I think they consider that favorable, rather than ignoring them and constantly hyping up AMD and losing out on people thinking about them when they need a cpu
@@weberman173 it’s cuz on wan show Linus talked to the viewers about how asking for an employee to get a raise is totally unreasonable and that’s not how a business works. Which in all fairness, it absolutely is.
I remember overclocking my dual core CPU from 1.5GHz to 2.5GHz, which drastically improved performance. Miss those days. Correction: i remember the correct freq. now, base was 2.5GHz and OC to 3.2GHz without voltage changes. Spiderman web of shadows and Crysis used to stutter, but not anymore after the OC.
Core 2 Duo E2140, base 1.6GHz, clocked to 2.92GHz. For some reason I remember the exact clocks. Those were the days! I recall a Pentium D as well, 805? Overclocked it to 3.5Ghz, think the base was 2.6 or something.
@@HaasTheFirst Those chips seemed to all be winners. I went from a 7700k @5.1 all core, to a 9900k @5.1 all core. Now my 12900k is screaming BUILD MEEE! when I'm just waiting to see what PSU evolvement will come to with the new 4000 series cards.
Over years of AMD CPU overclocking I have literally never considered pushing BCLK past 102/103% if I have a single PCIe device I care about connected to the system. While it's usually storage media to worry about I've seen all kinds of PCIe controllers on devices crap the bed with adventurous BCLK values.
Feels like they left out a section or something, as that’s the reason for the addition of the external clock generator: The devices with sensitive timing are driven off of it instead of the CPU BCLK, bypassing that instability. EDIT: Apparently in recent generations they’ve reverted the change where they coupled these!
@@jameslake7775 No. The external clock generator is enabling you to change BCLKs on Non-K LOCKED Intel chip's. Without that, you can't do ANY overclocking on Non-K SKUs. Go back to 3:00 to 3:35 where he clarifies this point.
I use to run a Xeon x3480 (comparable to a first gen i7 880) at a bclk of 200! Used a 1070 with it for a year and a half gaming pretty heavily. That 1070 is still going strong 4 years later.
It's important to note that the Renesas chip CAN cost that much. This is because the chip is a PCIe gen 5 controller which are actually fairly expensive on their own but adding the chip also means you'll be adding gen 5 lanes as well (which they do). Meeting the additional signaling requirements adds more cost to the board as well meaning anything with this chip (or gen 5 in general) will be more expensive. This is why the Max happens to be one of the most expensive B660 boards, pretty comparable to entry-level Z690 boards. With their new lab, I would like to see testing on non-K CPUs to test the longevity and viability of overclocking those units. Intel is "supposed" to be binning those units because of instability from overclocking the silicon and it would be interesting to see the variance in potential clock speeds relative to required voltages for non-K CPUs and if Intel's judgements on their quality is justified. I would also not be surprised if Intel were to take steps to void warranties on overclocked non-K CPUs as they've theoretically priced the products relative to an expected life span of the silicon which is compromised when operating outside of the original set parameters.
@@olioxx Yes, that's expensive for motherboard components, $10 is 5% of the final product's retail price and it's just one part out of hundreds. Furthermore, you also need a redesign of the PCB, additional components to support the IC, an SMT mounted PCIe slot and higher quality substrate and material to support gen 5 signal standards. The original product (non max) carried an MSRP of $180 at launch, a year later and all this extra stuff you'll likely be seeing them around $210 which makes sense.
Except Asrock B660M PG Riptide also has it, and is relative cheap in Asia, closer to the $120 mark. this Mortar Max will also be closer to that value, when it launches in US/EU = at around $150/150 eur mark, probably more like 135/140.
@@Dogzilla07 The Asrock B660M PG Riptide uses an IDT6V4 external clock gen with no gen5 pcie support, it's a completely different chip and setup. Pricing in Asia isn't indicative of US/EU pricing due to transit, duty, and other costs. It also doesn't make sense for MSI to release the Mortar Max at a lower MSRP than the base Mortar.
My favorite overclock back in the day was the Celeron 300a. All you had to do was overclock the FSB from 66 to 100 and it would run at 450Mhz.. 50% faster!
it just shows that companies are becoming more greedy these days look at nvidia they just became really stupid and greedy hopefully thisll hurt them in the long term sadly blind fanboys dont give a shit
Well, the low value CPU is usually the exact same chip as the high end one. It just failed one or two (or 100) quality control tests and was downbinned. If it had only a faulty core, then you should still be able to get original clock speed by overclocking.
My last Intel CPU was actually a Pentium G3258 20th anniversary edition that was specifically unlocked and at a cheap price point in honour of the 20th anniversary. I had great fun overclocking that chip. By the time I was ready to upgrade the Ryzen 2600 was looking pretty good and I've been on AM4 since upgrading as I've gone
Also, budget gaming rigs are basically never limited by CPU. You are basically just burning expensive electricity (occationally) and lower stability of the system.
@@Alias_Anybody depends on what games you play. my main game is heavily influenced by cpu. all you need to get 140fps+ is a mid tier gpu like a 3060 but the best x3d cpu
This is a very common and normal way to overclock older CPUs, especially on platforms like X58. My current system does it with a Xeon x5670, also 6 cores. Running decent ram speed, as well as solid overclock of the North & South Bridges.
Forgot to mention though, both motherboards I have for it, have a SOLID cap at 166mhz for the X5670 Edit: (and I've tried just about everything I possibly can to get it to finish booting to Windows, from slowing literally everything else down to chucking a crapload of power at everything). Interestingly, I can get the BCK to about 220 for an i7-something. Pretty fun when I was playing around with it
Ahhh miss my x58 platform. I used to cheat and used turbo boost on with a slight bclk overclock since I only had a x5650 so the multiplier non turbo was only like 20?? Man was that thing horribly unstable 😂. Honestly I think it was more picky about the ram than anything
I loved overclocking X58. When the platform wasn't that new anymore, i bought some old 2,4 ghz 4 Core Xeons for 10$ each. 2 of them hit 4ghz. My best overclock ever. I kinda regret selling the EVGA board which ran up to 227mhz Bclk.
I remember overclocking my AMD thunderbird by using the pencil trick (which was a PITA to get it stable). I don't know, I don't mind paying extra to make overclocking easier. Also when you buy the K series at least you know it's binned to hit high speeds, the same can't be said of the lower end chips. And like Linus said bumping up the base clock is probably not for the faint at heart, and remember the vendor might not have tested that frequency at all.
As the video says, overclocking like the old days (20-25 years ago) like with what you could get with the original Celerons, Bartons, and early P4 chips is pretty much dead. I overclocked everything up until a few years ago when I abandoned it due to stability issues that always crept in after some amount of time, even on a "rock solid" mild overclock. The chips are already doing it from the factory by boosting to higher clocks when needed, and I found I much preferred a truly stable system to one that might be a couple percent faster. Besides, CPUs have much longer legs these days, and they're less critical to good performance than they were back then.
