ever have or ever will exist in this universe* 🥺
MR AND MRS BURKLE 🥰
"I love you like pancakes" is probably the cutest way to say I love you 🥞
FEIGENBAUM AKA THE MASTER OF CHAOS 🐰
Gunn messin' with Wes about his and Fred's relationship is MEAN BUT WHOLESOME AF TOO! 😂
The ICONIC Caveman vs Astronauts Argument... if Fred says Cavemen win, then they absolutely do! 🔥👩🏻🚀
"Handsome man saves me" - Fred
"That's how it works" - Angel
"No. Not this girl. Not this day" - Spike
"Winifred Burkle. Go!" - Angel. If ever there was a rallying cry... THAT'S IT!
Gunn vs Gunn in the White Room 🤯
Eve sung L.A Song to prove her innocence in the matter to Lorne (who straight up bitch slapped her), L.A Song is the what Lindsey sung at Caritas in 'Dead End' 🎶
Angel has PTSD is from losing Cordy in almost exactly the same way 😢
We learn of the Old Ones (specifically Illyria), the Deeper Well and of the mysterious Drogyn! 🌳
"I am not the damsel in distress. I am not some case. I have to work this. I've lived in a cave for five years in a world where they killed my kind like cattle. I am not gonna be cut down by some monster flu. I AM BETTER THAN THAT!" - Fred ❤
Book Man reads A Little Princess 📖
"My boys. I walk with heroes. Think about that [Superhero. And this is my power, to not let them take me. Not me!]" - Fred. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE A SUPERHERO! 🥺
"I've loved you... since I've known you. No, that's not... I think maybe even before" - Wes. BEYOND HEARTBREAKING! 💔
"There's a hole in the world. Feels like we ought to have known" - Spike. AND THAT'S THE MOMENT THE WORLD COMES CRASHING DOWN AROUND ALL OF US!
FRED AND WES WERE TOGETHER! THEY KISSED A LOT AND HAD FLIRTY BANTER AND IT WAS EVERYTHING THEY (AND WE) DESERVED EVEN IF ONLY FOR A BRIEF TIME! THEY LOVED EACH OTHER WITH EVERYTHING THEY HAD, AND SO DID WE... NOTHING ABOUT WHAT COMES NEXT TAKES AWAY FROM WHAT THEY SHARED!
And then quite possibly the most soul-destroying last words to ever be uttered in a Whedonverse series (which is saying a lot considering the very long and depressing list)...
"Please, Wesley... why can't I stay?"
😭💔😭💔😭
Worse than "I think my leg is broken..."
I'm so sorry Liam...
I'm honestly surprised this wasn't spoiled for you, but I'm so sorry, take all the time you need.
I agree, I'm pissed that Fred was killed, glad they kept Amy on the show, the character she becomes is amazing.
Same I love her. Is it bad that I like her more than Fred? Don't get me wrong I love Fred with my heart but she just does something to me. It could be that power is attractive for me idk
Not going to lie, I've been quite worried about you getting to this episode. Hope you're doing ok and are hugging your angel puppet if you need to.
I've watched this multiple times since it aired and it still break my heart. Every. Single. Time. 💜💜💜
I've always liked to compare this to Buffy's death. Buffy went out heroic, painless, saving the day, bold; it was her choice. It's the death we all want. Fred's death is much closer to what most of us get; long, slow, painful, and full of grief, confusion, and fear.
As always, a story about monsters is more human than most fiction out there...
13:19 " I mean as soon as we'got the first scene with a flashback with Fred, her parents I was like: 'Well, F*ck' "
:)
Yes, that is the concept in the whole Buffyverse: There are happy moments, but when it is too happy you should get suspicious. I feel your pain.
If we could hug you, we would.
is the guy Gunn killed the same guy who played the " therapist" vampire on Buffy?
We're all here to watch Liam cry, and to cry with him. Tears feed the Buffy-verse.
Buffy/Angel, the show we love because it upsets us and makes us cry!
I recently noticed the two episodes of TV that have made me cry the most are both episodes called "A Hole In The... something" and starring David Boreanaz. This one, and in Bones "A Hole In The Heart".
I was really dreading this episode, knowing your feelings for Fred. We all bawled our eyes out over it. Huggles.
