Let's see; a race whose languages, political systems, currency, culture, fashion, technology are used by pretty much all of the world. And then there's a race who just discovered the wheel and dey waz kingz n shiet
For a mobility limited class (like priest) in PVE, Goblin is really second best to dwarf/NElf (depending on content you're playing). Goblin jump is a nice gap closer and is only on a 1.5 min cd. Goblin should be S tier for sure for mobility limited classes. :) Great list though, completely agree with everything else.
Honestly something underrated that was not mentioned about Blood Elf racial was the resources it gives also. I think it’s useless for Mana classes (3% mana is really nothing) but some classes get really big benefits. For example I ran Belf Ret Paladin in Mythic raid and there were a lot of times I could eke out an extra holy power during their natural downtime since Paladins get 1 holy power from arcane torrent. Same with my WW monk, getting a chi when you’re low or out of resources is pretty nice for delaying downtime. And, if you’re a DH or DK you just get 15 of your resource. It’s certainly not broken but it has come in use more often than I can count
I think your pick for zandalari troll is wrong, IMO. Everyone sleeps on the loa gonk. Free movement speed will always be good for pvp. plus a 100% heal for those rare occasions...
@@Dahkeus3 Draenei heal is better Zandalari in that regard. It got stronger in TWW too, because most hp percentage based heals got nerfed due to increased health pools.
@@nikolaculina3583 What? No, lol. The Draenei heal is only a 20% heal on a 3 min cd. Zandalari is a 100% heal on that same cd. The only advantage the draenei heal has is that it's castable on other players...which is still useless.
If you had to pick between Human or Orc for Arms Warrior, which would you use? Torn between choices, and deliberating on what server, and faction, to play on. A lot of consequential decisions to make as a new player.
Worgen to solid, their racials are actually quite good. Passive 1% nature/shadow resist will be useful in the first raid and a +1% crit chance combined with an on-use 40% movement speed compliments certain classes nicely.
I've been out for a while now, but planning on coming back in. I always played Prot warrior. I used to play Highmountain Tauren after the orginal Tauren got nerved like hell, but I remember that Belfs were always S-tier in high lvl Mythic+ due to their Arcane Torrent. Now I am planning on coming back, but still contemplating on which race I should go to. Dwarves are kinda OP now, so tempting to go with that. But other then that, which one is the best to pick for PvE (Mythic+/Raids)?
hey it totally depends on what class you play for whats meta but iirc warriors tend to go dwarfs for the crit damage increase + hardiness etc. (for pve)
@@thewytv9857 Thanks for the reply. I was researching aswell and I found this aswell. Really tempting for dwarf. However secundary stats on Human can also be beneficial. And Nelf for their haste or crit buff. Bad side is it's RNG which time of the day you play and also what you play. So dwarf is still my favorite here. I do hope it's the best, because I am trying to run for high keys this time again.
PvP tier list for the War Within? More specifically wondering how Havoc, Survival, and Arms hold up - having a hard time deciding what to pick as a new player
I would consider re-doing the list in 11.0.7 after the racial revamp. I think Zandalari was already fairly strong with the 4% crit and full heal and now it has more variety. The regen channeling through DoT ticks is pretty good.
@@thewytv9857 this makes me a lot curious. How come there was a Haronir icon present. The Earthen was the one you placed on top and the last one left is the Haronir. Can you please recheck and tell how you get to see that race icon?
Yeah goblin lowkey slept on and lowkey probably my favorite race (although I don’t play) but that fuckin jump and that bag of tricks ain’t no joke lol bag of tricks is almost always a gcd waste but when it’s not it feels so good (when enemy has just a sliver and you chuck a bomb or heal right before being hit and outheal just barely) The jump is just insanely good and a relatively short cooldown. Every hunter loves disengage and this is basically a second one- if rbg focused and race wasn’t dependent on class I’d pick goblin
Excellent video and list. Just one correction. Z Troll racial is tailor made for Ret. I am a Z Troll Ret, 2.4k RBG xp and 3k Rio. There have been several situations like heavy mid node RBG fight where I have gone from 1% to full health with Bubble and Z Troll rejuvenation racial. Only on a couple of instances one of the enemy healers in high end games knew that they need to purg to break the combo cast. For M+ this racial is just insane at higher keys. I will just put ZT on the S tier for the same, although this is only for once class/spec.
