Thatcher’s downfall: How the Iron Lady descended into ‘corruption’
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- Опубліковано 9 лис 2023
- “She became too big, even for her prime ministerial boots. And she trod on people instead of being respectful to people.”
10 years on from Margaret thatcher’s death, her biographer - and nearly son-in-law - Jonathan Aitken chats to Matt Chorley about her legacy and why she’s still such a dominant figure in the Conservative Party.
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“got in trouble for being a troublemaker…” That’s one way of putting it certainly. Charged, found guilty, convicted and imprisoned for lying, being another.
I’m not a Thatcher fan but her downfall was waking up to what the common market was really about
What, no mention of Thatchers guru Sir Keith Joseph.
Fascinating Conversation and Perspective, I knew Mr Aitken from the Drama about how scrupulous figures in the Intel agencies undermined and spied on Prime Minister Harold Wilson The Final Days of Harold Wilson, a shame politicians now that may not agree cant stand up for one other against unfair attacks I think it would be great to see Aitken interview Trump
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Thanks for the moment of honesty
Aitken says he knew Nixon and Nixon was not interested in what the press said about him. Presumably Aitken knew him before Nixon wrote his list of enemies
Nixon was a pretty insecure guy. Like he banned the chefs from ever making soup. Because one time he flicked his spoon and got covered in it. Was paranoid he'd do it again
He was born 61 years after his great-uncle, Beaverbrook. I wonder if he takes after him in character, manner or mind at all.
Shame he talks about England when Thatcher represented the UK or GB
It's a common enough slip, and one to be regretted. We should do something to raise consciousness on this issue.
She did NOT represent us Scots. She HATED us,just as every subsequent Tory government have. So well done on offending every Scottish voter.
Aitkens biography of Thatcher is a good book
But not a patch on Hugo Youngs
She was betrayed, like all great men
Aitkin in a dog collar. God works in mysterious ways.
The Iron Lady spent all her days in The USA shame on her
I'm no fan of hers, but I have to admit that the way she was deposed from office was brutal. To win a leadership election, but not by a big enough margin to avoid a second round, weird
Best PM since Churchill by far. Head and shoulders above all that followed!😊
The only man in British politics since Churchill
Call her what you like but she was not corrupt. She was a principled politician who actually respected those who strongly argued against her. Her politics was divisive but I cannot accept she was in any way corrupt.
Of course she was corrupt, you can't get up to that point of power without either being corrupt, becoming corrupt, or allowing corrupt people to run around.
Principles can even cause corruption, and that's what happened to Thatcher.
Rotten to the core, overseeing the grand theft of public assets that was privatisation. They looked after her for it, making her baroness and funding a life at the ritz as she gradually rotted away. She came to life briefly in support of her good friend Pinochet the fascist dictator and that was it ..on into obscurity.
Morally corrupt ....yes.
I see it as:
Thatcher supports Bilderberg policy on the common market - unexpectedly becomes PM.
Thatcher rejects Bilderberg (WEF) policy on the EU/Climate change - unexpectedly get's removed.
Was climate change a big thing 30 years ago? I think not.
I agree. I wonder what made her deviate from the script she had followed up until that point 🤔
Jesus H. Christ. The mindset of a conspiracy crank in just two sentences. Two things happened around the same time THEREFORE IT'S A CONSPIRACY.
You could try thinking like a sane person but I see no reason for optimism on that account.
One more thing: there was nothing "unexpected" about either event.
@@seansmith445 She probably wanted to do the right thing for Britain - that won't be allowed.
@@LordOfLight Well Mr Illuminati I beg to differ.
She was a Bilderberg alumni and
very far from an obvious choice for Conservative leader.
She was removed for no reason whatsoever as far as I can see.
So I assume it was actually her stance on those Globalist projects that was the real cause.
The world is a better place not having her and Denis in it any more that is for sure.
She was a dreadful nightmare (with some redemption) He was a a person who lied to us all. I am very pleased to see the honesty he speaks now (and the care and redemption he wishes to give others) . Thatcher I can never forgive , the ideal that “every one can own there own home “ is magnificent but the total failure to keep a good stock of social homes was and still is criminal . the Heavy industry we once relied on is gone (and I note as I write two more blast furness are to close) . we have a shocking disregard on the principal that preparing for war deters war. And finally the statement , Madam you have ordered the Steak what about the vegetable's” … They will have the same as me! I watched it all in horror
Thatcher was awful.
