2016 BMW F80 M3 Twin Turbo S55 Bad Engine Teardown. Bogus Rebuild?

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 2 гру 2024

КОМЕНТАРІ • 603

  • @allenl9031
    @allenl9031 11 місяців тому +190

    Theory, the original car this was in was totaled early in it's life, but engine not damaged, removed, bought by a rebuilder, that just removed bed pan to check a couple of bearing, hence the looser sets of main caps, looked good, buttoned back up, broke pan bolt, ignored it.
    So, put on heat tabs, rattle can paint spray. Sell.
    Bought as a "rebuilt" engine, then abused by the next owner.

    • @cirian75
      @cirian75 11 місяців тому +11

      sounds about right.

    • @t-yoonit
      @t-yoonit 11 місяців тому +5

      Accurate.

    • @williameverwine9404
      @williameverwine9404 11 місяців тому +1

      That's probably what happened

    • @BruceLee-xn3nn
      @BruceLee-xn3nn 11 місяців тому +5

      Sounds like you've done this before.

    • @infidel900rr
      @infidel900rr 5 місяців тому +4

      ...Next owner, had a manual trans M3, with BMW's inaccurate "rubbery" shift feel and accidently went from 6th to 3rd flying down the highway at 11pm, half drunk and listening to hip-hop while boasting to his online date about how fast his car is.
      Mystery solved.

  • @crpgap9595
    @crpgap9595 11 місяців тому +59

    If I had to guess, I'd say the rebuilders decked the warped head, added a +.3 head gasket, and called it a day.

    • @alflyover4413
      @alflyover4413 11 місяців тому +3

      That is a better fit for the pieces that came out than my guess. Somebody trying to smooth out a warped head is more likely than somebody trying to raise the compression ratio a couple of tenths for more power from a turbocharged electronic engine.

    • @crpgap9595
      @crpgap9595 11 місяців тому

      They probably checked the bottom end too but left it alone. And that top timing cassette bolt was over torqued.@@alflyover4413

  • @macthemec
    @macthemec 11 місяців тому +10

    Valvetronic isn’t an answer to a question nobody asks, it eliminates pumping losses, a question that has been worked on from the 325e to turning the throttle pedal into a torque request meter. When you think about it, a rocker shaft is old as the hills, make it cammed so it can vary the rocker lift and have the “gas pedal” for lack of a better term act on that instead of a butterfly valve controlling air flow.
    I also like the failsafe they built in where in a complete failure the engine will work like one without valvetronic and operate on the redundant valve body, smart thinking

    • @GoldenCroc
      @GoldenCroc 11 місяців тому

      Exactly, it was a question, nay demand, from many european customers.

    • @willemb8689
      @willemb8689 11 місяців тому

      Exactly! And prefect throttle response!

    • @jamesgeorge4874
      @jamesgeorge4874 10 місяців тому

      Reduces, not eliminates pumping losses.

    • @GoldenCroc
      @GoldenCroc 10 місяців тому

      @@jamesgeorge4874 He probably meant in the context of the throttle plate.

  • @samh6761
    @samh6761 11 місяців тому +46

    Great demonstration of the valve-tronic mechanism. I don't know if I'll ever work on one of these, but I learned a lot.

    • @michaelwalton3631
      @michaelwalton3631 11 місяців тому

      I've accidentally rebuilt the valvetronic from one of the very poor siblings of this engine, the n46 4cyl. Accidentally because I actually wanted to remove and refit it as a unit while doing valve stem seals, but my cable tying was sub standard... anyway, not that difficult, no special tools needed despite rumours to the contrary. What i wanted to say is, its actually a very elegant and pretty simple bit of engineering imo. Not much different from the time tested ohc besides the electric motor. Nice to see a video of the mechanism in action.

  • @kennethross786
    @kennethross786 11 місяців тому +13

    There's a lot of shady shops out there. I remember talking to a transmission repair shop manager (my tranny had just deleted 2 of its 5 gears on the interstate at 70 mph, so I drove it 300 miles to my destination on the 3 gears I had left). He told me he had taken a chance on buying a "rebuilt" engine from an auto parts store, only to discover the "rebuilt" engine had a blown head gasket - the exact same issue that the engine he was swapping out had!
    On the plus side, glad you're going to make some good money off the remnants of this engine.

  • @godmodeforever
    @godmodeforever 11 місяців тому +37

    Watching you tear down engines week after week makes me realize just how insane automotive engineers have gotten.

    • @williamshappley2106
      @williamshappley2106 11 місяців тому +6

      Especially German ones…

    • @Pozi_Drive
      @Pozi_Drive 11 місяців тому

      @@williamshappley2106 Don't rule out the nippons.

    • @GoldenCroc
      @GoldenCroc 11 місяців тому +1

      Well yeah, the poor buggers had to...

  • @tomschlachet4310
    @tomschlachet4310 11 місяців тому +84

    During a post-mortem, it's good practice to confirm mechanical timing before removing the timing components. Doing so will help you better determine the cause of any witness marks you may find. Hand turning compression may have felt and sounded OK, but I bet each one of those exhaust valves were bent just a little.