Vulpera got literally one of the best tank passives in the game. Always in the top of meters for large pulls Works even better in pvp vs monks, warlocks and dks When played on shadow priest was always #1 or #2 on healing sometimes being higher than embrace
I don't really think orc is that good anymore. Yea they still do have blood fury which is nice but hardiness unless they reverted it is only a 10% reduction in pvp combat with the mass cc nerfs they did prior means that it really doesn't remove much time on a stun. Like in best case scenario a 5 second stun is instead a 4.5 second stun and a small stun like a war stomp goes from 2 sec to 1.8 sec stun. still solid but I don't think it belongs as a s tier
@@nightknight7748 have to keep in mind a shorter stun means that less globals are actually going into the stun so the damage in a stun window is lowered significantly that’s why even if it’s still a .5 second difference it’s big especially when fighting rogues
I'm returning to the game and im a total altoholic. I'm really struggling to pick a paladin race. I guess it's between human or lightforged but the struggle is real 😅
The fact that Shadowmeld STILL hasn't been changed just boggles my mind. It's the single best racial ability for PvP, for any class, and any spec because of it's sheer utility if used right. If you play a class that can be Nelf and you have any ambitions of doing well in PvP you're just missing out by not having it when everyone else does. You're just worse off.
Not as cracked as you think. It’s not 2% flat. It’s 2% of the number modifiers. So if it’s 1000 haste, it’s 1020. 10,000 it’s 10,200. If you plug the scaling in it’s actually quite little, compared to the races that get flat 1% of something.
@@andreanthony8451 I tested it on beta words, same everything. Class, talents, gems, enchants. I compared a human to several 1% races, the humans usually had more of 2 other secondary stats. Ex: gnome arcane mage in my testing had 14% CS, 15% Haste, 12% Mastery, 24% Vers, Human arcane mage with same setup was 15% CS, 14% Haste, 13% Mastery, 25% Vers. Both iLvl 613 pvp gear with all gems and enchants. I also think humans scale better into late expansion with the absurd stats.
Finally a race tier list I won’t be judged for watching
😂😂😂😂😂 lol
Let's see; a race whose languages, political systems, currency, culture, fashion, technology are used by pretty much all of the world.
And then there's a race who just discovered the wheel and dey waz kingz n shiet
Based on
F them if they judge you
Lmaoooo
If you aren't picking ur race for ur mog then ur playing the game wrong
agreed
that's what I'm saying lol I'm try see what looks best and what race is know for rogues
For a mobility limited class (like priest) in PVE, Goblin is really second best to dwarf/NElf (depending on content you're playing). Goblin jump is a nice gap closer and is only on a 1.5 min cd. Goblin should be S tier for sure for mobility limited classes. :) Great list though, completely agree with everything else.
Made an undead priest in shadowlands… boy did I wish I made a goblin.
This is crazy. Just before I saw this vid I was hoping to find a race tier list.
For what it’s worth, goblin is great for classes without burst movement. Priest, DK, Warlock come to mind.
The rocket boost comes in clutch.
Honestly something underrated that was not mentioned about Blood Elf racial was the resources it gives also. I think it’s useless for Mana classes (3% mana is really nothing) but some classes get really big benefits. For example I ran Belf Ret Paladin in Mythic raid and there were a lot of times I could eke out an extra holy power during their natural downtime since Paladins get 1 holy power from arcane torrent. Same with my WW monk, getting a chi when you’re low or out of resources is pretty nice for delaying downtime. And, if you’re a DH or DK you just get 15 of your resource. It’s certainly not broken but it has come in use more often than I can count
absolutely , gives u a somewhat viable off meta pick if you dont like fotm races!
I think your pick for zandalari troll is wrong, IMO. Everyone sleeps on the loa gonk. Free movement speed will always be good for pvp. plus a 100% heal for those rare occasions...
It's also a big quality of life pick if you play a class that doesn't have much self heal since you get a 100% heal on a 3 min cd.
@@Dahkeus3 Draenei heal is better Zandalari in that regard. It got stronger in TWW too, because most hp percentage based heals got nerfed due to increased health pools.
