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  • Federal regulators approved an inspection process that will allow Boeing's 737 Max 9 jetliners to take to the skies once again, following a recent incident where a side panel came off of a plane mid-flight. But some people are not happy with the aviation company. Allied Pilots Association spokesperson Capt. Dennis Tajer joins "NewsNation Now" to discuss Boeing's safety procedures. "Boeing is failing right now to produce a reliable, and most importantly, safe product on a consistent basis. [...] The FAA has just got to stop this madness," Tajer says.
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  • @BangkokZed
    @BangkokZed 4 місяці тому +66

    "Off airport landing" what's next - "negative passenger delivery outcome", where is George Carlin when we really need him.

    • @willemhaifetz-chen1588
      @willemhaifetz-chen1588 3 місяці тому +6

      Really Good. His Spirit is still here as you have just proven. GREAT

    • @XKLIX
      @XKLIX Місяць тому +1

      Priceless. Just what Carlin would have said. RIP

  • @martentrudeau6948
    @martentrudeau6948 4 місяці тому +132

    The Captain sounds like a good man.

    • @MikeWiggins1235711
      @MikeWiggins1235711 3 місяці тому +4

      martentrudeau6948: Agreed! I hope NewsNation keeps this well-spoken aviation professional on tap for any future aviation-related commentary. Lord knows the news media needs more aviation-savvy journalists and sources who actually have licenses instead of looking for answers to the VERY important "how do you feel about ..." question.

    • @martentrudeau6948
      @martentrudeau6948 3 місяці тому +5

      @@MikeWiggins1235711 ~ Boeing Corporation and the FAA have a cozy relationship, that's a problem, the FAA should only be concerned about keeping Boeing planes safe, and not about Boeing's profits.

    • @user-xl6ji9tk9n
      @user-xl6ji9tk9n 2 місяці тому +2

      He was contributor to a Frontline documentary about Boeing MCAS debacle. And when he talked about how the young LionAir copilot did everything right (according to Boeing) and still died, he got emotional. You could see how much he felt for a fellow pilot he didn't even know. Good man

  • @eddieraffs5909
    @eddieraffs5909 4 місяці тому +435

    Anyone expecting the FAA to do anything substantial about Boeing isn't following the money trail.

    • @elbuggo
      @elbuggo 4 місяці тому

      They are pushing dieworseity over safety anyway.

    • @fluoxethine
      @fluoxethine 4 місяці тому

      In US bribery is legal and it's called lobbying. Also no one from Boeing or FAA is in jail after 737 Max 8 tragedy. This is how rotten then justice in the US is.

    • @Raptorman0909
      @Raptorman0909 4 місяці тому +14

      Yeah, but the money issue isn't one issue it's several issues. Companies in many industries hire lobbyists (cut outs) to grease the palms of politicians in order to get regulations cut or to pressure the agency to not investigate them. They also push to have the agencies budget cut or flatlined to limit the agency from doing their job. The FAA should be deeply involved in the certification process, but because they do not have the people to do that job the task is partially outsourced to ... wait for it ... Boeing. Repeat after me ... the fox guarding the hen house!
      The FAA had been a world class agency respected around the world such that when the FAA certified an airplane the rest of the world said ... good enough for me! That is no longer the case as the agency has been hollowed out -- BY DESIGN!

    • @F-14_Jockey
      @F-14_Jockey 4 місяці тому

      The FAA makes more problems than it fixes.

    • @Elizabeth-tg7jo
      @Elizabeth-tg7jo 4 місяці тому +8

      No, I think the FAA has balls. They just need an AirTag to find them.

  • @PerfectInterview
    @PerfectInterview 4 місяці тому +100

    It’s not just the CEO. He’s there by approval of the board. The entire board needs to go.

    • @Ara-wo6wk
      @Ara-wo6wk 3 місяці тому

      Ban Weed! Or stop people in the travel industry from smoking! Drug test everyone!

    • @jmseipp
      @jmseipp 3 місяці тому

      No, the republicans need to stop defunding government agencies like the FAA!

  • @Peringrid
    @Peringrid 4 місяці тому +309

    We can address this as passengers by refusing to book on any Max flight

    • @digidol52
      @digidol52 4 місяці тому +34

      I think many people will do this (including me) but airlines often substitute aircraft at the last minute.

    • @Alaskancruiser
      @Alaskancruiser 4 місяці тому +16

      @@digidol52Exactly what they will do.

    • @carystevensky
      @carystevensky 4 місяці тому +20

      Don’t fly the MAX!

    • @Peringrid
      @Peringrid 4 місяці тому +7

      I believe that you refuse to accept any airplane substitute according to the Montreal convention.

    • @gonenguldal5782
      @gonenguldal5782 4 місяці тому +14

      @@digidol52 and that’s when you step off the airplane, tell the airline the reason and just wait for the next flight

  • @tomarmstrong1281
    @tomarmstrong1281 4 місяці тому +80

    As a retired commercial pilot, I miss my job and my colleagues, but I am not sorry to be free of the pressure. Pressure for which, most of the time, ought not to be there. There ought not to be a conflict between profit and flight safety. Flight safety is part of the cost of running a successful aerospace industry, at all levels.

    • @waltbroedner4754
      @waltbroedner4754 3 місяці тому +2

      I am afraid that that is the very definition of capitalism, the on going conflict between profit and was is right.

    • @tomarmstrong1281
      @tomarmstrong1281 3 місяці тому

      @@waltbroedner4754 I do not entirely agree. Ultimately, if a company brings damaged goods to the marketplace, the company will fail. However, because all humans are imperfect, there is always a need for checks and balances, and as much as we hate them, rules and regulations.

    • @SL-bn8qb
      @SL-bn8qb 3 місяці тому +2

      With the exception of military aviation, where "acceptable" loss is "expected" of cutting-edge military jets, (civil flight safety had been, and should be returned as Boeing's prime "directive").

    • @johnchristmas7522
      @johnchristmas7522 3 місяці тому

      The real problem, is right across ALL American businesses. The DOLLAR first and f... everything else. Just take a look across the spectrum of top CEO's. GREED runs rampant.and is condoned by government via cash handouts. Look into Boeings business practices, nothing nice there.

    • @tomarmstrong1281
      @tomarmstrong1281 3 місяці тому +1

      @@johnchristmas7522 I discovered the truth of that when on one occasion I was sent from my home country to participate in a university research program in America.

