Thanks for the video. We been there several times. Can't go anymore due to old age & health problems. But, thanks to you , we can still enjoy the desert! Thank you, Mr Chigg!
Maybe the chicken wire was to hold what ever they used to camoufage the positioms. You know, grass or what was available.. Edit: apparently Mr. Chigg figured the same. Never should comment mid video🙃
Me being a retired soldier myself, I think I can help. You said they had live fire exercises there. I'd say the small foxholes with the chicken wire were 13F, Joint Fire Support Specialist observation positions (OPs). Their job is to observe and report enemy movements, troop strengths, positions and other valuable information and call for artillery fire on those forces. The chicken wire was most likely used to hold natural vegetation on the (hide) for concealment.
That's right. The less targets spotted and destroyed helps give your side the win in the war games. Looks like they didn't do so well with the target spotting and destroying somehow.
Chigg good day from England ,the chicken wire was probably used to place the rocks together as they put chicken wire similar on river banks to stop the banks falling in the river like they also use heavy wire to keep cliffs from falling, my father was in North Africa in bomber command Lancashire quadron posted Alexander Bay Egypt to fight rommel German tank command
I helped open Camp Irwin to Fort Irwin in 1981 as an infantryman. We road marched tanks from railhead in Barstow 40 miles to the camp. We also trained down to 29 palms and in that area. Patton did training at Irwin too. Great desert moments.
Loving your videos chig!! You have a way of making it feel like we are sharing the adventure with you in the moment,a day is not the same unless I watch one of your videos.. thanks 👍😊
Hey ...was hatched that year...! Eating Walmart Ice cream ,watching you video. But time to get some chores done . Thanks for the video....great history...!
Boy, that looked hot and dry! I'm surprised the EPA hasn't gone out there and ripped out that animal death trap barbed wire ... it's just a dangerous tangle for anything near it. Thanks for the trip, Chigg! Be safe out there! - Muddypaw 🐾
It looks like the mine fuse was near the little divots in the pavement? I was a combat engineer in the Army (long ago). I would say those divots were most likely made by buried mines. Those fuses were long obsolete by the time I joined in 1989. Great video!
2:10 considering it's an exercise area, they were probably lax with what's actually done on account of it being difficult to dig in that terrain. There's a few pictures online with training camps in different areas where they have ration boxes as fortifications (tho, caveat, it's unclear if that's an actual training ground or just some soldiers fooling around for a picture).
Aloha Chigg, De-pop never stops, 13:40;16:50; 22 big time. Remember training and barb wire at night. Just can't push through it. Thanks for the companionship!
I was happy to see you were wearing your snake gaiters. It's always nice to go for a walk with you in the desert as you point out a bit of the unusual.
The chicken wire was used for keeping the rocks collapsing on soldiers. They would lay out wire flat then stack rocks on top for barrier then tightly fold and wrap wire then tie wire together.
Not uncommon to cover the front of your fighting hole with a section of chicken wire and weave bits of brush / weeds and sometimes bits of burlap sandbag into the wire to create a "camo screen " to help hide your position. Really neat that the wire is still there after all this time.
My military daughter says she thinks the cans with the multiple holes in them were coffee stoves. She said they couldn’t have open flames so they used those.
The circle scratch marks are from detecting. Either some one detecting for gold nuggets, or coin shooting/ relic poachers. I believe they are too modern of scratch marks to be military detecting by the looks of them also look to be shallow ( boot scrapes ) most likely detecting with a VLF machine. Just my 2 cents on the scratch marks, great video and enjoy watching your desert trips. Maybe one day we cross paths in the Mojave. Take care and keep up the great content!
Happy Thanksgiving Chigg! I was thinking maybe the chicken wire enabled them to break off sage branches and stick them into it to better conceal their positions? Just a guess.
South of where you were are several sets of WWI type fighting trenches. Yes, the mine fuse has been pushed in causing smoke to be discharged. I donated 8 whole Coca-Cola bottles found there to the desert history museum at Goffs. They were all 1940's dated.
@Aquachigger the four cans in the ground, I can’t tell why there in the ground like that but I can tell why there’s so many holes in the top…..the front 3,4 an 5 was how many cups it was being poured into so 3,4 an 5 men, the back one as you know being for air while pouring.
Glad to see you wearing those gaiters. Maybe they made a rock emplacement instead of using the naturally existing rock, simply because the exercise required building an emplacement with loose rocks.