    • @julesviolin
      @julesviolin 11 місяців тому +6

      Eric often does just that . 👍

    • @KartmanPCR
      @KartmanPCR 11 місяців тому +2

      No intelligent person is going to use that head without checking EVERY exhaust valve.

  • @DefaultLoginDetaiIs
    @DefaultLoginDetaiIs 11 місяців тому +18

    Those cam trays are also valuable. They are interchangeable with the N54 and N55 engines and there was a design flaw in the N54 which meant they commonly wear out early causing low VANOS pressure. Maybe £400 for the pair.

    • @jacquesc3166
      @jacquesc3166 11 місяців тому +2

      Didn't think I'd learn something about the N54 in this comments section, but thank you...

  • @masterSe7en77
    @masterSe7en77 3 місяці тому +1

    Omg I bought this cylinder head lol, dude I hope it works well, I looked at the valves I didn't see
    any bent
    EDIT: THE HEAD WAS GREAT IT WORKED OUT PERFECT THANK YOU, YOUR PACKAGING WAS AWESOME TOO, THANKS FOR THE BIG YELLOW AND BLACK BIN :)

  • @Benton0812
    @Benton0812 11 місяців тому +4

    thank you for my mental health reset as always, watching you do a tear down is so calming

  • @joemuncie9187
    @joemuncie9187 11 місяців тому +3

    BMWs are, like their Benz cousins, very well engineered and built. Unfortunately the average BMW driver is a savage.

  • @Leenre9
    @Leenre9 11 місяців тому +18

    Valvetronic is a very good solution for the problem of the single throttle body that limits the response time of a gasoline engine. These engines can reach their rev limit in milliseconds because of the perfectly controled amount of air each cylinder gets with just controlling the amount of lift the intake valves do as it revs up. Of course, it's complicated and if there's any problem with the system or the engine gets worn out, it can't maintane the good flow and speed of intake air and has to use the throttle body itself and reverts back to a normal gasoline engine. Usually it's pretty hard to repair the engine heads of these engines without factory technology, especially the seating of the intake valves is the most critical point of this whole thing. This makes them a pretty expensive engine to maintane.

    • @jacquesc3166
      @jacquesc3166 11 місяців тому +4

      This comment should go to the top for education/awareness sake. Thank you.

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 11 місяців тому +1

      Thank you!
      I was wondering the benefit, and not having to wait for intake vacuum to "go away" makes complete sense.
      I had heard the system was designed to reduce pumping losses, but that never made sense to me, because why does it matter if the intake vacuum comes from a mostly closed valve, or a mostly closed throttle body, the cylinder will be fighting the same amount of vacuum to maintain a power level.

  • @dustcommander100
    @dustcommander100 11 місяців тому +4

    Best engine I've seen you tear down, and I really believe you deserve a lot like it. In fact, I was thinking you might rebuild it and put it in one of your project cars. I just can't relate to BMW's, but I'm amazed by your knowledge of them. If anybody can successfully navigate the pitfalls on those cars, it is you. I'd lose my shirt!

  • @jonsmith1914
    @jonsmith1914 11 місяців тому +7

    Congrats on finding a good score with this engine. I've been watching your channel for almost a year now and it keeps getting better and better.

  • @decentdan_k
    @decentdan_k 11 місяців тому +9

    Huge fan of the channel Eric! If you come across an Audi 3.0 TFSI supercharged from 2010-2016 or so I bet theres a bunch of us who'd love to see a tear down. One of Audi's more relable motors from my understanding.

    • @NickV2k9
      @NickV2k9 11 місяців тому

      I second this. Would love to see an Audi 3.0 teardown

  • @jakep519
    @jakep519 11 місяців тому +5

    Been waiting to see an S55 for a while now! Glad you were able to find one!

  • @jeffreystaley5266
    @jeffreystaley5266 7 місяців тому +1

    Wow! Seeing the inside of this engine was quite an experience. The variable valve timing mechanism was amazing. The crank was a work of art with those sculpted counterweights. All aluminum and beautifully machined. Now I know why the price hike for the M cars is so steep. This one might mess you up a bit because it makes many other engines look so pedestrian. Thanks for showing it to us.

  • @johnparker221
    @johnparker221 11 місяців тому +33

    Congrats on a profitable teardown. Now for Erics homework. Once a at the end of the a video, we get to see the vehicle of the week being tore down. Once a month, I would love to see pictures of a vehicle being tore down(sequence of pictures) and see Erics pocketbook in a happy state. As the vehicle gets parted out, we get to see the nice parts, and then finally, the poor remains in the scrap bin. It would be nice to feature the tech involved in the tear down and his triumphant meal at Mickey Ds or even a steak. Just a suggestion. It would be fun too.

    • @longrange1977
      @longrange1977 11 місяців тому +4

      So in other words, I do Scraplife Garage? I fully second this.

  • @mahcooharper9577
    @mahcooharper9577 11 місяців тому +14

    Well we all like carnage but it's nice to see you actually made some money out of this one!
    And it certainly wouldnt be the first engine to get a lick of paint and be sold as "remanufactured"...

