Great review. Allow me to share some of my experience with M3 2021 RWD LFP after 40 000 km I have 2% degradation and it goes like this: - I use always in cold weather Precondition at the start of a trip in the morning, afternoon, night - I charge at home at 3 - 7 kw AC from 25 - 100% - keep the limit at 100% when charging - even if you will STOP the charging after some time - Charge until 100% once a week and if you can do it from 10% - 100% and using AC 11kw !!! This will calibrate the cells and you will not generate heat into battery - I charge at DC fast-charger using 50 / 75 / 100 kw - at supercharger I use only when I'm in a long trip and I use Precondition and level of charging between 15 - 90% Keep in mind that "heat is the one that is killing the battery" therefore I'm happy to charge at DC@50,75,100 kw even if I lose more time My car when it was new the battery had 52,8 kwh net capacity. Now after 2 years I have 51,8 kwh and at speed of constant 130 km/h on highway I managed to pool-out from the battery 51 kwh The number of charging cycles is 185 and an LFP is rated (estimated) more than 1500 - 2500 cycles with low degradation. Regards.
Thx, Adrian, great feedback. I charge at home 90% of the time with 11kW and it works perfectly. Long trips are rare for us and it is of course a luxury problem when one has to charge 15 mins longer in cold weather. My full in-depth test of the Model 3 Highland will be uploaded in a few days with more info. Overall the Model 3 is excellent.
@@ddtddt2165 NO, ITS TIME SPENT AT PEAK VOLTAGES, and high temperatures. Research by INL, Recurrent, Geotab, the Dutch/Belgian Tesla battery database and Dr Dahn shows no difference in degradation between Supercharged and standard charged vehicles. ua-cam.com/video/pOQQTwYkg08/v-deo.html
@@curon_licentia youtube doesn't let links, or to be precise, youtube bots delete comments left and right with links , EVEN IF they are from youtube. I know for a fact that all of my comments disappear shortly after.. So you can't mention any sources on this platform as a rule of thumb. But secondly, if you need him to give you a source when what that user stated is common knowledge you can find on any serious review and in depth discussion by intelligent people regarding EV tech, you are the problem. You are like the nay sayer that demands people prove him air exists because he can't feel it or touch it, therefore air is a lie. Common sense after you researched a bit into the field lets you know both air is true and supercharging/rapid charging/fast charging have an extra effect on battery health . You can find for yourself testimony for this fact from many sources.
07:00 LFP battery is still not warm enough. NCMA batteries (LR) need about 1hour fast driving.. LFP even more. and LR has dual motor. 2x 6kW heating by bringing the rotos in some state where they generate loss / heat.
It is what it is, but compared to other brands it is annoying. It is very impractical to have to pre-heat for 60-90 minutes. I am sure this issue will be soon resolved.
@@morten_hannesbo Other brands have issues in winter too. That's are the technical limitations, the battery will always need some time in cold weather to heat up, this can't be solved with an update.
Thx, yes. In general the 800V-cars do much better, eg Hyundai Ionic or BMW iX. I was disappointed by the Tesla as it should do 110-115 kW at least after 90 mins driving and 45 mins preheating
@@morten_hannesbo If you don't preheat while driving, the heatpump will even suck heat out of the battery (in your case 90min long), so preheating is very important. :) The Ioniq 5 and the BMW iX (the last one has not 800V architecture) also have different battery chemistry (NMC), those cells don't need to be heated that much like a LFP battery for charging - but on the other hand have their own downsides.
We have a 2022 model 3 LFP and live in QC Canada. Winter temperatures regularly go below -20c and the trick to obtain good charging speeds in cold weather is to precondition before every departure and always navigate to a Supercharger. We often travel 700km journeys in the winter, this requires 3 stops of approximately 20 minutes each 5% to 80% even below -20c.
@@emiletabbakh Here's my philosophy regarding AWD or RWD. Yes AWD will allow you to accelerate faster in bad conditions, but in my experience this is only a minor benefit. With good winter tires we've never had any issues keeping up with traffic, city, rural roads, or highway, no issues. If Tesla made an LFP battery version of AWD vehicle, this is what I would get. IMO the best Model 3 and Y are the RWD because of the LFP battery. We're now over 1000,000 km and the GOM shows 416 km range instead of 428 km when new. And we Supercharge 40% of the time.
Really great report. Watching just 2 videos made me to subscribe to your channel immediately. It feels like coming to “professional place” - if UA-cam has more senior experts like you, Morten, only better 👍
Thank you for watching, pleased you like the video. Do have a look at the other videos with the LR: 2024 Tesla Model 3 Long Range Highland ua-cam.com/video/1kaChbXZY0E/v-deo.html
Thanks for the information! I'm waiting for my RWD to arrive this month and, honestly, I am looking for people's experience with the car and all I see is the same thing in every video. Thankfully, I managed to find your video where you actually give more useful info from possible daily struggles.
@@DanielGeorgievOfficialwe also have the RWD and got it 4 mos ago. We haven’t driven it or experienced it in the rain. Have you? And how does it handle in heavy rain? 🌧️ thanks in advance!
@@markanthony5719 I already passed 10 000 kilometres. Had the chance to drive in heavy rain and heavy fog. I can say it handles better than my old 2001 Mercedes w203, for sure. It's more stable on the road. Despite saying that! Be aware that if you step on that pedal in heavy rain, you're definitely gonna feel the back wheels "slip". With that being said, I'm sure you're not going to regret it!
@@DanielGeorgievOfficial thank you! That’s awesome to hear! I also hear some people say they change the driving option to “Chill” mode so one is easier on the pedal. 😂😂😂
Completely agree with your criticism towards the wipers. The choice of relying solely on cameras for rain detection is probably going too far with the mantra of "no-part-is-a-good-part". Here in the dark Danish winters, the rain sensing/wiper speed is very dependent on ambient lights. Drive under a street lamp and the wipers go full tilt. Drive on rural roads without any other light sources and the almost refuse to do a wipe.. I have almost lost hope that they will ever improve.
I’ve almost completely stopped using cruise control or autopilot (except in perfect daylight conditions) since an update in 2022, that disabled the radar in my late 2019 Model 3. There was some phantom breaking, but very little before that. Tesla Vision is nervous, and when I can’t turn off the silly auto wipers it has become a poor experience. I heard experts advised Elon to use a tried and trusted standard rain sensor, but of course he went for cameras… 🤦🏼♂️
Tesla owners in the USA with the FSD beta are saying that the wipers are much better now. Once it's perfected I'm sure that the update will roll out to all of us.
You have a manual override option for your wipers when you activate the wipers, if you know you are going on a trip you can also precondition the battery from your app for faster supercharging speeds.
this should be automatically recognized... The car should do such things for me as I don't care of the technics of supercharging my car... that is a huge bug !
You can manually control the wipers as soon as you push the button! It pops up on the bottom left of the screen whenever you push the button on the steering wheel. The auto is basically useless at the moment.
Thank you for your good review👍🏻. All details on point. My experience is also with AWD, two motors with heat power of 6KW each, you will not get max charge power under very cold conditions. The only way is to use preconditioning before departure at home. But that increases the total consumption but save charging time on the trip.
