why sin(x)≈x, (i.e. the famous small-angle approximation)

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  • This is perhaps the most famous linearization of a function. Yes, the small-angle approximation for sin(x). This is a very popular approximation in physics and engineering so you should definitely know how we get this result!
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  • @bprpcalculusbasics
    @bprpcalculusbasics  2 роки тому +13

    Related videos:
    This is how to get the exact value for sin(pi/18) ua-cam.com/video/_00oskWLtII/v-deo.html
    How small is "small" when we use the small-angle approximation? ua-cam.com/video/ppN7pVQaFhY/v-deo.html

  • @sicko5821
    @sicko5821 2 роки тому +195

    The fundamental theorem of engineering! :D

    • @jamescollier3
      @jamescollier3 2 роки тому +5

      I thought that "assume it's round" was the main physics assumption

    • @ausaramun
      @ausaramun 2 роки тому +16

      Ah yes. π = 3 and e = 3 and π^2 = g = 10.

    • @sicko5821
      @sicko5821 2 роки тому

      @@ausaramun yes, it's facts

    • @monika.alt197
      @monika.alt197 2 роки тому +11

      Wrong. The fundamental theorem of engineering is "sin(x)=x" not "sin(x)≈x"

    • @sicko5821
      @sicko5821 2 роки тому +8

      @@monika.alt197 well in engineering =≈=
      So yeah

  • @PrivatePug
    @PrivatePug 2 роки тому +63

    I feel like this video is gonna just have 70% of the comments being about the fundamental theorem of engineering.

  • @Ou_dembele
    @Ou_dembele 2 роки тому +13

    This feels like a crime in math but physics says it's legal and satisfying 😂

  • @zhelyo_physics
    @zhelyo_physics 2 роки тому +14

    Excellent video, thanks! This is great and used in physics all the time.

  • @WerewolfLord
    @WerewolfLord 2 роки тому +16

    This also works for tan(x)*, because tan(x) is just sin(x)/cos(x), and at 0, cos(x)=1 and 1/cos²(x)=1. Or just at 0, d/dx sin(x) = d/dx tan(x) = d/dx x = 1. So, it works.*
    *For SMALL values of x (even smaller than for sin(x)). Like, say, x=1 arcsecond.😝

  • @ElementaryLord
    @ElementaryLord 2 роки тому +17

    Ah, the fundamental theorem of engineering!

  • @OriginalSuschi
    @OriginalSuschi 2 роки тому +3

    Since we know that sin(x) is approximately equal to x and that it gets more and more accurate for smaller angles x:
    sin(x)~=x
    -> sin(pi/x)~=pi/x
    sin(pi/x)*x~=x
    So when we take the limit for x approaching infinity, we get that sin(pi/x)*x=pi

  • @johncalculusmathsclass5998
    @johncalculusmathsclass5998 2 роки тому +4

    Pretty cool. Please,is it possible to evaluate sinx using 'Weierstrass Substitution?

  • @matteocilla9482
    @matteocilla9482 2 роки тому +2

    can you do the same for tan α ≈ α and cos α ≈ 1 ? thank you

  • @sirroberttablesiv9459
    @sirroberttablesiv9459 2 роки тому

    Adding the second term of the Taylor series makes it even more accurate, an even more accurate estimate (albeit more complicated, perhaps too complex for an engineer) is x- (1/6)x^3

  • @thiagovieira9377
    @thiagovieira9377 2 роки тому

    or with taylor series :
    sin(x) = x-x^3/3!+x^5/5! - x^7/7!+ ... , with small x, i can expand taylor series with 1 term because with small angles O(x^3) is so small (u can expand more ... or use a calculator aproximation ... )
    sin(x) ≈ x
    Bonus :
    cos(x) = 1-x^2/2! + x^4/4! -x^6/6! + ... , with small x, we (physicist) usually expand for 2 terms (...this is what my classical mech professor said) , cos(x) ≈ 1-x^2/2! (for small x)

  • @kunjukunjunil1481
    @kunjukunjunil1481 2 роки тому +1

    3:50 I thought π in this case is in radian ie 180°

  • @oofmaroomph4913
    @oofmaroomph4913 2 роки тому

    hmm what about this : at what value of x does sin(x) ≈/≈ x anymore

  • @manla8397
    @manla8397 2 роки тому +3

    The biggest problem of this proof is that you need to differentiate sine function first. But to find the derivative of sine function, you need lim x->0 (sinx/x )= 1. from the first principle.
    Therefore I do not agree with your argument.
    Edit: I changed back to 1. My mistake.

    • @bprpcalculusbasics
      @bprpcalculusbasics  2 роки тому +9

      ????