Phenomenal episode, and the most brilliant, perfect pain. Brought to you by Joss Whedon, of course. Who else can create such a thing. "Why can't I stay" 😭😭
Well said. That’s all I gotta say about this one, well said… 🥴
Yay a duke reaction to cheer me up!
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Oh shit.
"You are my sunshine" was my grandmas family song, she had it on tapestries and sang it to me to sleep, so when fred, who is from also texas and talked with the same accent as my grandma sang it before she fell... that effected me
Great reaction, man! I’m looking forward to the rest of them! Happy New Year!
I know you said that you assume everyone's been looking forward to you getting to this episode, but speaking as a fellow Fred fan who remembers how much The Body affected you I was dreading you having to go through this - so much so that I had a stress dream about it a few nights ago. 😅 Some of your viewers might like pain, but I'm sure I speak for more than a few of us when I say that if we thought that we could have convinced you that Angel was abruptly cancelled after Smile Time we would have. Absolutely reasonable to not feel like carrying on after that experience. It's so emotionally draining that it just leaves me feeling numb - which I guess is what they were going for, but it's still not something I like subjecting myself to.
It is masterfully put together, though. The science vs. brute ancient strength debate, the repeating motifs of hollowness, the reminder of a central Angel theme: that life is harsh and cruel, but that's why there's champions... and then the awful moment when the champions don't end up saving the day. At the same time there's the unfortunate timing of this happening so soon after Cordy, and the fact that seemingly no female lead on this show is safe from demonic bodily exploitation, which is all kinds of iffy. To say it's an episode I have mixed feelings towards is putting it very lightly.
Regardless, I do hope you're okay and that you take some time for yourself. Please know that even though we're not as loud as some of your other commenters, there are far more of us who don't care how fast you get through the series as long as you're looking out for yourself.
Very well said. Completely second all of this.
I have been worried about him too.
“I’m so unenthusiastic to carry on” is very much a recurring theme this season, and this episode truly drives it home.
It's a gut punch. Sending my condolences. Your attachment to the character is so strong.
I know your not hyped but the season is about to get so good.
When I watched this episode I was broken and had to watch some Xena and Hercules back when they were on Netflix. I'm glad I didn't stop because while this is the second time they spit on my soul, it gave rise to one of my favorite characters in the Buffyverse. Illyria is the greatest thing to come out of this season for me. She exudes such ferocity and grace when she on screen. I know this hurts Liam but what comes next blows minds and there's a little something in the comics about it that you might like
I might be miss-remembering but I seem to remember an interview with Amy Acker saying that while she loves playing Fred she really enjoyed the opportunity to play a different type of character, especially as most others are very much the Fred type
I have been dreading you getting to this episode for so long.
Hugs...
This is a rough one for sure. I know exactly what you mean with the anxiety symptoms you mentioned. I get tingling in my arm sometimes and a bit of numbness. It’s annoying. I only recently finished the show for the first time and I was also put off after this one. I really loved the direction they went, though. Honestly I like the last season of angel more than the last season of Buffy because of Fred’s storyline and Buffy has been my favorite show since it aired.
I couldn't help but wince when she showed up, knowing what was coming and how you immediately fell in love with her.
When you hit your elbow, as you were getting ready to start the video…… My thoughts were: If you thought that was painful….. Just wait! Also…… Talk about ironic…… You’re starting with pain….. You’ll be ending with a LOT of pain! Sorry, Liam! I am glad you’re back! Glad you’re feeling better! Happy New Year!!! 💗💗💗
Liam "Happy new year!"
Me: no... Not this time.
The moment you met and fell in love with Fred, I've been waiting with bated breath for you to get to this episode, because I knew just how painful it was going to be. Fred was just too pure for the world of Angel. Pure things don't survive there. I remember the first time I watched this episode I was too in shock to cry. It was only afterwards when I thought about it that I absolutely sobbed my heart out.
I do think it's a fantastic episode though, as painful as it is. Watching Angel and Spike work together to try and save their girl is everything.
Big hugs buddy, this one is heart crushing, really reminiscent of the Tara death in Buffy s6 just that tease of a character so beloved finally getting to be happy just to be brutally ripped away brings tears to my eyes every time
I forgot this was coming. As an aside, if I remembered, I wouldn't have looked forward to this for you. I would've dreaded it. Fred is such an amazing character, too bad she was the one this happened to, but it did make for a impactful episode. I kept waiting for something to go right, and it never did.
Why can’t I stay?!