Intel underclocks their processors so they can sell us overclocking room to play with, in one of my systems i have a 3770 runs full speed boost doesn't even get near 60c
@@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx Well the 3770k is a 77w TDP chip, while the current gen equvalent 12700k is 190w while boosting. The chip may have a little more in it, but they're so power hungry these days that it's a challenge to dissipate all that heat even with a big cooler. The 300A I alluded to in my original post could frequently go from 300 to 450mhz (a 50% overclock!) on stock voltage and the stock cooler with what I think was a 40 or 60mm fan. But that also only drew 17.8w, or less than 10% of what current gen stuff does! Wow, what a difference 23 years makes.
@@mdbbox5660 Yeah these days things i feel are changing we're truly getting near the limits of semiconductors normal systems have 8 core cpu's that run near 5ghz 😂but also consume >200w when overclocked insane stuff
Once upon a time I had Core 2 Quad Q6600. It was an overclockers' dream. Being a 2400Mhz CPU by default, I ran it @3400Mhz 24/7. Back then Intel was like: "Dude, here's our CPU. Have fun!" Now they are like: "Don't you dare touch anything unless you paid for it. And don't forget to buy an overpriced MB on our overpriced special overclocking chipset or it's stock clocks for you, b*tch!" lol Idk, but overclocking is not fun, when you have to pay extra for it, simple as that.
That is exactly what I did with my very first PC with an i3 550 and Intel branded board. It sucks that Intel has locked down their base clock on newer systems.
@@ian54589 I had an i7 920 up until last week when I finally caved and got myself an i9 12900k, 32gb DDR5 RAM, 2*samsung evo Pro 2TB SSDs, a 3080ti, and a 165hz/1440p 27 inch monitor. I went from an 11(?) year old processor to the top shelf product - sure, it cost a whole handful of cash... But it's like I was struggling to walk before and now I can fly. I loved my i7 920, it kept me gaming for my entire adult life. Now I can play all the games I had to miss out on. It just cost me about $4,200.
I remember doing this way back on my old skylake 6400. There was a backdoor in the code or something and if you had a z170 mobo (which is why i got one) you could install a modded bios and oc like this. Managed to get a 2.7ghz chip running at 4.3 ghz!
Honestly, undervolting feels like the game. I like seeing how much performance I can gain or how much I can push on the best voltage. Most times the lower voltages cause higher clocks just because they can boost higher from less heat. My GPU and my CPU both have pretty big performance boosts and it's saving power.
I think undervolt/powerlimit is the future with the premium pricing on these chips, if the 13900k can do what's advertised and perform similar multi-performance as 12900k, but at around 65w. Modern gpus are gonna get more HOT and I don't want to bother air cooling both that AND a hot CPU, up on the top floor of the house in the summer seasons.
ECO mode type stuff with air cooling is what I imagine my first PC build will be since I'd rather not mess with water and the higher end features I want isn't about having it at maximum power.
The last real fun overclocks I’ve done were the Ryzen 1700 CPU and Fury GPU. The Ryzen 1700 had a lot of headroom cause it was just and underclocked 1800x. The Fury GPU had some headroom, but could be undervolted massively. After that both CPUs and GPUs got that automatic boost clock behavior, which means they run pretty close to spec already.
I remember overclocking my old i7 920, i was able to sqeeze out 70% more performance when the gtx 1060 was new. I really miss that cpu since it was so fun just goofing around with it.
I had one of those, and an i5 2500k. Both of them could handle an overclock with gusto. I got my i5 to 4.98GHz stable and the i7 was *almost* stable at double its factory speed (I forget the actual number). Both of them still work today after being overclocked daily for nearly a decade. They're built like tanks - I recently upgraded and put the i5 into the PC I'm building for my girlfriend to play various sim games (not *the* sims - simulation games like rimworld etc). Sure, it'll splutter and falter when things start getting super complicated but it'll outperform anything that most laptops can manage, and compare favorably to relatively recent (3-4ish year old) mid-range processors in single core tasks like many games are.
@@Cortanakya I wish i still have my old i7 920, but i gave it away for a kid that was getting his first pc, and didn’t have a big budget, so i know it’s in good hands at least haha. The 2000 seriers from Intel was also some tanks, you could hit those cpu’s big time without them struggeling.
I ran an i7-930 for years (and still use it as a video server but with a more modest overclock). But before it got replaced my AMD 3950x rig the I7 930 was running @ over 4ghz which was over 200 on the FSB got to love none synchronous clocks
I love that Linus has been able to build his reputation that companies like Intel are actually paying attention to him. I know it’s undoubtedly a lot of pressure to best represent the community’s interests, but I appreciate that LMG has been doing so and pressuring companies to change.
Ah yes, Artificial Limitations, also known as "One of the reasons why I buy your competitor's products." It's like they think the only competition their products have is from their other products.
I mean, it was for about a decade. Just one more reason why competition is good for consumers. What I REALLY wish is that there was any sort of realistic 3rd option for average consumers. A duopoly is not really much better than a monopoly.
Sure, BCLK overclocking is fun but don't be overstating the truth. 100% of 6600k's would achieve a 4.5Ghz overclock per Silicon Lottery. A 6600k that would do only 4.7Ghz was a poor overclocker & could be achieved in 70% of CPUs per Silicon Lottery. Mine was very exceptional and would do 5.1Ghz.
If they could even do what they did on the i7-3820, which was allowing overclocking to a certain point (I.E., partially unlocked) than that would at least be more reasonable.
I think it's great that it can be done - especially some years down the line for the used market! Still.. I don't know if it's me becoming old or what but all the hustle to save maybe like $50? Not worth it, if I unterstood this right.
Budget overclocking is a very teenager thing to do, yeah. When you have time and energy but not money. I got up to some crazy builds when I was 16, I had a 400mm side panel fan in my case because why the hell not it's 2007, just to try and improve the cooling a little and keep my video card under 120°C. It crashed at 125. These days I just buy good components and run them stock. Zero worries. Maybe 200 bucks more for the whole system which is nothing, but adequate cooling and good components are worth it to me now. When I was 16, 200 bucks might be my entire budget for the yearly computer upgrade! Of course I will tinker with it for two weeks until it has the performance I want at the price I can afford!!
Great vid Linus, good to see you getting back to your roots of overclocking the small chips. Personally running the 12100f in the ASUS b660g motherboard, bclk at a stable 5.12ghz all core. Its a beast of a chip for the money.