Good video! You definitely could have made it home on one charge, but at 23% you cant expect super fast charging speeds. If you waited until 10% it would have charged faster. I feel like people pull up at any state of charge and say they are disappointed because its not faster, when its not supposed to charge faster in any conditions at 23% much faster than it did. Either way good video
With the rwd lfp-battery the 45 min preheating might not be enough in cold weather. I have a similar car, MY -21 and when navigating to a supercharger it starts preheating the battery really early (sometimes 1,5-2 hours) before the eta. The heating takes longer with the rwd as there's only one motor to heat up the battery. When the car is able to preheat the battery as long as it needs it can reach over 100 kWh charging speed also in winter conditions. I have experience from this from driving in northern scandinavia in really cold weather. Thanks for the video!
Try to look into the service mode to see real battery temp, as I did the same thing with mine and in 30 mins it didn't reach temp. You really have to heat it up a lot for it to work properly (I saw you started with some dots on the recharge available, It means a lot for the car efficiency) Thanks for your content!
Thankfully I live in Australia. We don't have a problem with the cold even in winter. I very rarely have to heat the battery to condition it. In summer the battery needs to be cooled not heated. I put an order in for the Highland RWD M3 essentially for the ventilated seats. The first thing Ill do is add sun shades to the glass roof. Very rarely use any heating even in winter. Definitely use the air con. Always get great range of course. The lowest temperatures in winter would be around (10 c or 50 f) at about 5am when Im fast asleep lol. Don't ever need to change tyres. What are winter tyres anyway?
What was the SOC (state of charge) of the battery when you arrived to the Supercharger ? And when people will learn that the range shown in the main screen IS NOT what the car will drive, but it’s the EPA/WLTP range ? Look next time in your Energy screen for the range you have given the driving conditions you face. Teslas are on the road for 10 years, I am amazed by the lack of understanding of what the numbers shown on the screen are by some of the Tesla owners.
Hi Voldar 70, I arrived with 23% SoC and had pre-heated the battery for 45 mins. There were 6 Superchargers and only one other vehicle charging, I was the second car charging. The charging speed varied between 76 kW and 94 kW - I know others have experienced even slower charging in cold weather, so I guess it is ok. My private car is an Audi Q4 e-tron 50 and it charges even slower. I have tested Model S Plaid, two different Model Y dual motor, the Model X dual motor and the Model 3 highland - I generally achieve the indicated WLTP or 95% of it, except if I travel up the mountain.
@@morten_hannesbo was the charger a V2 or V3 ? 75 kWh is pretty slow on a LFP battery unless it was power-sharing (it can happen even if only 2 are at the site, if both are adjacent) or the outside temperature was -15 or -10C. The fact that the charging power went up means the battery wasn’t warm enough or the guy near you left the charger. I know for a fact that it takes 25 minutes to bring a battery to the right temperature for the optimal charging speed (if preconditioning before charging was enabled). You said the preconditioning was 45 mins !! Something then was off. As for WLTP range, yeah, maybe at the speeds you have there, you can achieve them. 80 km/h in average is about right for the WLTP range. Unfortunately no one can see the duration of the trip/leg to have an idea of the real driving speed average. Maybe next time, when you add the information about the Wh/km used, you will also add the time needed to cover those km. It will give an insightful information to others about what to expect when driving in temperatures of about 0-1C and in -10C.
These were V2 150 kW Superchargers and only one other vehicle charging with 4 bays between us. I charged the Tesla Model 3 two days before at a V3 charger at 5° C and the speed was ca. 20 kW higher. The average speed was approx 70 km/h because of the poor weather with heavy rain at the beginning ad heavy snow for the rest.
Him Thank you for watching. I noticed this, too, but I just leave it as it is. That is the price you pay for being bald, smile. The Tesla vegan leather normally holds up really well, so I assume I can just wipe it off with a wet cloth or seat cleaner.
Press the wiper button on the steering wheel and then immediately use the left scroll wheel on the steering wheel and press right to control the speed of the wiper. Easy
@@sheabrown Hi, thx. Yes, I know how this works. But it cannot be right that you need to override the system every two minutes and adjust between intermittent and constant all the time. Looking down to the bottom left of the screen at highway speed is even dangerous.
Yes it does. Preheating increases the consumption but much improves the charging speed. Tesla states the benefits are apparent when charging at freezing temperatures, below 0 Celsius. It's quite rare you'll be charging in those circumstances in most countries for the vast majority of the year. It absolutely makes a lot of difference at sub-zero temperatures, where you should try to pre-heat the car before driving at all, not just before charging.
@@morten_hannesbo thanks for your answer, to extend the question, the consumption stated and the number of kWh consumed for an X amount of kilometers, it takes everything into account ? Let's take the Since last charge, I enable Sentry mode sometimes, I preheat the cabin most of the time which consumes around 10% on one full charge (1, 2% in the mornings before work and after aswell). So does this take everything into account ? I am quite enable to match the data. Thanks in advance for your answer
I have 2022 rear drive in cold Canada .Love it ! Had you used navigation to go to the charger the car would have automatically started preconditioning much earlier than when you manually turned it on and your charging would have been faster.
@@FL-kh7iz I did use the pre-con and I set the destination approx 45 mins earlier but the cold temp apparently limits the car's ability to charge faster
Hi. Great video. Thanks. I have the 2024 M3 RWD on reservation. My question is regarding regen braking. How does the car handle it on snowy roads? Does the car have the option to change the setting like in older model?
Hi, thank you for watching. There is an automatic setting for regeneration, whereby the regular braking system takes over. See also the full manual, pages 75/76. www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/Owners_Manual.pdf Here is what the Tesla user manual says: Model 3 uses regenerative braking, the brake pads are typically used less frequently than those in traditional braking systems. To avoid the accumulation of rust and corrosion, Tesla recommends frequently pressing the brake pedal to apply the mechanical brakes and dry the brake pads and rotors. WARNING: In snowy or icy conditions, Model 3 may experience loss of traction during regenerative braking. WARNING: Never rely on your vehicle to adequately decelerate or fully stop your vehicle. Many factors can contribute to a longer stopping distance, including downward slopes and reduced or limited regenerative braking. Always be prepared to use the brake pedal to adequately decelerate or stop. WARNING: Press the brake pedal if Model 3 moves when unsafe to do so. It is your responsibility to stay alert and be in control of the vehicle at all times. Failure to do so can result in serious damage, injury, or death. WARNING: Do not rely on regenerative braking to keep you and your vehicle safe. Various factors such as driving with a heavy vehicle load, on a steep hill, or on wet or icy roads affect deceleration rate and the distance at which Model 3 will come to a stop. Drive attentively and always stay prepared to use the brake pedal to stop as appropriate based on traffic and road conditions.
Thanks for the no nonsense video, found it informative, also it’s refreshing to see once in a while someone with ZH license plates driving safely ;). Regards to charging, it may be that due to the LFP battery you won’t see much higher charging speeds. Also, the lowest percentage you get, the highest charging speed and if you stop at 30 SOC it will be much slower than at 10-15 SOC especially if you give it more time to prepare the battery for supercharging.
The LFP can charge up to 170kW if the battery is warm enough. In cold weather it needs time to heat up the cells and the drive here was simply too short. On long distance travel if you charge after 2-3 hours of driving and the Supercharger-Stop is in the navigation system, the battery will be preheated and warm enough for 170kW even on very cold days. That's my experience after 3 years of Model 3 with LFP battery. ;)
Great video Sir ! Disappointed as well by the charging speed of the highland. Mine was able to peak at 170 or 150 and then dropped to 120 130. Not great but hopefully can increase that. Thanks
Doesn't show if it's a V2 or V3. I can see it's not a V4 based on the rear view mirror. He might also be sharing the charging speed with the car next to him if it's a V2. Too many unknown variables to 100% blame this on the car/software.