  • @michaelallen1396
    @michaelallen1396 4 місяці тому +38

    33 years of line and hangar maintenance on jets, this pilot was right on the money about all of it. The most important thing is standards must be maintained in every sphere, it's the reason flying is so safe for the public, marginal and underperforming people should not be allowed to pass through in critical safety positions- lives depend on it.

  • @markw1123
    @markw1123 4 місяці тому +162

    "Defending negative inputs keeps the focus off the bigger picture". As a commercial pilot I can tell you this is the heart of the matter. Too many distractions in a system which is running full speed.

    • @plav032
      @plav032 4 місяці тому +9

      Not just pilots, I feel this in maintenance also, we are constantly being asked to do more with less, and in less time. Most of us have learnt how to push back against the pressure to put safety aside, but human factors happen.

    • @artgreen6915
      @artgreen6915 4 місяці тому +6

      ​@@plav032 This is where the FAA should have your back so it isn't just up to you to fend off inappropriate pressures.
      Speaking from Britain, tell me if I'm out of line, but I feel there's a nationalistic/protectionist element that's crept into the FAAs priorities somehow. I don't think the Americans have a sufficiently good system to keep politics separated when necessary. They even have a Supreme Court whereby whichever president is in power rejoices in stuffing with the most party flag waving candidates they can find every chance they get. Unsurprisingly it's increasingly polarised. Doesn't the president appoint the head of the FAA too, picked over by Congress? No doubt another obligation to show their faithful how they've picked someone to 'stand up for America' likely in the short term. The best way to stand up for America long term would be for regulators to keep American companies honest with their quality - after all they CAN be really successful when they get it right.
      After the 737 Max crashes, stories came out that for certification of the aircraft the FAA had almost gone native at Boeing.

    • @artgreen6915
      @artgreen6915 4 місяці тому +1

      I just did some Googling to see if I was being unfair or inaccurate, but I rapidly found an NPR article from March 26 2023 entitled:
      "President Biden's nominee to head the FAA has withdrawn after Republican criticism"
      I am not attacking either political party here, it seems if you read the article there were concerns from moderates about the candidate, as well as some anti-Democrat-nominee tribalism from Republicans.
      Particular concerning was the line 'The FAA has lacked a Senate-confirmed administrator since March 2022'.
      Far from dispelling the fears I outlined in my previous comment, this article seemed to almost perfectly back them up. Worth a quick read, it's easy to find.
      I just thought is it right to drag that type of appointment through such a politically charged process. But it seems for all key federal positions that's how USA does it.

    • @aixtom979
      @aixtom979 4 місяці тому

      @@plav032 I have the same pressure in IT. And I guess things like that also played a role in the NOTAM outage at the FAA themselves on January 11, 2023, which grounded all planes nationwide for two hours.

    • @plav032
      @plav032 4 місяці тому

      @artgreen6915 I can't comment to that as I'm actually Canadian, but these pressures still exist, Transport Canada and the FAA need to have the power to hold these corporations accountable, but they rely on declining public funding, and industry experience to fill their ranks, and that's been a huge issue for us in Canada, our industry has been uncutting wages for decades and its pushed many experienced people out of the aviation sector to pursue more lucrative opportunities, and most of us are multi faceted, we can adapt to many industries and we are highly skilled.
      This has been a huge brain drain on the entire industry from apprentices, engineers, to directors of maintenance departments, and even regulators as majority are high experienced engineers that seek those jobs.

  • @mattnoeth4373
    @mattnoeth4373 4 місяці тому +38

    I appreciate pilots like this American Airlines pilot whose focus is SAFETY FIRST. For nearly 40 years I worked closely with these professional pilots and skilled maintenance staff. Although delays of any kind are an annoyance to some, I'd rather be delayed than dead. Never rush safety!
    Next time you're 'delayed on-the-ground (terra firma) thank the airline staff, buy yourself AND them a cup of coffee and breath a sigh of relief that someone you don't know has YOUR best interests , YOUR life, as their focus.
    That, dear fellow travelers, should give you pause to treat others as you would like to be treated. Fairly.

    • @TheRealWindlePoons
      @TheRealWindlePoons 3 місяці тому +4

      "I'd rather be delayed than dead. Never rush safety! "
      I used to fly regularly on a tiny regional airline flying small turboprops. Flights were often delayed (after a four hour delay I was once told "we had to change a propeller"). Once in the air I never had a single scary moment - which is exactly the way it should be.

  • @user-qe3cf3yi6r
    @user-qe3cf3yi6r 4 місяці тому +87

    I worked for the Boeing Company for 36 years, and for most of that time I was very proud of the products. Every part of every plane was made of the highest quality, and assembled by skilled workers who knew how to do it right.Then, a couple of years before I retired, everything started to get cheapened. That wasn't a mistake; it was a conscious decision to attempt to save money by getting workers to do more, for less. As an executive admitted to me personally, he simply asked everyone to do the same job for 10 percent less this year, and they somehow did it, making him look good. Then next year, the same for 10% less cost. The problem is, if you keep cheapening everything by ten percent every year, eventually important tasks just don't get done, and the workers stop caring. Now, this executive's cost cutting made him famous, so they kicked him upstairs to Quality Assurance for the 737 division. Why am I not surprised at todays ongoing 737 screwups?

    • @johnfranchina84
      @johnfranchina84 4 місяці тому +16

      I am an Engineer and I worked for a company where the GM of Operations’ bonus was linked to cost savings on his budget. Not only did he achieve cost cutting targets, he excelled and hit double digit budget savings. Within 5 years the company went bust due to customers walking away from broken products.

    • @kenbrownfield6584
      @kenbrownfield6584 4 місяці тому

      It's all about the bonuses . Profit over people. @@johnfranchina84

    • @lunam7249
      @lunam7249 4 місяці тому +2

      sounds like your gonna get served a court summons by a sheriff, for the $10 billion lawsuit against boeing....as if boeing cares!! market cap $500B

    • @lunam7249
      @lunam7249 4 місяці тому +6

      i remember a few years back, the FAA start letting BOEING "self certify and calibrate"!!! WTF😳😳😳👏☠️☠️💩💩

    • @kommsofort6977
      @kommsofort6977 3 місяці тому +5

      I won't fly now, unless it's on an AIRBUS.

  • @utoob7361
    @utoob7361 4 місяці тому +116

    My guess is that the FAA is terrified that a real investigation would loop right back onto them.