Reminds me of my H97m ITX board from Asrock, it has an early beta bios with a certain microcode that wasn't patched, right before launch, it allowed for K series OC and BC OC like we see here, The once legendary G5258 can hit almost 5Ghz without vrm cooling..shows how good haswell was and still is on the budget end, good ol BCLK overclocking! The way we all used to do it and wish was more common but with various pci-e devices becoming upset, not so much a thing now that north bridges and whatnot are gone. really helped to push pci-e clocks on multi GPU setups in the early days of PCI-e..
I miss the good old days of overclocking also. I had the first gen i7 920 Do won the lotto with it. Base clock of 2.66 ran it at 4.4 for some mad bench runs setlled in at 4.2 totally stable, 24hr stress tested... Ran it for years never dropping the clocks bk down, then my son did for years after me when i upgraded. It's still running today. Although one of the triple channel memory lanes died on the board.
Reminds me of my old Core i5 760. That's where it really got started for me, running that thing at a 20x multiplier but a 200 MHz base clock. Now that I think back on it, I suppose that also means I was running my memory at DDR3 2666.
MSI had this on a locked intel CPU long ago. Maybe it was 6th gen, but this was possible and I don’t recall a special chip or maybe it was there and wasn’t talked about. Regardless, it was fun, flaky and 3rd party software couldn’t read the clocks but benchmarks obviously did. I miss stuff like this!
With Ryzen 5000, the Curve Optimizer and pushing your PBO is the way to go. I was able to get about ~12% extra performance out of my 5950X without much in terms of increased heat or power draw. The undervolting from the Curve Optimizer combined with the elevated PBO values were about a net zero change in thermals and power draw, but got me that extra performance. And if I was using better cooling, I could have pushed the PBO settings even further.
I bought my NH-D15 back in 2014, after getting tired of AIO coolers breaking. I've used it ever since, am super pleased with it, and am never going back to water cooling.
I miss the days of base clock adjustments. I understand that everything is using it and it had to die, but I loved the extra challenges of trying to determine the best ram frequency you could get to match your cpu's limits.
Aaahhh back are the Intel days when I turned the FSB (front side bus) of my 150 dollar Celeron 300a up from 66mhz to 100mhz and have it run at 450mhz like the 660 dollar Pentium II 450mhz. An 50% increase in perfomance😎
Ahh Skylake did this too, I could run my i5-6400 on an MSI mobo at 4.6GHz all core, up nearly 50% from the stock 3.1GHz all core clock speed! However the PCIe clock was separate from the BCLK on that architecture
So, another important downside to this is the old microcode. On the plus side, it lets you overclock, yay! On the down side, you're missing bug fixes, stability improvements and most importantly, SECURITY FIXES. A lot of the fixes for various bugs - all the new 2022-eidition Spectre/Meltdown variants - are in microcode. As such, which this is fun for enthusiasts, it's even less viable as a daily driver.
This. You'll likely lose the feature once BIOS updates come since it's not officially supported by Intel. And Windows may not boot with the old microcode unless you delete a certain file.
Back in the 1990/2000s we did quite a bit of overclocking the base clock. Sometimes the lower chips like P3 333mhz were actually capable of running 500mhz solid, while another unit of the same model would crash at 366mhz. Luck of the draw from the manufacturing plant; they were all based on the same design, get tested, then add a limiter based on the test. There were other differences in the series though, and the really good ones with higher L2 & L3 didn't come in a lower clock speed.
To put into context of how good that cinebench run is, my 3800xt liquid cooled with a 360mm AIO gets 12000 points compared to the almost 16000 of the i5 even though the i5 has less cores
i managed 7.5k with my 3300x which has exactly half cores with a bit of undervolting and giving enough cooling from its original 6.5k so i believe your 3800xt has hidden potential still.
@@Solly_March_Goat 3600CL16. I tuned up my brother’s R5 3600 PC and got a 10K cinebench score on that, that had 3200MHz memory that runs at 3600 at stock voltage. I’d probably turn it up and give it a go
Need to see a video where you test the silicone lottery with mid tier CPUs and see how likely/unlikely it is you get a chip that can pull off a good, stable OC like you see in this video
For me this kind of moves (like Intel which removes the possibility of overclocking) should be illegal, if I buy a product I should be able to modify it as I want.
@@RyTrapp0 intentionally limiting the capabilities of your product to sell the more expensive ones should be illegal as it essentially intentionally generates e-waste
@@RyTrapp0 I don't think that everything I don't like should be illegal, but for me, doing something proactive to restrict customers' freedom to do what they want with the product they bought should be illegal. You probably have a dislike of the laws because you prefer freedom and I understand that, but in this case it is about making a law that protects the freedom of consumers.
@@RyTrapp0 in this case it isn't a matter of preference, if you don't want to modify your product you can leave it as it is, if you want you can modify it, it is a win win for the costumers.
I come from a time when base clock (or front side bus back then) oveclocking was the only way. Interesting to see that it can be a thing again. My Athlon II X2 240 (2.8ghz stock) ran on 3.1xxghz for a decade. Good old times :D
Miss the days of the Intel Q6600! Could over clock them from 2.4 to 4ghz with DDR2 memory at 1600mhz and the FSB 1600mhz (from the 1066) 1:1 with the memory and were the cheapest chip of the Q range!
back in the day my first i7 was i7 2600k on P8V77V-PRO ready for overclock. I remember I bought the NH-D15 to "extreme" overclock the i7. from base 3.4Ghz to 5.2Ghz with 1.42V. Huge peformance!
I gave a friend my old Pentium G3258 system with Asus Strix 750 ti. But it is still going strong as an entertainment system while he games on his new system.
Man, what sucks is it sounds like a modded bios would make the safer over clock possible, but considering updating to the newest official bios can brick your MOBO I doubt anyone wants to try and mod it
Oh boy this take me back. My first PC I built was X58. BCLK up around 140-150 doing your best not to explode your ram. wondering why nothing was ever stable again afterward. Good times. Taking the i7 920 from 2.66 all the way up to 4.0-4.4 ghz was nuts at the time.
This was a thing back in 6x00 era. Some mobo manufacturers mistakenly released BIOSs that enabled the same type of overclocking. I OC'ed my i5 6500 to pretty high clock and used it for years only to replace it with an amd 5600x years later :)
@@defencebangladesh4068 It was a z170 gigabyte motherboard and I remember OC'ing to 5.5 GHz. I couldn't find the webpages to the motherboard-bios list (there was a list like that somewhere).
When I was running a pentium G3258 I had it overclocked to 4.8ghz stable on the stock cooler, 5.0 in the winter. That thing absolutely ripped for 80CAD on anything that didn't need more than 2 cores
The Mortar Max is available for preorder in the UK. The Strix B660-F also has a clockgen chip and is widely available; it requires DDR5, but good DDR5 is becoming cheaper.
running an i3-2100 with 12GB DDR3 1333 MHz in South Africa in 2022. The interwebs seem to work OK most of the time. This morning my main HDD failed and I spent 12 hours between the other HDD's on Linux Mint updating stuff and other W10 installs. Come 7pm and my geriatric PC decides it will come to life again to where I needed it to be. Hey Linus - cool contributions!
