I'll add this to the list of everyone else that knows how to do it better. LOL My machines won't take into a hard set bank like that either no matter which I use - what works for me is to put a HLA stump remover on the skid steer and break up that bank and then slip on the bucket and use it to move the loose material left behind. One of the benefits of a quick attach. I've had to move hills before and when the bucket wouldn't touch the clay under them any more this was the one way i figured out to get into that hard pack without having to rent a dozer with a ripping tooth on the arse end. Thanks again for the video!
I love watching your channel, Brock. So much variety mixed with common sense and humility. Couldn't really ask for much more than that. I will say that I miss the "small fish in a big pond" background music. You should toss that in every so often for those of us who have been watching your videos for a long time. Keep up the good work, and God bless you.
Everyone complaining about how you ise that tractor either doesn't have one or is babying theirs. Use the machine to accomplish the job wothout gross negligence is all you can do. I can't imagine what people would say about me operating mine.
Great job Brock. A bucket needs a replaceable consumable on the front edge. Lots of people dont run cutting edges or bars on their bucket. They should. Ive seen alot of people wear out there buckets by not having something on em
I think it would be a good investment because it protects the bucket from damage. In Your scenario not as much as in my scenario for sure but I think it is worth considering for sure. Great video!
If I can't load it at first...I turn around and use backhoe to loosen up the pile and then it's sooo much easier to load. Probably saves time in the long run
If you were doing a bunch of that in that hard, rocky dirt i would use the backhoe to break it up then use the bucket to move it. I know you were doing demo of the tooth bar but just a thought. Looks like it would help some.
The piranha bar might be more efficient in that you can backdrag smoother with it plus with very little effort can plow snow with it with a little tilt to the bucket.
Have you heard of a Rock Picker Bucket? It has long teeth on bottom bucket & a set of rotating long teeth on top that flips rocks into bottom & drops loose dirt out of lower bucket. Sorry can't remember who makes it.
One thing I’ve never seen is how easily a tooth at comes back off. I’ve thought about getting this one but I’d have to pull it off in the fall for plowing snow and I’d think as it get abused all summer that might get tough
I have the BExpanded bar (American made) I think it is worth the money. I use a lot of Vevor equipment and it seems to all work as expected. And they are less expensive, (China). Better than Harbor freight.
Hi Brock, I purchased a Piranha Tooth Bar a couple years ago and it made a huge difference digging in hard or rocky soil and I highly recommend it. When I watched this video, it did not appear the Vevor Tooth Bar made very much difference for you. I suspect the reason is there aren't enough teeth on it, so you still had lots of cutting edge trying to push into the hill and just a few teeth. With the Piranha Tooth Bar on the other hand, there are many more teeth and they are like a serrated edge so I don't get all that straight cutting edge catching the pile all at once. This makes me think that a really good video might be you comparing several different competing tooth bars to see what works more effectively. I've never seen such a comparison done anywhere else and I think it might be enlightening and helpful for your viewers. Keep up the good work!
Yeah, I’ve done that test with every type of tooth bar Tractor Toothbar Torture Test - Who Makes the Best Cutting Edge? ua-cam.com/video/LqCeld2d6-g/v-deo.html
I have loose sandy loam full of roots from clearing trees for a building site. Need the most affordable option for getting these roots out. What say you?
to be honest...faster to use backhoe to break up dirt and easier on machine....that and put loader down until you start lifting machine up..then raise it just a bit and with tooth bar tip bucket down just a bit..then when you get into dirt don't tip bucket up almost at top of dirt pile..just raise loader so that you are putting weight on front wheels...with front wheel assist it works better...and you had backhoe on so you had a lot more weight on rear axle then front
ran construction for 30 years running excavator,scrapper,loader ,dozer,and road grader...and i never tell someone they have to do it my way...just try it and see if it works for you...i never ran a small outfit like that...might be way different
I have a Kubota MX5100. It is not hydrostatic and has 52 horsepower. I have the piranha bar and the tractor digs better in 4 wheel drive and in 1st gear and in turtle mode. I have dug wholes big enough to engulf the tractor. I think that it depends on the tractor. I will not ever buy a new diesel tractor. I don’t want to deal with DEF. I’ll keep this one running as long as I and my mechanic can.