I think one reason for the shallow fighting positions was that they were in a training mindset of “playing” war and not under the danger of actually being in war. I’m sure those fighting positions got a lot better after their baptism of fire by German artillery in North Africa.
Thanks Chigg - just love these videos. Have you ever been or near Beatty, Nev and gone to the racetrack. Where the rocks go around and around all by themselves? The Mojave Dessert has some really interesting places out there. I’ve seen about 98% of your videos. Love all. Hope you and your wife have a very Happy Thanksgiving.
Very interesting! I had an uncle who had been a medic in North Africa during WW2. If I'm remembering right from what my dad told me, his brother later went on up into Italy. I can't ask my dad now if his brother had been where you were in this video now. He passed away this past summer.
Would the chicken wire be used as camouflage? If you had local bush branches woven through the wire and pulled across the positions so that they would be difficult to see from aircraft
Nice to see you back at Pallen Pass. There's a lot of WW2 stuff out there in the surrounding desert, also old mining gear. It's harsh, but a beautiful place. Did you drive in and out on the East side? The road out to the West gets pretty gnarly.
I imagine the chicken wire is where they would cut brush and stick it through the wire to provide concealment. The brush would have not lived long but the position would not have been occupied for long either.
I think they were defensive positions much like what's done today. Hide until the .50 opens up and move out. Advance until you can't and dig in. Run wire and wait.
Never forget the first time I wore snake proof boots that came up to my knee, I was walking and jumped a ditch and landing right beside a big rattle snake and he went right for my leg and bite right into my boot! I had to shoot it but I never went without them again and that’s been over 20 years ago!
A return to Palen Pass. I hope you enjoy this hike and history.
You weren't lying about videos every day!
Happy Thanksgiving chigg
Nice sharing Vidio 🇮🇩⚒️⛏️👍👍
Do you think the chicken wire was used fir foliage for camo
Thanks for the video. We been there several times. Can't go anymore due to old age & health problems. But, thanks to you , we can still enjoy the desert! Thank you, Mr Chigg!
You really have THE BEST theme song. I find myself singing it sometimes. They really did a great job with it.
Maybe the chicken wire was to hold what ever they used to camoufage the positioms. You know, grass or what was available..
Edit: apparently Mr. Chigg figured the same.
Never should comment mid video🙃
I thought the same, to hold brush and vegetation. And then Beau solved it.
Thanks!
I really appreciate the donation. It all goes into my video fund to help pay for gas and supplies. You have been so very generous.
Thanks, Beau. I appreciate your sharing your walk through the desert and educating us at the same time.
Thanks so much. I'm happy to know you enjoy my videos!
Me being a retired soldier myself, I think I can help. You said they had live fire exercises there. I'd say the small foxholes with the chicken wire were 13F, Joint Fire Support Specialist observation positions (OPs). Their job is to observe and report enemy movements, troop strengths, positions and other valuable information and call for artillery fire on those forces. The chicken wire was most likely used to hold natural vegetation on the (hide) for concealment.
That's right. The less targets spotted and destroyed helps give your side the win in the war games. Looks like they didn't do so well with the target spotting and destroying somehow.
I love your desert content !!
Happy Thanksgiving Beau !!!; )
Chigg good day from England ,the chicken wire was probably used to place the rocks together as they put chicken wire similar on river banks to stop the banks falling in the river like they also use heavy wire to keep cliffs from falling, my father was in North Africa in bomber command Lancashire quadron posted Alexander Bay Egypt to fight rommel German tank command
I helped open Camp Irwin to Fort Irwin in 1981 as an infantryman. We road marched tanks from railhead in Barstow 40 miles to the camp. We also trained down to 29 palms and in that area. Patton did training at Irwin too. Great desert moments.
Thank you for taking us along! Enjoy every minute!! Happy Thanksgiving to you and Lindsey and all the fur babies!! Love you guys ❤
Enjoyed watching. Thanks for the videos.Happy Thanksgiving!
Thank you for the history lesson, Chigg!❤
Loving your videos chig!! You have a way of making it feel like we are sharing the adventure with you in the moment,a day is not the same unless I watch one of your videos.. thanks 👍😊
Thankful for your shared adventures El Chiggo
Hey ...was hatched that year...! Eating Walmart Ice cream ,watching you video. But time to get some chores done . Thanks for the video....great history...!
It would have been amazing to see Patton out there kicking butts and teaching our boys the facts of war.