Maybe I'm a little dumb here but using older microcode could cause some issues, yeah? Overclocking at the risk of security potentially, idk if that's the best choice. Previously you just risk stability.
I love how there's old test results of a 1.87Ghz Barton core Athlon XP in the first 20 seconds of the video...that was my second CPU (After an old Cyrix I kept for far too long) and the first one I ever overclocked.
Wasn't the multiplier always locked for a long time now? I got into PC building in the CORE 2 days when the Q6600 was the golden budget chip. The CPU Multiplier was locked at 9X but people were able to overclock by increasing the FSB. The QX chips had the unlocked multiplier and was way easier to overclock.
Strange... I never over clocked my PC and always bought intel since around 1995. I would purchase mid to high mid hardware and typically would upgrade every 5 years. In recent years the upgrades are slower as it appears that gaming tech has slowed. So the last full upgrade was about 2012 or maybe a little sooner. GPU upgrade was more recent, 2019, and still mid to mid high at the time. I'll probably do a CPU and motherboard upgrade in the near future. I never really had an issue with Intel. It was actually more stable than AMD. First time trying AMD around the early 2000s and my pc would just crash. Instantly went back to intel and there were zero issues.
My first overclocking experience was BCLK overclocking my Intel Pentium HT 3,2 GHz, a single core, hyperthreading CPU. A powerhouse back in its days. (It was high-end, because it had hyperthreading!) 3,76 GHz was the most I could manage with the stock cooler and 8 year old thermal paste. I still have the CPU, my first one, though the computer is long gone.
I find it amusing that Intel's PR department still seems to view Linus rather positively considering how often he spites them lol
Because they have almost always had superior products in the past. So no matter Linus' editorials, he made Intel CPUs look good by default.
I think they consider that favorable, rather than ignoring them and constantly hyping up AMD and losing out on people thinking about them when they need a cpu
Because he still promotes all of their stuff. These complaints mean nothing when he’s still giving them his time and money.
The alternative would be far worse for them.
We'll know if they got mad at him for this if he doesn't get invited back to the factory for another tour :)
Since I can’t ask for editors to get a raise anymore because of wan show, whoever wrote/edited this 5:51 gets a gold star ⭐️
At first I was like what's with the weird cropping then i replayed it "OH HEADROOM"
@@definitelynotagoodperson5456 OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH im kinda dum
??? mind filling me in what you mean with "cant ask editors to get a raise becuase of wan show"?
@@weberman173 it’s cuz on wan show Linus talked to the viewers about how asking for an employee to get a raise is totally unreasonable and that’s not how a business works. Which in all fairness, it absolutely is.
@@weberman173 ua-cam.com/video/taNftJUhEls/v-deo.html here a link to the lmg clip
I love how he did the South Park Canadian impression in his intro. I like Linus. He’s adorable.
Thats just what he would look like in south park
Honestly best intro yet
@@jennalove6755 That's what he really looks like before all the post processing of the videos, trust me.
I remember overclocking my dual core CPU from 1.5GHz to 2.5GHz, which drastically improved performance. Miss those days.
Correction: i remember the correct freq. now, base was 2.5GHz and OC to 3.2GHz without voltage changes. Spiderman web of shadows and Crysis used to stutter, but not anymore after the OC.
Core 2 Duo E2140, base 1.6GHz, clocked to 2.92GHz. For some reason I remember the exact clocks. Those were the days! I recall a Pentium D as well, 805? Overclocked it to 3.5Ghz, think the base was 2.6 or something.
These are incredible numbers. I m still running a i7 4790k at 4.7 GHz all cores air cooled on standard voltage, pretty sick aswell, golden chip.
I oc'd some Celeron D from 2ghz to 3.7, still a POS but it was an improvement
AMD A6-3400M from 1.4GHz to 2.2GHz... at 0.2V less than stock.
@@HaasTheFirst Those chips seemed to all be winners. I went from a 7700k @5.1 all core, to a 9900k @5.1 all core. Now my 12900k is screaming BUILD MEEE! when I'm just waiting to see what PSU evolvement will come to with the new 4000 series cards.
Over years of AMD CPU overclocking I have literally never considered pushing BCLK past 102/103% if I have a single PCIe device I care about connected to the system. While it's usually storage media to worry about I've seen all kinds of PCIe controllers on devices crap the bed with adventurous BCLK values.
Same dude. I've only ever ran into trouble when I traveled away from 100
Feels like they left out a section or something, as that’s the reason for the addition of the external clock generator: The devices with sensitive timing are driven off of it instead of the CPU BCLK, bypassing that instability.
EDIT: Apparently in recent generations they’ve reverted the change where they coupled these!
@@jameslake7775 No. The external clock generator is enabling you to change BCLKs on Non-K LOCKED Intel chip's. Without that, you can't do ANY overclocking on Non-K SKUs. Go back to 3:00 to 3:35 where he clarifies this point.
My i7 3770k runs with a 104 MHz B. clock and runs perfectily fine. 4.4 GHz OC on a NHD-15, never got pass 71°C 🥰
I use to run a Xeon x3480 (comparable to a first gen i7 880) at a bclk of 200! Used a 1070 with it for a year and a half gaming pretty heavily. That 1070 is still going strong 4 years later.
It's important to note that the Renesas chip CAN cost that much. This is because the chip is a PCIe gen 5 controller which are actually fairly expensive on their own but adding the chip also means you'll be adding gen 5 lanes as well (which they do). Meeting the additional signaling requirements adds more cost to the board as well meaning anything with this chip (or gen 5 in general) will be more expensive. This is why the Max happens to be one of the most expensive B660 boards, pretty comparable to entry-level Z690 boards.
With their new lab, I would like to see testing on non-K CPUs to test the longevity and viability of overclocking those units. Intel is "supposed" to be binning those units because of instability from overclocking the silicon and it would be interesting to see the variance in potential clock speeds relative to required voltages for non-K CPUs and if Intel's judgements on their quality is justified. I would also not be surprised if Intel were to take steps to void warranties on overclocked non-K CPUs as they've theoretically priced the products relative to an expected life span of the silicon which is compromised when operating outside of the original set parameters.
this IC costs like 10$ bulk
@@olioxx Yes, that's expensive for motherboard components, $10 is 5% of the final product's retail price and it's just one part out of hundreds. Furthermore, you also need a redesign of the PCB, additional components to support the IC, an SMT mounted PCIe slot and higher quality substrate and material to support gen 5 signal standards. The original product (non max) carried an MSRP of $180 at launch, a year later and all this extra stuff you'll likely be seeing them around $210 which makes sense.