Thx for watching. It was a V2 charger with max 150 kW charging at -3 C. A couple of days before I charged at a V3 charger at +5 C with marginal better speed.
great video, intelligent and informative. one question please what are your favorite electric cars, preferrably ones that are avail in the US,ie the ioniq 6 thank you in advance
I own a 2021MY Porsche Taycan 4S and my wife drives a 2022MY Audi Q4 e-tron quattro. Both are great cars but have become too expensive and the range is a bit short. The cars which impressed me the most lately were the BMW iX 50 and the Kia EV9, and of course the excellent Tesla Model 3. I have not driven Ioniq6. I hear that it is great, but its design does not appeal to me. Buying a new EV these days is costly and prices fluctuate. I'd recommend buying a 1 year old car where the initial depreciation has been taken by someone else.
@@goodgame1794 Hi, yes, it is a standard Model 3 RWD, the Tesla Marketing people let me drive it for a few days. The tyres were fitted by Tesla for test purposes and are real winter tyres. Normally the Model 3 is delivered with summer tyres (details in the text below video).
@@morten_hannesbo as in Canada the model 3 RWD comes with the All season tires😢 so I don't know the All season tires are good in the snow condition like this or not?
As I live in southern Bavaria, I struggle between the RWD and the FWD. Now, with the Swiss winter conditions and going up the mountains from time to time, would you consider the FWD next time or would you always buy the RWD again?
Thank you for watching! I think the RWD will handle pretty much everything, even winter driving in the mountains up to 7-8% steep roads provided you have good winter tyres. But if are willing to spend the extra money or you have to drive up and down the mountain like every day then I would choose the dual motor version.
PS The Model 3 RWD has a very useful slip start mode if you need to start moving again from a standstill on a steep road. Touch Controls > Pedals & Steering > Slip Start.
Really nice review, thanks! How do you like the black paint in general compared to black? Is the paint quality of non metalic black really that awful on Teslas?
Some of the earlier production units had poor paint quality. This specimen was pretty perfect, similar quality to e.g. a Ford or VW. I believe the Chinese produced cars are of excellent quality, with German production a close 2nd.
Thank you for watching and for your comments. Interior space and flexibility is much better in the Model Y, the quality of Model 3 is much better than Model Y. We get Model Y from Berlin factory and Model 3 from Shanghai.
How is it possible to have an average range of 330 km with an 18.2 kwh/100 km, in wintertime? I see that the speeds on the snowed roads are very slow. Is it a mistake?
Hi, the consumption in very cold winter conditions down to -10° C was 18.2 kWh over 238 km including mountain driving. The full test over 715 km showad an avg. consumption of 17 kWh/100 km. See summary 11m00s in the video.
I started at 23% SoC with 70-74kw, then slowly it increased to 93-94 kW. The car was warm and preheated for 45 mins. The charger was a 150 kW V2 Supercharger. It does not charge that bad but Audi Q8 e-tron, Ionic5, BMW iX et al are much faster.
Ah yes, so a slow start. I would have expected better! The cars you mention are not comparable since they have a lot lower efficiency and much larger battery. Battery size and charging speed (in kW) are directly related! You could measure charging speed in km/h. E.g. How much range per hour does it charge. This is a much more fair / equal comparison.
@@SideQuestStijn Thank you, yes you are right. When testing I use my daily drive to work and try to test a car over 900-1000 km, I then compare the consumption kWh/100 km irrespective of weather conditions. I park in a heated garage both at home and at work. It is not a scientific test but reflects what consumers will experience. I generally make charging tests 10-80% which compensates for battery size. The long range Lithium-ion versions charge much faster than the standard range LFP battery. Comparing to e.g. Q4 e-tron or Mustang Mach e, the LFP is pretty competitive.
Hey there! So based on this video, at around -10 degrees, I should expect about 300 km range, right? Or is it more? Could you also share some details on what was your speed? Thank you!
Hi! I'm from Canton Ticino!❤ i ll get my Model 3 on december 29. You wrote you use Pirelli sottozero 3 winter tyres. But are they the specific sottozero 3 for tesla car or just sottozero 3? What do u recommend??
They came with the car which the Tesla press department kindly lend to me. I'd assume the are specific for e-cars because of the higher weight compared to a petrol car. Enjoy your new Tesla👍
When entering as destination a SUC, Tesla will start preconditioning the battery accordingly so at the destination, you will have a full and ready-to-charge battery. Don't do it manually. You start the precondition too early so some heat is lost till you arrive at SUC and must reheated again. Try this next time.
Thx for watching🙏I entered the Tesla V2 charger in Altdorf 45 mins before I got there and pre-heating started as planned but at -6 C apparently it needs longer to charge. It is overall quite fine in everyday usage, but cars like Ionic 5 and Kia EV9 are much faster.
@@morten_hannesbo Thank you for sharing your experience with us. I can tell by far that you are a master in EV cars and we need more like you. We can do nothing for people who already have a Tesla, but we must spread our knowledge to all who want to buy a Tesla that is a much better option in Ioniq or Kia. We can save all, but at least a few. Surprisingly, I just watched a review, like yours, in which compared Tesla M3H and Ioniq5 and they said both are equal but Tesla takes the first place just because of better charging. They are completely wrong. I suspect that was paid by Tesla to say that. You can find the article here: 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 5 vs. Tesla Model Y: The Belle of Our Ball Meets the EV Sales Champ, by Jonny LiebermanWriterDarren MartinPhotographerSep 1, 2023 Is good to see that almost everybody shot Tesla. The company that forced the industry to move forward, the company that made a premium car at 43k sure must have something to hide and done something wrong. The often we say they are "good but not perfect" we change a bit the minds of future EV buyers to other brands who are totally better. There is no explanation for why people still buy Tesla cars!!! A big scam is here but soon, with your help and others, we will show to the world the true face of this car. Very good your article. Very intelligent writer and well documented. Bravo!
In those colder temps, even with preconditioning it won't get to full charging temps until it's been charging a bit. And as you mentioned with the percentage you were at you cannot reach the full speed. It also depends on the type of supercharger you were at. A V2 charger can get up to 150kwh but if there was a car charging next to you then you're limited to 75kwh. V3 and V4 can get up to 170kwh for the RWD I believe, and 250kwh for some other models of Tesla, but again, only when you're around 0-20% and then it slows more as your percentage gets higher. If Tesla can figure out how to get the charging curve flattened longer then that would be a huge milestone for them, as it would decrease charging times a good deal even at already fast chargers.
Hi, thank you for watching and thank you for your comments. I agree with your observations. I charged at a V2 charger (Max 150 kW) on this day. Two days earlier I charged at a V3 charger with slightly higher charging speed. Long story short, the LFP battery performance is similar to other manufacturers' performance, e.g. VW IDs or Audi Q4 e-tron - all of which could be vastly improved.
The VW Group cars are similar, except for those with 800 V technology, they charge faster. BMW / Mercedes charge faster, too. The Tesla LFP battery charging speed is actually fine in warmer weather but just "ok" in colder weather. My point is that Tesla promises 170 kW and actual is 100-115 kW in most cases. My Audi Q4 e-tron 50 is promised to charge at 135 kW and actual is 115-125 kW which I'd call a pass.