    • @jeffsframe9927
      @jeffsframe9927 4 місяці тому +5

      As it should

    • @Hurpdurpdipidydoo
      @Hurpdurpdipidydoo 4 місяці тому +3

      Absolutely

    • @alexwyler4570
      @alexwyler4570 4 місяці тому

      FAA has no power. It is just there to be blamed by ignorant people.

    • @summeraahmad5758
      @summeraahmad5758 4 місяці тому +2

      Welcome to merica the land of the “free”

    • @MathieuDeVinois
      @MathieuDeVinois 4 місяці тому

      And it would. Half of the problems they know about but don’t care. FAA basically is Boeing. They will just do enough to save their face.

  • @daklakdigital3691
    @daklakdigital3691 4 місяці тому +149

    YOU HAVE TO LOVE PR TALK.
    A "CRASH" is now called "OFF AIRPORT LANDING". Great phrase!

    • @Aerospace_Education
      @Aerospace_Education 4 місяці тому +1

      What goes up must come down :)

    • @monitor1725
      @monitor1725 4 місяці тому +1

      Or an H.I.L., High Impact Landing.

    • @phillee2814
      @phillee2814 4 місяці тому +8

      No doubt following the "unscheduled rapid disassembly" of the cowling and whatever it takes with it, with "early and unauthorised disembarkation" of any passengers unfortunate enough to be seated next to the hole.

    • @billybob7891
      @billybob7891 4 місяці тому +6

      George Carlin

    • @57Jimmy
      @57Jimmy 4 місяці тому

      Boeing, FAA and others using ‘Off Airport Landing’ phrase, is no different than the military using the term ‘Collateral Damage’
      End result…innocent people die.

  • @MusicalMemeology
    @MusicalMemeology 4 місяці тому +61

    It’s really hard to understand how Boeing thought selling off a company that makes 70% of their planes was a good idea. They’ve outsourced their company! Absolute madness.

    • @bartsolari5035
      @bartsolari5035 4 місяці тому +1

      So is the I Phone

    • @spikespeigel2712
      @spikespeigel2712 4 місяці тому

      Airbus does the same. Muh outsourcing.

    • @alexwyler4570
      @alexwyler4570 4 місяці тому +6

      Greed. The executives got to make their 50 million a year somehow. What does it matter if people die. The excecutives get to keep all their millions. Furthermore, anytime the board, people who have no idea what makes a plane fly, announces the layoff of skilled workers, the stock goes way up. Reaganism. Greed is Good.

    • @bobby1970
      @bobby1970 4 місяці тому

      They'll probably never be able to get that 70% back.

    • @Travisesty
      @Travisesty 4 місяці тому +1

      Wrong…..Airbus does a little but they make there own acft and assemble it!!!

  • @tringalij
    @tringalij 4 місяці тому +57

    I love that line… “stop putting errors into my cockpit.” So true. I hate all the little “work arounds” we need to do to get things working. Not really anything to complain about on the 757 & 767s I fly, but I used to fly the 737 NG series and what a pile of junk they were.

  • @Lukeduke7773
    @Lukeduke7773 4 місяці тому +35

    The anti-ice issue potentially/probably leading to an uncontained catastrophic dual engine failure is terrifying, the general public doesn’t realize how serious that is. I’m a CPL & I will not fly on the MAX.

    • @eamonhannon1103
      @eamonhannon1103 3 місяці тому +1

      What is a CPL ? . Try not to use industry jargon .

    • @Lukeduke7773
      @Lukeduke7773 3 місяці тому +2

      @@eamonhannon1103 apologies. Commercial pilot’s license.

    • @XKLIX
      @XKLIX Місяць тому

      @@eamonhannon1103 There is Google. unless you are from China or russia.

  • @marksmith2913
    @marksmith2913 4 місяці тому +185

    Greed before safety

    • @rayparas2974
      @rayparas2974 4 місяці тому

      its been greed in USA before anything actually

    • @geneticdisorder1900
      @geneticdisorder1900 4 місяці тому +2

      Welcome to Merika

    • @jasono2139
      @jasono2139 4 місяці тому +4

      "Diversity" before competency

    • @plav032
      @plav032 4 місяці тому +1

      @@jasono2139 I'm not convinced this aspect isn't cost cutting in disguise

    • @jasono2139
      @jasono2139 4 місяці тому +2

      @plav032 the cost cut is partly due to wasting money on pointless diversity crap... same thing.

  • @allentate3760
    @allentate3760 4 місяці тому +102

    Boeing CEO needs to go. He already owns enough yachts

    • @murrethmedia
      @murrethmedia 4 місяці тому +12

      The entire management needs to go.

    • @scottolee1599
      @scottolee1599 4 місяці тому +7

      Yeah, but he needs money for all the fuel for those yatchs!

    • @TheRealWindlePoons
      @TheRealWindlePoons 3 місяці тому +1

      Perhaps he's shooting for an Elon Musk salary.

  • @franckozzy7979
    @franckozzy7979 4 місяці тому +12

    This guy makes so much sense. My hero of the day.

  • @watomb
    @watomb 4 місяці тому +26

    They need to move headquarters back to Seattle and have them sit with engineers. They should also fire any manager that was never engineer

    • @neeneko
      @neeneko 4 місяці тому +1

      I am not sure getting rid of the MBAs would realy do it though. there are plenty of engineers in the upper ranks, but they were promoted because they had the same culture/values as the people running the place, so they are just as bad.

    • @watomb
      @watomb 4 місяці тому

      @@neeneko when ceo talks about travel all the time there your sign of a problem. Many people with MBA have engineering degrees

  • @Newlyfound
    @Newlyfound 4 місяці тому +73

    I was apprentice aircraft technician and guys in my hanger were calling problems with the max way before it took to the skies, saying there would be a COG shift issue due to the larger engines.. then bam 2 crashes caused by some software that wouldn't even be needed if the aircraft didn't want to tip backwards in-flight because it's not balanced. This whole aircraft fleet and project needs to be scrapped.