They void warranties on K cpus as well
Except Asrock B660M PG Riptide also has it, and is relative cheap in Asia, closer to the $120 mark. this Mortar Max will also be closer to that value, when it launches in US/EU = at around $150/150 eur mark, probably more like 135/140.
@@Dogzilla07 The Asrock B660M PG Riptide uses an IDT6V4 external clock gen with no gen5 pcie support, it's a completely different chip and setup. Pricing in Asia isn't indicative of US/EU pricing due to transit, duty, and other costs. It also doesn't make sense for MSI to release the Mortar Max at a lower MSRP than the base Mortar.
My favorite overclock back in the day was the Celeron 300a. All you had to do was overclock the FSB from 66 to 100 and it would run at 450Mhz.. 50% faster!
You first needed to win the silicon lottery of having a chip made in Costa Rica. Which I had.
My celeron 2 stock 333mhz ran allways 650mhz +
Or 100-133 for more just hope your mobo had the dividers
at first i read it like "...at 450Mhz faster!"
Celeron 300A and an Abit BH6 mobo was the perfct combo. I could run mine @ 466 MHz without any issue
The coolest overclock back in the day got to go to the Q6600 tape mod. It goes from 2.4ghz to 3.00ghz if you tape one specific cpu pad.
I did that same overclock. Still have that cpu in a box in my room. Fun times modding things for more performance
I guess that shows the value of some lower-end CPUs, especially as computer parts continue to get more expensive.
it just shows that companies are becoming more greedy these days look at nvidia they just became really stupid and greedy hopefully thisll hurt them in the long term sadly blind fanboys dont give a shit
that avatar just gave me stage 5000 cancer and a stroke
@@fbiagentmiyakohoshino8223 Same
didnt even know they released a 12500k ^^ Seems like a waste of sand...12400 makes more sense.
Well, the low value CPU is usually the exact same chip as the high end one.
It just failed one or two (or 100) quality control tests and was downbinned.
If it had only a faulty core, then you should still be able to get original clock speed by overclocking.
My last Intel CPU was actually a Pentium G3258 20th anniversary edition that was specifically unlocked and at a cheap price point in honour of the 20th anniversary. I had great fun overclocking that chip. By the time I was ready to upgrade the Ryzen 2600 was looking pretty good and I've been on AM4 since upgrading as I've gone
I still use this chip (underclocked and undervolted) in my NAS! Tons of fun for 70$.
Problem is that most boards with an external clock generator are too expensive for what they are. Cheaper to buy a k-cpu
Also, budget gaming rigs are basically never limited by CPU. You are basically just burning expensive electricity (occationally) and lower stability of the system.
Or....just wait a month for the B660M MAX-:P to become available?
@@handlemonium it is already available in some stores in taiwan, it is like ~13 US dollars above the regular b660 mortar
@@Alias_Anybody depends on what games you play. my main game is heavily influenced by cpu. all you need to get 140fps+ is a mid tier gpu like a 3060 but the best x3d cpu
The days of intels q6600 were so great. I remember spending the money I saved on my cpu on a custom water loop.
I had so much fun on an E5300 and then upgrading to a q6700. Both were incredibly fun to overclock.
q6600 was my chip! Followed by a 4700k, now going from a 2600k to a 5800x3d, which may be my largest performance jump
This is a very common and normal way to overclock older CPUs, especially on platforms like X58. My current system does it with a Xeon x5670, also 6 cores. Running decent ram speed, as well as solid overclock of the North & South Bridges.
Forgot to mention though, both motherboards I have for it, have a SOLID cap at 166mhz for the X5670 Edit: (and I've tried just about everything I possibly can to get it to finish booting to Windows, from slowing literally everything else down to chucking a crapload of power at everything).
Interestingly, I can get the BCK to about 220 for an i7-something. Pretty fun when I was playing around with it
Ahhh miss my x58 platform. I used to cheat and used turbo boost on with a slight bclk overclock since I only had a x5650 so the multiplier non turbo was only like 20??
Man was that thing horribly unstable 😂. Honestly I think it was more picky about the ram than anything
I loved overclocking X58. When the platform wasn't that new anymore, i bought some old 2,4 ghz 4 Core Xeons for 10$ each. 2 of them hit 4ghz. My best overclock ever. I kinda regret selling the EVGA board which ran up to 227mhz Bclk.
X58 was prime example of what motherboard you bought mattered.
@@Physicus9 lower the CPU multi and go higher. I have a few x58 systems and even junk boards go to about 200 with good ones doing well above 220
I remember overclocking my AMD thunderbird by using the pencil trick (which was a PITA to get it stable). I don't know, I don't mind paying extra to make overclocking easier. Also when you buy the K series at least you know it's binned to hit high speeds, the same can't be said of the lower end chips. And like Linus said bumping up the base clock is probably not for the faint at heart, and remember the vendor might not have tested that frequency at all.
As the video says, overclocking like the old days (20-25 years ago) like with what you could get with the original Celerons, Bartons, and early P4 chips is pretty much dead. I overclocked everything up until a few years ago when I abandoned it due to stability issues that always crept in after some amount of time, even on a "rock solid" mild overclock. The chips are already doing it from the factory by boosting to higher clocks when needed, and I found I much preferred a truly stable system to one that might be a couple percent faster.
Besides, CPUs have much longer legs these days, and they're less critical to good performance than they were back then.
Intel underclocks their processors so they can sell us overclocking room to play with, in one of my systems i have a 3770 runs full speed boost doesn't even get near 60c
@@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx Well the 3770k is a 77w TDP chip, while the current gen equvalent 12700k is 190w while boosting. The chip may have a little more in it, but they're so power hungry these days that it's a challenge to dissipate all that heat even with a big cooler.
The 300A I alluded to in my original post could frequently go from 300 to 450mhz (a 50% overclock!) on stock voltage and the stock cooler with what I think was a 40 or 60mm fan. But that also only drew 17.8w, or less than 10% of what current gen stuff does! Wow, what a difference 23 years makes.
@@mdbbox5660 Yeah these days things i feel are changing we're truly getting near the limits of semiconductors normal systems have 8 core cpu's that run near 5ghz 😂but also consume >200w when overclocked insane stuff
Once upon a time I had Core 2 Quad Q6600. It was an overclockers' dream. Being a 2400Mhz CPU by default, I ran it @3400Mhz 24/7. Back then Intel was like: "Dude, here's our CPU. Have fun!" Now they are like: "Don't you dare touch anything unless you paid for it. And don't forget to buy an overpriced MB on our overpriced special overclocking chipset or it's stock clocks for you, b*tch!" lol Idk, but overclocking is not fun, when you have to pay extra for it, simple as that.
Agreed with stability. I don't want to come home to game or do whatever to find a unstable system to troubleshoot. I just want it to work!