It looked like it did help. Just an observation, but the bucket on the tractor looks flimsy compared to a John Deere or Kabota bucket. I have a local Mahinrda dealer near me and those buckets look chinsy as well.
I know you have a TYM 574, but I've been contemplating between the TYM 474 and KIOTI CK4020SE. In your most unbiased opinion, what is your take on these 2 models?
Hey Brock, Seeing your front raise up like that on all the scoops. Do you think the backhoe is putting too much weight on the back to scoop as effectively? Or are you just pushing down as you go?
That is nothing more than tractor abuse. I wouldn't buy any equipment that you have used. Turn around, use the backhoe to break up the pile......then demo the tooth bucket.
If I just wanted to get the work done, that is how I would do it. If I want to test the tooth bucket, you have to do something that is challenging. Any bucket is going to easily scoop up loose dirt equally whether you have teeth on it not As far as abusing the machine, I only did a few scoops of dirt
Good test. Don’t let mouthy ‘your abusing equipment jerks’ distract you from your mission/purpose. IMO results demonstrated better with tooth bar. Protects bucket while providing some assistance digging.
Our dealership sold quite a few of this type of tooth bar. Customers seemed to like it and we had no complaints. I have used one on my personal tractors; first a 27HP New Holland 1720, and now a 48hp Kubota MX4800. By logic, a toothbar should be more effective than a straight edge. If we assume that the tractor has 2000 # of pushing force; then with a straight edge, that force is spread across 72 inches or about 28 lbs. of force on every inch of ground penetration engagement. If we assume that each point on a 7 shank toothbar will have about 1” of ground engagement as it begins to penetrate, then with the same overhaul pushing force of 2000#, each tooth point will be concentrating that overall pushing force down to a total of 7 inch” of penetration or 285 lbs of force as the bucket engages the soil. I typically push into the pile higher up, then curl back the bucket to break the material loose, then repeat that once or twice and then come in low and push the bucket full. I make certain to keep the front axle on the ground for 2 reasons: You will have more pushing traction if the front tires on pulling on the ground, and I seen several front axle/differential repairs in our shop due to the front axle spinning in the air and then suddenly dropped onto the ground, which it quickly stops, stressing the internal components. Regarding the tooth installation, if you notice, each tooth has a side that is flatter or pointed down more to the ground when installed. We usually always had the flat side of the tooth on the bottom. Thanks for the video, Brock! By the way, I’ve never had a backhoe, so us poor boys have to dig with what we have, in this case, a front loader. The option is a human-powered, wood-handled steel pick, swung with passion; and at 70+, I am about past that after 10 minutes or so!
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I'll add this to the list of everyone else that knows how to do it better. LOL
My machines won't take into a hard set bank like that either no matter which I use - what works for me is to put a HLA stump remover on the skid steer and break up that bank and then slip on the bucket and use it to move the loose material left behind. One of the benefits of a quick attach. I've had to move hills before and when the bucket wouldn't touch the clay under them any more this was the one way i figured out to get into that hard pack without having to rent a dozer with a ripping tooth on the arse end.
Thanks again for the video!
I love watching your channel, Brock. So much variety mixed with common sense and humility. Couldn't really ask for much more than that. I will say that I miss the "small fish in a big pond" background music. You should toss that in every so often for those of us who have been watching your videos for a long time. Keep up the good work, and God bless you.
Thanks for the support
This is why I commented on a previous video to use the backhoe to make it easier
Everyone complaining about how you ise that tractor either doesn't have one or is babying theirs. Use the machine to accomplish the job wothout gross negligence is all you can do. I can't imagine what people would say about me operating mine.
Post your own video and find out.........
Great job Brock.
A bucket needs a replaceable consumable on the front edge. Lots of people dont run cutting edges or bars on their bucket. They should. Ive seen alot of people wear out there buckets by not having something on em
Congrats on the weight loss Brock, you must feel so good. Probably from getting on and off all that machinery!