    • @BS-eh1zf
      @BS-eh1zf 4 місяці тому +13

      As much as I love to rant about the 737 Max and the creative engineering they had come up with to make these bigger engines and longer planes work (e.g. the telecope gear on the -10s) I have to say that's not correct. The 737 Max is not unstable (even not a little bit). The MCAS system was only introduced to emulate the behaviour during late go arounds. In this situation the Max has a bigger pitch up tendency than the previous 737 NG. This could have been solved with simulator training for flightcrews. But this additional training effort would have been a major(?) drawback in comparison to the A320 where transitioning from ceo to neo doesn't require additional simulator training. So Boeing opted to build the MCAS and made two mistakes. Not pointing it out enough to the flight crews and not implementing it fail safe in the first place.

    • @ljthirtyfiver
      @ljthirtyfiver 4 місяці тому +3

      @@BS-eh1zfthey could’ve jus made the aircraft taller (as tall as the Airbus) and fit in the engines exactly as they are on the NG . I mean sure it’s too simple a fix but they changed the aircraft aerodynamically anyway which led them to install that overcompensating mcas system. But really the problem stems from the aircraft being too short . The neos have bigger engines but because the Airbus has the height of a respectable plane it was no issue. From the pilots perspective in the cockpit ….the aircraft is severely outdated but bearable .

    • @martinwhite418
      @martinwhite418 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@ljthirtyfiver How would you make the Max "taller"?

    • @ljthirtyfiver
      @ljthirtyfiver 4 місяці тому

      @@martinwhite418 they changed the landing gear on the max ten I’m sure they could’ve done it overall . That’s assuming we’re still talking about not overhauling the 737 in the first place which is what they should’ve done .

    • @sergiosilveira5235
      @sergiosilveira5235 4 місяці тому

      ​@@BS-eh1zfYou can say that for a thousand years and people you continue saying BS. Heavier engines will move CG to the front thus making the aircraft even more stable. But people will continue saying the max is some kind of unstable fighter aircraft

  • @Johntheheadache
    @Johntheheadache 4 місяці тому +88

    Part of the process to re-certify the Max 9 airworthiness should include : If another plane goes down, Boeing's CEO should immediately be taken into custody.

    • @harveysmith100
      @harveysmith100 4 місяці тому +9

      If they made that law, watch the safety return

    • @kingsleykronkk3925
      @kingsleykronkk3925 4 місяці тому +6

      Will happen... When pigs can fly.

    • @GSHAPIROY
      @GSHAPIROY 4 місяці тому +2

      Good idea!

    • @rizwanwasi7019
      @rizwanwasi7019 4 місяці тому +8

      Real culprit ran away with 65 million bucks as bonus after causing 300 deaths.

    • @deang5622
      @deang5622 4 місяці тому +1

      The planes experiencing difficulties are down to assembly problems which is not to do with the certification process.
      The FAA certification process is not an assembly line quality management system (QMS).
      The issue of the engine de-icer is a certification issue.
      The MCAS was a certification issue.

  • @alessandropbr
    @alessandropbr 4 місяці тому +11

    "Sometimes commercial interests have to just take the back seat for safety. As a matter of fact, always".
    Perfect!

  • @beanotraffini681
    @beanotraffini681 4 місяці тому +11

    My brother had Boeing as a major client until a couple of years ago (when he retired), and he said it was common knowledge amongst the staff at the company that they were building airplanes too quickly and should slow production way down!

  • @Archonch
    @Archonch 4 місяці тому +12

    Total respect for this captain.

  • @redwithblackstripes
    @redwithblackstripes 4 місяці тому +42

    Rudder assemblies with missing bolts, what the fuck? What kind of madness is going on!

    • @ahndeux
      @ahndeux 4 місяці тому +2

      The bolts are not missing on the rudder assemblies. The guy has no clue what he is saying or misspoke. The nuts on some of the tie rod bolts were either loose or it came off on the control links. Its likely the person who installed it didn't install the locking cotter pin and the nut vibrated loose. Luckily, the bolt was still attached so the rudder was still able to actuate. It was found by a mechanic doing inspection in the area. It might have been a one-time issue, but an alert bulletin was sent out for airlines to make sure there were no other similar incidents. We haven't heard of other similar findings on other airplanes after the bullet was sent out.
      As for the door plug, that was a different situation. Other airlines found loose bolts in that assembly and its not clear at this point what caused those bolts to become loose.

    • @allgrainbrewer10
      @allgrainbrewer10 4 місяці тому +5

      What’s happening? DEI is everywhere

    • @alexwyler4570
      @alexwyler4570 4 місяці тому

      No. just Greed. Reaganism. "corporate raiding". The less skilled workers Boeing has, the more the stock prices go up, the more the executives bonuses go up. International businesses are just a cash grab, building a product is irrelevant. The executives will cash-grab everything out of Boeing until there is no Boeing and gazillion people lose their jobs. The Capitalism of today. @@allgrainbrewer10

    • @user-tt6il2up4o
      @user-tt6il2up4o 4 місяці тому

      ⁠, yes but it happens on junk made by Boeing.
      We don’t see this on airbus.
      Comac planes are safer than Boeing

    • @Pomelu
      @Pomelu 4 місяці тому +2

      That’s a bit more alarming than the doors😅

  • @BrownsburgKevin
    @BrownsburgKevin 4 місяці тому +22

    When accountants run an aerospace company.

  • @Hypersonic-es6vh
    @Hypersonic-es6vh 4 місяці тому +14

    I find it hard to believe what the pilot said : If he doesn't switch off the engine anti-ice / the defroster in clear air then the cowling on the engine could break off and damage the plane. Is it me, or am I going nuts ... the FAA still lets these planes fly people around when their lives are potentially in danger. I am never getting on a Boeing ! I am only going to fly on Airbus !

    • @Jitterbuggn
      @Jitterbuggn 4 місяці тому +1

      Great, an airline that services places with temperatures 45 degrees below zero now has to have their pilots remember they can’t run the de-ice/defrost for more than a few minutes at a time. I don’t believe in supernatural “signs” but I really am feeling like the universe is warning me to cancel my trip to Alaska next month.

    • @Hypersonic-es6vh
      @Hypersonic-es6vh 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Jitterbuggn Hey friend, if you are booked on a Boeing 737 then maybe you should cancel your trip to Alaska next month, it is better to be safe than sorry ! Good luck !

    • @Rasscasse
      @Rasscasse 3 місяці тому

      @@Jitterbuggn
      You don’t need to cancel your trip, just don’t go on a Boeing 737 Max anything .

    • @chris22capt
      @chris22capt 3 місяці тому

      It's not hard to believe that: FAA had issued airworthiness directive on that issue months ago...