9:40 Shoutout to the editor for putting what looks like PCI-X slots on screen when he says PCI-eXpress
That is exactly what I did with my very first PC with an i3 550 and Intel branded board. It sucks that Intel has locked down their base clock on newer systems.
Yup brought me back to my i5 750
@@ian54589 I had an i7 920 up until last week when I finally caved and got myself an i9 12900k, 32gb DDR5 RAM, 2*samsung evo Pro 2TB SSDs, a 3080ti, and a 165hz/1440p 27 inch monitor. I went from an 11(?) year old processor to the top shelf product - sure, it cost a whole handful of cash... But it's like I was struggling to walk before and now I can fly. I loved my i7 920, it kept me gaming for my entire adult life. Now I can play all the games I had to miss out on. It just cost me about $4,200.
@@Cortanakya 13 years old. 13.
@@Cortanakya It was a pre-build pc or you put it together yourself?
@@lunator100hd I put it together myself. It cost about the same as a pre-built but I just love building computers so it's worth it for me.
The editor earned a like just with the 5:12 blue screen, great job guys! If I was living close I'd bring you cinnamon buns, but I live in Spain D=
I remember doing this way back on my old skylake 6400. There was a backdoor in the code or something and if you had a z170 mobo (which is why i got one) you could install a modded bios and oc like this. Managed to get a 2.7ghz chip running at 4.3 ghz!
Yep, I did the same with my i3-6100. Skylake non-K OC was awesome. Glad to see the modern day equivalent here.
@@nickthaskater not really though, it's a feature on... One board you can't really buy
@@adamsayer11 as was basically the case with Skylake non-K OC. Also, they said in the video the motherboard will be available in NA this fall.
@@nickthaskater Nah, basically every z170 board could do it due to a micro code issue, without the need for any special chip on the board
6500 user here 😅
Honestly, undervolting feels like the game. I like seeing how much performance I can gain or how much I can push on the best voltage. Most times the lower voltages cause higher clocks just because they can boost higher from less heat. My GPU and my CPU both have pretty big performance boosts and it's saving power.
yep. i get around 500 more points in cinebench with an undervolt
I think undervolt/powerlimit is the future with the premium pricing on these chips, if the 13900k can do what's advertised and perform similar multi-performance as 12900k, but at around 65w. Modern gpus are gonna get more HOT and I don't want to bother air cooling both that AND a hot CPU, up on the top floor of the house in the summer seasons.
liquid cooling has been a must have since 11th gen on intel systems, AIO at minimum.
Bruh you dont have air conditioners? I live in tropical climate country, it's summer all-year-round here.
ECO mode type stuff with air cooling is what I imagine my first PC build will be since I'd rather not mess with water and the higher end features I want isn't about having it at maximum power.
@@stigrabbid589 er....nh-d15 and plenty of other noctua air coolers work just fine
Don't confuse hot with watts. Just be because something runs hot doesn't mean it is power hungry
The last real fun overclocks I’ve done were the Ryzen 1700 CPU and Fury GPU. The Ryzen 1700 had a lot of headroom cause it was just and underclocked 1800x. The Fury GPU had some headroom, but could be undervolted massively. After that both CPUs and GPUs got that automatic boost clock behavior, which means they run pretty close to spec already.
I remember overclocking my old i7 920, i was able to sqeeze out 70% more performance when the gtx 1060 was new. I really miss that cpu since it was so fun just goofing around with it.
I had one of those, and an i5 2500k. Both of them could handle an overclock with gusto. I got my i5 to 4.98GHz stable and the i7 was *almost* stable at double its factory speed (I forget the actual number). Both of them still work today after being overclocked daily for nearly a decade. They're built like tanks - I recently upgraded and put the i5 into the PC I'm building for my girlfriend to play various sim games (not *the* sims - simulation games like rimworld etc). Sure, it'll splutter and falter when things start getting super complicated but it'll outperform anything that most laptops can manage, and compare favorably to relatively recent (3-4ish year old) mid-range processors in single core tasks like many games are.
@@Cortanakya I wish i still have my old i7 920, but i gave it away for a kid that was getting his first pc, and didn’t have a big budget, so i know it’s in good hands at least haha.
The 2000 seriers from Intel was also some tanks, you could hit those cpu’s big time without them struggeling.
I ran an i7-930 for years (and still use it as a video server but with a more modest overclock). But before it got replaced my AMD 3950x rig the I7 930 was running @ over 4ghz which was over 200 on the FSB got to love none synchronous clocks
I loved my i7 920. Ran it at 4ghz for years.
I love that Linus has been able to build his reputation that companies like Intel are actually paying attention to him. I know it’s undoubtedly a lot of pressure to best represent the community’s interests, but I appreciate that LMG has been doing so and pressuring companies to change.
I love that you guys nailed the look of older LTT videos, such a contrast!
...Also that headroom joke.
Btw, both the Asus ROG Strix B660-G and B660-F allows it (at least in BIOS version 1003). They're more expensive but at least available.
Ah yes, Artificial Limitations, also known as "One of the reasons why I buy your competitor's products." It's like they think the only competition their products have is from their other products.
I mean, it was for about a decade. Just one more reason why competition is good for consumers.
What I REALLY wish is that there was any sort of realistic 3rd option for average consumers. A duopoly is not really much better than a monopoly.
CPU multipliers have always been locked for a long time now on non-enthusiast chips
@@Argedis So all Ryzen CPUs are enthusiast chips?
@@Argedis multipliers being locked didn't happen until AMD stopped being a real competitor
@@eldibs You know I meant Intel CPUs. Locked multipliers have been a thing for a long time now.
Reminds me of the olden days of adjusting clocks and multipliers with either jumpers or dip-switches. Ahh, the good ole days!
This was kind of a thing in 6th gen intel CPUs where you could overclock non-K models.
I did it with my i7-6700.
11:50 I see that little wink before the cut. The "trust me bro" warranties are very nice to have
I honestly think that the i5 12th gen is a big deal for gaming
Nothing special next to 5600
I've got the i5 12400f and I definitely agree
It's an upgrade from a 10400f
@@riba2233 The 12400 has pretty much identical performance to the 5600.
@@riba2233 bro it is faster than r9 5900x
The best part of about the external clock generator is that is ALSO overclocks the Cache.... and we know how much games love some good Cache
Intel: Lets lock both cheaper CPU and motherboard option so that they can't OC both of their CPU and memory
i love BCLK overclocking. i used to have an i5-6500 that i overclocked to 4.5ghz, which was where most i5-6600k CPUs would reach
Sure, BCLK overclocking is fun but don't be overstating the truth. 100% of 6600k's would achieve a 4.5Ghz overclock per Silicon Lottery. A 6600k that would do only 4.7Ghz was a poor overclocker & could be achieved in 70% of CPUs per Silicon Lottery. Mine was very exceptional and would do 5.1Ghz.