Thank You for the Adventure Chigg!
Boy, that looked hot and dry! I'm surprised the EPA hasn't gone out there and ripped out that animal death trap barbed wire ... it's just a dangerous tangle for anything near it. Thanks for the trip, Chigg! Be safe out there! - Muddypaw 🐾
Training area.. beautiful sharing Vidio... always succses friend.. God Bless You.. greeting from Indonesian traditonal gold prospecting 🇮🇩💎🙏⚒️⛏️👍👍
It looks like the mine fuse was near the little divots in the pavement? I was a combat engineer in the Army (long ago). I would say those divots were most likely made by buried mines. Those fuses were long obsolete by the time I joined in 1989. Great video!
Thanks for sharing!!!!!
2:10 considering it's an exercise area, they were probably lax with what's actually done on account of it being difficult to dig in that terrain. There's a few pictures online with training camps in different areas where they have ration boxes as fortifications (tho, caveat, it's unclear if that's an actual training ground or just some soldiers fooling around for a picture).
Great hike🌹
Very interesting. So cool to see all that!
Happy thanksgiving everyone
Aloha Chigg, De-pop never stops, 13:40;16:50; 22 big time. Remember training and barb wire at night. Just can't push through it. Thanks for the companionship!
16:20 yup mines
Very interesting - I'd have thought the chicken wire was for cammo,,, Keep safe!
I was happy to see you were wearing your snake gaiters. It's always nice to go for a walk with you in the desert as you point out a bit of the unusual.
Yeah. Fencing wire like that was probably used to gather foliage for camouflaging areas with scrub bushes, twigs, etc to offer some extra cover.
Love your videos ❤❤❤
Good stuff chigg
Love watching this while i have snow on the ground
Very interesting. Thanks for the tour.
Great video chig
The chicken wire was used for keeping the rocks collapsing on soldiers. They would lay out wire flat then stack rocks on top for barrier then tightly fold and wrap wire then tie wire together.
Hey Chig, the chicken wire was used to help camouflage equipment and positions, especially from the air
That was a pretty good walk ...alot of amazing scenery and history 👍thanks and...Happy Thanksgiving 💥👋🏜
Not uncommon to cover the front of your fighting hole with a section of chicken wire and weave bits of brush / weeds and sometimes bits of burlap sandbag into the wire to create a "camo screen " to help hide your position. Really neat that the wire is still there after all this time.
My military daughter says she thinks the cans with the multiple holes in them were coffee stoves. She said they couldn’t have open flames so they used those.
Hey,Chigg thanks again for the History lesson and adventure,Happy Thanksgiving to you hope you catch a big snake to eat,Cheers!lol
The wind on the mic sounds like live fire in the background. Interesting
Good afternoon from Southeast South Dakota
I live near where you are exploring, there are many other things out there that I've found from Pattons time there. Would be a hoot to run into you 😊
The chicken wire at the foxholes would be used to stick sprigs of brush into to help with concealment.
About 2 or 3 videos back you showed and talked about the swirly robb/screwed into the ground used to hold up the Bob wire.
Chigg that chicken wire could have been used to hold camouflage in place.. cool video
Well after watching I see you figured it out too.
That's exactly what is was for
The circle scratch marks are from detecting. Either some one detecting for gold nuggets, or coin shooting/ relic poachers. I believe they are too modern of scratch marks to be military detecting by the looks of them also look to be shallow ( boot scrapes ) most likely detecting with a VLF machine. Just my 2 cents on the scratch marks, great video and enjoy watching your desert trips. Maybe one day we cross paths in the Mojave.
Take care and keep up the great content!
Happy Thanksgiving
Happy Thanksgiving Chigg! I was thinking maybe the chicken wire enabled them to break off sage branches and stick them into it to better conceal their positions? Just a guess.
South of where you were are several sets of WWI type fighting trenches. Yes, the mine fuse has been pushed in causing smoke to be discharged. I donated 8 whole Coca-Cola bottles found there to the desert history museum at Goffs. They were all 1940's dated.
I enjoyed it Chig. You are good at what you do buddy. (Entertain & Educate us.) Rk.
Chigg you make good videos, have a happy Thanksgiving
@Aquachigger the four cans in the ground, I can’t tell why there in the ground like that but I can tell why there’s so many holes in the top…..the front 3,4 an 5 was how many cups it was being poured into so 3,4 an 5 men, the back one as you know being for air while pouring.