This whole series is darker and all characters go through dark arcs. I just realized that both females were both such great characters that they had to possessed to explore darker arcs.
I love your reactions. But when this one popped up as new my immediate thought was “oh nooooo! Poor Liam” 😭
Amazing Episode, glad you made it here though obviously losing Fred was rough. Where they go next with the story is pretty interesting, anxious for you to see how that plays out. Also very excited for you to get to the finale which was pretty epic!
Fred and Wesley were my OTP. I waited years for them to get together, and then the very next episode they kill off Fred. They don't call him Joss "The Bastard" Whedon for no reason.
Bless your heart, I wish I could give you a hug
One positive thing about Fred's fate is that she won't be forced to work for Wolfram and Hart from hell. They all sold their souls the moment they joined the firm, so if she had died in another way she would face the same fate as Lilah.
Hi Liam,
Honestly, I wasn't exactly looking forward to this reaction even weeks beforehand leading up to it. I knew it would break you the way it broke me. For over a decade this episode was at the top of the list of hour of film that completely crushed me (until I watched The Good Place finale). Ironically, I got some bad news today - the day you posted this reaction and I knew I needed a good cry. So thank you for that! Amy Acker is indeed brilliant!
Happy New Year Liam! Hope you enjoy the rest of the season, it delivers!
I remember being inconsolable after this episode aired. However, Amy's acting is... beyond amazing.
I think they found out they weren't getting renewed some time after the next episode from what we can tell from commentary and things. So this was all part of the original plan before it all changed (which they weren't anticipating; they had the second highest ratings of any show to be cancelled on the network or something)
I knew this episode was coming since Liam Duke started Angle season 5. It has made me feel some dread.
As painful as this episode is... Illyria is in my top Buffyverse characters. I adore her.
There's just no going back once you fall in love with a blue-haired girl. You're ruined.
It just sucks that we didn't end up getting the time to fully explore that character arc.
Oh my… where do I even begin? I’ll bullet-point my thoughts so they’d be easier to read:
- I can’t stop thinking about how the purest character in the Buffyverse had to have the slowest and most brutal and painful death…
- Fred is my second favorite character in the Buffyverse after Wesley, and it just broke my heart that they only got to have such little time together. It’s just not fair. I will forever be bitter about this. They’re even my favorite couple in the entirety of the Buffyverse as well…
- The Cavemen vs. Astronauts argument between Spike and Angel will forever be one of my favorite scenes in the entire show.
- A small fun fact, one of the crew members of the show came into the writers’ room and wrote “cavemen vs astronauts” on the board, and everyone started arguing about it. They eventually decided to include it in the show, which I think is so interesting lol.
- Spike’s quote “There’s a whole in the world. Feels like we ought to have known.” is perhaps my favorite quote on the show. It has such a deep meaning that always gets me introspective. I always get chills!
- Finally, and overall, your reaction is precisely how I envisioned it would be and more. This is one of my top 5 favorite episodes of the show, by the way! It only gets better and better from here on out, my friend. Buckle up, for this is only the beginning! :)
" I can’t stop thinking about how the purest character in the Buffyverse had to have the slowest and most brutal and painful death… " No, that's Tara and she died pretty instantly. Let's not forget in the previous season Fred tried to murder a man (with full premeditation, not even a "heat of the moment" excuse) as an act of revenge and would have done so had Gunn not killed him first.
As soon as I got the notification, my heart sank… ugh, I literally don’t know what I want to tell you but I have so many things to say at the same (I’ll make another comment once I’ve seen the whole thing). I’m even scared to watch this… I’m so sorry, Liam! *sending virtual hugs* 😭❤️
We are here 😔 ( me in the corner rocking back and forward)
I knew this was going to be a tough one to get through and it's difficult to watch how hard the episode hit you. For what it's worth I felt exactly like you did when I first watched this episode, but looking back after multiple rewatches of the series it begins one of my favourite storylines in the entire Buffyverse and I wouldn't change it if I could. I hope you end up feeling the same way.
I hope you find your enthusiasm again, because Amy Acker gives the best performance as Illyria. Season 5 is Amy Acker's season to shine as an actress.
Nothing but hugs for you, Liam.💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗
I've been dreading this reaction for you since you first called *Willow* a cinnamon roll.
You are going to cry and you are going to love it. Don’t stop
Been waiting for this reaction 😭😭
Same