@@Emeril242 sure but keep in mind i had a cheap hyper 212 evo cooler and kept the voltage low, around 1.25V
If they could even do what they did on the i7-3820, which was allowing overclocking to a certain point (I.E., partially unlocked) than that would at least be more reasonable.
It's nice to be well connected, like Linus.
I think it's great that it can be done - especially some years down the line for the used market! Still.. I don't know if it's me becoming old or what but all the hustle to save maybe like $50? Not worth it, if I unterstood this right.
Budget overclocking is a very teenager thing to do, yeah. When you have time and energy but not money. I got up to some crazy builds when I was 16, I had a 400mm side panel fan in my case because why the hell not it's 2007, just to try and improve the cooling a little and keep my video card under 120°C. It crashed at 125.
These days I just buy good components and run them stock. Zero worries. Maybe 200 bucks more for the whole system which is nothing, but adequate cooling and good components are worth it to me now. When I was 16, 200 bucks might be my entire budget for the yearly computer upgrade! Of course I will tinker with it for two weeks until it has the performance I want at the price I can afford!!
Great vid Linus, good to see you getting back to your roots of overclocking the small chips. Personally running the 12100f in the ASUS b660g motherboard, bclk at a stable 5.12ghz all core. Its a beast of a chip for the money.
Gonna start saying neutered when talking about tech now 😂
Reminds me of my H97m ITX board from Asrock, it has an early beta bios with a certain microcode that wasn't patched, right before launch, it allowed for K series OC and BC OC like we see here, The once legendary G5258 can hit almost 5Ghz without vrm cooling..shows how good haswell was and still is on the budget end, good ol BCLK overclocking! The way we all used to do it and wish was more common but with various pci-e devices becoming upset, not so much a thing now that north bridges and whatnot are gone. really helped to push pci-e clocks on multi GPU setups in the early days of PCI-e..
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I miss the good old days of overclocking also. I had the first gen i7 920 Do won the lotto with it. Base clock of 2.66 ran it at 4.4 for some mad bench runs setlled in at 4.2 totally stable, 24hr stress tested... Ran it for years never dropping the clocks bk down, then my son did for years after me when i upgraded. It's still running today. Although one of the triple channel memory lanes died on the board.
I loved devils canyon with g3258. First cpu, and overclocking was a ton of fun. I only saw a 10-20 frame bump when going to the i5.
Reminds me of my old Core i5 760. That's where it really got started for me, running that thing at a 20x multiplier but a 200 MHz base clock. Now that I think back on it, I suppose that also means I was running my memory at DDR3 2666.
Id just do a base clock oc, and also add a clock divider for everything else, it shouldn't be so difficult, except needing atleast a 2x oc
MSI had this on a locked intel CPU long ago. Maybe it was 6th gen, but this was possible and I don’t recall a special chip or maybe it was there and wasn’t talked about. Regardless, it was fun, flaky and 3rd party software couldn’t read the clocks but benchmarks obviously did.
I miss stuff like this!
With Ryzen 5000, the Curve Optimizer and pushing your PBO is the way to go. I was able to get about ~12% extra performance out of my 5950X without much in terms of increased heat or power draw. The undervolting from the Curve Optimizer combined with the elevated PBO values were about a net zero change in thermals and power draw, but got me that extra performance. And if I was using better cooling, I could have pushed the PBO settings even further.
I bought my NH-D15 back in 2014, after getting tired of AIO coolers breaking. I've used it ever since, am super pleased with it, and am never going back to water cooling.
I miss the days of base clock adjustments. I understand that everything is using it and it had to die, but I loved the extra challenges of trying to determine the best ram frequency you could get to match your cpu's limits.
I genuinely enjoyed the "headroom" editing joke at 5:50.
Aaahhh back are the Intel days when I turned the FSB (front side bus) of my 150 dollar Celeron 300a up from 66mhz to 100mhz and have it run at 450mhz like the 660 dollar Pentium II 450mhz. An 50% increase in perfomance😎
Ahh Skylake did this too, I could run my i5-6400 on an MSI mobo at 4.6GHz all core, up nearly 50% from the stock 3.1GHz all core clock speed! However the PCIe clock was separate from the BCLK on that architecture
So, another important downside to this is the old microcode. On the plus side, it lets you overclock, yay! On the down side, you're missing bug fixes, stability improvements and most importantly, SECURITY FIXES. A lot of the fixes for various bugs - all the new 2022-eidition Spectre/Meltdown variants - are in microcode. As such, which this is fun for enthusiasts, it's even less viable as a daily driver.
This. You'll likely lose the feature once BIOS updates come since it's not officially supported by Intel. And Windows may not boot with the old microcode unless you delete a certain file.
for a business security fixes are important, for gamers, they wont be happy if they get in the way of performance
Back in the 1990/2000s we did quite a bit of overclocking the base clock. Sometimes the lower chips like P3 333mhz were actually capable of running 500mhz solid, while another unit of the same model would crash at 366mhz. Luck of the draw from the manufacturing plant; they were all based on the same design, get tested, then add a limiter based on the test. There were other differences in the series though, and the really good ones with higher L2 & L3 didn't come in a lower clock speed.
Finally, unedited *real* footage of Linus in the intro!
I remember overclocking my athlon K7-550 to 650 (maybe 700?) on my first PC. To do so, you had to remove and re-solder SMD resistors. That was fun!
To put into context of how good that cinebench run is, my 3800xt liquid cooled with a 360mm AIO gets 12000 points compared to the almost 16000 of the i5 even though the i5 has less cores
i managed 7.5k with my 3300x which has exactly half cores with a bit of undervolting and giving enough cooling from its original 6.5k so i believe your 3800xt has hidden potential still.
That’s a really bad score. My 3700X undervolted got a score of 13324 on a 240mm Rad.
Would definitely look into tuning up your CPU.
@@robertpatton172 what speed RAM do you use, I have 3200MHz which is probably slowing it down
@@Solly_March_Goat 3600CL16.
I tuned up my brother’s R5 3600 PC and got a 10K cinebench score on that, that had 3200MHz memory that runs at 3600 at stock voltage. I’d probably turn it up and give it a go
@@robertpatton172 I've tried overclocking the RAM in the past to not much luck, past 3266 it won't boot
Need to see a video where you test the silicone lottery with mid tier CPUs and see how likely/unlikely it is you get a chip that can pull off a good, stable OC like you see in this video
For me this kind of moves (like Intel which removes the possibility of overclocking) should be illegal, if I buy a product I should be able to modify it as I want.
@@RyTrapp0 intentionally limiting the capabilities of your product to sell the more expensive ones should be illegal as it essentially intentionally generates e-waste
@@RyTrapp0 Voting with your wallet doesn't really work when there are only two manufacturers.