I think it would be a good investment because it protects the bucket from damage. In Your scenario not as much as in my scenario for sure but I think it is worth considering for sure. Great video!
If I can't load it at first...I turn around and use backhoe to loosen up the pile and then it's sooo much easier to load. Probably saves time in the long run
I have the same situation with a "Spoils" pile from My house build.
I plan on pulling apart with the BH then moving it.
If you were doing a bunch of that in that hard, rocky dirt i would use the backhoe to break it up then use the bucket to move it. I know you were doing demo of the tooth bar but just a thought. Looks like it would help some.
Great practical suggestion. Easier on the tractor and the operator.
i use the heavy hitch tooth bar , can take off easy and heavy teeth , works well
The piranha bar might be more efficient in that you can backdrag smoother with it plus with very little effort can plow snow with it with a little tilt to the bucket.
Great vid. Dam that pile of dirt has to be really hard packed lol. Sweeet tractor 👍🏽 i have its little sibling T25 love it
Have you heard of a Rock Picker Bucket?
It has long teeth on bottom bucket & a set of rotating long teeth on top that flips rocks into bottom & drops loose dirt out of lower bucket. Sorry can't remember who makes it.
Looks like a nice deal from vevor.
One thing I’ve never seen is how easily a tooth at comes back off. I’ve thought about getting this one but I’d have to pull it off in the fall for plowing snow and I’d think as it get abused all summer that might get tough
I have the BExpanded bar (American made) I think it is worth the money. I use a lot of Vevor equipment and it seems to all work as expected. And they are less expensive, (China).
Better than Harbor freight.
You ought to see the bucket on the backhoe I run at work. It's been welded so many times I don't think any of the original bucket is still there!
Very flexible which isn't good in protecting the bucket from getting bent. And I've never seen a tractor of that size struggle so much....
Hi Brock,
I purchased a Piranha Tooth Bar a couple years ago and it made a huge difference digging in hard or rocky soil and I highly recommend it. When I watched this video, it did not appear the Vevor Tooth Bar made very much difference for you. I suspect the reason is there aren't enough teeth on it, so you still had lots of cutting edge trying to push into the hill and just a few teeth. With the Piranha Tooth Bar on the other hand, there are many more teeth and they are like a serrated edge so I don't get all that straight cutting edge catching the pile all at once.
This makes me think that a really good video might be you comparing several different competing tooth bars to see what works more effectively. I've never seen such a comparison done anywhere else and I think it might be enlightening and helpful for your viewers.
Keep up the good work!
Yeah, I’ve done that test with every type of tooth bar
Tractor Toothbar Torture Test - Who Makes the Best Cutting Edge?
ua-cam.com/video/LqCeld2d6-g/v-deo.html
Thanks for your link to your tooth bars test. I don't know how I missed it as I try to watch all your videos. Well done.
Rocky soil is hard to dig no matter what you use. Loosen things up with the backhoe first.
I have loose sandy loam full of roots from clearing trees for a building site. Need the most affordable option for getting these roots out. What say you?
This one works well for the price. I put a link to it in the video description.
to be honest...faster to use backhoe to break up dirt and easier on machine....that and put loader down until you start lifting machine up..then raise it just a bit and with tooth bar tip bucket down just a bit..then when you get into dirt don't tip bucket up almost at top of dirt pile..just raise loader so that you are putting weight on front wheels...with front wheel assist it works better...and you had backhoe on so you had a lot more weight on rear axle then front
ran construction for 30 years running excavator,scrapper,loader ,dozer,and road grader...and i never tell someone they have to do it my way...just try it and see if it works for you...i never ran a small outfit like that...might be way different
Morning Brock 🤠🤠
I have a Kubota MX5100. It is not hydrostatic and has 52 horsepower. I have the piranha bar and the tractor digs better in 4 wheel drive and in 1st gear and in turtle mode. I have dug wholes big enough to engulf the tractor. I think that it depends on the tractor. I will not ever buy a new diesel tractor. I don’t want to deal with DEF. I’ll keep this one running as long as I and my mechanic can.