@@nikolaculina3583 What? No, lol. The Draenei heal is only a 20% heal on a 3 min cd. Zandalari is a 100% heal on that same cd. The only advantage the draenei heal has is that it's castable on other players...which is still useless.
@@nikolaculina3583 Sorry, correction. The zandalari heal is a 2.5 min cd, not a 3 min...so it's a better self heal on a shorter cd too.
Zandalari heal will now be 3 min but channels through DoT ticks which is massive
Where would you rank Earthens?
If you could hover on any class as evoker it would hands down be the best race to play for any and all content
If you had to pick between Human or Orc for Arms Warrior, which would you use? Torn between choices, and deliberating on what server, and faction, to play on. A lot of consequential decisions to make as a new player.
If I played a warrior I would go orc/gnome over human (unless you like the look of human the most)
@@thewytv9857 Yeah I think I'm going Orc. I can't bring myself to go Gnome brother.
Worgen to solid, their racials are actually quite good. Passive 1% nature/shadow resist will be useful in the first raid and a +1% crit chance combined with an on-use 40% movement speed compliments certain classes nicely.
I used worgens for their fast gathering skills.
Whats the 2nd/3rd best race for ww monk?
for pvp = orc > human=nightelf for pve dwarf/nightelf
Orc also get pet dmg right ? Very good for unholy and hunters
Probably troll for the haste cooldown.
I've been out for a while now, but planning on coming back in. I always played Prot warrior.
I used to play Highmountain Tauren after the orginal Tauren got nerved like hell, but I remember that Belfs were always S-tier in high lvl Mythic+ due to their Arcane Torrent.
Now I am planning on coming back, but still contemplating on which race I should go to. Dwarves are kinda OP now, so tempting to go with that.
But other then that, which one is the best to pick for PvE (Mythic+/Raids)?
hey it totally depends on what class you play for whats meta but iirc warriors tend to go dwarfs for the crit damage increase + hardiness etc. (for pve)
@@thewytv9857 Thanks for the reply. I was researching aswell and I found this aswell. Really tempting for dwarf.
However secundary stats on Human can also be beneficial. And Nelf for their haste or crit buff. Bad side is it's RNG which time of the day you play and also what you play. So dwarf is still my favorite here. I do hope it's the best, because I am trying to run for high keys this time again.
@@RazorNLD have fun bro , dont feel inclined to pick meta if you dont enjoy that race all are viable even up to r1 m+
PvP tier list for the War Within? More specifically wondering how Havoc, Survival, and Arms hold up - having a hard time deciding what to pick as a new player
Does this mean we can expect a tier list relatively soon?
I would consider re-doing the list in 11.0.7 after the racial revamp. I think Zandalari was already fairly strong with the 4% crit and full heal and now it has more variety.
The regen channeling through DoT ticks is pretty good.
What about underlying stats?
Troll shaman is actually such a good combo now, berserking paired with ascension and shamanism, 55% haste lol it's pretty fun for meatball slinging
What tank would benefit most from the 10% armour increase? Dk, prot warrior or pala?
Yes.
warrior and pala because they use shields so more armour thus a bigger 10%
IMO they should make all the racial cosmetic/proffesion oriented and get done with that slight imbalance for horde/alliance due to racials
Gnome secret s tier for healers as its one of the only things that can get them out of entangle root solar beam combo
can you make this again with upcoming changes :D it's a great video
Came back to ask, the race that got left out seems to be the new Haronir in TWW. Is this confirmed?
Im not sure to be honest! I thought it was just Earthern.
@@thewytv9857 this makes me a lot curious. How come there was a Haronir icon present. The Earthen was the one you placed on top and the last one left is the Haronir. Can you please recheck and tell how you get to see that race icon?
Goblin cosmetic LOL, the jump is great for pvp, especially in bgs and with blitz becoming ranked
gobbies are cosmetic
Yeah goblin lowkey slept on and lowkey probably my favorite race (although I don’t play) but that fuckin jump and that bag of tricks ain’t no joke lol bag of tricks is almost always a gcd waste but when it’s not it feels so good (when enemy has just a sliver and you chuck a bomb or heal right before being hit and outheal just barely)
The jump is just insanely good and a relatively short cooldown. Every hunter loves disengage and this is basically a second one- if rbg focused and race wasn’t dependent on class I’d pick goblin
What's better for hunter human or orc for MM and BM next expa?