@@RyTrapp0 I don't think that everything I don't like should be illegal, but for me, doing something proactive to restrict customers' freedom to do what they want with the product they bought should be illegal. You probably have a dislike of the laws because you prefer freedom and I understand that, but in this case it is about making a law that protects the freedom of consumers.
@@RyTrapp0 in this case it isn't a matter of preference, if you don't want to modify your product you can leave it as it is, if you want you can modify it, it is a win win for the costumers.
@@RyTrapp0 I'm not here to do the law in practice, but it can be done on a case-by-case basis.
2:50 that little nudge to the GPU made my heart jump.
I come from a time when base clock (or front side bus back then) oveclocking was the only way.
Interesting to see that it can be a thing again.
My Athlon II X2 240 (2.8ghz stock) ran on 3.1xxghz for a decade. Good old times :D
Miss the days of the Intel Q6600! Could over clock them from 2.4 to 4ghz with DDR2 memory at 1600mhz and the FSB 1600mhz (from the 1066) 1:1 with the memory and were the cheapest chip of the Q range!
Ok, first 4 seconds of the video was the best ever scene you did. Please make whole episode like this! :D
That (video title) escalated quickly 😂
Intel neutering -> crippling -> PLEASE
I was about to say lol. How many times do they changed the title already? 🤣
It's always interesting when the title of the video gets changed twice in the first 24 hours
back in the day my first i7 was i7 2600k on P8V77V-PRO ready for overclock. I remember I bought the NH-D15 to "extreme" overclock the i7. from base 3.4Ghz to 5.2Ghz with 1.42V. Huge peformance!
I gave a friend my old Pentium G3258 system with Asus Strix 750 ti. But it is still going strong as an entertainment system while he games on his new system.
Shout to the editor for the "headroom" joke. I appreciate your efforts!
I kid you not, the moment he said "It's not crashing!" my power browned out. :P lol.
Loving the southpark canadian sketches.. that brings back memories watching southpark when i was younger.
Man, what sucks is it sounds like a modded bios would make the safer over clock possible, but considering updating to the newest official bios can brick your MOBO I doubt anyone wants to try and mod it
There is also a board from Asrock that has an external clock generator, it was covered by Tech Yes City
Funny thing I just re-watched South Park's 1999 movie. Stumbling to this intro is just gold.
Oh boy this take me back. My first PC I built was X58. BCLK up around 140-150 doing your best not to explode your ram. wondering why nothing was ever stable again afterward. Good times. Taking the i7 920 from 2.66 all the way up to 4.0-4.4 ghz was nuts at the time.
This was a thing back in 6x00 era. Some mobo manufacturers mistakenly released BIOSs that enabled the same type of overclocking. I OC'ed my i5 6500 to pretty high clock and used it for years only to replace it with an amd 5600x years later :)
which mobo did you use?
model?
@@defencebangladesh4068 It was a z170 gigabyte motherboard and I remember OC'ing to 5.5 GHz. I couldn't find the webpages to the motherboard-bios list (there was a list like that somewhere).
the zoom in to cut the top of linus' head off when he said "theres not alot of head room" made me snort out my red bull.
That Terrance and Phillip intro was awesome lmao
It’s from South Park and they are Canadian lmfao
5:50 that subtle editing joke xD
Max Headroom. 😎
I bought the D14 when it first came out and still used it today in my main rig.
When I was running a pentium G3258 I had it overclocked to 4.8ghz stable on the stock cooler, 5.0 in the winter. That thing absolutely ripped for 80CAD on anything that didn't need more than 2 cores
I remember overclocking via front side bus. Good ole days. Nothing like overclocking with a pencil though! Lol
3:45 missed an opportunity to throw in the "its an older code sir" meme
I had a lot more fun FSB overclocking on the LGA 775 platform than I have from overclocking K model CPU's from LGA 1155, 1151, or 1200
@4:10 "This is Amazing! It does all the math for you..." You could even say that it computes it for you... a computer.
The Mortar Max is available for preorder in the UK. The Strix B660-F also has a clockgen chip and is widely available; it requires DDR5, but good DDR5 is becoming cheaper.
running an i3-2100 with 12GB DDR3 1333 MHz in South Africa in 2022. The interwebs seem to work OK most of the time. This morning my main HDD failed and I spent 12 hours between the other HDD's on Linux Mint updating stuff and other W10 installs. Come 7pm and my geriatric PC decides it will come to life again to where I needed it to be. Hey Linus - cool contributions!
Maybe I'm a little dumb here but using older microcode could cause some issues, yeah? Overclocking at the risk of security potentially, idk if that's the best choice. Previously you just risk stability.
can still remember using jumpers for FSB or multiplier OC or using a pencil to mark lines on the CPU to change the multiplier :D
2012: Pro Overclocker.
2022: Pro Undervolter.
Holy moly, seeing Hexus gave me a terrifying shot of Nostalgia there...
I love how there's old test results of a 1.87Ghz Barton core Athlon XP in the first 20 seconds of the video...that was my second CPU (After an old Cyrix I kept for far too long) and the first one I ever overclocked.
Happen to see this video today and is using the same line up since April. Will probably try this later.
11:59 The cripple hammer remans undefeated
Wasn't the multiplier always locked for a long time now?
I got into PC building in the CORE 2 days when the Q6600 was the golden budget chip. The CPU Multiplier was locked at 9X but people were able to overclock by increasing the FSB. The QX chips had the unlocked multiplier and was way easier to overclock.
Strange... I never over clocked my PC and always bought intel since around 1995. I would purchase mid to high mid hardware and typically would upgrade every 5 years. In recent years the upgrades are slower as it appears that gaming tech has slowed. So the last full upgrade was about 2012 or maybe a little sooner. GPU upgrade was more recent, 2019, and still mid to mid high at the time. I'll probably do a CPU and motherboard upgrade in the near future. I never really had an issue with Intel. It was actually more stable than AMD. First time trying AMD around the early 2000s and my pc would just crash. Instantly went back to intel and there were zero issues.
I love how I've gotten so use to Linus' videos that I can see the sponsor segway before it appears.
The good old day off socket 775 were base clock overclocking was the main thing pushing 450mhz+ over the 333mhz base clock was fun
I really love this South Park reference, nice job guys
Im using a ryzen 7 1700x at 4.1 ghz using ryzen master on a gigabyte board and it is still chugging along very well
My first overclocking experience was BCLK overclocking my Intel Pentium HT 3,2 GHz, a single core, hyperthreading CPU. A powerhouse back in its days. (It was high-end, because it had hyperthreading!)
3,76 GHz was the most I could manage with the stock cooler and 8 year old thermal paste.
I still have the CPU, my first one, though the computer is long gone.