Charles Tournemire wordt hier op volledig juiste manier gespeeld. Groot compliment voor Jean-Baptiste Robin die het machtige Van den Heuvel - orgel met wonderbaarlijke souplesse bespeelt. Merci bien!
Thanks for your response. I write as a one-time organ student who was constantly frustrated by the difficulties of changing registrations while playing unaided on pipe organs - way before electronically controlled combination setting was available. I get round the problem these days by focusing on extemporisation for voluntaries in church services, where I fit the music to the sounds available, and can adapt it to the mechanics of changing registration!
Tournemire is every bit as great as Bach (and I love Bach). His 7 symphonies, tone poems, L'orgur Mystique and other works have not yet received their due homage. But they will. This is a great performance of the improvisation. It's also worth listening to the original of Tournemire improvising.
I enjoyed this video. I was impressed that he played this without music, and also without the apparent aid of a registrant. I assume he used a set of preprogrammed combinations operated by foot pistons, as I couldn't spot him changing stops with his hands.
@jnetusil Be that as it may, this is my favorite interpretation of this piece. There may be many different ways of interpreting this piece, but I think this is the best, even better than Tournemire's own original improvistion itself.
I played many C.Coll, Rouen and St. Sulpice also. And of course I played a lot of modern organs too. Usually modern organs are stronger than Cavaillé-Coll. But Cavaillé-Coll are far far better as sound quality, balance, and all.. (for me) The power is not only decibels! but especially balance between stops and harmonization, and Cavaillé-Coll was a genious. His organs are always perfectly balanced for the church where they are, never too loud
What are you talking about? Modern organs are stronger than a CC? They are maybe louder because of the chamades, but I bet there's no modern organ to compete with Cavaillé-Coll's reeds. I will visit Paris next year - I will hear St Eustache and St Sulpice and tell you afterwards which organ was stronger!
@poopingeneral You may be close, but probably closer to 110 to 120. Notre Dame is around 140, and that is loud. These organs are loud. They were built to be, but the difference is in the balance. They are not a loud "noise" but rather a well balanced fullness. There is a difference and what most newer instruments miss altogether. They turn out very harsh and unpleasant to the ear.
@jv04jm I have yet to get a response to this question. I suspect though, both organs can pump out around 120-130 db's at there max. They both don't compare though to the Midmer Losh organ in New Jersey.
@nunocarmona - small modifications?! All that remained of C-C's organ by the time Messiaen was done with it was the pipework and the case - the chests and soundboards were all replaced AFAIK, the action and console were completely replaced... it is a masterpiece nevertheless, but a slightly-modified C-C it is not. If only the S. Clothilde organ had been treated as sympathetically - instead of which it was revoiced to hell.
AnOrganCornucopia no, There is an article in a German magazine from years ago - I need to look it up, I think the author was Rudolf Walther - in which he gives a detailed account of the 1960s rebuild of the La Trinité organ. No chests were replaced - though two small ones were added due to the enlargement of the Positif and Récit divisions. And Messiaen specified that none of the original pipes would be revoiced at all. Yes, the console was replaced and the action electrified.
As for Sainte-Clotilde: when Tournemire had the organ rebuilt in 1933, he had the wind-pressure of the Positif lowered. Also, 10 stops and a Récit Barker lever were added, all of which of course demanded more wind, though nothing was done to accomodate that need. A new console was installed, but still with mechanical action. Tournemire had insisted that the Récit stops not be changed at all, and was upset when they sounded so different just because the swellbox had been enlarged to accomodate the additional stops. The 1962 rebuild under Langlais included the new electric action console, as well as some additional stops as well as replacements. In one of these rebuilds some harmonic flutes were cut down to normal length. I really don’t think much actual revoicing took place in either rebuild; rather, I think the overall sound changed due to insufficiency in wind. I gather that lack was finally addressed in the subsequent Dargassies rebuild.
@polsterj - I can think of three organbuilders in the UK (J.W. Walker, Matthew Copley and the Willis firm) who really can voice reeds as well as Cavaillé-Coll. IMO Manders are too mild, Harrisons' too fat and smooth... VdHs I tend to find just a bit harsh, not quite the equal of a C-C in quality, and this beast is my least favourite VdH. Fisk in the USA are pretty damn close to C-C, though.
Grandiose , sur cet orgue magnifique de St Eustache
Charles Tournemire wordt hier op volledig juiste manier gespeeld.
Groot compliment voor Jean-Baptiste Robin die het machtige Van den Heuvel - orgel met wonderbaarlijke souplesse bespeelt.
Merci bien!
Sono rimasto a bocca aperta!!! Fantastica esecuzione e l'organo è davvero qualcosa di sensazionale, sublime!
Somptueux !
Thank you Jean-Baptiste. I so love this music.
tout, tout est splendide: la musique, l'orgue et évidemment l'organiste. Bravo!