My Dad died in March 1979.
I was 11 years old, as a 56 year old woman now?
Thatcher being Prime Minister would have killed him: she was the beginning of the end.
An awful woman who has made the Conservative Party more akin to 1930's Germany than even Thatcher might flinch
Germany in the 1930's adopted national socialism. Thatcher adopted free market capitalism. In what way were they similar?
"....she wanted to make Britain significant and important again". If only she could see what 13 years of Tory ineptitude have done.
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Whatever they say about Margaret Thatcher, Meryl Streep's astonishing performance of her showed us the world she lived in the minute we saw her walk into a boardroom filled with only men in dark suits, somber ties, and fixed faux smiles. As a man, I could not believe how supporting her husband Dennis was while she was in power. She found a friend in President Ronald Regan and only history will tell us how they did. They both worked together to create what they thought would be a better world for all of us. We only have to look to Russia to see that President Putin is trying to do the same for his country and we don't need history to tell us how he will be recorded. Across the pacific, President Xi of the middle kingdom is the voice of 1.2 billion people and what his legacy will be only the stars will be witness to. We have President Biden of the USA who is looking as an absolute superstar internationally with his eternal support for Ukraine and yet polls show him faring below average because the pandemic caused a tsunami in the economic system that all of us are dealing with the best we can. You have got Sunak at 10 Downing Street trying his best to get the UK into the superpower status it well deserves to be counted as; Modi in India with 1.4 billion people to feed and knowing that next year 'wet bulb' temperatures and climate are going to be his greatest concern. To recap: Margaret Thatcher shows us all one of my favorite quotes by her: "You must have the courage of your convictions." She sifted through her notes and listened to her trusted advisors and believed in herself more than any woman had done for before. Margaret Thatcher made us see that she really was the ‘Iron Lady’ by her words and her actions and that a woman is as good as a man in anything there is out there where great minds are required. The result of all of our leaders past and present is a world that we all acknowledge is in need of a lot of gifted thinkers and doers. They are here and we all must have hope in our young people, because they will never let the human community down. The best is yet to come...
Hahahaha hmmmm. You know you watched a film right????? Hahahaha
You’re witnessing the neoliberalism Thatcher and Reagan introduced. Slowly removing power from your representatives and handing it to the capitalists. And now that both countries are in decline,the right have adopt far right rhetoric. You know. The right wing populism we’ve had to endure since the sub prime mortgage criminality. “Blame immigration”.
Thatcher was a weak fool. She believed what she wanted to believed and rationalised it. It's common enough human behaviour but we prefer someone made of sterner stuff when it comes to Prime Ministers.
Great movie review. What's your favourite popcorn flavour?
India’s huge population, relentlessly increasing all the time should be Mr. Modi’s biggest concern. It does not matter if he could fix the climate ( he can’t) without action on population growth and aiming to reduce the population. The population was already dangerously high at the time of independence nearly 80 years ago and it has QUADRUPLED since then.
It is disappointing to see the Times platforming the dishonest conflation of true greatness and honesty with "inflated ego" and "corruption". We were incredibly fortunate to have had her, and it is tragic that back stabbers like Heseltine deprived us of having her a few years more.
Never worry. Her protege carried on her work. Tory Blair
She was a vile character.
It is incongruous for a man of the cloth to defend Thatcher in any way.
Men of the cloth used to burn people in public for believing the "wrong" things about Jesus- not for spreading these beliefs, just believing those who did that. Own a Bible in your own language? On the fire you go. Don't believe in the new national religion? Ditto.
Men of the cloth were more recently r@ping altarboys and choirboys. I wouldn't always put too much stock in them.
Well this guy is a first class hypocrite and POS so it fits
I'm amused when those, such as Jonathan Aitken, of questionable character (to put it mildly), limited cognitive ability, and even more limited achievement, consider it appropriate to criticise Margaret Thatcher. I suggest that he restrict his "insights" to Sunday church.
The guy just wrote a glowing tribute to Kissinger, let’s not pretend he speaks any kind of truth to power
Is that Jonathan Aitken…. ? A priest??!! Seriously
It is he !!!
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She was an awful heartless women 💔 😢 😢. Shame on her. She sold everything off. Helped the rich and destroyed the unions. Go away. Leave the people be.