Malawi 110. Strange flasher problem - then I remembered something!
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I’ve just had this very problem, you’ve saved me hours of fiddling around, thanks.
Thanks for the info!
Great ending to the video. Should have more short anecdotes like that in future
Big fan of your channel, leaving lots, thanks for sharing.
Anyway that story about the jebovahs witness guy is brilliant
lol!
So glad I found this one just in time . Thank you once again Mike !!! just "wasted" almost a full day on getting them flashers to work proper and was ready to bang my head against a wall.
It is my understanding now that I better first connect all the lights in the circuit on both sides to get a meaningful picture of what's wrong. Will start in good spirit tomorrow.😀🙂
The side flashers become the resistors for the dash light to work
@@BritannicaRestorations THX ! got it all working now.... almost anyway . Still flying cables from a new blase fuse holder but hopefully all will work even when secured proper -)
Something so simple as a bulb throws up a whole heap of problems especially on a land rover 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧👍👍👍👍
Yeap!
Mike, I love your videos. You know. After playing with LED lights (and white bulbs) for a short while, I eventually returned to all stock. Fancy stuff dies quite fast. And I really love (and appreciate) the old school "classic" look.
As you say often "I dunno", maybe I'm getting older 🙄
I thought about the same until i saw the prices and old electricians never suggest led lights on off road vehicles. Then i change the glasses only with allestock ones for cheap. They look really original and cool now 😎
Haha brilliant little story at the end...
Not one of mine but Chubby Brown's (without the swearing!)
Hi Mike 👏 thanks again for the update 👍👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
No problem 👍
Joys of led lights that don’t have built in resistors 😂
Funny story about your visitor at the door . We always get the door slammed in our face , one day we'll give up ,great video thanks.
It was a Chubby Brown joke without the swearing!
@@BritannicaRestorations No worries I love your sense of humor, take care be safe.
good video - chalked up to many years of experience
It's the instrument cluster flasher bulb. It needs a special ground or else it will back feed. Had the same problem.
I think we will keep it this way - nice and simple and no need to fit LED side repeaters
Always amazes me the strange things that can happen when a bulb goes out ✌️🇬🇧
This is exactly the problem that's on my list of jobs to do and probably last to do. Mine already had LEDs fitted - standard coloured - and I swapped them for the clear smoke type, and replaced the bulb side indicators for LEDs. Then I noticed the exact problem you had here. Research said that it was a poor earth somewhere, so I got on with other jobs. Then I found something on Ebay. An LED bulb replacement for the dash indicator, with an earth lead. Said to fix the problem caused by a poor earth somewhere. But it didn't work. I emailed the supplier and asked for any insight. They said check the towing socket harness. I haven't done this yet. At the same time I had also replaced the hazard switch with a Carling type and moved it to the new Raptor console, and so this was another possibility. So, now I think my first course of action is to look at the side indicators. Thank you, Master. Wax on.........wax off......
Had them in the UK as well this Christmas
I inherited a similar system on my TDI. I ripped it out and went back to basics!
I do not like LEDs because of the snow - the lamps do not get warm enough to melt snow - I have LED bulbs in the headlights and have to get out and clear off snow in a storm
@@BritannicaRestorations They may seem old hat to some, but give me an old-fashioned bulb any day - after all it they are original!! Keep up the good work, Mike.
Agreed with a few others in the comments .... you can run LED's all the way around - you just need 2 things ; 1) make sure the polarity of the side-repeater bulbs is the same as the rest of the system; and 2) order the "Defender Earth Fix" bulb for the indicator on dash. My 1990 D-90 is successfully running LED's in all exterior lighting, and the indicator on the dash works properly.
I never knew that Mike. I have put LEDs in my repeaters to make them brighter but left normal incandescent front and rear and all work just fine. As for J.Ws, I try to remember that we are all on the same journey though life, and many of us take a different path until we arrive at our inevitable same end. Many thanks, Yorkshire Rob.
Interesting how the electrics work on the turn signals Mike.
As for the JW's, I used to do the same thing when they visited, sometimes spent an hour solving the problems of the world over a cuppa char, think what we might about them, they are, in the main reasonably decent people, just different. Ended up agreeing to disagree and parted cordially...