RWD is the cheaper version using LFP batteries. Hence, slow charging. If you want fast charging cough up more money for the NMC battery in the long range Model 3. You get what you pay for.
Pros and cons to both, LFP is more heat resistance and even though it being less energy dense, it provides substantially more charge/discharge cycles over its life span compared to NMC batteries. 👍
Agree. I was just mentioning that LFP has lower charging speeds than NMC. Navigate to supercharger feature might help precondition the battery for optimal charging.@@morten_hannesbo
@@filipbalas495 Björn is a legend! My full test of the Model 3 Highland will be uploaded in a few days and there I did a charging 10-80% SoC test without using the cabin AC and, yes, the charging was faster. But you know, if it is -3° outside and you sit in the car for 30-40 mins then you'll want to use the heating.
@@morten_hannesbo but when the Software has problems and you have to wait for an update, just set the wipers to the lowest setting (what we do). And you have to start the precondition earlier and then you get better charging speeds (25 minutes with downhill or slow speeds cannot do this). Greetings from Austria
Hi,i am from israel and i have the same car standart,i done already about 2500 kilometer and my everage is easy 130 wh/km ,the wearher here now great,25c, I can also say that 8f you drive with no accelarations and steady in the hifh way no more than 100 km/h with the autostearing cruse control you can get to 110 wh/km and less
im sureat a 250k charger the car would do better. also 350k (v4) chargers are being rolled out but they are very rare I would say less than 10 worldwide so far.
@@morten_hannesbo I have model 3 SR+ 2021 model with LFP battery living in Finland. You can get the max 170kw charging in any temperature. You just need to pre-condition the battery by navigating to a charging station. At -20 celcius temperature you need around 90 minutes of pre-heating to get max charging speed and of course low SoC.
I love Tesla and Elon Musk but the reality is the infrastructure is simply not ready, I would happily own a Tesla in the next 5 years but will always have an ICE car in the garage....
ha, saying 330km of range with mountain driving and in very cold weather is a stupid joke. Take any 6s @ 100kph 1.7ton car and please do tell me what is it's range is similar bad weather conditions. But then again such trips are rare, VERY RARE for the vast majority of drivers out there. Thus for that very rare occasion you go on a 500km road trip during very harsh winter, simply rent a diesel car. Really, once per year or per 5 years when you do happen to encounter such situation, leave the EV at home, It's smart to use the EV for literally 99.9999% of your needs and for that singular road trip in bad winter, rent a vehicle. You will save up so much more money during the lifetime of the EV that you could afford the rent for a week of a diesel suv to take you in the mountains
What a fantastic video! Well spoken and well edited without having unneeded filler. Thank you for sharing!
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Great review. Allow me to share some of my experience with M3 2021 RWD LFP after 40 000 km I have 2% degradation and it goes like this:
- I use always in cold weather Precondition at the start of a trip in the morning, afternoon, night
- I charge at home at 3 - 7 kw AC from 25 - 100%
- keep the limit at 100% when charging - even if you will STOP the charging after some time
- Charge until 100% once a week and if you can do it from 10% - 100% and using AC 11kw !!! This will calibrate the cells and you will not generate heat into battery
- I charge at DC fast-charger using 50 / 75 / 100 kw
- at supercharger I use only when I'm in a long trip and I use Precondition and level of charging between 15 - 90%
Keep in mind that "heat is the one that is killing the battery" therefore I'm happy to charge at DC@50,75,100 kw even if I lose more time
My car when it was new the battery had 52,8 kwh net capacity. Now after 2 years I have 51,8 kwh and at speed of constant 130 km/h on highway I managed to pool-out from the battery 51 kwh
The number of charging cycles is 185 and an LFP is rated (estimated) more than 1500 - 2500 cycles with low degradation.
Regards.
Thx, Adrian, great feedback. I charge at home 90% of the time with 11kW and it works perfectly. Long trips are rare for us and it is of course a luxury problem when one has to charge 15 mins longer in cold weather. My full in-depth test of the Model 3 Highland will be uploaded in a few days with more info. Overall the Model 3 is excellent.
You should avoid rapid charging, thats what kills your battery
@@ddtddt2165 NO, ITS TIME SPENT AT PEAK VOLTAGES, and high temperatures.
Research by INL, Recurrent, Geotab, the Dutch/Belgian Tesla battery database and Dr Dahn shows no difference in degradation between Supercharged and standard charged vehicles.
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@@ddtddt2165comments like this without a source is hard to take serious:)
@@curon_licentia youtube doesn't let links, or to be precise, youtube bots delete comments left and right with links , EVEN IF they are from youtube.
I know for a fact that all of my comments disappear shortly after..
So you can't mention any sources on this platform as a rule of thumb.
But secondly, if you need him to give you a source when what that user stated is common knowledge you can find on any serious review and in depth discussion by intelligent people regarding EV tech, you are the problem.
You are like the nay sayer that demands people prove him air exists because he can't feel it or touch it, therefore air is a lie.
Common sense after you researched a bit into the field lets you know both air is true and supercharging/rapid charging/fast charging have an extra effect on battery health .
You can find for yourself testimony for this fact from many sources.
as an american i have never seen a drive on train like that. and you stay in the car. wow
It is a great way to make a shortcut and avoid driving over the pass. The cost is approx $30 each way for a 15 min ride.
I was just about to comment the same thing. I wish I could just hop on a train in my car wtf 😂
@@r3x_delta30 Smile....trust me, in the alps you'll prefer this to driving around the mountain!
@@morten_hannesbo what when you have to poo or pee while on the train?
Open car window?
@@acc_rcng6962 😊🥴You don't...
The train ride is just 15-20 mins, so not a big issue
07:00 LFP battery is still not warm enough. NCMA batteries (LR) need about 1hour fast driving.. LFP even more. and LR has dual motor. 2x 6kW heating by bringing the rotos in some state where they generate loss / heat.
It is what it is, but compared to other brands it is annoying. It is very impractical to have to pre-heat for 60-90 minutes. I am sure this issue will be soon resolved.
@@morten_hannesbo Other brands have issues in winter too. That's are the technical limitations, the battery will always need some time in cold weather to heat up, this can't be solved with an update.
Thx, yes. In general the 800V-cars do much better, eg Hyundai Ionic or BMW iX. I was disappointed by the Tesla as it should do 110-115 kW at least after 90 mins driving and 45 mins preheating
@@morten_hannesbo If you don't preheat while driving, the heatpump will even suck heat out of the battery (in your case 90min long), so preheating is very important. :)
The Ioniq 5 and the BMW iX (the last one has not 800V architecture) also have different battery chemistry (NMC), those cells don't need to be heated that much like a LFP battery for charging - but on the other hand have their own downsides.
The old one did not have that just a smaller drop. But as you say it is what it is. Hopefully they update it in the future as they did before
That Swiss train trick just blew my mind... I've never heard about that!
The Swiss are crazy about their bridges and tunnels, they've spent billions on building a perfect transport infrastructure.
We have a 2022 model 3 LFP and live in QC Canada. Winter temperatures regularly go below -20c and the trick to obtain good charging speeds in cold weather is to precondition before every departure and always navigate to a Supercharger. We often travel 700km journeys in the winter, this requires 3 stops of approximately 20 minutes each 5% to 80% even below -20c.
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How’s been your experience so far with snowy conditions and the RWD with snow tires of course?
