Christian Doctors Accidentally Affirm "No Resurrection Required" (Sean McDowell response)
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- Опубліковано 11 кві 2022
- Can the appearances of Jesus be explained away as hallucinations? Two leading doctors offer a medical critique. Dr. Harold Koenig is one of the world's experts in the intersection of science, theology, and spirituality. He has written 575 peer-reviewed scientific journals and 55 books. Craig Fowler, M.D., is Professor & Chair of Surgery at the Campbell University School of Osteopathic Medicine. He has received both Best Doctor in America and US Top Ophthalmology awards.
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"The apostles didn't have mental delusions." Lordy, it's a miracle! A doctor who is able to positively diagnose the mental health of an individual who has been dead for over 2000 years! Hallelujah! Praise the lard!
I’m stunned that they don’t know better than to base their argument for a resurrection on probability. It doesn’t matter how rare hallucinations are under different circumstances, there is no situation where someone coming back from the dead is more common than some people becoming deluded into thinking that is the case.
What I found amazing is that these two doctors were able to articulate and explain MMI and MMD of individuals and groups, but utterly failed to apply their critical thinking skills to biblical claims; they just 'switched off' their reason as soon as the subject turned to Christianity.
The ability of even educated people to delude themselves when they want something to be true is amazing.
Assuming someone can’t run a ministry (or anything else) because of mental health issues is just… vile. And also shows that they haven’t really gotten to know a lot of pastors.
When they said "no leaders can have mental illnesses" I just thought "Did you ever hear of cult leaders?" Since a lot of those where at least narcisisst on top of a whole lot of other mental issues!
The fact that these doctors acknowledge that hallucination is a
I always hear examples of religious hallucinations. Here is a non religious hallucination experience. I swore up and down for years that I was hit by lightning. I can still remember it vividly. Not just visually, but emotionally, the physical feel, the smell. The aftereffects like ringing ears and feet no longer in shoes. Turns out I had a seizure. Pushing myself too hard and overheating was one of the main causes.
As someone who has an interest in cults; every time these guys argue that Peter or Paul couldn’t be mentally ill because they started an obscure religious movement and people followed them, I want to laugh and ask what planet they live on.
As a medical doctor specialized in psychiatry and neurology i can assure you that there are zero recent papers, studies or whatsoever i am aware of, supporting the claim of this doctor. You could have searched for ages and would not have been able to find a single one. If you need to cite a 100 year old essay, to me it's obvious that he has nothing more to support his claims.
Jesus appeared to me in college. Nice guy, double major in philosophy and history, baked cookies for a local homeless shelter. Boyfriend was a good dude, too - heard they got married a few years ago.
It boggles my mind when people say “It’s totally unlikely that the disciples hallucinated. It’s totally ridiculous to suggest they went to their graves as tortured martyrs without recanting. It’s preposterous to think someone stole the body…” and then jump to affirming that therefore Jesus was bodily resurrected from the dead, literally one of the most impossible scenarios on offer.
Wow...that wasn't the most intellectually dishonest thing I've seen before but man it's up there.
My first wife passed away several years ago after over 30 years of marriage. A couple of years later, I had met somebody and remarried. I had several dreams where my late wife had come back, and was in denial that she had ever died -- something I repeatedly told her in those dreams. The thing is, the dreams were so incredibly vivid -- like none I've ever had in my entire life -- that they seemed real. Only my rationality kept me from believing the events of those dreams had really happened. If I had been living in the first century, with the knowledge of the time, and gone through the exact same thing, I would almost certainly be swearing on my mother's grave that it was real and she had actually come back from the dead. I would probably have gone to my own grave believing it.
Oh the cognitive dissonance...
the faster method: Hallucinations are proven to exist. Resurrections are not. Therefore: it is insanely childish to consider any resurrection story true. Thus: hallucination.
The testifying kids in "Jesus camp" are my favorite example of group-think. 🤫
Paul, This was a gift to you and all your viewers. Great fun! (I knew it anyway because I study neuroscience at Albert Einstein College of Medicine) Say hello to Shannon for me. Both of you reside somewhere in my neocortex!
Two "for the Bible tells me so". A great start to the day.
If I saw my grandfather, wrote about the experience in my journal, told my grandmother who then claimed she also saw my grandfather, then we presented this to these doctors, would they conclude we really saw him despite him being dead?