If this has been posted, sorry for repeating. Regarding installing LEDs for the indicators/signal lamps and the dash indicator and actual indicators flashing fast. The LED do not draw enough current to be sensed, standard indicators with bulbs flash fast when a bulb fails, this is part of motor vehicle safety requirements so we know we have a bulb to replace. The LED draw so little current the system thinks failed bulb.
My 89 ROW has had these issues. The first thing I look for when the flashers are acting stupid is the burned out bulb. While I don’t understand it, the burned out bulb is always the issues.
It acts like a resistor in the circuit
I had the same issue. It wasn't the repeater that was causing the issue, it was the dash telltale. a couple of diodes and a new earth for the dash bulb sorted it. You can get an LED replacement dash bulb which does the same job.
It's down to the fact the dash bulb positive and earth swap around depending on which side you select and the current backfeeds to the opposite side. not enough to light incandescent bulbs, but plenty to light LEDs. Sometimes the side repeaters being incandescent adds enough resistance to stop it. Sometimes it doesn't.
Yep keeping standard halogen bulbs on side repeaters keeps the resistance happy in the circuit on tdi's! On my wipac kit I also had to rewire my lights so the connector wires lined up proper with factory wiring (I just had to swap the pins easy job). The side repeaters and lamp inside the warning cluster must be halogens :)
Thanks for the info!
I had the same on my 110 when I changed the side repeaters for LEDs, the dash light passes the current through to the other set, standard side bulbs put back in fixed it.
I think it was the 90 2 years ago I had this issue - which is maybe why they do not include LED side flashers in the kit
Thanks for the video, I'd say any day the JW's send you something that's not on glossy paper and you can get 4 squares out of is a good day L.O.L. Last time they turned up here in MB was a day when it was about - 18 oc and i was about to head out to work in my winter gear. They knocked on the door so I stepped out closed the door and started talking. After about 10 minutes I could hear their teeth chattering but would they quit nope, I was warm and having fun seeing how long they'd stay before getting the hint.
About 10 minutes later the guy turned up that I was working on a machine for. Now Dave looks rough in the summer, but in winter gear he looks like he fell out of a cave in the mountains. He comes in the garage so these lovely people are between me and him. You could just see the look of fear on their faces and all of a sudden they had to leave. That was quite the laugh of the afternoon, this was about 6 years ago and I haven't seen them since. I think I must be on the beyond help, and don't call there list or something ! Take care
i could have told you that mike! had that same problem with my 90
Chris the nice Landy mechanic I go to at the moment just did this job with the Wipac led kit on our 300Tdi last January, the Wipac relay in the box wasn't working, he said maybe it had to "learn", so he put an old smelly one and it works perfectly.
but they would flash too fast - no?
@@BritannicaRestorations Hi Mike, it works fine.
Mike, I'm having the same problem. Changed for LEDs, and changed one side light only (left side). Now, my left indicator works fine, including the dash light. But, right indicator double flashes like yours and dash light is super dim, right side light is old. Same flasher unit in and all. Will try changing the right side light and see if that fixes it.
You can get clear side repeaters, that mean you can use a normal bulb although coloured orange, but they still look the part
That’s exactly why I kept my side repeaters in and normal bulbs
I like regular bulbs here because of the snow build up - LED are cold and do not melt snow
@@BritannicaRestorations 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Had the same issue with led side repeaters and led indicators, after some searching was in the dash i fitted a resistor on the turn signal in the dash. If your interested can let you know exactly what i did
Hi there.
My wife asked me why is it that for the last 3 years every time our land rover gets serviced it always needed a new drivers side wiper blade.
I tried to explain to her that thats the one that gets the most wear. She wouldn't have it ha ha
All the best.
James in Tiverton Devon.
lol!
i have a ledset from wipac on my 90 for years works great, only the trailerlight burns al the time.
There is a video from a guy in the U.K called "the funky farmer", and I believe he put an LED flasher unit on his 90 defender. If my memory's correct about the video, the one he fitted had an adjusting screw on it to stop that happening .The video was possibly last year or the year before if the info might help you .
There should be a little knob on top of the wipac flasher relay to adjust.
You need the LED with earth tag. That replaces the dash lamp. Original lamp causes back feed to other side
I watched this earlier & left a comment, which looks to be missing from all the comments below, it was about using 2 diodes one in each wire at dash warning light, or retro fit of the later 300Tdi warning light panel that has seperate indicator lights so the left & right a totally seperate & don't intefere by one side becoming the earth path for the side which is operating.