@@emiletabbakh Here's my philosophy regarding AWD or RWD. Yes AWD will allow you to accelerate faster in bad conditions, but in my experience this is only a minor benefit. With good winter tires we've never had any issues keeping up with traffic, city, rural roads, or highway, no issues. If Tesla made an LFP battery version of AWD vehicle, this is what I would get. IMO the best Model 3 and Y are the RWD because of the LFP battery. We're now over 1000,000 km and the GOM shows 416 km range instead of 428 km when new. And we Supercharge 40% of the time.
@@antoinepageau8336 So the battery life is still 97%. Great.
I don't understand this notation "We're now over 1000,000 km"
1 thousand?
Really great report. Watching just 2 videos made me to subscribe to your channel immediately.
It feels like coming to “professional place” - if UA-cam has more senior experts like you, Morten, only better 👍
Thank you for your kind comments - motivates me to make more videos !
Wow what a surprise that the auto wipers weren't working as expected...(they never do.)
This video was exactly what I needed! I've been trying to decide between the new LR and SR for so long. LR it is! :)
Thank you for watching, pleased you like the video. Do have a look at the other videos with the LR: 2024 Tesla Model 3 Long Range Highland
ua-cam.com/video/1kaChbXZY0E/v-deo.html
@@morten_hannesbo Already watched and liked all :D
Thanks.
Thanks for the information! I'm waiting for my RWD to arrive this month and, honestly, I am looking for people's experience with the car and all I see is the same thing in every video. Thankfully, I managed to find your video where you actually give more useful info from possible daily struggles.
Enjoy! Good choice
@@morten_hannesbo Thanks, mate! Will drive it Monday for the first time ^^
@@DanielGeorgievOfficialwe also have the RWD and got it 4 mos ago. We haven’t driven it or experienced it in the rain. Have you? And how does it handle in heavy rain? 🌧️ thanks in advance!
@@markanthony5719 I already passed 10 000 kilometres. Had the chance to drive in heavy rain and heavy fog. I can say it handles better than my old 2001 Mercedes w203, for sure. It's more stable on the road. Despite saying that! Be aware that if you step on that pedal in heavy rain, you're definitely gonna feel the back wheels "slip".
With that being said, I'm sure you're not going to regret it!
@@DanielGeorgievOfficial thank you! That’s awesome to hear! I also hear some people say they change the driving option to “Chill” mode so one is easier on the pedal. 😂😂😂
Completely agree with your criticism towards the wipers. The choice of relying solely on cameras for rain detection is probably going too far with the mantra of "no-part-is-a-good-part". Here in the dark Danish winters, the rain sensing/wiper speed is very dependent on ambient lights. Drive under a street lamp and the wipers go full tilt. Drive on rural roads without any other light sources and the almost refuse to do a wipe.. I have almost lost hope that they will ever improve.
Exactly.
I’ve almost completely stopped using cruise control or autopilot (except in perfect daylight conditions) since an update in 2022, that disabled the radar in my late 2019 Model 3. There was some phantom breaking, but very little before that. Tesla Vision is nervous, and when I can’t turn off the silly auto wipers it has become a poor experience.
I heard experts advised Elon to use a tried and trusted standard rain sensor, but of course he went for cameras… 🤦🏼♂️
Tesla owners in the USA with the FSD beta are saying that the wipers are much better now. Once it's perfected I'm sure that the update will roll out to all of us.
You have a manual override option for your wipers when you activate the wipers, if you know you are going on a trip you can also precondition the battery from your app for faster supercharging speeds.
this should be automatically recognized... The car should do such things for me as I don't care of the technics of supercharging my car... that is a huge bug !
@@bluepawn It literally does precondition itself.
You can manually control the wipers as soon as you push the button! It pops up on the bottom left of the screen whenever you push the button on the steering wheel. The auto is basically useless at the moment.
Thank you for your good review👍🏻. All details on point. My experience is also with AWD, two motors with heat power of 6KW each, you will not get max charge power under very cold conditions. The only way is to use preconditioning before departure at home. But that increases the total consumption but save charging time on the trip.
@@DrDuu Hi, thx for watching. I did pre-condition the battery yet the charging pace was still rather slow. Not a problem in everyday usage, though.
Nice! Probably the best piece of knowledge I got is to protect somehow the headrest on the seat to avoid leaving a grease spot (honestly).
Brilliant video - Thank you!
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Great video and very clear english speaking!
Thx! English with Danish accent...smile
That was really cool, especially driving onto the train.
@@Ohdearyme-x3d thx!
Great video, thank you!
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Thanks for the test from a Canadian, it’s kinda important to know how it drives in the snow here haha! 🍁 🏒
Thx🙏
Good video! You definitely could have made it home on one charge, but at 23% you cant expect super fast charging speeds. If you waited until 10% it would have charged faster. I feel like people pull up at any state of charge and say they are disappointed because its not faster, when its not supposed to charge faster in any conditions at 23% much faster than it did. Either way good video
thx👍
Excellent video as always
Thank you for watching!
I had a similar charging experience but after changing to another charging station it improved allot.
With the rwd lfp-battery the 45 min preheating might not be enough in cold weather. I have a similar car, MY -21 and when navigating to a supercharger it starts preheating the battery really early (sometimes 1,5-2 hours) before the eta. The heating takes longer with the rwd as there's only one motor to heat up the battery. When the car is able to preheat the battery as long as it needs it can reach over 100 kWh charging speed also in winter conditions. I have experience from this from driving in northern scandinavia in really cold weather. Thanks for the video!
Thank you for watching and thank you for your comments.
Great video!
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Try to look into the service mode to see real battery temp, as I did the same thing with mine and in 30 mins it didn't reach temp.
You really have to heat it up a lot for it to work properly (I saw you started with some dots on the recharge available, It means a lot for the car efficiency)
Thanks for your content!
Thankfully I live in Australia. We don't have a problem with the cold even in winter. I very rarely have to heat the battery to condition it. In summer the battery needs to be cooled not heated. I put an order in for the Highland RWD M3 essentially for the ventilated seats. The first thing Ill do is add sun shades to the glass roof. Very rarely use any heating even in winter. Definitely use the air con. Always get great range of course. The lowest temperatures in winter would be around (10 c or 50 f) at about 5am when Im fast asleep lol. Don't ever need to change tyres. What are winter tyres anyway?
Lovely country, and the weather is much better!
The tyres used in the test were Pirelli Sottozero 3 in the dimension 235/45 R18.
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Thanks. Excellent video ,informative and well presented
Thank you for your kind words and thank you for watching.
What was the SOC (state of charge) of the battery when you arrived to the Supercharger ?
And when people will learn that the range shown in the main screen IS NOT what the car will drive, but it’s the EPA/WLTP range ? Look next time in your Energy screen for the range you have given the driving conditions you face.
Teslas are on the road for 10 years, I am amazed by the lack of understanding of what the numbers shown on the screen are by some of the Tesla owners.
Hi Voldar 70, I arrived with 23% SoC and had pre-heated the battery for 45 mins. There were 6 Superchargers and only one other vehicle charging, I was the second car charging. The charging speed varied between 76 kW and 94 kW - I know others have experienced even slower charging in cold weather, so I guess it is ok. My private car is an Audi Q4 e-tron 50 and it charges even slower.
I have tested Model S Plaid, two different Model Y dual motor, the Model X dual motor and the Model 3 highland - I generally achieve the indicated WLTP or 95% of it, except if I travel up the mountain.