  • @nickolaswilcox425
    @nickolaswilcox425 11 місяців тому +5

    got to see an engine with inspection ports and a piston delete in person today, helped to remove it from a solara, lack of oil, but hey, it still turns over and two of the pistons still seem okay, one had the crank bearing section of the rod shatter and get pulverized and its neighbor got a bent rod as a consequence, im hoping to get a good desk ornament from one of the two bad cylinders once the head comes off

  • @CosmicMomentumX
    @CosmicMomentumX 11 місяців тому +27

    A moment of silence for the "numbers matching timing guide".
    Thank you.

    • @encinobalboa
      @encinobalboa 11 місяців тому +1

      That it shatters like glass does not inspire confidence.

    • @jaredbawden6707
      @jaredbawden6707 11 місяців тому

      @encinobalboa try it with a cast camshaft and see what happens. Eric has done this once too. Just dropped it....

  • @Hdaledevore
    @Hdaledevore 11 місяців тому +8

    You never disappoint, great videos keep em coming

  • @johnmoore8599
    @johnmoore8599 11 місяців тому +4

    Great news! Glad it's a money maker! Thanks for the teardown and opinion on what transpired!

  • @bobcoats2708
    @bobcoats2708 11 місяців тому +1

    That was a lovely bonus inspection port someone created in the valve cover.

  • @Ponykotze
    @Ponykotze 11 місяців тому +6

    This thing is a stunner even inside, it’s engineering at its best

    • @jannehokkanen8175
      @jannehokkanen8175 11 місяців тому +2

      Nope. LS is way better engineered. Biimer looks nice inside though.

    • @bennv5909h
      @bennv5909h 11 місяців тому +1

      20+ years ahead of and ls engine

    • @GoldenCroc
      @GoldenCroc 11 місяців тому

      ​@@jannehokkanen8175Apples to oranges, comparisons impossible since eveything targeted during development except both going into 4 wheeled vehicles, were different.

    • @joe125ful
      @joe125ful 3 дні тому

      @@GoldenCroc Excuses..no matter its I6 or V8 you can build both types well.
      And LS is just better maded or even JZ/RB engines if you want drag 6 cyl here.

    • @GoldenCroc
      @GoldenCroc 3 дні тому

      @@joe125ful No its not excuses, you just dont fully know what the engines are designed for. Its not just as simple as "make vehicle move", there are hundreds of different reasons and legislations to follow and take into account during the design process.
      Nothing to be ashamed of not knowing all that much about it though, most people dont know much about global engine design targets, because you need to be pretty into car industry specifics and know a lot about different markets to do so. But thats how it is.
      So yes, its apples to oranges, for example a LS engine would be borderline unsellable for many of the market this engine targets, because of displacment and CO2 emission based road and luxury taxes etc.

  • @jbrown7403
    @jbrown7403 11 місяців тому +2

    Great video! I drive a F82 M4 with this S55 engine and I love it. Really cool to see this engine tear down! 🏁👍

  • @aland7236
    @aland7236 11 місяців тому +5

    Someone's money shift helped put Eric's kiddos through school and gave us some entertainment this evening. My old Honda Accord had a mechanical lockout for 1st when moving over a certain speed, I dont know why the same mechanism couldn't work for 2, 3, or 4.

    • @presinald
      @presinald 10 місяців тому

      Probably to get money shifters to spend more money at the dealership and to save the cost of implementing that tbh

  • @kristensorensen2219
    @kristensorensen2219 11 місяців тому +2

    That is a nice piece of engineering! Too bad the RPM limiter failed😂😅😮 & the valves got slapped! Glad you found a winner Eric, for tonights teardown!!❤

  • @stephenshort839
    @stephenshort839 11 місяців тому

    Your knowledge of the many types of motors that you have is VERY IMPRESSIVE.

  • @darylmorse
    @darylmorse 11 місяців тому +17

    As an owner of a BMW with an S55 engine, I'm glad to finally see a teardown of an S55. These engines are really impressive. From the factory, they were offered with horsepower from 405 to 493, all from the same long block, with the difference being the tune. With stock internals, they are good for well over 750 HP. Considering you are a BMW guy, you should know that one of the problems with the S55 engine is a spun timing gear, which manifests itself with valve to piston contact. Unfortunately, it's too late to find out if the valve to piston contact was caused by movement of the timing gear or because of a missed shift. (You would have had to check the timing before you took it apart.) This engine is in pretty nice condition and it should easily be rebuildable.

    • @jonb2437
      @jonb2437 10 місяців тому +1

      He said that if the timing was off only a few cylinders would have bent valves and messed up with the rockers. In this situation, valves hit pistons in all cylinders which is why he thinks it's from being over reved and not mistiming. So no it was not a spun crank hub

    • @darylmorse
      @darylmorse 10 місяців тому +2

      @@jonb2437 I know what he said. If the timing was off and the engine was still rotating, there would have been contact in all of the cylinders. It only has to make two revolutions for all of the valves to open in all of the cylinders. He didn't check the timing, so there is no way to know if the problem was caused by a money shift or a spun crank hub. In the worst cases, spun hubs are completely lose and freely rotating on the crankshaft, so the engine cannot run, but in the "best" case, the sprocket doesn't break completely loose, causing a timing problem which generates a fault code, but no contact. There are many possibilities between the best case and the worst case.