1/2'' x 6'' x 72'' straight cutting edge is $200 and allows you to back blade flat.
It looked like it did help. Just an observation, but the bucket on the tractor looks flimsy compared to a John Deere or Kabota bucket. I have a local Mahinrda dealer near me and those buckets look chinsy as well.
I can’t say for sure on the thickness of the metal, but it was a lot harder to drill a hole in this than it was my John Deere
Great video
It's good to know many options before you make a choice
Looking for a tooth bar thanks
I know you have a TYM 574, but I've been contemplating between the TYM 474 and KIOTI CK4020SE. In your most unbiased opinion, what is your take on these 2 models?
Dude he just did a whole comparison series.
How does the tooth bar affect back dragging? Better or worse ? Seems it won't be as smooth.
Have to use the back of the bucket. It doesn't work as well. I take my tooth bar off often to use the front edge for finish work.
Morning
Hey Brock, Seeing your front raise up like that on all the scoops. Do you think the backhoe is putting too much weight on the back to scoop as effectively? Or are you just pushing down as you go?
I didn't see any different but I know it's should have 😂 😂
Those R4s aren't doing you any favors!
It's 138 bucks right now.
Those R4s arent doing you any favors!
I may be wrong but I think your teeth are upside down?
There is definitely only one way they could go on
The bar had to be mounted the way it was mounted and the teeth are the same top and bottom.
Im not of fan of tooth bars. They have their purpose but for me and my kubota, once i took it off, i just never reinstalled it.
I wouldve used the backhoe to loosen up the material first instead of beating the snot out of the loader
That’s not going to cut the mustard. Use your tracked skid w/toothed bucket.
And how exactly would that satisfy the goal of testing a tooth bar on a tractor?
I get that you are testing the bar, but man, abusing that tractor is hard for me to watch.
It is just a couple scoops of dirt. I didn’t dig for hours.
That is nothing more than tractor abuse. I wouldn't buy any equipment that you have used. Turn around, use the backhoe to break up the pile......then demo the tooth bucket.
If I just wanted to get the work done, that is how I would do it. If I want to test the tooth bucket, you have to do something that is challenging.
Any bucket is going to easily scoop up loose dirt equally whether you have teeth on it not
As far as abusing the machine, I only did a few scoops of dirt
Good test. Don’t let mouthy ‘your abusing equipment jerks’ distract you from your mission/purpose. IMO results demonstrated better with tooth bar. Protects bucket while providing some assistance digging.
Our dealership sold quite a few of this type of tooth bar. Customers seemed to like it and we had no complaints. I have used one on my personal tractors; first a 27HP New Holland 1720, and now a 48hp Kubota MX4800. By logic, a toothbar should be more effective than a straight edge. If we assume that the tractor has 2000 # of pushing force; then with a straight edge, that force is spread across 72 inches or about 28 lbs. of force on every inch of ground penetration engagement. If we assume that each point on a 7 shank toothbar will have about 1” of ground engagement as it begins to penetrate, then with the same overhaul pushing force of 2000#, each tooth point will be concentrating that overall pushing force down to a total of 7 inch” of penetration or 285 lbs of force as the bucket engages the soil. I typically push into the pile higher up, then curl back the bucket to break the material loose, then repeat that once or twice and then come in low and push the bucket full. I make certain to keep the front axle on the ground for 2 reasons: You will have more pushing traction if the front tires on pulling on the ground, and I seen several front axle/differential repairs in our shop due to the front axle spinning in the air and then suddenly dropped onto the ground, which it quickly stops, stressing the internal components. Regarding the tooth installation, if you notice, each tooth has a side that is flatter or pointed down more to the ground when installed. We usually always had the flat side of the tooth on the bottom. Thanks for the video, Brock! By the way, I’ve never had a backhoe, so us poor boys have to dig with what we have, in this case, a front loader. The option is a human-powered, wood-handled steel pick, swung with passion; and at 70+, I am about past that after 10 minutes or so!