@@morten_hannesbo was the charger a V2 or V3 ? 75 kWh is pretty slow on a LFP battery unless it was power-sharing (it can happen even if only 2 are at the site, if both are adjacent) or the outside temperature was -15 or -10C. The fact that the charging power went up means the battery wasn’t warm enough or the guy near you left the charger. I know for a fact that it takes 25 minutes to bring a battery to the right temperature for the optimal charging speed (if preconditioning before charging was enabled). You said the preconditioning was 45 mins !! Something then was off.
As for WLTP range, yeah, maybe at the speeds you have there, you can achieve them. 80 km/h in average is about right for the WLTP range.
Unfortunately no one can see the duration of the trip/leg to have an idea of the real driving speed average. Maybe next time, when you add the information about the Wh/km used, you will also add the time needed to cover those km. It will give an insightful information to others about what to expect when driving in temperatures of about 0-1C and in -10C.
These were V2 150 kW Superchargers and only one other vehicle charging with 4 bays between us. I charged the Tesla Model 3 two days before at a V3 charger at 5° C and the speed was ca. 20 kW higher. The average speed was approx 70 km/h because of the poor weather with heavy rain at the beginning ad heavy snow for the rest.
Great review. Thanks. Given the car is new, I noticed that headrest already getting a spot. What do think about synthetic leather used for the seats?
Him Thank you for watching. I noticed this, too, but I just leave it as it is. That is the price you pay for being bald, smile. The Tesla vegan leather normally holds up really well, so I assume I can just wipe it off with a wet cloth or seat cleaner.
Thanks for sharing. Great video.
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Press the wiper button on the steering wheel and then immediately use the left scroll wheel on the steering wheel and press right to control the speed of the wiper. Easy
Yes, but if it is snowing or raining heavily and you drive through tunnels all the time it becomes a nuisance. It does not work well on Model 3.
Agree. We don't have any tunnels where I live so didn't think about that. @@morten_hannesbo 👍
@@morten_hannesbo What he means is that as soon as you press that button it pops up on the screen in the bottom left for manual control.
@@sheabrown Hi, thx. Yes, I know how this works. But it cannot be right that you need to override the system every two minutes and adjust between intermittent and constant all the time. Looking down to the bottom left of the screen at highway speed is even dangerous.
Does anyone know if the consumption takes into account the preconditioning? Or is it only the drive and the usage while driving ? Thanks
Yes it does. Preheating increases the consumption but much improves the charging speed. Tesla states the benefits are apparent when charging at freezing temperatures, below 0 Celsius. It's quite rare you'll be charging in those circumstances in most countries for the vast majority of the year. It absolutely makes a lot of difference at sub-zero temperatures, where you should try to pre-heat the car before driving at all, not just before charging.
@@morten_hannesbo thanks for your answer, to extend the question, the consumption stated and the number of kWh consumed for an X amount of kilometers, it takes everything into account ? Let's take the Since last charge, I enable Sentry mode sometimes, I preheat the cabin most of the time which consumes around 10% on one full charge (1, 2% in the mornings before work and after aswell). So does this take everything into account ? I am quite enable to match the data. Thanks in advance for your answer
@@yusufs.3797 Tesla’s trip consumption is driving only. No sentry, no preheating, no usage while parked.
Are they going to do a m 3 with 421 miles range RWD?
I doubt it.
I have 2022 rear drive in cold Canada .Love it ! Had you used navigation to go to the charger the car would have automatically started preconditioning much earlier than when you manually turned it on and your charging would have been faster.
@@FL-kh7iz I did use the pre-con and I set the destination approx 45 mins earlier but the cold temp apparently limits the car's ability to charge faster
LFP batteries still struggling with the colder weather it seems! Hopefully improves over time with some OTA updates
I doubt it
Many thanks
Hi. Great video. Thanks. I have the 2024 M3 RWD on reservation. My question is regarding regen braking. How does the car handle it on snowy roads? Does the car have the option to change the setting like in older model?
Hi, thank you for watching. There is an automatic setting for regeneration, whereby the regular braking system takes over. See also the full manual, pages 75/76.
www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/Owners_Manual.pdf
Here is what the Tesla user manual says:
Model 3 uses regenerative braking, the
brake pads are typically used less frequently than those
in traditional braking systems. To avoid the accumulation
of rust and corrosion, Tesla recommends frequently
pressing the brake pedal to apply the mechanical brakes
and dry the brake pads and rotors.
WARNING: In snowy or icy conditions, Model 3
may experience loss of traction during
regenerative braking.
WARNING: Never rely on your vehicle to
adequately decelerate or fully stop your vehicle.
Many factors can contribute to a longer stopping
distance, including downward slopes and reduced
or limited regenerative braking. Always be
prepared to use the brake pedal to adequately
decelerate or stop.
WARNING: Press the brake pedal if Model 3 moves
when unsafe to do so. It is your responsibility to
stay alert and be in control of the vehicle at all
times. Failure to do so can result in serious
damage, injury, or death.
WARNING: Do not rely on regenerative braking to
keep you and your vehicle safe. Various factors
such as driving with a heavy vehicle load, on a
steep hill, or on wet or icy roads affect
deceleration rate and the distance at which Model
3 will come to a stop. Drive attentively and always
stay prepared to use the brake pedal to stop as
appropriate based on traffic and road conditions.
Thanks
The temperature of the charging cable also impacts charging speed
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Very nice video 📷, I have a new EQB but in winter time the consumption is much higher than expected 😢
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Average consumption is 26,8 kWh, i think that is quite a lot. Winter time, and winter tires but speed was not very high, mostly in the city 🏙️.
@@Gordita-Galaxina The EQB is a great car, Mercedes ist just something special. Consumption in warmer temp will drop to 20-22 kWh
Yeah that consumption is massive. My Model Y rwd's average so far for winter is 18.6kw/h
some alerts are always on your tesla screen, what is that?
It was a press vehicle and the press team was logged in and not the driver.
Great vid, helps my decicsion. I would also like to ask hows the auto pilot in highway on the snow? Thanks
The autopilot (FSP) works surprisingly well in snow and rain, even when dark. Still not convinced of Tesla vision parking assist, though.
If I may say so, Wipers on tesla are terrible, they struggle to select the right wiper speed. I never had this issue with my previous cars.
X and S are ok, Y and 3 less so.
Thanks for the no nonsense video, found it informative, also it’s refreshing to see once in a while someone with ZH license plates driving safely ;).
Regards to charging, it may be that due to the LFP battery you won’t see much higher charging speeds.
Also, the lowest percentage you get, the highest charging speed and if you stop at 30 SOC it will be much slower than at 10-15 SOC especially if you give it more time to prepare the battery for supercharging.
Thx, yes, I agree with you. Thank you for your kind comments and thank you for watching.
The LFP can charge up to 170kW if the battery is warm enough. In cold weather it needs time to heat up the cells and the drive here was simply too short. On long distance travel if you charge after 2-3 hours of driving and the Supercharger-Stop is in the navigation system, the battery will be preheated and warm enough for 170kW even on very cold days. That's my experience after 3 years of Model 3 with LFP battery. ;)
Does the RWD normal range model has the unstuck function for snow / mud?
Yes, and it works really well!
Great video Sir ! Disappointed as well by the charging speed of the highland. Mine was able to peak at 170 or 150 and then dropped to 120 130. Not great but hopefully can increase that. Thanks
Doesn't show if it's a V2 or V3. I can see it's not a V4 based on the rear view mirror. He might also be sharing the charging speed with the car next to him if it's a V2. Too many unknown variables to 100% blame this on the car/software.