    • @jamescollier3
      @jamescollier3 2 роки тому +1

      he did at 1:36, so QED

    • @ZipplyZane
      @ZipplyZane 2 роки тому +1

      @@bprpcalculusbasics It makes sense to me. The derivative of sin x requires that (sin x)/x = 1 as x approaches 0. This means that sin x ~ x for small enough x.
      So it seems like the linearization of sin x at x=0 is required to determine the derivative of sin x in the first place.

    • @bprpcalculusbasics
      @bprpcalculusbasics  2 роки тому +1

      @@ZipplyZane u can do a geometric proof for that limit.

    • @elias69420
      @elias69420 2 роки тому +1

      "lim x->0 (sinx/x )= 0" is nonsense. It's equal to 1

  • @fizixx
    @fizixx 2 роки тому +3

    I thought this approximation was because 'x' is the first-order in the sin(x) expansion in the infinite series?
    Second question....if cos(x) is approximated would it be just 1, or would it be (1- q²) / 2! ?
    For this, I thought the approximationwould need the first q value, as opposed to just taking the approx as just 1. Thoughts?

    • @General12th
      @General12th 2 роки тому +1

      cos(x) = 1 is the best _constant_ (and also the best linear) small-angle approximation for cosine. cos(x) = 1 - x^2 / 2 is the best _quadratic_ (and also the best cubic) small-angle approximation. How many terms you need to represent the approximation is up to you.

    • @baqerghezi1342
      @baqerghezi1342 2 роки тому +1

      The linear approximation (linearization) takes the first two values in the function's expansion which is equivalent to what has done in the video, the quadratic approximation takes the first three terms. Since the cosine function has constant two first terms then the approximation will be as quadratic approximation.

  • @yuriikovalov84
    @yuriikovalov84 2 роки тому +1

    I think you can actually approximate it like that until x = 30°

  • @nadva304
    @nadva304 2 роки тому +4

    Going to have an important calc 1 test soon, does anybody have useful tips?

    • @kepler4192
      @kepler4192 2 роки тому +1

      natural logarithmic and exponential functions are really important for calc 1, I advise you to focus on those

    • @nadva304
      @nadva304 2 роки тому

      @@kepler4192 Ok, thanks

    • @kepler4192
      @kepler4192 2 роки тому

      @@nadva304 np

    • @FrogworfKnight
      @FrogworfKnight 2 роки тому +1

      @@kepler4192 ....I thought those were the first week in calc 2. Granted everyone's calc classes will likely vary.

    • @kepler4192
      @kepler4192 2 роки тому

      @@FrogworfKnight I’m in highschool and I learnt those last semester

  • @hydropage2855
    @hydropage2855 2 роки тому +2

    Hello!

  • @saveerjain6833
    @saveerjain6833 2 роки тому

    taylor series!

  • @haaansolo8568
    @haaansolo8568 2 роки тому

    Yeah this is great, sin x = x, sinh x = x, cos x = 1, e^x = 1!!:D

  • @gouravdey8227
    @gouravdey8227 2 роки тому +3

    How to find the integral of x³tan²(x²) ?

    • @siddharthamondal4346
      @siddharthamondal4346 2 роки тому +3

      x^2 = u
      xdx = du/2
      so ur integral becomes
      u.tan^2(u)/2
      Apply by parts now
      u.integral(tan^2u) - integral(tan^2u) [differentiation of u is 1]
      now u can use tan^2u = sec^2u-1
      and integral(sec^2u) = tan(u)

    • @prakharjain21
      @prakharjain21 2 роки тому

      Wolphramalpha

  • @sigmathzone
    @sigmathzone Рік тому

    Please include an english subs next time, Im begging youuu I'm dying to learn thisss

  • @icecream4556
    @icecream4556 2 роки тому +1

    ok

  • @nimmira
    @nimmira 2 роки тому +1

    oops! He exposed us! 🤭

  • @PrivatePug
    @PrivatePug 2 роки тому +2

    Are all calculus teachers magicians of math?

    • @SimsHacks
      @SimsHacks 2 роки тому

      Magicians of calculation. Not really of math, rigorous proofs and all that stuff.

    • @dqrksun
      @dqrksun 2 роки тому

      Mathematicians are

  • @lenny1641
    @lenny1641 2 роки тому +2

    hi

  • @Bruh-bk6yo
    @Bruh-bk6yo 2 роки тому

    x=0
    sinx=0=x
    *E Z*

  • @jrthhfdff
    @jrthhfdff 6 місяців тому

    Lmao even by engineering standards this doesnt make sense.... x stays at least two orders of magnitude larger than sinx of x at 10^-80. This approximation should only be used if youre adding or subtracting sinx for small x's. This should never be used for division or multiplication youll get orders of magnitude of error. For example 10+ 10 sinx can be 10 + 10x for small x , but 10/sinx is is never 10/x for any small x

  • @user-fl4ik6tj2i
    @user-fl4ik6tj2i 2 роки тому

    試著用sintheta= y/r去解釋