  • @user-ml3kf4yg8c
    @user-ml3kf4yg8c 4 місяці тому +30

    Fly Airbus: See the world...
    Fly Boeing: See the next one...

    • @ahndeux
      @ahndeux 4 місяці тому +1

      Airbus is lucky a passenger noticed that four rivets were missing on their wings and the flight was cancelled. It can happen to any airplane so don't be so smug. There was a time when Airbus had way more issues.

    • @dutchsailor6620
      @dutchsailor6620 4 місяці тому +1

      @@ahndeux At least they learned from it.

    • @gonenguldal5782
      @gonenguldal5782 4 місяці тому +2

      @@ahndeux that was not airbus’ fault. The aircraft did not come off the factory with four rivets missing. It was probably a maintenance issue.
      And I cant really remember when Airbus had issues but I can count many fatal issues with Boeing. Remember the 737 rudder problems in the 90’s ?? How many 737’s crashed because of that?
      Can you give me an example like this for airbus planes?

    • @ahndeux
      @ahndeux 4 місяці тому +1

      @@gonenguldal5782 Well, Boeing didn't cause the wheel to come off the 757 but its still blamed on them because its a Boeing.
      You really opened up a can of worms if you ask me to name Airbus issues. Let's start with AOA sensor issues similar to the ones on Boeing 737Max. You might want to look into flight GXL888T, Lufthansa flight 1829 or Air France Flight 447.
      On GXL888T, 7 crew member died on an "acceptance" flight because two AOA sensors failed and killed everyone on board. Luckily, it was not flying passengers or everyone would have died also.
      On LH1829, 109 people almost died on the Airbus A321. Two bad AOA sensors caused the airplane to drop more than 4000 feet in less than a minute. They were lucky the airplane was high enough to recover.
      On Air France 447, 228 people died on an Airbus A320. The pitot tubes were plugged and the bad air speed data caused the accident.
      There are many other examples. Crashes are not just a Boeing problem.

    • @ahndeux
      @ahndeux 4 місяці тому

      @@gonenguldal5782 The is a whole history on the 737 rudder reversal issue caused by the PCU servo.
      The problem was so hard to discover that NTSB had the PCU from at least two crashes and ran thousands of cycles of test on them without a single failure. It took the NTSB almost 7 years before they figured out the problem finally.
      It turned out the only way to get them to fail is to super cool the hydraulic fluid going into the servo and then suddenly subject it to extremely hot hydraulic fluid in a process called thermal shocking it. The conditions has to be perfect such that the servos are exposed to extreme cold and then suddenly shocked with hot fluid.
      Only under that extreme condition, the servo could direct fluid into the wrong ports and cause the controls to reverse. It was extremely rare and only happens when the airplanes are cruising in extreme cold climate, descends slowly and is suddenly subjected to super hot hydraulic fluid. It was one of the most difficult investigations the NTSB ever had and nobody ever expected that to happen prior to these incidence.
      The part was made by Parker Hannifin Corporation and they make many hydraulic components for Airbus planes also. It could have easily happened to Airbus. Neither Boeing nor Airbus directly designed these PCU units.

  • @bartofilms
    @bartofilms 4 місяці тому +19

    'When People are Rushing They make Mistakes...'.

  • @p0ssiblypossiblynot557
    @p0ssiblypossiblynot557 4 місяці тому +88

    This is what Complete Corporate Capture looks like.....

    • @alberthendricks342
      @alberthendricks342 4 місяці тому

      And the Us Supreme Court is about to weaken many already too weak government agencies. Go Republicans Go

    • @christopho3255
      @christopho3255 4 місяці тому

      ​@@fredferd965 The storm will surely come if the people do not speak up....

    • @SRSR-pc8ti
      @SRSR-pc8ti 4 місяці тому

      Passenger checklist: 1. O2 mask 2. Parachute.

    • @LexYeen
      @LexYeen 4 місяці тому

      ​@@fredferd965sir, are you aware of Boeing's history of regulatory capture due to political lobbying? or are you just looking for cheap shots at a political ideology you've been propagandized to hate unthinkingly?

    • @pibbles-a-plenty1105
      @pibbles-a-plenty1105 4 місяці тому

      @@LexYeen What else do you expect from a Republican?

  • @williamjones7163
    @williamjones7163 4 місяці тому +16

    Boeing used to be run by engineers. Now Boeing is run by accountants. Safety is not a word accountants know how to spell. Safety is a byword that engineers live by.

    • @lewisg1736
      @lewisg1736 4 місяці тому

      Correction: Boeing is run by greedy stockholders

    • @forrestsmith9235
      @forrestsmith9235 3 місяці тому +1

      Same same in medicine, which used to be run by doctors but now it’s run by bottom-line business bureaucrats.

    • @zokonjazokonja
      @zokonjazokonja 3 місяці тому

      ​@@forrestsmith9235and by farmecautic industry

  • @cqbarnieify
    @cqbarnieify 4 місяці тому +97

    The Boeing MBAs running the company, as well as the entire Boeing board, they all need to lose their jobs. Their entire management needs to be made up of engineers again. They need to return back to the way they ran before they merged with MacDonald Douglass.

    • @theblondeone8426
      @theblondeone8426 4 місяці тому +5

      agreed

    • @theblondeone8426
      @theblondeone8426 4 місяці тому +4

      ppl based in science need to run it again

    • @rickyayy
      @rickyayy 4 місяці тому +3

      Zero engineers up top. Use to have many. Not anymore.

    • @garylee965
      @garylee965 4 місяці тому +3

      Need to be removed and jailed

    • @thecomedypilot5894
      @thecomedypilot5894 4 місяці тому +2

      So get rid of wokeism and DEI is what you’re saying.

  • @EAFXtrader
    @EAFXtrader 4 місяці тому +11

    Boeing made a massive mistake by constantly bringing out updated and different versions of the 737. The first 737 flew way back in the 60's. They should have instead introduced a brand new aircraft about 30 years ago, instead they sat back and let Airbus become the dominant manufacturer in this market.

  • @samspade8612
    @samspade8612 4 місяці тому +19

    Seems they also neglected to tell aircrew the cockpit door opens on a rapid decompression. Better stock up on those Post-Its.

    • @JimmieBrown-sg8fq
      @JimmieBrown-sg8fq 4 місяці тому +2

      I am buying stock in 3M 😂😂😂 ! Wonder if parachutes will be issued no cost at checkin for folks sitting on the door plug aisles?