@@nielsvandenkieboom5034 it is the car, even a V4 with no cars around doesn't charge faster. I have the same issue
@@yusufs.3797 Odd, my LFP 2021 has no issues. Should be the same battery. Maybe not the same software.
Thx for watching. It was a V2 charger with max 150 kW charging at -3 C. A couple of days before I charged at a V3 charger at +5 C with marginal better speed.
@@nielsvandenkieboom5034 the speed I had max is 170 maybe 150 not sure but not more than that. How much peak speed do you've got ?
great video, intelligent and informative. one question please what are your favorite electric cars, preferrably ones that are avail in the US,ie the ioniq 6 thank you in advance
I own a 2021MY Porsche Taycan 4S and my wife drives a 2022MY Audi Q4 e-tron quattro. Both are great cars but have become too expensive and the range is a bit short.
The cars which impressed me the most lately were the BMW iX 50 and the Kia EV9, and of course the excellent Tesla Model 3. I have not driven Ioniq6. I hear that it is great, but its design does not appeal to me. Buying a new EV these days is costly and prices fluctuate. I'd recommend buying a 1 year old car where the initial depreciation has been taken by someone else.
Thank You !!@@morten_hannesbo
may I ask is this a normal model 3? and did you change the winter tires or just used the all season tires from this driving test?
@@goodgame1794 Hi, yes, it is a standard Model 3 RWD, the Tesla Marketing people let me drive it for a few days. The tyres were fitted by Tesla for test purposes and are real winter tyres. Normally the Model 3 is delivered with summer tyres (details in the text below video).
@@morten_hannesbo as in Canada the model 3 RWD comes with the All season tires😢 so I don't know the All season tires are good in the snow condition like this or not?
As I live in southern Bavaria, I struggle between the RWD and the FWD.
Now, with the Swiss winter conditions and going up the mountains from time to time, would you consider the FWD next time or would you always buy the RWD again?
Thank you for watching! I think the RWD will handle pretty much everything, even winter driving in the mountains up to 7-8% steep roads provided you have good winter tyres. But if are willing to spend the extra money or you have to drive up and down the mountain like every day then I would choose the dual motor version.
PS The Model 3 RWD has a very useful slip start mode if you need to start moving again from a standstill on a steep road. Touch Controls > Pedals & Steering > Slip Start.
@@morten_hannesbo many thanks 🙂
@@hallodidldu Gern geschehen.
you ca set the wiper on the screen to auto and. do all the work.. super impressive video tho.. good job
Yes, but the sensor does not work well on M3. Thx for your comment🙏
Super weird about the charging. I've charged my LFP Y at 170kw at -1 celsius.
I believe the batteries are from different manufacturers
Really nice review, thanks!
How do you like the black paint in general compared to black? Is the paint quality of non metalic black really that awful on Teslas?
Some of the earlier production units had poor paint quality. This specimen was pretty perfect, similar quality to e.g. a Ford or VW. I believe the Chinese produced cars are of excellent quality, with German production a close 2nd.
Great video, how do you compare the new model 3 vs Model Y LR ?
Thank you for watching and for your comments. Interior space and flexibility is much better in the Model Y, the quality of Model 3 is much better than Model Y. We get Model Y from Berlin factory and Model 3 from Shanghai.
How is it possible to have an average range of 330 km with an 18.2 kwh/100 km, in wintertime? I see that the speeds on the snowed roads are very slow.
Is it a mistake?
Hi, the consumption in very cold winter conditions down to -10° C was 18.2 kWh over 238 km including mountain driving. The full test over 715 km showad an avg. consumption of 17 kWh/100 km. See summary 11m00s in the video.
Was the charging super at a low State of charge? Because 94kW at 50% SoC is actually very good!
I started at 23% SoC with 70-74kw, then slowly it increased to 93-94 kW. The car was warm and preheated for 45 mins. The charger was a 150 kW V2 Supercharger. It does not charge that bad but Audi Q8 e-tron, Ionic5, BMW iX et al are much faster.
Ah yes, so a slow start. I would have expected better!
The cars you mention are not comparable since they have a lot lower efficiency and much larger battery.
Battery size and charging speed (in kW) are directly related!
You could measure charging speed in km/h. E.g. How much range per hour does it charge.
This is a much more fair / equal comparison.
Eg 100kW on a less efficient car that has an efficiency of 22kWh/100km might be 450km/h.
And 100kW on Model Y at 17kWh/100km might be 588km/h.
@@SideQuestStijn Thank you, yes you are right.
When testing I use my daily drive to work and try to test a car over 900-1000 km, I then compare the consumption kWh/100 km irrespective of weather conditions. I park in a heated garage both at home and at work. It is not a scientific test but reflects what consumers will experience. I generally make charging tests 10-80% which compensates for battery size. The long range Lithium-ion versions charge much faster than the standard range LFP battery. Comparing to e.g. Q4 e-tron or Mustang Mach e, the LFP is pretty competitive.
👍Thx for sharing. Still a good car, though
Hey there! So based on this video, at around -10 degrees, I should expect about 300 km range, right? Or is it more?
Could you also share some details on what was your speed?
Thank you!
Not more than 300 km...
PS Speed was 60-80 km/h because of heavy snow
You got it delivered with winter tyres? Waiting for mine over a month now. Absolute joke of a customer service.
Yes, the service can be a nuisance, the winter tyres are Pirelli Sottozero 3 and they are incredible
What was the capacity of the charger where you experienced slow charging?
Was it a Tesla supercharger or another type of charger?
Hi, it was a Tesla V2 supercharger
Great video. Got the same on order. What Winter Tyres did you have fitted?
Pirelli Sottozero 3
Hi! I'm from Canton Ticino!❤ i ll get my Model 3 on december 29. You wrote you use Pirelli sottozero 3 winter tyres. But are they the specific sottozero 3 for tesla car or just sottozero 3? What do u recommend??
They came with the car which the Tesla press department kindly lend to me. I'd assume the are specific for e-cars because of the higher weight compared to a petrol car. Enjoy your new Tesla👍
When entering as destination a SUC, Tesla will start preconditioning the battery accordingly so at the destination, you will have a full and ready-to-charge battery. Don't do it manually. You start the precondition too early so some heat is lost till you arrive at SUC and must reheated again. Try this next time.
Thx for watching🙏I entered the Tesla V2 charger in Altdorf 45 mins before I got there and pre-heating started as planned but at -6 C apparently it needs longer to charge. It is overall quite fine in everyday usage, but cars like Ionic 5 and Kia EV9 are much faster.
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Thank you for sharing your experience with us.
I can tell by far that you are a master in EV cars and we need more like you.
We can do nothing for people who already have a Tesla, but we must spread our knowledge to all who want to buy a Tesla that is a much better option in Ioniq or Kia. We can save all, but at least a few.
Surprisingly, I just watched a review, like yours, in which compared Tesla M3H and Ioniq5 and they said both are equal but Tesla takes the first place just because of better charging.
They are completely wrong. I suspect that was paid by Tesla to say that.
You can find the article here: 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 5 vs. Tesla Model Y: The Belle of Our Ball Meets the EV Sales Champ, by Jonny LiebermanWriterDarren MartinPhotographerSep 1, 2023
Is good to see that almost everybody shot Tesla. The company that forced the industry to move forward, the company that made a premium car at 43k sure must have something to hide and done something wrong.