Of those choices Orc for BM, MM doesn't matter
If you put dwarf in S tier for the crit why not Taurn? THey have the same crit bonus don't they?
Stoneform
Earthen do need gems from JC, and its only a 1% buff to the secondary stat. They cannot eat any other food, but can use water.
Excellent video and list. Just one correction. Z Troll racial is tailor made for Ret. I am a Z Troll Ret, 2.4k RBG xp and 3k Rio. There have been several situations like heavy mid node RBG fight where I have gone from 1% to full health with Bubble and Z Troll rejuvenation racial. Only on a couple of instances one of the enemy healers in high end games knew that they need to purg to break the combo cast. For M+ this racial is just insane at higher keys. I will just put ZT on the S tier for the same, although this is only for once class/spec.
But their FEET are ugly , cannot wear most good looking boots :(
Vulpera got literally one of the best tank passives in the game.
Always in the top of meters for large pulls
Works even better in pvp vs monks, warlocks and dks
When played on shadow priest was always #1 or #2 on healing sometimes being higher than embrace
I don't really think orc is that good anymore. Yea they still do have blood fury which is nice but hardiness unless they reverted it is only a 10% reduction in pvp combat with the mass cc nerfs they did prior means that it really doesn't remove much time on a stun. Like in best case scenario a 5 second stun is instead a 4.5 second stun and a small stun like a war stomp goes from 2 sec to 1.8 sec stun. still solid but I don't think it belongs as a s tier
@@nightknight7748 have to keep in mind a shorter stun means that less globals are actually going into the stun so the damage in a stun window is lowered significantly that’s why even if it’s still a .5 second difference it’s big especially when fighting rogues
Awesome video, Question, What headset are you using ?
@@Krusad3r. hd600
I've always loved Pamdaren with the bouncy racial it's sick
Thewy #1 ww in our hearts
Thank for the guide
11.0.7 race changes. mag'har is gonna be very very interesting
Yep, as is Zandalari. Will be interesting having a variety of actually viable passives.
I'm returning to the game and im a total altoholic. I'm really struggling to pick a paladin race. I guess it's between human or lightforged but the struggle is real 😅
The fact that Shadowmeld STILL hasn't been changed just boggles my mind. It's the single best racial ability for PvP, for any class, and any spec because of it's sheer utility if used right. If you play a class that can be Nelf and you have any ambitions of doing well in PvP you're just missing out by not having it when everyone else does. You're just worse off.
YOSH my favorite race is at S tier for monk WOOT Female trolls for the WIN!
Does anyone else think humans having a 2% bonus to secondary stats is cracked S tier?
Not as cracked as you think. It’s not 2% flat. It’s 2% of the number modifiers. So if it’s 1000 haste, it’s 1020. 10,000 it’s 10,200. If you plug the scaling in it’s actually quite little, compared to the races that get flat 1% of something.
@@andreanthony8451 I tested it on beta words, same everything. Class, talents, gems, enchants. I compared a human to several 1% races, the humans usually had more of 2 other secondary stats. Ex: gnome arcane mage in my testing had 14% CS, 15% Haste, 12% Mastery, 24% Vers, Human arcane mage with same setup was 15% CS, 14% Haste, 13% Mastery, 25% Vers. Both iLvl 613 pvp gear with all gems and enchants. I also think humans scale better into late expansion with the absurd stats.
thanks King thewy!
hm why all the good ones ally...
isnt human racial getting removed in tww?
nah, only the reputation one
Hawk Thewy on me.
Hawk thewy on me is crazy
Better
hahaha you caught the upload mess up
HOLY SHIT JUST SWAPPED ORC TY
You WILL eat ze crystals!
Blood elf. Always blood elf.
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Hawk thewy vibes
spit on that thang
Worgen as cosmetic? Extra movement can be extremely powerful in battlegrounds, even in pve for classes that don't have much base movement.
Regular dworf DOES NOT give you crit %, it gives 2 % to crit damage. Worgens have 1% crit.
@@kostyantynkarimov6530 thanks for the correction , you are right.
Which race will be best for protection warrior ?
Def any dwarf