    • @Salpeteroxid
      @Salpeteroxid Місяць тому

      I just spun my crank hub. E45 stage2+ custom tune. Have had it for little over 2 years. Don't think anything made contact but I'm upgrading to the Vargas splined hub and doing the chain and a lot of other stuff. Will be buying EU5 injectors and push a bit more power, aiming for 650ish and next year some turbos to get 750whp.

    • @keine_ahnung_wie_der_heisst
      @keine_ahnung_wie_der_heisst 3 дні тому

      "only the tune", so water methanol injection in the m4 gts is just a tune?

  • @raykaufman7156
    @raykaufman7156 11 місяців тому +3

    Nice score.
    The rotating assembly was gorgeous.

  • @bennv5909h
    @bennv5909h 11 місяців тому +2

    Eventho bmw has bad history, you gotta appreciate how advanced the engineering and serviceability is in this engine, all thoes parts that could fail but everything working together to keep it in perfect shape. True motorsport inspired

    • @GoldenCroc
      @GoldenCroc 11 місяців тому

      Well it depends on what you mean by "history", it was mostly 2000-2010 era that were the real dark days, after and especially before that, they were considered some of the best engines out there in most metrics.

  • @m.kriddick2731
    @m.kriddick2731 11 місяців тому +1

    A suggestion for Christmas, can we get a heart warming story of how you and Blue met, how long you've worked together, maybe some stories from your past. As much as you and Blue work together I'm sure I'm not the only guy who wonders about how you guys met and became coworkers...

  • @ChumpyChicken2
    @ChumpyChicken2 11 місяців тому +4

    That was awesome to watch! It looks engineered for big power. Shane the turbo’s were missing.

  • @erikandreassen6531
    @erikandreassen6531 11 місяців тому +1

    A common rebuild problem, skim the top of the block then skim the head (if not flat) throw it back together with a thicker gasket. Then the gasket crushes during running and the one thing they should have done but didn't was to turn the tops of the pistons back to clearance.

  • @ghettobutter
    @ghettobutter 7 місяців тому

    so cool to see the inside of an engine i've spent so much time on the outside of thanks for taking the time great videoi!

  • @samuelbeasonjr.3308
    @samuelbeasonjr.3308 11 місяців тому +2

    It's Saturday night and I'm looking forward to this tear down and a beer.

  • @skildude
    @skildude 11 місяців тому +5

    1 minute in and I see that the Water Pump is missing. Dang, no smashed pump today

  • @Captain4life3
    @Captain4life3 11 місяців тому +2

    soon as i heard " want to hang on to these" i said in my head Happy Birthday to the ground. Love your videos.
    You show me things I would never have seen. P.S I went there

  • @jp2246
    @jp2246 11 місяців тому +1

    23:34 score! that was impressive 👏

  • @jasontroy4723
    @jasontroy4723 5 місяців тому +1

    Hey buddy you need to make up a custom oil drip tray to suit your engine stand ( wouldn't be hard and saves cleaning up crappy old oil from the floor ) . Keep up the tear downs . very educational . cheers .

  • @user-jl7hx1zz6d
    @user-jl7hx1zz6d 8 місяців тому

    Fun fact. The valve-tronic engines actually still need a throttle body. At its most basic concept, no throttle valve no vacuum. There are some really awesome videos that go in depth to disprove the myth of not needing a throttle body. Very cool video by the way.

    • @haaseuros9789
      @haaseuros9789 8 місяців тому

      Well that's why they have vacuum pumps lol

    • @user-jl7hx1zz6d
      @user-jl7hx1zz6d 8 місяців тому

      @@haaseuros9789 Not enough brother it's simply an assist.

  • @kevincurry4735
    @kevincurry4735 11 місяців тому +77

    As you read this comment have yourself a great day while watching Eric tear down this bad BMW engine.

    • @robbytheremin2443
      @robbytheremin2443 11 місяців тому +6

      Saying a bad BMW engine implies there are good BMW engines.
      *tactical eye roll

    • @kevincurry4735
      @kevincurry4735 11 місяців тому +1

      🙄😆😂🤣

    • @auntbarbara5576
      @auntbarbara5576 11 місяців тому +4

      Thats' lime saying "drug deal gone bad", there arent any good ones 😉

    • @POVwithRC
      @POVwithRC 11 місяців тому +2

      I will 😊

    • @POVwithRC
      @POVwithRC 11 місяців тому +3

      ​@@robbytheremin2443There are. Plenty. It's just they can become bad with neglect.

  • @blanketboyactual5264
    @blanketboyactual5264 11 місяців тому

    Love these tear downs so much. They’re so satisfying!