The often we say they are "good but not perfect" we change a bit the minds of future EV buyers to other brands who are totally better.
There is no explanation for why people still buy Tesla cars!!!
A big scam is here but soon, with your help and others, we will show to the world the true face of this car.
Very good your article. Very intelligent writer and well documented.
Bravo!
@@morten_hannesbo
Top 10 most sold cars in Norway 2023
1. Tesla Model Y: 23 088
2. Volkswagen ID.4: 6 614*
3. Skoda Enyaq: 5 737
4. Toyota bZ4X: 5 395
5. Volvo XC40: 5 025
6. Ford Mustang Mach-E: 3 792
7. Toyota Yaris: 3 574**
8. Toyota RAV4: 3 457
9. Volkswagen ID.3: 3 141
10. Hyundai Kona electric: 2 991
* inkl. ID.4 GTX
** inkl. Toyota Yaris Cross
Seems like they still haven't fixed the issue with the wipers and forward distance sensing because the camera technology still isnt there yet...
Are you danish? Your accent sounds danish
oh yes🇨🇭🇩🇰
Top 10 most sold cars in Norway 2023
1. Tesla Model Y: 23 088
2. Volkswagen ID.4: 6 614*
3. Skoda Enyaq: 5 737
4. Toyota bZ4X: 5 395
5. Volvo XC40: 5 025
6. Ford Mustang Mach-E: 3 792
7. Toyota Yaris: 3 574**
8. Toyota RAV4: 3 457
9. Volkswagen ID.3: 3 141
10. Hyundai Kona electric: 2 991
* inkl. ID.4 GTX
** inkl. Toyota Yaris Cross
What train is this⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️ that’s a great idea
Furka Autoverlad. The Swiss have great ideas.
Tesla Y sr blades 250 km… from 100 to 5 percent is it good ?
I believe the Model Y SR has another battery and I have not been able to compare Model 3 with it.
In those colder temps, even with preconditioning it won't get to full charging temps until it's been charging a bit. And as you mentioned with the percentage you were at you cannot reach the full speed. It also depends on the type of supercharger you were at. A V2 charger can get up to 150kwh but if there was a car charging next to you then you're limited to 75kwh. V3 and V4 can get up to 170kwh for the RWD I believe, and 250kwh for some other models of Tesla, but again, only when you're around 0-20% and then it slows more as your percentage gets higher.
If Tesla can figure out how to get the charging curve flattened longer then that would be a huge milestone for them, as it would decrease charging times a good deal even at already fast chargers.
Hi, thank you for watching and thank you for your comments. I agree with your observations. I charged at a V2 charger (Max 150 kW) on this day. Two days earlier I charged at a V3 charger with slightly higher charging speed. Long story short, the LFP battery performance is similar to other manufacturers' performance, e.g. VW IDs or Audi Q4 e-tron - all of which could be vastly improved.
Compare other EVs charging in the cold? Can any other EV do better?
The VW Group cars are similar, except for those with 800 V technology, they charge faster. BMW / Mercedes charge faster, too.
The Tesla LFP battery charging speed is actually fine in warmer weather but just "ok" in colder weather. My point is that Tesla promises 170 kW and actual is 100-115 kW in most cases.
My Audi Q4 e-tron 50 is promised to charge at 135 kW and actual is 115-125 kW which I'd call a pass.
RWD is the cheaper version using LFP batteries. Hence, slow charging.
If you want fast charging cough up more money for the NMC battery in the long range Model 3.
You get what you pay for.
Pros and cons to both, LFP is more heat resistance and even though it being less energy dense, it provides substantially more charge/discharge cycles over its life span compared to NMC batteries. 👍
Sure, but if Tesla promises up to 170 kW charging speed it should perform better.
Agree. I was just mentioning that LFP has lower charging speeds than NMC.
Navigate to supercharger feature might help precondition the battery for optimal charging.@@morten_hannesbo
It tries to balance the consumption x cabin temperature x battery temperature. Could you please try again with cabin AC off? :D (Bjorn would..)
@@filipbalas495 Björn is a legend!
My full test of the Model 3 Highland will be uploaded in a few days and there I did a charging 10-80% SoC test without using the cabin AC and, yes, the charging was faster. But you know, if it is -3° outside and you sit in the car for 30-40 mins then you'll want to use the heating.
What brand are your tires?
Pirelli Sottozero 3
Perhaps it was the Charger and not the car not giving you faster time. Thank you from California
Yes and no..., it was a V2 charger, but disappointing nevertheless.
I believe your slow charging is because of battery being over 40%
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Why does nobody use the voicecommands to set the wipers manually. It is as easy as that.
Yes, you can do that, but the sensors should work in Auto mode when it rains cats and dogs😳
@@morten_hannesbo but when the Software has problems and you have to wait for an update, just set the wipers to the lowest setting (what we do).
And you have to start the precondition earlier and then you get better charging speeds (25 minutes with downhill or slow speeds cannot do this). Greetings from Austria
0:22 The trip computer doesn't promise anything.
2:00 same issue as usual.. wipers..camera based. welcome to tesla vision :)
yes...
Hi,i am from israel and i have the same car standart,i done already about 2500 kilometer and my everage is easy 130 wh/km ,the wearher here now great,25c,
I can also say that 8f you drive with no accelarations and steady in the hifh way no more than 100 km/h with the autostearing cruse control you can get to 110 wh/km and less
Much prefer your weather to what we have❄️❄️❄️
your charging depends upon the level of the charger your using. There is 4 levels of superchargers.
The slow charging was at Flüelen, the chargers there are max. 150 kW. The LFP battery just does not it like cold
im sureat a 250k charger the car would do better. also 350k (v4) chargers are being rolled out but they are very rare I would say less than 10 worldwide so far.
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I charged at a 250 kW Tesla Supercharger in slightly warmer conditions (+5° C) and the charging speed was up to 115 kW, including 20mins pre-heating.
@@morten_hannesbo I have model 3 SR+ 2021 model with LFP battery living in Finland. You can get the max 170kw charging in any temperature. You just need to pre-condition the battery by navigating to a charging station. At -20 celcius temperature you need around 90 minutes of pre-heating to get max charging speed and of course low SoC.
The working you did with all the big car companies ..... was that selling their vehicles from your 2nd hand stealership?
ehh, what?
I love Tesla and Elon Musk but the reality is the infrastructure is simply not ready, I would happily own a Tesla in the next 5 years but will always have an ICE car in the garage....
I guess it depends on the country. In Switzerland we have not big issues with the service infrastructure.
ha, saying 330km of range with mountain driving and in very cold weather is a stupid joke.
Take any 6s @ 100kph 1.7ton car and please do tell me what is it's range is similar bad weather conditions.
But then again such trips are rare, VERY RARE for the vast majority of drivers out there.
Thus for that very rare occasion you go on a 500km road trip during very harsh winter, simply rent a diesel car. Really, once per year or per 5 years when you do happen to encounter such situation, leave the EV at home,
It's smart to use the EV for literally 99.9999% of your needs and for that singular road trip in bad winter, rent a vehicle. You will save up so much more money during the lifetime of the EV that you could afford the rent for a week of a diesel suv to take you in the mountains
You should educatie yourself about charging and electricity in general before making reviews.....
Hi, thx, what exactly do you mean by that?