The potholes in the desert pavement is from nugget hunters or when they buried those training mines. Looks exactly like the gold fields.
I can’t unsee Chigg walking out of the maelstrom of live fire looking like Yosemite Sam, swinging a metal detector.
The chicken wire was used weave brush and grass into it to help the concealment of the fireing position for the troops.
Well my previous post said exactly what you just said!
Glad to see you wearing those gaiters. Maybe they made a rock emplacement instead of using the naturally existing rock, simply because the exercise required building an emplacement with loose rocks.
When i was a kid we would cook on the bottom of cans and put several hole for ventilation
My Dad was there in 1942. 338th IR, Custer Division.
Howdy chigg,
Could you do some metal detecting on the orgian trail . Or other wagon train trails
I think one reason for the shallow fighting positions was that they were in a training mindset of “playing” war and not under the danger of actually being in war. I’m sure those fighting positions got a lot better after their baptism of fire by German artillery in North Africa.
Thanks Chigg - just love these videos. Have you ever been or near Beatty, Nev and gone to the racetrack. Where the rocks go around and around all by themselves? The Mojave Dessert has some really interesting places out there. I’ve seen about 98% of your videos. Love all. Hope you and your wife have a very Happy Thanksgiving.
that chicken wire is for camouflage think netting on your helmet you could jam limbs from shrubs easly and they would hold and stay up right
Very interesting! I had an uncle who had been a medic in North Africa during WW2. If I'm remembering right from what my dad told me, his brother later went on up into Italy. I can't ask my dad now if his brother had been where you were in this video now. He passed away this past summer.
The spots on the desert pavement may have been where dumby bombs from planes hit the ground. Cleaned away since.
Happy Thanksgiving!
Chicken wire possibly to hold the loose rocks in place to form the bunker walls?
12:27 - Lots of weird things out here in the desert........says the Chiggster 🤣🤣
Those larger positions were probably mortar pits
MOAR!!... 🪛🙃
Is it possible the chicken wire was to hold up some sort of camouflage? Like a tarp over top of the man in the structure.
Happy Thanksgiving 🇺🇲👍
Would the chicken wire be used as camouflage? If you had local bush branches woven through the wire and pulled across the positions so that they would be difficult to see from aircraft
I think the chicken wire was to put maybe Sagebrush in it for camouflage
the chicken wire was used to weave brush and leaves to give camouflage to hide their position
Chiggers you have to make video of the night 🦂. If you're still out west.
Nice to see you back at Pallen Pass. There's a lot of WW2 stuff out there in the surrounding desert, also old mining gear. It's harsh, but a beautiful place.
Did you drive in and out on the East side? The road out to the West gets pretty gnarly.
I wonder how many critters get caught in that abandoned barb wire.
maybe the chicken wire helped to give more concealment with putting cactus or whatever they could cover up with.
Is that out in the Bouse, Parker, Quartzite tringle?
I imagine the chicken wire is where they would cut brush and stick it through the wire to provide concealment. The brush would have not lived long but the position would not have been occupied for long either.
Wow! Chemtrails turning into full clouds during your video!
I think they were defensive positions much like what's done today. Hide until the .50 opens up and move out. Advance until you can't and dig in. Run wire and wait.
Maybe they used the wire to attach different vegetation to for camouflage
id love to take my rc rock crawler out there it looks beautiful
All the ration tins made me think of an aquachig and steveMRE crossover
What about the critters getting stuck in the barbed wire?😐
maybe the chicken wire was to secure foliage for concealment?
that set up of ration cans looks like bait to me.
btw the barbed wire posts are known as "pigtails".
always cool to see these old ww2 training areas.
Chicken wire was to put brush n sticks in for camouflage for their positions..
I wonder if they used chicken wire to stick brush in it to give them a little more camo.
Does the 50 year rule apply to coins? Nuggets? A $100 bill printed in 1934?
is wire is for some kind roof or cover
maybe they used the chicken wire to hold the camouflage/foliage over the position ?
Maybe the chicken wire was used for Camo purposes, threaded w sagebrush. Haha watched the video crafter my comment and chugged figured it out. 😮
Never forget the first time I wore snake proof boots that came up to my knee, I was walking and jumped a ditch and landing right beside a big rattle snake and he went right for my leg and bite right into my boot! I had to shoot it but I never went without them again and that’s been over 20 years ago!
Maybe they put like branches and stuff for camo?