Thank You. Tournemire's music is brilliant!
I love this and I love Tournemire's music including his Te Deum improvisation! Fantastic!!!
Thanks for your response. I write as a one-time organ student who was constantly frustrated by the difficulties of changing registrations while playing unaided on pipe organs - way before electronically controlled combination setting was available. I get round the problem these days by focusing on extemporisation for voluntaries in church services, where I fit the music to the sounds available, and can adapt it to the mechanics of changing registration!
Wonderful burst opening. Very expressive piece played well.
Beautiful
Tournemire is every bit as great as Bach (and I love Bach). His 7 symphonies, tone poems, L'orgur Mystique and other works have not yet received their due homage. But they will. This is a great performance of the improvisation. It's also worth listening to the original of Tournemire improvising.
Wonderful!!!
Beautiful.
Sublime!!!.
amazing
Grandioos!
I enjoyed this video. I was impressed that he played this without music, and also without the apparent aid of a registrant. I assume he used a set of preprogrammed combinations operated by foot pistons, as I couldn't spot him changing stops with his hands.
@jnetusil Be that as it may, this is my favorite interpretation of this piece. There may be many different ways of interpreting this piece, but I think this is the best, even better than Tournemire's own original improvistion itself.
I played many C.Coll, Rouen and St. Sulpice also. And of course I played a lot of modern organs too. Usually modern organs are stronger than Cavaillé-Coll. But Cavaillé-Coll are far far better as sound quality, balance, and all.. (for me)
The power is not only decibels! but especially balance between stops and harmonization, and Cavaillé-Coll was a genious. His organs are always perfectly balanced for the church where they are, never too loud
@jnetusil: Please upload some of your organ playing, so we can check if you always follow the editor's guidelines.
WOW
What are you talking about? Modern organs are stronger than a CC? They are maybe louder because of the chamades, but I bet there's no modern organ to compete with Cavaillé-Coll's reeds.
I will visit Paris next year - I will hear St Eustache and St Sulpice and tell you afterwards which organ was stronger!
@poopingeneral You may be close, but probably closer to 110 to 120. Notre Dame is around 140, and that is loud. These organs are loud. They were built to be, but the difference is in the balance. They are not a loud "noise" but rather a well balanced fullness. There is a difference and what most newer instruments miss altogether. They turn out very harsh and unpleasant to the ear.
@lorbo77; how many decibels can St. Ouen, and St. Eustache create at there max volume?
@jv04jm I have yet to get a response to this question. I suspect though, both organs can pump out around 120-130 db's at there max. They both don't compare though to the Midmer Losh organ in New Jersey.
Too bad Midmer Losh's sound awful...
@poopingeneral Interesting question! You ever received an answer to this yet?
@nunocarmona - small modifications?! All that remained of C-C's organ by the time Messiaen was done with it was the pipework and the case - the chests and soundboards were all replaced AFAIK, the action and console were completely replaced... it is a masterpiece nevertheless, but a slightly-modified C-C it is not. If only the S. Clothilde organ had been treated as sympathetically - instead of which it was revoiced to hell.
AnOrganCornucopia no,
There is an article in a German magazine from years ago - I need to look it up, I think the author was Rudolf Walther - in which he gives a detailed account of the 1960s rebuild of the La Trinité organ. No chests were replaced - though two small ones were added due to the enlargement of the Positif and Récit divisions. And Messiaen specified that none of the original pipes would be revoiced at all. Yes, the console was replaced and the action electrified.
As for Sainte-Clotilde: when Tournemire had the organ rebuilt in 1933, he had the wind-pressure of the Positif lowered. Also, 10 stops and a Récit Barker lever were added, all of which of course demanded more wind, though nothing was done to accomodate that need. A new console was installed, but still with mechanical action. Tournemire had insisted that the Récit stops not be changed at all, and was upset when they sounded so different just because the swellbox had been enlarged to accomodate the additional stops. The 1962 rebuild under Langlais included the new electric action console, as well as some additional stops as well as replacements. In one of these rebuilds some harmonic flutes were cut down to normal length. I really don’t think much actual revoicing took place in either rebuild; rather, I think the overall sound changed due to insufficiency in wind. I gather that lack was finally addressed in the subsequent Dargassies rebuild.
@polsterj - I can think of three organbuilders in the UK (J.W. Walker, Matthew Copley and the Willis firm) who really can voice reeds as well as Cavaillé-Coll. IMO Manders are too mild, Harrisons' too fat and smooth... VdHs I tend to find just a bit harsh, not quite the equal of a C-C in quality, and this beast is my least favourite VdH. Fisk in the USA are pretty damn close to C-C, though.
@ThirtyTwoFoot - though the Haverstock Hill Willis is immensely more musical, and lacks neither power, richness nor grandeur!