    • @dannysnyder6791
      @dannysnyder6791 4 місяці тому

      This is common sense based on the pressure applied to the door and the mechanisms holding it closed.

    • @johnchow8372
      @johnchow8372 3 місяці тому +2

      Is the cockpit door opening a feature or is that an error? Rapid decompression also in the cockpit can cause the captain to blackout etc!

  • @Chris-Nico
    @Chris-Nico 4 місяці тому +12

    Thank you Captain for stressing these ridiculous exemptions!! My son flys the 737 for UAL.

  • @David-zy1jw
    @David-zy1jw 4 місяці тому +5

    FAA management go work for Boeing as "consultants" after retirement, this is the same FAA that allows Boeing to approve their own safety checks. Don't hold your breath.

  • @stormrunner0029
    @stormrunner0029 4 місяці тому +31

    “No job is so important that we can’t do it safely.”

    • @mikearakelian6368
      @mikearakelian6368 3 місяці тому

      I was fortunate enough to do my own maintenance on my transport category a/c; FO was an AP wrenched on our ac every day; everything worked all certified parts.and always bucked managmet for parts; just take them out of the shop...

  • @user-gm9cx3bt1f
    @user-gm9cx3bt1f 4 місяці тому +23

    That's how it sounds when competent people talk!
    Take a listen, Calhoun!

    • @TheRealWindlePoons
      @TheRealWindlePoons 3 місяці тому +1

      "Take a listen, Calhoun!"
      You assume that an incompetent person can understand a competent one. After 40 years as an engineer my experience tells me this is seldom the case.

  • @outermarker5801
    @outermarker5801 4 місяці тому +50

    I'd heard something about the Max anti icing system but had no idea it was this bad. If you leave it on in clear air (presumably after passing though cloud/icing conditions), the heat can make engine cowlings fly off???
    Are they going to fix that??

    • @YouMakeItHappen
      @YouMakeItHappen 4 місяці тому +6

      he said Boeing needs 2.5yrs to fix it.

    • @outermarker5801
      @outermarker5801 4 місяці тому +6

      @@YouMakeItHappen Yeah I posted before watching the whole thing.
      That's 2.5 years hoping a planetload of 737 pilots never forget this as Maxes enter their fleets 🙄

    • @adennis200
      @adennis200 4 місяці тому +6

      Lets put it that way: if they wont fix it, its only a matter WHEN and not IF something deadly is going to happen... So They better fix it otherwise I see many heads rolling, boeing being done forever etc

    • @gigmaresh8772
      @gigmaresh8772 4 місяці тому

      Actually this engine was the fix
      The original JT8D engine on 737s were fine
      Then Boeing took a great little aircraft and grew it and grew it and grew it . . . kinda like Ford does with all of their popular model of cars.
      In order to get the wonderful little plane to pull it weight it needed the CFM56 BUT that engine would have scraped the ground. So they created a pylon to move it up and forward of the wing

    • @lihtan
      @lihtan 4 місяці тому +3

      They'll install an engraved plague in the avionics cluster, so that the pilot doesn't have to use a post-it note! 😆

  • @user-uc6bf5ze3b
    @user-uc6bf5ze3b 4 місяці тому +24

    Avionics on the NG 10 years we always had a week of classroom training for each new type. Then it became 3 days. Then mostly on a computer under pressure to get finished so you can get to work. The max started arriving for acceptance checks , and some of the crew went to training and I was scheduled to go. We were told it was ok to install wifi. Then when training time arrived I was told I was qualified because of my wifi experience of two weeks. When I started in avionics I was sent for seven weeks of classroom training in the first year. .....

  • @petervonbleichert9688
    @petervonbleichert9688 4 місяці тому +5

    Thanks, Cap’, for helping keep us safe

  • @gayluinstra1396
    @gayluinstra1396 4 місяці тому +3

    They put a more energy-efficient, newly designed larger engine on an existing plane model which was not designed to accommodate the larger engine size. It had to be repositioned to a different place on the plane than the original sized engine model. That changed the aerodynamics of the airplane.

  • @FrogandFlangeVideo
    @FrogandFlangeVideo 4 місяці тому +6

    BTW- the panel blowout is actually called an off-airport panel removal.

  • @int53185
    @int53185 4 місяці тому +14

    There is no quality control. If there was this never would have happened.

  • @sstrick500
    @sstrick500 4 місяці тому +11

    2.5 years to fix a heating element. In that case, its going to take me about 38 years to get a load of laundry done.

    • @neeneko
      @neeneko 4 місяці тому

      Eh, that bit does not surprise me. I work on another aircraft, and am seeing issues that will probably not be scheduled to be worked on till 2030.

  • @borisbadaxe9678
    @borisbadaxe9678 4 місяці тому +5

    Boeing: The noise you hear when a part falls off your airplane. 🤔

  • @sheilathailand1903
    @sheilathailand1903 4 місяці тому +51

    Note to self....sit in front of the wing. This is terrifying.

    • @IAmTheChan
      @IAmTheChan 4 місяці тому +3

      And airlines charge you more for the seats in those front rows.

    • @garfieldsmith332
      @garfieldsmith332 4 місяці тому +11

      And when the window blows open get sucked into the engine. Two choices, hit the engine or the engine hits you.

    • @ChrisAndCats
      @ChrisAndCats 4 місяці тому +1

      And avoid the door.

    • @ockertbrits6907
      @ockertbrits6907 4 місяці тому +2

      Note too self; don't fly ith Boeing 737 xxxx.

    • @philleggitt3005
      @philleggitt3005 4 місяці тому

      If the tail goes down, the nose will follow...

  • @johan7781
    @johan7781 4 місяці тому +2

    The compatibility issue arises from the larger engines on the 737 MAX, highlighting a challenge with retrofitting. It raises concerns about Boeing's decision to persist with a design originating in the 60s. While the sales pitch emphasized minimal training needs, the MAX's significant differences from the standard 737 have become evident.

  • @waynejpark560
    @waynejpark560 3 місяці тому +3

    Great comments Captain.

  • @Stetsonhatman
    @Stetsonhatman 4 місяці тому +10

    Nice to hear from a Max pilot and he is as disgusted with Boeing as well and rightfully so.