  • @SvenKleer
    @SvenKleer 11 місяців тому

    Actually at BMW garages, there is a tool to get the injectors out and at the same time measure if they are in there "too tight" cause theoretically they could be damaged after disassembly... So that doesn't look that bad actually

  • @jeffreyshepherd8488
    @jeffreyshepherd8488 11 місяців тому +2

    I love how it went from crack the cam caps, to cam the crack caps, to lets cram these off 😂 the evolution of that running gag and all of your running gags has been fantastic

  • @dehypnotizerz
    @dehypnotizerz 11 місяців тому +11

    Eric, thank you very much for your teardown videos. Thanks to them I really learned a lot about engines.
    I've small request for you: don't you happen to have an AMG A35, 4 cylinder, 306 HP engine (or a similar one) waiting in line for the teardown? I'd like to know what do you think about such a heavily stressed engine, what to avoid and if driving it gently I can rely on such an engine.
    Thank you and all the best!

    • @waverleyjournalise5757
      @waverleyjournalise5757 11 місяців тому +1

      New oil and filter every 5k, drive gently until warm, and any modern engine will see you through just fine

    • @dehypnotizerz
      @dehypnotizerz 11 місяців тому

      @@waverleyjournalise5757 Thanks, bud and sorry for the late reply. I'm very gentle on cars and I frequently check whatever I can check. No dipstick, so I found a hidden, service menu: the stealership changed my oil exactly as I told them, i.e. after 5k, twice already and the last time they added 0.3 liters more than the nominal level, but with almost 6 liters of oil in the engine I believe it's more or less okay.
      I'm still learning the thing. A week ago I was speeding on a freeway and while braking it was dragging me to the right. It was visible on the dashboard (temps were higher, particularly in the right wheel). I quickly called the technician and the car senses the crosswind, would you believe that? Upon return, it was dragging me to the left under the braking. Electronics literally everywhere, but at least it's a gas-guzzler, not a lame EV.
      But aside from the cars, I'd like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
      Thank you all for all your sympathy, it's a great channel, which apparently gathers really cool folks.
      All the best and stay safe!

  • @Blurky82
    @Blurky82 11 місяців тому +4

    I bet that oil pan gasket is going to live on that rack post forever now😆

  • @martinllanos4998
    @martinllanos4998 11 місяців тому +1

    This is a typical problem wjth s55 and the main problem is crank timing sprocket slipping from the friction disk. I would check send out the crank to machine shop to make sure the front shaft is not bent

  • @jetro7349
    @jetro7349 11 місяців тому +13

    Crank hub probably spun, if you take off the big front center bolt on the crank the front chain sprocket/hub is held in place by nothing but the torque of that front bolt... They often spin causing the engine to go out of time. DCT's are a little more prone to this when kicking down gears. There are quite a few aftermarket fixes and it's quite expensive to have them done.

    • @benmorris5046
      @benmorris5046 11 місяців тому

      Exactly what I was thinking. Not an uncommon problem on these engines at all.

    • @jaimearredondo4131
      @jaimearredondo4131 11 місяців тому

      I came here to say that - 100% that is what caused this

    • @TML34
      @TML34 11 місяців тому

      Wrong. There are friction disks in addition to the crank bolt.

    • @bigboost2641
      @bigboost2641 11 місяців тому +1

      My guess too, relatively rare to slip on standard power but a lot more common on a stage 1.

    • @CaptainSpadaro
      @CaptainSpadaro 11 місяців тому +1

      Is the crank hub that large an issue on 16-later cars?

  • @michaelmooney1474
    @michaelmooney1474 11 місяців тому +1

    Damn I love these freakin things.
    Takes alotta time young man.
    THANKS SOOOO MUCH

  • @GregOliverJr
    @GregOliverJr 11 місяців тому +5

    I love seeing the bmw and toyota engines. I found this channel by the 5vz teardown (as i have one that luckily doesn't need torn down) and been watching ever since. It would be cool to see a m54b30 (another engine i own) if you ever run. across one.

    • @Kiham80
      @Kiham80 11 місяців тому +1

      Must be a very big engine if Eric can run across it.

  • @Nadi-Ger
    @Nadi-Ger 11 місяців тому

    Wonderful! I'm (surely not the only one) always happy if it's not carnage or huge damage.

  • @ScottJ175
    @ScottJ175 11 місяців тому +2

    A whole series of Festivus miracles on this teardown.

  • @billhyde2303
    @billhyde2303 11 місяців тому

    The engine gods re smiling on you today!

  • @MacGyver-1
    @MacGyver-1 11 місяців тому +9

    The marks on the side of the cylinder walls correspond with the coolant passages that are drilled at the same angle between the cylinders. If I had to guess it's because the temperature differential in that area

  • @Skeeter69420
    @Skeeter69420 11 місяців тому

    Thanks for another great video to finish off my Saturday night.

  • @AB-nu5we
    @AB-nu5we 11 місяців тому +2

    The water pump get sold already? Congrats on such a good find.

  • @terrynagle7410
    @terrynagle7410 11 місяців тому +1

    I am happy you won this engine.

  • @AlexCapi
    @AlexCapi 10 місяців тому

    12:08 that camshaft bearing ledge is used in the N52, N53, and N54 also.