Lol.........Jovos never get further than the gate at our place......Hang on did he have a Land Rover?
Great video Mike as always...had the same problem last month ...electrician said change the hazard switch...and about the vacuum pump could you do a more explanatory video about the principle why it would increase the oil pressure of the engine
It does not increase oil pressure, but crankcase pressure
@@BritannicaRestorations ya the crank pressure but is there any other way to know if the cervo is faulty or not ....please please do a video on that
We have had the same hand written letter from the JW's here in France !.
You have to admire their tenacity !
Here in England too.
I have LED lights all round on mine (including side repeaters) and they work fine. However, I ran into the same problem. It only affects Defenders with a single ‘tell tale’ bulb in the dash. Those with individual left and right ‘tell tale’ bulbs on the dash not are affected. The culprit is the single bulb which is wired to use the ‘opposite’ side indicator bulbs as a ground connection. The answer is to replace the single bulb with something that has its own ground connection. I made up my own ‘bulb’ using two LED’s and current limiting resistor mounted into a standard bulb holder. But an ‘off the shelf’ solution can be had from here www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RDX-Earth-Fix-Kit-For-LED-Indicator-Lights-Land-Rover-Defender-200Tdi-300Tdi-/232280619868
I never knew that.
Mike, if it is a single warning light on the dash for the indicators it is a earth leakage issue, Boltonbits.co.uk sell a little light fitting that removes the earth form the binnacle loom, regards, phil
This is what I tried - I have exactly the same problem. It didn't work. It's still awaiting further investigation and the side indicators are the first things that I will look at.
@@michaelevans5953 Hi, my prob was sorted , but had to hunt every earth point and put an additional earth point back to the battery, not through the chassis, it took me and friends with multi meters quite some figuring out, but in the end it was an earth issue.
I got a Jehovah Witness Advent Calendar Christmas just gone. Behind each little door it just said “fcuk off”
Lol!
Defender relays illuminated dash lights directly and it works like a 3rd lamp instead of a pilot lamp on the cycle. There is a problem i don't know why and i fixed it don't know how 😅
I've gone full LED, even the side markers, with no load resistors. The Wipac relay never worked for me. I had to use the RDX relay and the RDX Led bulb in the instruments in the dash. Even with LED's in the side markers it works for me. I used the smaller diameter wipac kit. I have an 85/86 110, i think the dash wiring changed on later ones and may not need the dash LED mod. The RDX relay was the key.
For me here, I still use bulbs as the snow and Ice tends not to melt on the lenses with LED
I have LED in the headlights but a pain in a snow storm, as they pack up with snow
Tyson from import motor werx here!Grate video! However I’m running in a weird problem…. the customers defender we have in the shop has a harness from north rover he attempted install himself, now that I have it I’m having a similar problem but there’s no marker lights and I cannot for the life of me get it sorted any insight would greatly appreciated
Details please!
One question which I probably shouldn’t ask cuz it works but anyways.....why? Why does the other side come on just because one side flasher blows?
It is to do with the internal resistance of the incandescent bulb - in order for the dash light to flash, it grounds via the opposite side I believe
Having the same problem myself, my research says that the LED lights require comparatively little current. If one side doesn't have a good circuit and earths, then it only takes a little bit to find its way across to the other side and causes them to flash. That's vaguely it from memory from a few months ago.
@@michaelevans5953 Which is why a resistor fixes it. Let's face it, an incandescent bulb is just a resistor that lights up.
Exactly! And at 17p they are cheap to replace
wired via hazzard switch??????????
They all are. The switch is passive in normal mode, but can apply a permanent live to the flasher circuit for hazard mode.
Ha ha ha DEFE netly do not talk abalt Land Rovers. 😂🤔😇😉🍻
Wiring on LR's would melt yer head. Nothing is Logical. How do I know? I get to do electrics on loads of them.
haha best thing about lock down , no jdubs brain washing people lol
Nope, we get enough of that from the government....
Had any dealings with Plymouth brethren? Now they are dead behind the eyes.
"What's the difference between a Jehova's Witness and a Defender?"
"You can shut the door on a Jehova's Witness"
I'll get me coat....... 😂🇬🇧
Nice one David!
JW's are not allowed to use computers; it's murder writing to a whole town.
You must have a better class of Jehovah's witness's in canada, I got a photocopy of a handwritten letter down under.
Must be a Scottish sect...