  • @marcd1981
    @marcd1981 3 місяці тому +1

    Thank you Captain Tajer for speaking out, and thank you NewsNation for getting this information out.
    I just retired after 30 years with a commercial airline, working in several areas of what is now called Technical Operations (Tech Ops), but what I still call Aircraft Maintenance. I was a technician, an Instructor, a Supervisor, and the position I retired from was called a Senior Compliance Specialist. We worked as liaisons between the FAA and the company, making sure everyone was working in compliance with all rules, regulations, policies and procedures.
    When there were errors made, we ensured the individual(s) involved, the FAA, and the company were all on the same page with what happened, how and why it happened, and set up procedures to ensure it didn't happen again. Captain Tajer was spot on when he was asked if the inspections were performed, and he stated if they were, they weren't done in compliance.
    Unfortunately, there are shortcuts developed over a long career that get the aircraft signed off and back in service, but many times these shortcuts eventually result in some type of incident, such as what we are seeing here with Boeing. You can only get lucky so many times before this happens.

  • @nextfriiday
    @nextfriiday 4 місяці тому +12

    Ya have know how the max 8 got here. It’s the 737 ng design with bigger engines and effing software to make it fly, because it doesn’t want to fly. A newly designed 737 was needed, but didn’t happen. Boeing rushed the max to market to compete with airbus. Dumb!

  • @DaleSteel
    @DaleSteel 4 місяці тому +15

    I think we need to know more about anti ice issue

  • @Screaming-Trees
    @Screaming-Trees 3 місяці тому +2

    "A disaster waiting to happen" is a perfect way to put it.

  • @BlueDays_BlackKnights
    @BlueDays_BlackKnights 4 місяці тому +7

    Well spoken Captain Tajer.

  • @bazoo513
    @bazoo513 4 місяці тому +4

    1:30 - I beg to differ. It _was_ good luck that nobody was in those seats, but to bring the still structurally sound aircraft to under 10,000 ft after a decompression event was not a "miracle", that's something every pilot should be able to do in their sleep.

    • @Rasscasse
      @Rasscasse 3 місяці тому +1

      It was more luck than miracle
      Lucky that it didn’t happen 32,000 feet!
      That’s a long way down to 10,000 feet so everybody can breathe normally .

    • @bazoo513
      @bazoo513 3 місяці тому

      @@Rasscasse Still within 15 minutes supply of oxygen, but, yes, there would probably be casualties.

    • @Rasscasse
      @Rasscasse 3 місяці тому

      But what would have happened to the contents of the cabin in that 15 minutes with the hole in the side at 32,000 feet?

    • @bazoo513
      @bazoo513 3 місяці тому

      @@Rasscasse The main problem would be extremely cold outside air, but that would still be survivable. Remember that Aloha 243 flight of a 19 years old Boeing 737-200 that lost good chunk of its rook at 24k feet, with only casualty being a flight attendant swept out by the rushing air?

  • @thoso1973
    @thoso1973 4 місяці тому +13

    Reading that the Alaska accident was a result of the plug door bolts missing. Apparently Spirit/Boeing replaced the rubber seal band in the door and they decided to just 'open' the door instead of 'removing' it for the job - because opening the door for replacing the seal, does not require an inspector to control the work and sign off the paperwork!
    Boeing's motto should be 'Greed before safety'. The FAA apparently agrees.

  • @stephendavidbailey2743
    @stephendavidbailey2743 4 місяці тому +2

    Lots of folks saying that the problem comes from McDonnell Douglas. But I never felt scared on an MD80. I cannot say the same about about flying on a 737.

  • @andythorne6236
    @andythorne6236 3 місяці тому +1

    Thank You Sir for standing up and speaking out. You are an example of how aircrew are critical in maintaining and improving the safety of aviation.

  • @stephenking7012
    @stephenking7012 3 місяці тому +1

    I am avoiding all AIRLINES that fly MAX. For the last 3 years now.
    What a great captain... I want him on my plane

  • @dps1983
    @dps1983 4 місяці тому +2

    This is very true what captain have said in this interview.All that businesses are worried now is the profits.

  • @danajorgensen1358
    @danajorgensen1358 4 місяці тому +4

    What this guy really means is... The FAA has to start doing its job again. All these issues, going all the way back to the Dreamliner issues more than a decade ago, all stem from the FAA handing off its responsibility to thoroughly inspect aircraft as they are manufactured to the manufacturers responsible for manufacturing the aircraft in the first place. This amounts to leaving the responsibility to lock the door to the henhouse nightly to the fox, then asking who let the fox into the henhouse after hundreds of chickens have died.

  • @wt3447
    @wt3447 4 місяці тому +3

    Where are the congressmen now? We need them to focus on the right thing. We need to hold both FAA and Boeing accountable for their miss behavior.

  • @user-es4iu7ls2o
    @user-es4iu7ls2o 4 місяці тому +3

    Captain, you look tired. But thank you for your very wise words may I pray that you NEVER find yourself forced into a corner. Fly safe sir.

  • @CaneBTC
    @CaneBTC 4 місяці тому +8

    Exploding engines? The Max program needs to be scrapped.

    • @bobdevreeze4741
      @bobdevreeze4741 4 місяці тому

      They don't explode... Spontaneous disassembly brings on unplanned off airport landings. page 27 , Boeing 's Don't Blame Me Manual.

    • @CaneBTC
      @CaneBTC 4 місяці тому

      Along with high velocity unexpected vertical landing events where teeth roots are considered the best source of DNA to match the checked bags @@bobdevreeze4741

  • @only_1_kinobi
    @only_1_kinobi 4 місяці тому +13

    If it’s Boeing I ain’t going

  • @nimaljaya5431
    @nimaljaya5431 4 місяці тому +27

    This sounds similar to the Submersible tragedy last year. Shortcuts and cost saving, now putting people at risk

    • @daisy1720
      @daisy1720 4 місяці тому +4

      Didn't the submersible use Boeing parts? 😬

    • @Robert_Keel
      @Robert_Keel 4 місяці тому

      Similar, but different.
      A working quality management system would have prevented this.
      The fact that Boeing does not have a functioning QMS puts ALL of its work in doubt.

  • @BruceLevickbrusca
    @BruceLevickbrusca 4 місяці тому +7

    My holidays are now planned based on wherever this guy flies.

  • @Bolinas1
    @Bolinas1 4 місяці тому +4

    WTF, this is really scary stuff. 😮

  • @erikaquatsch2190
    @erikaquatsch2190 2 місяці тому

    Thank-you, Captain Tajer, for your aviation service and for taking your time to bring more awareness to the public of safety in flying.