  • @exquisiteart6478
    @exquisiteart6478 11 місяців тому +1

    The God's have answered me, I was looking for an S55 engine teardown literally yesterday 😂😂😂

  • @ouch1011
    @ouch1011 11 місяців тому +2

    The *S* in a BMW engine means it is *S* ubstantially less reliable than the M or N version of the engine. That’s bad news for the notoriously unreliable N55.
    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’ve _never_ seen one of those heat tabs that was still intact. They always melt as soon as the engine is brought up to normal temperature. They are not an overheat indicator, more like a “this engine was started” indicator.
    What I’ve been told is Valvetronic is meant to improve engine efficiency by reducing pumping losses, because it takes a fair bit of energy to pull the piston down against a vacuum. The problem with that theory is that you’re still pulling the piston down against a vacuum whether the restriction is being caused by a throttle plate or an intake valve that barely opens. Another possibility is that they’re trying to improve fuel atomization by increasing air velocity past the value with a small amount of valve lift, but I wouldn’t think that would really be an issue with a direct injection engine.

    • @GoldenCroc
      @GoldenCroc 11 місяців тому +1

      N55 notoriously unreliable? I guess it all depends on the perspective you got....
      Anyway, what can be said is valvetronic seemingly really does make a big difference in efficency.

    • @dylanoppeneer2354
      @dylanoppeneer2354 11 місяців тому +1

      the n55 is very reliable if well maintained

  • @BigUriel
    @BigUriel 11 місяців тому +10

    Early version of this engine were prone to slippage of the friction ring that holds the crank hub. A small slip can cause the engine to move out of timing but not enough to visibly bend valves. Some engines survive these failures with little to no damage, the valves may be bent enough to leak and throw up misfire codes but not enough to see with the naked eye.

    • @darylmorse
      @darylmorse 11 місяців тому

      It's not just early versions of the engine. As far as I know, based on the part numbers, the design was never revised. I'm pretty sure any S55 can potentially have the problem.

    • @luker3456
      @luker3456 9 місяців тому

      This was only addressed in the s58 and can happen to any s55. Although its usually only caused by lots of power or agressive use of the kickdown function on dct cars

    • @darylmorse
      @darylmorse 9 місяців тому

      @@luker3456 There is little or nothing in common between the S55 and the S58. They are completely different designs, but you are correct that this problem doesn't happen on the S58.

    • @luker3456
      @luker3456 9 місяців тому

      @darylmorse nothing in common except for the displacment, cylinder count, number of turbos, manufacturer, bore diamiter, dual vanos, valvetronic and direct injection. Infact s58 is so different that it has 0 4mm extra stroke 🤣

    • @darylmorse
      @darylmorse 9 місяців тому

      ​@@luker3456​You are clearly clueless about these engines. Take a look at the parts diagrams of these engines. They might have a few fasteners in common, but even that is unlikely. The B58/S58 are clean sheet designs. The camshaft drives are at opposite ends of the engine FFS. The reason why there is no crank hub problem on the x58 is because there is no crank hub!! The camshaft drive is part of the crankshaft. Get a clue before you post nonsense.

  • @flyer709477
    @flyer709477 11 місяців тому

    Best part of my Saturday night!!!

  • @bretttully2771
    @bretttully2771 11 місяців тому +2

    If I had gotten a broken bolt out that easy I would’ve stopped on the way home and bought a lottery ticket. My guess on the gunk in the oil pan is soot or carbon. Had a Cummins spin a bearing because of enough of that gunk plugged the oil pickup. But if you rubbed it between your fingers it just disintegrated. Found out the turbo was leaking oil internally and probably the reason for soot buildup, but nothing ever confirmed.

  • @702Wolfi
    @702Wolfi 11 місяців тому +1

    Bearings look like owners liked giving it full beans when the engine/oil was cold.

  • @timbrown9731
    @timbrown9731 11 місяців тому

    Love to see you get your hands on an S65 Eric!

  • @burningpentagram666
    @burningpentagram666 11 місяців тому +2

    Maintenance? Dude , I live in England and that seems to be a dirty word. Here we run everything into the ground , and then a couple of miles ( 10k ) more. If it really stops working , just change oil , add some anti-seize and use the biggest bar to spin it up again. Should be good for another 30k miles.

  • @sparkyprojects
    @sparkyprojects 11 місяців тому +1

    I've owned 4 Triumph Heralds, they have light springs (you can compress them with a couple of thumbs), they were prone to Valve Bounce if revved too hard.

  • @chrissavage5966
    @chrissavage5966 11 місяців тому +2

    Many years back in the UK, there was a company that sold rebuilt engines called 'Gold Seal'. Yep, the engines came with an overall (and I mean overall) coat of gold paint. Oddly, they never seemed to last very long.....
    Rattle-can rebuilds don;t seem to last.

  • @BWADaniel
    @BWADaniel 11 місяців тому +1

    Can you please keep your eye out for a 4.7L M139 Maserati engine. I’d LOVE to see one of these get torn down. Even if you find the 4.2L, cool!