  • @Elizabeth-tg7jo
    @Elizabeth-tg7jo 4 місяці тому +1

    This was a great video - definitely worth my time. TY

  • @mr3745
    @mr3745 4 місяці тому +4

    Remember this is what DT voters wanted, less regulation. It’s going to make America less safe and hand our proud commercial aircraft industry to Airbus.

  • @CaneBTC
    @CaneBTC 4 місяці тому +6

    Never seen that host, welcome if you are new

  • @redwolf6724
    @redwolf6724 4 місяці тому +3

    This Is Some Scary Times That Boeing Is Still In Business And Suppling Airplanes After The MCAS Incident!!!!

  • @user-ql7yv7zx5s
    @user-ql7yv7zx5s 4 місяці тому +2

    As a Captain myself, I have seen it myself, like most government agencies, the FAA has became political, follow the money!!! How many politicians are in bed with Boeing and other companies.

  • @holykrishna
    @holykrishna 4 місяці тому +8

    “commercial interest must take a back seat to safety”

  • @nz6241
    @nz6241 4 місяці тому +1

    I applaud this Pilot for telling it like it is.
    The fact that "new" airplane model has so much built-in defect when it is released for use is disturbing.

  • @collinfraser1218
    @collinfraser1218 3 місяці тому

    As a retired GA pilot, my heart goes out to this gentleman and all his colleagues. Not being confident there have not been critical bolts left on a bench, is insane ! Boeing - Get a grip ! Now !
    Their motivation to move production to the highest bidder states and Countries was motivated by execs and shareholders greed.
    Perhaps passengers and pilots refusing to fly Boeing for a couple of months might motivate the Execs and bean counters to fly straight !
    This latest door debacle boggles my mind ! !

  • @handymatt1970
    @handymatt1970 4 місяці тому +10

    everyone knows faa is in boing's pocket

  • @Fuff63
    @Fuff63 4 місяці тому +7

    Seemed like the old 737 was proven to be a really good design. Simpler. Why change?

    • @kieronmcginty2763
      @kieronmcginty2763 4 місяці тому

      Trying to keep up with A320 neo.

    • @davidwright7193
      @davidwright7193 4 місяці тому +2

      Because the newer engines on the A320 neo had a 20% lower fuel burn and the newer avionics in the A320 family are just safer. The 737 series still doesn't have a real time in cockpit error reporting system. Most faults just light the same warning button and sound the same alarm.

    • @gonenguldal5782
      @gonenguldal5782 4 місяці тому

      Yea they should have kept building the same airplane for 100 years

    • @PeacefulRallyCar-pw3cs
      @PeacefulRallyCar-pw3cs 4 місяці тому

      There was a shift from spoke and hub network to point to point.

  • @EngelsAviation
    @EngelsAviation 4 місяці тому +2

    unacceptable….

  • @kbd25
    @kbd25 3 місяці тому +1

    Great Captain. It’s probably a pleasure and a sensation of safety to fly with this man.

  • @simongills2051
    @simongills2051 3 місяці тому

    Wow. That pilot put it so eloquently. American pilots are of such high standards. Hi from the UK.

  • @CrashTestPrivate
    @CrashTestPrivate 4 місяці тому +2

    If it’s Boeing, I ain’t going.

  • @Arcwol
    @Arcwol 4 місяці тому +1

    This is crazy!

  • @Brisco1
    @Brisco1 4 місяці тому +3

    The MAX is inherently unstable, it needs software to correct for the displaced center of gravity. What the heck Boeing?

  • @beagle7622
    @beagle7622 4 місяці тому +2

    This is serious stuff. This is basic Aircraft Construction. My concern is what other underlying problems are there in that aircraft.

  • @hotttt28
    @hotttt28 4 місяці тому +2

    Thanks skipper !

  • @nycalien
    @nycalien 4 місяці тому +3

    Unions, Boeing got rid of Unions by moving their manufacturing to SC from Seattle. Because Boeing cannot force assembly line workers to rush. Under Unions if you're rushed by the managers (who is non union), the worker can report that to the union representative. In SC, their assembly line workers are no different than a fast food line worker. Even they saw something wrong, they don't have anyone to report to.

  • @s9523pink
    @s9523pink 4 місяці тому

    Wow.. excellent commentary!

  • @kathieharine5982
    @kathieharine5982 4 місяці тому +5

    I wish Santa Fe would bring back the Super Chief. I rode it years ago several times in a bedroom with my sisters and mother. Airplanes are scary now.

    • @Augfordpdoggie
      @Augfordpdoggie 4 місяці тому +1

      wish this lady would bring back her hair

  • @sexynelson100
    @sexynelson100 4 місяці тому

    747 will still always be my favourite

  • @samuelarduino
    @samuelarduino 4 місяці тому +3

    could someone elaborate on this big flaw: the selfcertification process?!

  • @garfieldsmith332
    @garfieldsmith332 4 місяці тому +10

    The new motto for air travellers. "If it's Boeing; I'm not going". Pilots union needs to take a stand.

  • @DrewWithington
    @DrewWithington 4 місяці тому +1

    The current Boeing CEO is an accountant. Nuff said.

  • @exeterline1930
    @exeterline1930 4 місяці тому +3

    I can't believe they expect PASSENGERS and THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES to risk their lives everytime they fly these lemons. They have the nerve to look them in the eye.

  • @petervandolah5322
    @petervandolah5322 3 місяці тому

    Excellent...

  • @KO-im6sm
    @KO-im6sm 4 місяці тому +2

    When you say max what model?

    • @Rasscasse
      @Rasscasse 3 місяці тому

      The Alaskan door plug blowout was on a Max 9
      The two crashes in 2018/2019
      which killed 346 people were Max 8s
      Boeing next want to certify the Max 10 and then the Max 7

  • @geneticdisorder1900
    @geneticdisorder1900 4 місяці тому +1

    THANK YOU CAPTAIN !!! 🧑‍✈️

  • @user-bu5mj4bk6v
    @user-bu5mj4bk6v 3 місяці тому

    Absolutely right . I’m an airline pilot I’m definitely agree with him We should stop now take a break find a better solution before a disaster happens we carry a hundreds of family members every day and our job is to keep everyone safe so FAA and Boeing should do better than that