  • @DannysGarage
    @DannysGarage 11 місяців тому +2

    What most likely happened here is the crank hub slipped and messed up the timing. With the Valvetronic and Vanos systems, the intake valves survive because the engine can correct for the timing on the intake side, so the exhaust side takes the brunt of the damage. This is an extremely common problem with the S55, and I've seen stock engines with this issue. It's a design flaw from using the same timing system as the N55 and N20 where it's just a friction fit on the crank hub- while it works fine for those engines, it's not enough for the S55. The proper fix for this is to pin the crank hub so that there's no way for it to slip. A buddy of mine runs a turbo BMW performance shop here in the Phoenix area and they've done a few dozen crank hub jobs for people with the F8x M3/M4.

  • @davidstuck2866
    @davidstuck2866 11 місяців тому +1

    I know that you know this. but, it might be beneficial for you to put some parts solvent in the ports of the valves that you suspect are or may be bent (and show the results). that would give an idea to anyone who may be thinking about buying the head. if they do leak, he or she will KNOW that they will need to replace the valves. and if they do not leak, then there is at least a chance that they might be salvageable. I know that if I was looking for a head, that is something I would want to know.

  • @Chchchopstickss
    @Chchchopstickss 9 місяців тому

    Im getting a longblock for 2k this weekend
    hopefully its not bad, it was a sized intake cam. but fingers crossed. learned alot and what to look for with this video. thank you

  • @44hawk28
    @44hawk28 2 місяці тому

    The aluminum bolts should not necessarily be one-time use. The reason they have so many bolts is because the torque spec is fairly light. As for that sludge you saw on the engine it looks like somebody had run the car a little hard, I don't know why they would do that, but that can cause some scaling in the turbo system and then it draws it back out of it and deposits it in the engine. Otherwise somebody at least one time went with an extended oil change interval. I don't believe that happened, but I have noticed that there are people who actually put devices on their turbocharged engines so that when they shut it off it'll sit and idle and allow the turbochargers to cool down before it shuts the engine off.

  • @kayciecarryl3366
    @kayciecarryl3366 11 місяців тому

    Ahhh, first video of the day and first coffee of the day! A great start. 👧

  • @jonwicker3142
    @jonwicker3142 3 місяці тому

    Never forget the time I saw a bmw overheat and blow up; onecold blustery Midwestern morning i pulled into a strip mall and parked next to a running m3 of a similar vintage. There was an older gentleman inside clearly waiting for soneone inside the building. Once i stepped outside i could tell that something was wrong with the car as the fan was running (the outside temp was in the negatives) so i motioned to the guy that he might want to turn off the engine or atleast pop the hood but he blew me off so i go about my business and go inside. As soon as i get to the counter i heard a loud bang as if someone had lit off one of those firework mortars just outside. This caused alot of high-pitched screams from the ladies in the building so i rushed outside to see steam and coolant pouring out of the M3 with the old man still inside looking stunned.
    It took every fiber of my being to stop myself from laughing and shaking my head as i went back inside.

  • @smartyy86
    @smartyy86 3 місяці тому

    4yi the valvetronic solves a problem zhat does not really exist anymore. it was introduced in the time where BMW tried to maximally optimize the naturally aspirated engine (which they did with this) to remove 2 key fuel inefficiencies. one is the losses due to reduced ambient pressure in the intake manifold because of the throttle-body, and the second reason was it removes one of the key ineffiecies in the adiabatic compression stage while not at full throttle by a decent amount. all naturally aspirated engines with 6 speed are practically always operating at partial throttle, which this helped. one of the reasons the N62B48 is so well established and even produced today. For the S engines it allows to generate boost up to the intake valves, because they are the only thing limiting the airflow, so the response of the throttle is absolutely mental for a turbocharged engine.

  • @chrisbradley3224
    @chrisbradley3224 11 місяців тому +6

    The main bearings look suspiciously bad. The rod bearings, not sure if this is a problem. The N20, N55, S55, etc. use Glyco G-488 and G-888 rod bearing materials that are supposed to wear-in initially and get progressively harder over time. My understanding is that the wear you see may be early wear and not progress much unlike the S65/S85 engines where the engines just chew through rod bearings. There are vanishingly few S55 rod bearing failures so far. The main bearings, however, are Kolbenschmidt and I am not sure if that material has a similar feature. Perhaps the oil filter housing gasket was allowing coolant to leak into the oil on this engine?

    • @cmulhall
      @cmulhall 11 місяців тому +1

      Had my rod bearings changed a couple months back and they were in pretty rough shape, S55 btw.
      My N55 rod bearings were also pretty bad.

    • @chrisbradley3224
      @chrisbradley3224 11 місяців тому +1

      @@cmulhall The question really is if that initial layer wearing is a problem or not. There's almost zero S55s that have spun bearings that I've seen on the forums over 7 years. The N55s that spin bearings usually do it secondary to OFHG replacement without priming or oil starvation. I'm not saying they are perfect, but maybe the visual is not an indicator of impending doom.

    • @robbsharp9014
      @robbsharp9014 11 місяців тому +1

      @@chrisbradley3224 It's probably more down to the engine being a streetable race engine and even those have coatings that wear in and harden but they can only do so much. Bearings aren't a normal wear item for basic economy cars but cars like this, they need it. It just comes down to how much they are used and abused and the bearing quality. For this case, it had most likely softer bearings being a sport engine and because most high performance engines do and was just beaten up

    • @chrisbradley3224
      @chrisbradley3224 11 місяців тому

      @@cmulhall How many miles did you have?

    • @cmulhall
      @cmulhall 11 місяців тому +1

      @@chrisbradley3224 90k km. Unfortunately i cant attached photos. Mine were worn with a score in one of them from unknown source. Got the car with 80k km on what i assume was the bmw 0w30 every 15k km oil change interval.

  • @bilphil74
    @bilphil74 11 місяців тому +1

    Still would like to see a 1.8 from a 2016 Chevy Sonic, and a 2.4 SRT4 that came in the 2003 Chrysler PT Cruiser GT with the aluminum intake

  • @colchronic
    @colchronic 11 місяців тому +4

    So I have a theory. Maybe the engine was overheated it was rebuilt but just had the deck and the head resurfaced but they took too much off and that's why there's a thicker head gasket but that wasn't enough and the valve still hit the piston

  • @marcgirard7551
    @marcgirard7551 11 місяців тому +3

    Why, oh why does BMW keep insisting on using the plastic valve cover that does not last?!

  • @drewholland8002
    @drewholland8002 11 місяців тому +6

    I’d love to see a Mitsubishi 4G63

  • @IllusionInfusion
    @IllusionInfusion 11 місяців тому +3

    Nice sound from cramming them crack caps loose.

  • @johnwhite2663
    @johnwhite2663 11 місяців тому

    Nice to see you win one. Congrats!

  • @JackS425
    @JackS425 11 місяців тому +1

    I think that the timing was off. You can hear the exhaust valves opening too early and release compression when you first turned the engine over.

  • @invertedv12powerhouse77
    @invertedv12powerhouse77 11 місяців тому

    I kinda wanna buy blown engines now for cheap just to take them apart for fun, and rebuild them if worth it.
    I want to add a tip as well, but giving a few taps with a mallet or brass punch on the heads of aluminium bolts can help prevent having one shear off. Especially when they are siezed bolts that take lots of heat stress. The next thing is instead of using the electric impact, i break the torque slightly on each bolt. If one is harder than the others on an aluminium bolt especially, I will tap it some more and break the torque very slowly and in smooth motions. Hard snappy motions shear aluminium bolts all the time when they are siezed. Penetration fluid for bolts as well helps a ton.

  • @CaptainSpadaro
    @CaptainSpadaro 11 місяців тому +1

    Looks like there were consistent oil changes done. That's rare for a BMW.

    • @robertslegers257
      @robertslegers257 11 місяців тому

      Gets the award for cleanest engine on this channel.🏆

  • @marathoner43
    @marathoner43 11 місяців тому

    Another great video. Thanks for my Saturday night entertainment.

  • @Bowhunters6go8xz6x
    @Bowhunters6go8xz6x 11 місяців тому +1

    I believe the owner did the smart thing and pulled the car over and shut it down when it got hot instead of just keep driving like some people will do! No varnish, sludge, etc shows the owner got his oil and filter changes. The turbochargers being missing very likely indicates they were still good and put onto the replacement engine.

    • @jacquesc3166
      @jacquesc3166 11 місяців тому

      ...or this engine was spray-painted to hide the fact that it came from a stolen car. Either or.

  • @TheNationalTrails
    @TheNationalTrails 11 місяців тому

    "Big Block" for Importa! Nice to see.

  • @compu85
    @compu85 11 місяців тому

    Hmm, neat design that you can replace the chain guides from the top.

  • @komtgoed8330
    @komtgoed8330 11 місяців тому

    Possible that the crank hub spinned. They do sometimes suffer with this problem. Love the channel!! All the best from holland!

    • @jonb2437
      @jonb2437 10 місяців тому

      Although that can happen with this motor, when he took it a part the timing wasn't off. Spun crank hub immediately throws off the timing.

  • @DFletcher413
    @DFletcher413 11 місяців тому

    I'm not sure if those are alusil blocks, but if they are, that's why the cylinders look a little different than normal.

  • @shaun9067
    @shaun9067 11 місяців тому +1

    Best engine this year for parts

  • @DOCTOR_KIA
    @DOCTOR_KIA 11 місяців тому +3

    here it is!

  • @smc4229
    @smc4229 11 місяців тому

    Spiking the chain guides is up there with the water pump toss when it comes to gags

  • @giovanni4304
    @giovanni4304 11 місяців тому +1

    I'm happy my M4 still has 4 years of warranty left, screw trying to make repairs on that mess.

  • @dawlessbeats6223
    @dawlessbeats6223 11 місяців тому

    S55 has well known weak point which is Cran Hub and Im speculating with those valve marks on pistons that this engine spun the crank hub and ended up timing failure

  • @JeffSchohn
    @JeffSchohn 11 місяців тому

    Love the Snack Pack on the shelf in the back round. 😂😂😂